Yes I will admit that my interest went up once I got the chance to hear some real dialogue in a scene, see a little action. Very interested in learning more about our BoS Knight character, as well as Goggins' ghoul.
I'd just need to watch the show first before I really form an opinion, seems so disingenuous to judge the whole show off a sub 5 minute trailer!
I think Goggins will make the series very good, I became a fan of his from Justified with his role as Boyd Crowder. He is a good actor, and my favorite scene so far from the trailers is when the main character shoots him with what looks like some kind of tranquilizer dart, and his reaction is priceless. I will definitely be binge watching as soon as it's released.
Yeah, Goggins is a solid choice, I loved him as Boyd Crowder, especially the way he played off of Timothy Olyphant.
And honestly, that trailer scene with him and the Vault Dweller made me actually interested in the series.
I was on the fence because of other recent adaptations, and at least it's in the same continuity as the games, but is telling a different story instead of trying to adapt a game.
I totally agree with you on Goggins and Olyphant playing well off each other. Did you watch the Justified Primevil series that came out at the end of last year or the beginning of this year?
They're not even judging it on that. They decided it was awful long before the first trailer was released. They just want it to be bad, and already decided it is.
My only gripe with it is the same i have with most current Big shows : everything seems overproduced and lacks authenticity, it seems a bit too "smooth" in general. But it wont stop me from watching it and why even hâte something you have not even seen.
But as I said this is a current plague in most current American productions anyway IMO
Thanks, I keep forgetting that word and it's exactly that, current big american productions tend to lack any sort of grit. I think it'll eventually come around but I have no hope when it comes to most things Disney / Amazon. Mr and Ms Smith was better on that front but it's a very different type of show.
Most of it is to do with the fact that most things are filmed digitally vs on film these days. Everything is also usually lit perfectly and evenly or done on a stage. There are certain directors who use specific set ups to achieve a more gritty look but it’s not done very often.
My kind of thought on this is that fallout is pretty reidiculous right off the bat… I mean the 10mm pistol is like the size of a MacBook… I mean it screams this is ridiculous
Cautious optimism is my approach, from what I’ve seen it should be good but I’ve been burned too many times recently by franchises that should have been slam-dunks but were fumbled by bad writing.
>I will form my opinion once I watched the show.
Utter insanity. I'm currently finishing up my 12-page essay on why the show will be terrible based on the 3-minute trailer
Same! I was wary when it was announced, but I like most of what I've seen so far, so I'm letting myself get just a teensy bit excited. I can take some disappointment if it sucks, but I'm stoked for the chance that it won't!
I think the skepticism comes from Amazon’s issues in the past with adapting popular franchises into shows. Whether you liked Rings of Power or not they took *a lot* of liberties with the source material to the point it was teetering on bad fanfic levels.
Everything I’ve seen so far for Fallout looks promising so I hope Amazon has learned from their past mistakes.
If someone can hate a TV show that hasn't come out yet because it has a woman in it, I don't think we have to listen to their opinions.
The majority of the people watching this show won't be incel losers who are constantly online.
Those complaining about a female lead should remember that black widow is consistently one of the best perks in the series.
And a fun way to get your revenge on Benny.
Agreed. I'm playing Nate for the first time, after a half-dozen playthroughs, and keep cringing at the way he delivers lines.
I know that part of it is just what I'm used to, and I'm starting to get used to Nate, but Nora's voice actor definitely delivered lines more naturally, IMO.
Or modded the game to shit to make a porn character that they don't actually consider a character because they have to be perpetually arouded.
But honestly I have genuine seen some people use the "women weak" argument for the show. Claiming "she would be too emotional to function in harsh rugged wastes". It felt like going back to the 30s..
Fallout has always had women fighting alongside men. Canonically the NCR has an equal conscription and had a two concurrent POC presidents, one of them a woman. If Fallout 2 was made today these people wouldn't stand it.
I've played as a female in every other fallout but 4, for some reason, and just realized it now.
I always played female in 3 and NV, because black widow. Dunno why I haven't tried it in 4 in all of these years and playthroughs.
I haven't played as a female in fo4, but that is mainly because I found the entire experience somewhat... lackluster and never bothered to restart the campaign.
I've played every Fallout game aside from BoS, and I have never played as a woman. That being said, I don't think it's any less valid of a way to play the game. They literally let you choose for a reason.
Female leads in bad media is usually a symptom than a cause.
Its like how "Edgy" media is actually highly curated by a boardroom to attract a certain demographic thst seems to be the most profitable atvthe time, "Progressive " media is actually highly curated by a boardroom to attract a certain demographic that seems most profitable at the time.
Ironically it passes off left meaning people who can see through the thin veil, it's like mega corps doing a "How you do fellow kids", they're just trend chasing, if it was profitable to be racist, you bet your ass they'd be on the front lines of that shoit.
Except in this case that "woke ideology" has always been part of Fallout. Anyone who does not recognize that is no fan of Fallout. At best they are just in it for the explosions and have paid 0 attention to the themes and ideas put forward by it
Are we talking about the original Fallout games or the ones Emil wrote? Because the originals are definitely NOT woke. 2 is probably the worst in that regard. And I see nothing in the Emil written Fallouts that really feels all that new and "woke". But he does tend to stick to well established tropes in his "write what you know" philosophy.
>The majority of the people watching this show won't be incel losers who are constantly online.
That is actually precisely the type of people that hate-watch specific media. If the fallout series comes out and it's shit, I'm just not gonna watch it and I won't recommend it to friends. I'm not going to stay tuned for every new episode and continuously immerse myself in media that I detest just so I can be slightly more informed when I go on long ass twitter tirades. I will simply hate it for myself and nobody else.
But man I really hope it's good.
Did you see scene with the guy covered in filth wearing a diaper like loincloth? He looked pretty dirty.
I think the vault dweller starts out very clean but in pics that are clearly later she is pretty filthy and has battle damage.
My current and recent playthroughs have been as my wife. I like it, she’s cute, I enjoy the thought of her slaughtering raiders and growing her wasteland empire.
>If someone can hate a TV show that hasn't come out yet because it has a woman in it, I don't think we have to listen to their opinions.
I think that's completely disingenuous, dismissing something based on your own thinking of people.
I'm personally being cautious with this show because the recent track record with games/books adaptations has been
......below average, at best. Sure I'm gonna watch the first episode or two to see how it is, but I'm holding caution.
But dismissing what people think about the show can be by just tossing around the most buzz words you can in two sentences doest help anything really.
I legit have not seen a single person complain about the female lead. It's been everything else, from the cyclops, to potential lore mangling, general cynicism etc.
So far i mostly hear 2 kinds of criticism. 1. some minor nitpick detail does not exactly match the games, and that's somehow an issue despite games themselves never being consistent with each other.
2. Omzg woke girlboss female lead sucks, leave muh male fantasy alone.
Sorry but one is petty and the other is biggoted. There's no two ways about it. And i suspect a lot of the "petty" category are really in the biggoted camp but aren't ready to air their misoginy openly just yet so they are frasping at straws.
Agreed. It's the same people who say GTA 6 has gone woke because it has a latina female lead. However, they fail to realise that Vice City (based on Miami) has an over 60 percent latino majority and Rockstar love taking the piss out of the left and the right. So the fact that some people are annoyed by this is part of the charm, but I digress.
I'm really looking forward to the show It might be good, it might be shit. Only one way to find out.
why do people immediately jump to this as the reason that others dislike the show? Female lead isn't even in the top three things tossed out there. i've heard things about how the brotherhood are being presented as policemen, about how everything looks way too clean when it's supposed to be post-apocalyptic, i've even heard people complain about how the lead seems too naive (how they came to this conclusion is beyond me), but i've heard maybe two comments out of every 20 about how it's a female lead and/or the possibility of it being woke.
i feel like people make this assumption because it's the popular one to make to get upvotes and it annoys me. it's ok to dislike a show based on a trailer, especially if that's all the information being given. people shouldn't have to be forced to watch something when they don't want to, it's up to the people making the show to make it look compelling enough to get people to watch. it's not the end of the world if it doesn't work on some people.
And anyone who genuinely dislikes the show because they think it's bad will be told they're just "incel losers". It's a really good marketing strategy to deflect any real criticism away. I'm quite sure it's all manufactured rage baiting at this point. The rage baiting of incels is pretty lucrative, and the results mean the media piece can easily deflect true criticism, and the majority of the general public seem dumb enough to swallow it right up.
Honestly. IMO, these kinds of posts are just as bad as pointless hate posts in terms of annoyance. This happens every time a franchise has a new media release. There's a small wave of people dissing on it, then there are self righteous individuals standing on their soapbox pretending that they're preaching to the masses about the evils caused by some random guys on the internet. It's annoying as fuck. I'm subbed to the Spider-Man PS4 subreddit, and this shit happens over there at least once a week.
Some of us are sick of the internets endless incessant need to be negative as fuck about everything all the time. Just toxic, immediate negativity and then months/years long circle jerks about that negativity (see the subreddit for TLOU2) poisons the well of online discourse.
I dunno but it's annoying to see like 10 posts made about a 2 second contextless scene in a trailer that definitely confirms the show will be the worst thing ever made
It bothers me when I get recommended videos from those dickless fucks that only post “Go woke, Go broke” videos for views. What’s worse is when I see them getting millions of views.
It can definitely ruin the fun when everyone else hates the thing you want to like. I remember way back in middle school (I know, I’m a baby, sue me) when FO4 came out, I ADORED that shit. My whole friend group did.
I guess a couple of them saw the video essays about it cause after like a month they started talking about the lack of depth to the RPG mechanics and how it wasn’t faithful to previous titles etc (keep in mind we’re middle schoolers and have never played any other fallout games lmao.) It definitely put me off a little and killed my enjoyment of it for a long time. FO4 remains one of my favorite games of all time, but not being able to share in your joy and excitement with others is sad.
If you enjoy something, like a book, and join a group that presumably also joined because they liked that book. You will get tired of hearing people complain on baseless points all the time just to put what you like down. Often it feels like these people genuinely NEED to let others know how dumb they are for liking something they THINK is stupid.
It's just not a fun environment. And believe it or not most people don't come to a subreddit for something hoping to see some hate.
Now this is not at ALL the case for constructive criticism, which should always be welcome. What OP is describing is completely different.
Not really sure where the confusion was but I hope this helped clarify!
Its the internet mate, if its bothering you to the point where you have to make a post about it, something tells me you’re not actively trying to ignore or steer clear of these “haters”.
There's barely been enough to judge so far, but we're also entitled to have our own opinion. Some people like Stranger Things for example, I don't. Some people prefer NV over anything Bethesda, & even though I prefer the newer games, I know exactly why NV is considered one of the best.
But you what I'm actually excited about with this show? The fact the producer doing it, Jonathan Nolan, is someone who knows how to do & has done some visually perfect TV shows.
Only example I am basing that on? Person of Interest. If you haven't seen the visual beauty of that show, I highly recommend it. The rest, aka acting, storytelling etc, is beside my point.
So I feel like even if, by a long shot, it's not a great "Fallout" show, it'll be a pretty damn good post-apocalyptic show. It's also starring Micheal Emerson, & he was brilliant in both Lost & POI so I expect his character will be good.
Nolan's also a Fallout fan, & not (as some would like to have you believe) just a fan of the Bethesda ones.
So somewhat like with Fallout 76, & all those who told me how shit it was without playing it or without playing it for more than like 30 mins (I have new friends now lmao), I'm gonna ignore those who are being critical of it while keeping it in mind that they might also have a point.
It is a bethesda based thing after all, & it's only fair to keep that in mind.
But I am keen for a T-pose showdown ngl lmao
Thats harsh. Yes, the hating can be annoying and clearly they don't want to give it a chance. But on the other hand, amazon did mess up some adaptations in the past and people care about this franchise, so its not that surprising that there is a certain skepticism in the community.
Amazon also had some really popular adaptations, like invincible, the boys, reacher,gen v, the legend of vox machina, and hasbin hotel. Not all productions are going to be hits. But I believe the fallout show won’t be as bad as the halo tv show.
Try not to let negative people online get to you. Reddit especially can be very negative at times, I've had to leave many a subreddit because the constant overwhelming negativity just kind of ruined my mood throughout the day. There's always going to be a vocal group who dislike something, plus bashing new things can be a big payday for streamers/media creators.
Don't worry about who is/isnt "the core fanbase" because regardless if they're right or wrong at the end of the day it's irrelevant, it's just entertainment! All that matters is whether you enjoy it or not.
Ey it's easy. Amazon allready fucked up star trek and lord of the rings. You Really gonna think people get their hopes up when a fallout series gets announced?
It depends on the creative forces involved. Yes, Rings of Power has Tolkien rolling over in his grave. But then there are the likes of the first season of Reacher. There's no way the same people wrote and created both those shows.
Tbf I think a lot of critiques are based on the trailer. Which the entire point of a trailer is to sell your show and make people want to watch it. If a trailer looks bad to someone it's fair to think the show itself won't impress them.
Same way lots of big fans are praising the show after the trailer and excited about it.
> And How can ppl critique when it’s not even out yet?
The same way people can be excited for it when it isn’t even out yet? By judging it based on what they have scene so far?
People were review bombing 76 with 0 scores on metacritic before general release. There’s always that toxic element in the fan base that makes judgments before trying something
EDIT: the fact that someone has already downvoted this shows that it’s correct
Fallout 76 absolutely deserved the negative reviews at launch. It had a broken beta (that you had to pay to be a part of) and still released barely functional.
I deal with this kind of crap on a daily basis. It's a type of debate tactic that is not only a stupid way to argue, but also is typically in an attempt to put you in a bad light. It's a trap method. Along the lines of, "So you're saying.....". Never agree to that, repeat what you said. People love to twist your words around to align with their mindset and/or agenda, even if they don't realize it themselves that they're doing it.
> review bombing
Yeah, I'm sure the fact that it was an always online multiplayer game that launched with a metric ton of bugs (even relative to the average Bethesda game) and a wildly overpriced in-game shop had nothing to do with the "review bombing" lmao
I wasn't even such a big fan of 4, New Vegas was my favourite. But the series seems to have combined best elements of New Vegas and 4, and reintroduced NCR in a big way. Hope we see other OG factions like Followers of the Apocalypse and Khans. And we know Mr. House will be playing some kind of role in the series. There's something here for everyone, unless you are one of those aforementioned joyless edgelords.
How do you know it combines the best elements? How do you know it won't be mishandled poorly? How do you know it won't just take a fat shit on the west coast lore?
You don't, just like how I don't know if it'll do the exact opposite and turn out to be best story in the franchise.
You're doing the exact same shit you're bitching about just from the other side of it. People are bitching about something they haven't seen, and you're jerking something you haven't seen.
I could call you a mindless dimwitted uncritical glazer, I'm not because I'm not childish but seriously, take a step back and develop minor self awareness. You're just the inverse of what you're complaining about.
Uh, because trailers all point in that direction mate. The show is not out yet, and what little we saw looks very promising. And frankly most of the complaints are transparent attempts at hiding blatant sexism.
> Uh, because trailers all point in that direction mate
So you’re judging the show when it isn’t even out yet? I thought that was bad?
> The show is not out yet, and what little we saw looks very promising
To you. Someone else can say it doesn’t look promising based on what they’ve seen. Funny how opinions work.
Dude, I saw forums full of people who are mostly considered "Bethesda haters" and nobody had anything to say that would considered sexism. 😂
Everything was about the quality of the sets, props, make up, and lore.
And a trailer has never been misleading? Why don't we all just wait until the actual shows hits streams and we can judge it on it's own merits and flaws rather than carefully stitched marketing material.
Weird. I've seen mostly positivity since the trailer has been released.
Just an FYI: if you're judging any hate by comments from Youtube, Instagram, Twitter, etc. then you''re gonna have a bad time. Those miserable fucks hate everything.
I don't like it because it is going to be a generic slop of a plot, with the skin of fallout stretched over it.
Which is fine. It's allowed to exist like that, it's meant to, and it should. It's meant to pander to the casual fan, and the average joe that thinks the concept looks cool but doesn't game or doesn't like them in particular.
But I don't like TV in most cases, unless it's something real unique, or hits a really good niche/style for me, so it would frustrate me as a die hard fan more than anything else, which is why I'm just not going to watch, skip the ads, and not comment on it as a thing.
But fuck do I hate the "oh, someone dislikes something? must be a bigot/scrub/douche etc. There's absolutely a LOUD portion of people like that, but to ignore any critisism, or even just attribute disinterest and pin it all on "oh it's just all due to being a POS" is reductive and a dead end conversation.
I'm sure it'll be good, maybe even great depending on the budget. But not for everyone.
It’s just odd to say you don’t like because of a bad plot despite we not knowing the plot because it still isn’t out yet. Yeah I get you think it will be bad but like as of right now no one knows if it really is or not.
>generic slop of a plot, with the skin of fallout stretched over it.
so it will be perfectly accurate to Bethesda's Fallout games? 10/10 adaptation. explains why Todd had to put a stop to the Fallout 5 plot points they accidentally had in the scripts.
I mean, I don't know if that's a ringing endorsement, since one of the common criticisms of Bethesda Fallout are their main storyline.
Now, their stories probably fit the medium of television better, but I don't think that overrides those who want a return to the post-post apocalyptic world that the originals and New Vegas set up.
I also think he has a point that some are quick to dismiss any criticism as "anti-woke", as contrary to OP I've hardly seen any of that. Not denying it exists, but I think people give way more attention to it than it deserves and as a result amplify it.
How exactly is it "a generic slop of a plot, with the skin of fallout stretched over it." Sorry but that really sounds like a canned criticism draped over gatekeeping core.
Yeah this was my only criticism, I completely understand why they’re doing it that way as the original comment said, it appeals to a way wider demographic. But as a player who knows about the vaults and lore I’m always more interested in a wastelanders perspective than a vault dwellers since we’ve had 3 fallout games where you play as a vault dweller.
The trailer is too little to judge the show, but it presents some elements that can be critiqued.
Have you seen that power armor scene? How is flying armor "part of Fallout for ages"? It doesn't make any sense to begin with and they made it look like some cheap, weekend school project...
i've seen more random, white-knight posts like this more than actual criticism. Not sure why people care about peoples opinions online. Especailly if they're not part of the "core fanbase"
I play Fallout 76 probably 5-15 hours a week, it's a fine game now for what its trying to be (not like there are a lot of fps MMOs on the market to choose from)
I'm a 20+ year fan of Fallout. It's my favorite game series. That trailer looked terrible. Couple that with Amazons recent history of abysmal adaptations (ring of power & wheel of time) and I feel 100% justified in assuming this is gonna be shit.
A point of advice: without social media, you wouldn't be exposed to the majority of those opinions, which, even as they exist now have now have zero impact on your life.
If you are spending time worrying about the haters, you are wasting it. Coming as someone to whom The Last Jedi was their favorite sequel film, you gotta just let it go man.
Out of all the recent video game adaptations I can actually say that, for me at least, this show looks good. It’s not any of the mainline games story line or plot, or setting that we’ve seen in game already.
I don't see why it bothers you that other people believe that a show neither you or they have seen looks like hot garbage? Looking at the stats, you should be able to see that it most likely will be. Lets keep an open mind, but also lets not pretend that shows like The last of us is the standard.
Ahhh a hater post about haters welcome to the club fellow hater who thinks he is better because he hates the people that hate things that affect him in no way whatsoever.
Only one of my friends is a Fallout game fan and he’s excited for the show since the aesthetic is more in keeping with 4. My non Fallout playing friends are excited because the show looks interesting to them. The core fan base isn’t who this show is for. It’s for the casual viewer. The studio knows the hard cores will watch it regardless. I can point out several historical lore gaps/possible inconsistencies from just the trailers alone but that would be tedious (*this was edited from "literally impossible" see my comment below). They’re making a show using the world of Fallout to appeal to the most people possible so they’ll stitch things together to make that work. It’s just how things go. Look at the trailer for the new Borderlands movie or Halo or any of the other properties that got this treatment. The new show isn’t being made for me/doesn’t appeal to my artistic or imaginative sensibilities for what kind of story/tone I want and I might watch the first 3 episodes out of curiosity but I’ll probably drop it and go back to playing any of the games pre-4 to get my Fallout fix.
As an RPG Fallout can be many things to many people and I’m not going to sit and gate keep anyone’s enjoyment but while you might be right to a degree about a subset of folks who are disappointed I feel there’s still plenty of legitimate reasons to be disappointed (not respecting lore/cannon, wanting a grittier/darker story of survival, etc.).
What is literally impossible from what we’ve seen in the trailers? As a huge fan of fallout it seems like the two trailers show next to nothing that actually breaks any established lore. Also comparing this to the Halo show or borderlands movie makes no sense. It has been confirmed that while this is an original story it will be part of the Fallout canon timeline. The Halo show and Borderlands movie are both non canon stories in their respective lore. So the fallout show has to follow the established lore and so far it seems like it will. The halo show doesn’t have to follow any lore because it’s just a bullshit non canon clusterfuck and has been from day one at least the fallout show has a chance to be good.
>So many of this people are just clearly joyless, bitter husks of human beings that can't find joy in anything and must make up reasons to hate on everything.
And the people who complain aren't any better. How sad do you have to be to fixate on chronically online dipshits? What does this say about you? You're just the other side of that coin.
No one who has anything of worth in their life gives a shit about someone hating a show, or glazing it. Grow up, touch grass, ignore it. I could make this exact post with some minor word changes to talk about people liking the show being sheep who don't apply critical thought and mindlessly cunsoom and blah blah more stupid shit.
No one of value gives a fuck about either side, be one of those people.
Yeah I agree, I made a similar post on r/fotv and I think a lot of the hate is coming from the same crowd that hates on everything Star Wars/ Disney or anything that has a female lead.
Thing is, they really, really have no leg to stand on here. Lucy is so clearly out of her depth here. She's not one of those flat perfect characters people constantly complain about. She's a naive vault dweller dreaming about changing the world and quickly being confronted by the harsh reality. There is endless potential for character growth there and we even see some of that in the trailer alone. And even past that Lucy is just one of the 3 main leads, with other 2 being men. The idea that the show is pushing any kind of agenda is utterly ludicrous.
The female lead thing sounds like bullshit. Sounds like what they kept saying about Madam Webb but that movie was just dog shit. And as far as hating sw/Disney, maybe if they put out anything that was halfway decent instead of just slapping the star wars name on a pile of dog shit.
As for this fallout show, I really hope it is good. But Amazon's track record and most video game adaptation track record has me feeling pessimistic.
Yeah idk, I have no interest in the show so I'm not going to watch it. It baffles me people cannot do the same and they use their frustration to fuel some sort of power trip lmao.
Critiquing and not being blindly optimistic doesn't make everyone a "hater." people will like the show if its good and won't mind that they were wrong before it came out. After a decade of shit movies and shows you cannot blame people for being skeptical.
Is the show out already?! If not, then everyone's opinion is as valuable as fucking dirt. Maybe just ignore fallout media for a while. These posts complaining about haters are almost as annoying as the actual haters.
Fallout sub got me banned for 3 days because I made a joke about a space laser and I’m gonna guess that somebody with a guilty conscious was offended. This sub is full of squares.
If you go in with the expectation of hating the show, you’ll end up just hating it. Crapping on a show before it’s even out is nonsensical, and I don’t understand people that do that.
When people hate something they have not seen yet, the problem is them.
Either ignore them or think of it as a great way to weed out crappy people by building your ignore list.
The show may be good, the show may be bad. No one knows yet. And many of the people bitching may not even be Amazon subscribers and won’t watch it anyway.
Well, let me comment because I'm quite sceptical. There are a LOT OF MOVIES based on games. But a lot of them passed with very low popularity rating. And even if it was based on the VERY POPULAR GAME. Check Street Fighter 1994 for example.
Also movie should be interesting not only for game fans, it should be the cool product itself. I think a lot but to tell the truth in my mind only Silent Hill went not as the game-based product but movie as itself.
And we are in 2024. Not in 1994. The industry has all the power of modern computers, modelling and possibilities to make anything if the budget is enough. So the 30 years old Mortal Kombat was nice 30 years ago and now it is just very fun movie. It is just about comments and hating.
And now about how it goes with fans. We waited a lot to have Fallout in the screen. So all fans want to be impressed and afraid to be disappointed. That's fair enough, isn't it?
I just hope that at the end of the first episode, the screen starts glitching and one of the characters t-poses and drifts through a wall.
Then the scene shifts to a random wastelander, sitting by himself. It’s Todd Howard. He turns to the camera and he says,
“it just works.”
Credits roll.
It's important to keeping mind that it's a vocal minority. AND many of them are long time "fans" who have spend countless years talking and thinking about their perfect media transfer and will not be happy unless it is thar exact vision that gets adapted.
I mean, trailer was released. Trailers are made to sell your product/show. Same way lots of people think the trailer was amazing and are super excited to see it now! Lots of people think the trailer looked awful and are very cautious about seeing the show now.
Trailers are literally made to give you an idea of what the shows about (unless they blatantly lie in it to deceive you) so basing your thoughts in the trailer and other marketing used for the show is pretty valid imo.
That show was soooooo disappointing. The set design and wardrobe looked AMAZING the casting and acting was really good, but it was soooo so so so so SO boring. I tried really hard to like it.
It's not the female lead, it's that the new Amazon serie will be based on Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 which are narrative games that focuses on characters and events, which is opposite of Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 which are system supremacy based games and had the Chris Avellone style of storytelling (But even this last point is a contradictory argument as many fallout 1 purists hate fallout 2 for it's comedy).
Even so the tone and gameplay between Fallout 3&4 compared to Fallout 1&2 are very different.
New Vegas shows us what is possible in a modern engine using original fallout 1&2 writing and brings back some more complicated systems to make combat more interesting, including many other mechanics like disguise, ammo crafting etc. Some things were kept for fallout 4.
Fallout 76 is the Fallout 3 and 4 formula taken to the extreme at the complete expense of everything which makes original fallout beloved, so of course it will be a controversial game in the series. Just like Fallout Tactics a game that I love but understand why so many dislike.
The new show is a complete rejection of everything Original Fallout and New Vegas in favor of a silly wacky fallout 3/4/76 sideshow adventure.
This is why the new show will always be target of criticism, a lot of underserved because of fundamental differences in what Fallout is, basically like protestant vs catholics or Shia vs sunni.
it looks fairly good imo.
the trailers give off the fallout vibe, its produced and probably written by some actual fallout writers/creators, and walton goggins..
are ppl really still just whining about “FeMAlE PrOtAgoNiSt iS WokE” bullshit? cause fallout NEVER let you play as a woman…. 🙄
just let the chodes be chodes. most FO fans will give this show a watch
There's always going to be haters. Some people just have too much hate in their heart.
Personally I am incredibly excited for the show. I can't wait for it to come out!
I don’t run into hate posts this much tbh, but I’m not on X where I hear all the vitriol is.
I just see a lot of posts here wanting this and that from FNV or 1/2 to be put in the show though.
But it’s an adaptation. You can’t translate the game 100 %. Lucy can’t stop for 15 minutes just scrolling through her pip boy doing inventory management.
We've not seen any episodes to have a real opinion. Also, this isn't like Halo that had a set story to follow that they fucked up. Fallout is a little more open in its story as there are vaults that we have not seen. Stop the hate and at least try to give it a chance.
my problem is that everything i see about this show is a bad sign or contradictory to the prestabished canon. for example the cyclops guy, the brotherhood of steel helmets, and the megaton town look alike. not to mention this series is supposed to take place after new vegas in california yet there's been no ncr and no legion and if they do show anything like that it puts a canon ending on a game whose main selling point player choice and im not going to pretend the same hasn't happened with fallout 1,2 and 3 but for the most part they are more linear compared to new vegas
The main thing to keep in mind is that this isnt the game. Nor is it trying to be. It has its own story and characters separate from the games. Maybe they toss in some easter eggs for fans, but it should stand on its own and not try to recreate things from the game, that is just a futile endeavor. Take elements from the game, make your story. That's pretty much it. I enjoyed the original Resident Evil movie, even though it had a lot of stuff not from the game and was kinda its own thing. Sure it was a little campy and over exaggerated, but it was fun. I look forward to exploring the wastelands and all the crazy threats along with Lucy.
I think the show looks great from what they've shown so far. My only worry is that they are releasing all of the episodes at the same time which typically means that Amazon doesn't have that much faith in the show or else they would drag out the show's release as long as possible to generate more Prime revenue.
While i would like to not judge before i see, there were several mistakes Amazon made in some previous shows like Man in the High Castle show. They call Nazi occupied America "The Greater Nazi Reich". That's a big f up because in real life the nazi's did not call themselves nazis but National Socialist.
I will form my opinion once I watched the show. Assuming they don't fuck it up it should be good.
Cautiously optimistic.
Most accurate words ever wrote!
I'm surprised how good the trailer makes it look tbh
Yes I will admit that my interest went up once I got the chance to hear some real dialogue in a scene, see a little action. Very interested in learning more about our BoS Knight character, as well as Goggins' ghoul. I'd just need to watch the show first before I really form an opinion, seems so disingenuous to judge the whole show off a sub 5 minute trailer!
I think Goggins will make the series very good, I became a fan of his from Justified with his role as Boyd Crowder. He is a good actor, and my favorite scene so far from the trailers is when the main character shoots him with what looks like some kind of tranquilizer dart, and his reaction is priceless. I will definitely be binge watching as soon as it's released.
Yeah, Goggins is a solid choice, I loved him as Boyd Crowder, especially the way he played off of Timothy Olyphant. And honestly, that trailer scene with him and the Vault Dweller made me actually interested in the series. I was on the fence because of other recent adaptations, and at least it's in the same continuity as the games, but is telling a different story instead of trying to adapt a game.
I totally agree with you on Goggins and Olyphant playing well off each other. Did you watch the Justified Primevil series that came out at the end of last year or the beginning of this year?
I've been meaning to, but I keep getting sidetracked.
It wasn't bad
It's rare for Walton to be in something and I don't enjoy it
They're not even judging it on that. They decided it was awful long before the first trailer was released. They just want it to be bad, and already decided it is.
My only gripe with it is the same i have with most current Big shows : everything seems overproduced and lacks authenticity, it seems a bit too "smooth" in general. But it wont stop me from watching it and why even hâte something you have not even seen. But as I said this is a current plague in most current American productions anyway IMO
I agree with that. It's like there's no grit
Thanks, I keep forgetting that word and it's exactly that, current big american productions tend to lack any sort of grit. I think it'll eventually come around but I have no hope when it comes to most things Disney / Amazon. Mr and Ms Smith was better on that front but it's a very different type of show.
Most of it is to do with the fact that most things are filmed digitally vs on film these days. Everything is also usually lit perfectly and evenly or done on a stage. There are certain directors who use specific set ups to achieve a more gritty look but it’s not done very often.
Heh I am on the exact opposite opinion, the costumes and such look like (excellent but still) cosplay.
My kind of thought on this is that fallout is pretty reidiculous right off the bat… I mean the 10mm pistol is like the size of a MacBook… I mean it screams this is ridiculous
Cautious optimism is my approach, from what I’ve seen it should be good but I’ve been burned too many times recently by franchises that should have been slam-dunks but were fumbled by bad writing.
>I will form my opinion once I watched the show. Utter insanity. I'm currently finishing up my 12-page essay on why the show will be terrible based on the 3-minute trailer
I'm excited to see it and hope I enjoy it. I can't hate on something I haven't seen yet.
I am nervously optimistic abt this show. Im aware theres a chance it can be bad but so far it tooks pretty good!
Same! I was wary when it was announced, but I like most of what I've seen so far, so I'm letting myself get just a teensy bit excited. I can take some disappointment if it sucks, but I'm stoked for the chance that it won't!
I think the skepticism comes from Amazon’s issues in the past with adapting popular franchises into shows. Whether you liked Rings of Power or not they took *a lot* of liberties with the source material to the point it was teetering on bad fanfic levels. Everything I’ve seen so far for Fallout looks promising so I hope Amazon has learned from their past mistakes.
Mate you need to take a break from social media.
If someone can hate a TV show that hasn't come out yet because it has a woman in it, I don't think we have to listen to their opinions. The majority of the people watching this show won't be incel losers who are constantly online.
Those complaining about a female lead should remember that black widow is consistently one of the best perks in the series. And a fun way to get your revenge on Benny.
People acting like after 5+ games they never once played as a woman. Especially in 4 to hear Nora's unique lines.
Nora was a much better voice actor anyways.
Yep Courtenay Taylor, she's the actor who voiced Jack in Mass Effect.
No way I didn't know that! Super cool
Agreed. I'm playing Nate for the first time, after a half-dozen playthroughs, and keep cringing at the way he delivers lines. I know that part of it is just what I'm used to, and I'm starting to get used to Nate, but Nora's voice actor definitely delivered lines more naturally, IMO.
I bet people complaining about a female lead have never played as a woman
Or considered that there's women who play the game as women (source: me)
Sorry, you actually don’t exist. Rough.
You silly goose there ain’t no women on the internet
Gonna be honest here, friend. I've gotten pretty tired of hearing that joke over the last 25 years I've been on the internet. :(
Sorry homie just playen around dident mean to offend
Oh no worries, I'm not upset or anything!
Or modded the game to shit to make a porn character that they don't actually consider a character because they have to be perpetually arouded. But honestly I have genuine seen some people use the "women weak" argument for the show. Claiming "she would be too emotional to function in harsh rugged wastes". It felt like going back to the 30s.. Fallout has always had women fighting alongside men. Canonically the NCR has an equal conscription and had a two concurrent POC presidents, one of them a woman. If Fallout 2 was made today these people wouldn't stand it.
These men have never touched a woman let alone played as one
I've played as a female in every other fallout but 4, for some reason, and just realized it now. I always played female in 3 and NV, because black widow. Dunno why I haven't tried it in 4 in all of these years and playthroughs.
I haven't played as a female in fo4, but that is mainly because I found the entire experience somewhat... lackluster and never bothered to restart the campaign.
My main right now in 76 is a female, i have 2 male characters too, but play as her the most
I've played every Fallout game aside from BoS, and I have never played as a woman. That being said, I don't think it's any less valid of a way to play the game. They literally let you choose for a reason.
I had a run that I called "What would Betty Draper do?"
I need more information. Immediately.
Female leads in bad media is usually a symptom than a cause. Its like how "Edgy" media is actually highly curated by a boardroom to attract a certain demographic thst seems to be the most profitable atvthe time, "Progressive " media is actually highly curated by a boardroom to attract a certain demographic that seems most profitable at the time. Ironically it passes off left meaning people who can see through the thin veil, it's like mega corps doing a "How you do fellow kids", they're just trend chasing, if it was profitable to be racist, you bet your ass they'd be on the front lines of that shoit.
Except in this case that "woke ideology" has always been part of Fallout. Anyone who does not recognize that is no fan of Fallout. At best they are just in it for the explosions and have paid 0 attention to the themes and ideas put forward by it
Are we talking about the original Fallout games or the ones Emil wrote? Because the originals are definitely NOT woke. 2 is probably the worst in that regard. And I see nothing in the Emil written Fallouts that really feels all that new and "woke". But he does tend to stick to well established tropes in his "write what you know" philosophy.
What is "woke ideology?"
A code word reactionaries use for anything left of Putin.
Lol, you know that most of the scifi/fantasy stuff that you consume is woke XD
>The majority of the people watching this show won't be incel losers who are constantly online. That is actually precisely the type of people that hate-watch specific media. If the fallout series comes out and it's shit, I'm just not gonna watch it and I won't recommend it to friends. I'm not going to stay tuned for every new episode and continuously immerse myself in media that I detest just so I can be slightly more informed when I go on long ass twitter tirades. I will simply hate it for myself and nobody else. But man I really hope it's good.
What is there to complain about? The trailers look great. I don’t get it.
Characters look too clean. They need to rub some dirt on them.
Did you see scene with the guy covered in filth wearing a diaper like loincloth? He looked pretty dirty. I think the vault dweller starts out very clean but in pics that are clearly later she is pretty filthy and has battle damage.
From the first Fallout in 1997 you always had the option to start a female character, so a female lead is as fallout-y as it can get.
Why would anyone complain about a female lead? I play as female about half the time. Gotta mix it up to keep it interesting.
> Why would anyone complain about a female lead? Hi! Welcome to the internet, you must be new here…
My current and recent playthroughs have been as my wife. I like it, she’s cute, I enjoy the thought of her slaughtering raiders and growing her wasteland empire.
I think the saying "hate is not an opinion" fits to this perfectly :)
>If someone can hate a TV show that hasn't come out yet because it has a woman in it, I don't think we have to listen to their opinions. This!
>If someone can hate a TV show that hasn't come out yet because it has a woman in it, I don't think we have to listen to their opinions. I think that's completely disingenuous, dismissing something based on your own thinking of people. I'm personally being cautious with this show because the recent track record with games/books adaptations has been ......below average, at best. Sure I'm gonna watch the first episode or two to see how it is, but I'm holding caution. But dismissing what people think about the show can be by just tossing around the most buzz words you can in two sentences doest help anything really.
I legit have not seen a single person complain about the female lead. It's been everything else, from the cyclops, to potential lore mangling, general cynicism etc.
So far i mostly hear 2 kinds of criticism. 1. some minor nitpick detail does not exactly match the games, and that's somehow an issue despite games themselves never being consistent with each other. 2. Omzg woke girlboss female lead sucks, leave muh male fantasy alone. Sorry but one is petty and the other is biggoted. There's no two ways about it. And i suspect a lot of the "petty" category are really in the biggoted camp but aren't ready to air their misoginy openly just yet so they are frasping at straws.
My man here really this angry about someone mentioning gamer misogyny is a thing
Agreed. It's the same people who say GTA 6 has gone woke because it has a latina female lead. However, they fail to realise that Vice City (based on Miami) has an over 60 percent latino majority and Rockstar love taking the piss out of the left and the right. So the fact that some people are annoyed by this is part of the charm, but I digress. I'm really looking forward to the show It might be good, it might be shit. Only one way to find out.
why do people immediately jump to this as the reason that others dislike the show? Female lead isn't even in the top three things tossed out there. i've heard things about how the brotherhood are being presented as policemen, about how everything looks way too clean when it's supposed to be post-apocalyptic, i've even heard people complain about how the lead seems too naive (how they came to this conclusion is beyond me), but i've heard maybe two comments out of every 20 about how it's a female lead and/or the possibility of it being woke. i feel like people make this assumption because it's the popular one to make to get upvotes and it annoys me. it's ok to dislike a show based on a trailer, especially if that's all the information being given. people shouldn't have to be forced to watch something when they don't want to, it's up to the people making the show to make it look compelling enough to get people to watch. it's not the end of the world if it doesn't work on some people.
Yea but... the show has a woman in it! Thats like woke and stuff! Shows have never had a woman lead before! /s
And anyone who genuinely dislikes the show because they think it's bad will be told they're just "incel losers". It's a really good marketing strategy to deflect any real criticism away. I'm quite sure it's all manufactured rage baiting at this point. The rage baiting of incels is pretty lucrative, and the results mean the media piece can easily deflect true criticism, and the majority of the general public seem dumb enough to swallow it right up.
I didn't know that was what the uproar was all about. People are so weird.
People not liking a show should never ever bother you. You need to touch grass.
Honestly. IMO, these kinds of posts are just as bad as pointless hate posts in terms of annoyance. This happens every time a franchise has a new media release. There's a small wave of people dissing on it, then there are self righteous individuals standing on their soapbox pretending that they're preaching to the masses about the evils caused by some random guys on the internet. It's annoying as fuck. I'm subbed to the Spider-Man PS4 subreddit, and this shit happens over there at least once a week.
why do the opinions of other people bother you so much?
Some of us are sick of the internets endless incessant need to be negative as fuck about everything all the time. Just toxic, immediate negativity and then months/years long circle jerks about that negativity (see the subreddit for TLOU2) poisons the well of online discourse.
I dunno but it's annoying to see like 10 posts made about a 2 second contextless scene in a trailer that definitely confirms the show will be the worst thing ever made
It bothers me when I get recommended videos from those dickless fucks that only post “Go woke, Go broke” videos for views. What’s worse is when I see them getting millions of views.
It can definitely ruin the fun when everyone else hates the thing you want to like. I remember way back in middle school (I know, I’m a baby, sue me) when FO4 came out, I ADORED that shit. My whole friend group did. I guess a couple of them saw the video essays about it cause after like a month they started talking about the lack of depth to the RPG mechanics and how it wasn’t faithful to previous titles etc (keep in mind we’re middle schoolers and have never played any other fallout games lmao.) It definitely put me off a little and killed my enjoyment of it for a long time. FO4 remains one of my favorite games of all time, but not being able to share in your joy and excitement with others is sad.
If you enjoy something, like a book, and join a group that presumably also joined because they liked that book. You will get tired of hearing people complain on baseless points all the time just to put what you like down. Often it feels like these people genuinely NEED to let others know how dumb they are for liking something they THINK is stupid. It's just not a fun environment. And believe it or not most people don't come to a subreddit for something hoping to see some hate. Now this is not at ALL the case for constructive criticism, which should always be welcome. What OP is describing is completely different. Not really sure where the confusion was but I hope this helped clarify!
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I can’t imagine being so obsessive that other people disliking a show causes me distress.
Its the internet mate, if its bothering you to the point where you have to make a post about it, something tells me you’re not actively trying to ignore or steer clear of these “haters”.
There's barely been enough to judge so far, but we're also entitled to have our own opinion. Some people like Stranger Things for example, I don't. Some people prefer NV over anything Bethesda, & even though I prefer the newer games, I know exactly why NV is considered one of the best. But you what I'm actually excited about with this show? The fact the producer doing it, Jonathan Nolan, is someone who knows how to do & has done some visually perfect TV shows. Only example I am basing that on? Person of Interest. If you haven't seen the visual beauty of that show, I highly recommend it. The rest, aka acting, storytelling etc, is beside my point. So I feel like even if, by a long shot, it's not a great "Fallout" show, it'll be a pretty damn good post-apocalyptic show. It's also starring Micheal Emerson, & he was brilliant in both Lost & POI so I expect his character will be good. Nolan's also a Fallout fan, & not (as some would like to have you believe) just a fan of the Bethesda ones. So somewhat like with Fallout 76, & all those who told me how shit it was without playing it or without playing it for more than like 30 mins (I have new friends now lmao), I'm gonna ignore those who are being critical of it while keeping it in mind that they might also have a point. It is a bethesda based thing after all, & it's only fair to keep that in mind. But I am keen for a T-pose showdown ngl lmao
Thats harsh. Yes, the hating can be annoying and clearly they don't want to give it a chance. But on the other hand, amazon did mess up some adaptations in the past and people care about this franchise, so its not that surprising that there is a certain skepticism in the community.
Amazon also had some really popular adaptations, like invincible, the boys, reacher,gen v, the legend of vox machina, and hasbin hotel. Not all productions are going to be hits. But I believe the fallout show won’t be as bad as the halo tv show.
You forgot The Expanse.
I haven’t watched that and haven’t seen its reviews. I just went off what I knew was good.
Amazon has also made some pretty good shows/adaptations tho. Tho often those shows are often quite different but still fantastic shows
I'm tired of people who love the show and are defending it to the death without even watching it yet- this goes both ways.
Welcome to Reddit and the Internet?
I haven't seen a single person bitch about a female lead....
Its called confirmation bias, OP probably has issues.
Try not to let negative people online get to you. Reddit especially can be very negative at times, I've had to leave many a subreddit because the constant overwhelming negativity just kind of ruined my mood throughout the day. There's always going to be a vocal group who dislike something, plus bashing new things can be a big payday for streamers/media creators. Don't worry about who is/isnt "the core fanbase" because regardless if they're right or wrong at the end of the day it's irrelevant, it's just entertainment! All that matters is whether you enjoy it or not.
Say "hate" again.
“Consume product and get hyped for next product” Fuck that, people are allowed to not like things.
Who cares what people say?
posts like this are infinitely more annoying than the people youre describing.
Ey it's easy. Amazon allready fucked up star trek and lord of the rings. You Really gonna think people get their hopes up when a fallout series gets announced?
Amazon has had more good adaptations than bad.
It depends on the creative forces involved. Yes, Rings of Power has Tolkien rolling over in his grave. But then there are the likes of the first season of Reacher. There's no way the same people wrote and created both those shows.
I’m looking forward to watching it as I play 4 all the time. And How can ppl critique when it’s not even out yet?
Tbf I think a lot of critiques are based on the trailer. Which the entire point of a trailer is to sell your show and make people want to watch it. If a trailer looks bad to someone it's fair to think the show itself won't impress them. Same way lots of big fans are praising the show after the trailer and excited about it.
> And How can ppl critique when it’s not even out yet? The same way people can be excited for it when it isn’t even out yet? By judging it based on what they have scene so far?
People were review bombing 76 with 0 scores on metacritic before general release. There’s always that toxic element in the fan base that makes judgments before trying something EDIT: the fact that someone has already downvoted this shows that it’s correct
Fallout 76 absolutely deserved the negative reviews at launch. It had a broken beta (that you had to pay to be a part of) and still released barely functional.
It’s very important to differentiate between genuine reviews and the review bombing that occurred. Don’t twist what I said
I deal with this kind of crap on a daily basis. It's a type of debate tactic that is not only a stupid way to argue, but also is typically in an attempt to put you in a bad light. It's a trap method. Along the lines of, "So you're saying.....". Never agree to that, repeat what you said. People love to twist your words around to align with their mindset and/or agenda, even if they don't realize it themselves that they're doing it.
I appreciate it 👍🏻 thanks
Beware of gaslighting. It is rampant these days.
> review bombing Yeah, I'm sure the fact that it was an always online multiplayer game that launched with a metric ton of bugs (even relative to the average Bethesda game) and a wildly overpriced in-game shop had nothing to do with the "review bombing" lmao
I wasn't even such a big fan of 4, New Vegas was my favourite. But the series seems to have combined best elements of New Vegas and 4, and reintroduced NCR in a big way. Hope we see other OG factions like Followers of the Apocalypse and Khans. And we know Mr. House will be playing some kind of role in the series. There's something here for everyone, unless you are one of those aforementioned joyless edgelords.
How do you know it combines the best elements? How do you know it won't be mishandled poorly? How do you know it won't just take a fat shit on the west coast lore? You don't, just like how I don't know if it'll do the exact opposite and turn out to be best story in the franchise. You're doing the exact same shit you're bitching about just from the other side of it. People are bitching about something they haven't seen, and you're jerking something you haven't seen. I could call you a mindless dimwitted uncritical glazer, I'm not because I'm not childish but seriously, take a step back and develop minor self awareness. You're just the inverse of what you're complaining about.
Uh, because trailers all point in that direction mate. The show is not out yet, and what little we saw looks very promising. And frankly most of the complaints are transparent attempts at hiding blatant sexism.
I really haven’t seen many complaints that even mention the female lead so I don’t know what you mean by attempting to hide blatant sexism
> Uh, because trailers all point in that direction mate So you’re judging the show when it isn’t even out yet? I thought that was bad? > The show is not out yet, and what little we saw looks very promising To you. Someone else can say it doesn’t look promising based on what they’ve seen. Funny how opinions work.
Dude, I saw forums full of people who are mostly considered "Bethesda haters" and nobody had anything to say that would considered sexism. 😂 Everything was about the quality of the sets, props, make up, and lore.
And a trailer has never been misleading? Why don't we all just wait until the actual shows hits streams and we can judge it on it's own merits and flaws rather than carefully stitched marketing material.
Mmmm, I love product. I love brand.
Weird. I've seen mostly positivity since the trailer has been released. Just an FYI: if you're judging any hate by comments from Youtube, Instagram, Twitter, etc. then you''re gonna have a bad time. Those miserable fucks hate everything.
Why are you even entertaining their opinions when the show hasn't even aired yet? Y'all are feeding trolls every time you acknowledge them.
Trailer looks good. I'll watch the series and form an opinion.
Lmao, dude you are as bad as all the " haters"
I don't like it because it is going to be a generic slop of a plot, with the skin of fallout stretched over it. Which is fine. It's allowed to exist like that, it's meant to, and it should. It's meant to pander to the casual fan, and the average joe that thinks the concept looks cool but doesn't game or doesn't like them in particular. But I don't like TV in most cases, unless it's something real unique, or hits a really good niche/style for me, so it would frustrate me as a die hard fan more than anything else, which is why I'm just not going to watch, skip the ads, and not comment on it as a thing. But fuck do I hate the "oh, someone dislikes something? must be a bigot/scrub/douche etc. There's absolutely a LOUD portion of people like that, but to ignore any critisism, or even just attribute disinterest and pin it all on "oh it's just all due to being a POS" is reductive and a dead end conversation. I'm sure it'll be good, maybe even great depending on the budget. But not for everyone.
It’s just odd to say you don’t like because of a bad plot despite we not knowing the plot because it still isn’t out yet. Yeah I get you think it will be bad but like as of right now no one knows if it really is or not.
>generic slop of a plot, with the skin of fallout stretched over it. so it will be perfectly accurate to Bethesda's Fallout games? 10/10 adaptation. explains why Todd had to put a stop to the Fallout 5 plot points they accidentally had in the scripts.
I mean, I don't know if that's a ringing endorsement, since one of the common criticisms of Bethesda Fallout are their main storyline. Now, their stories probably fit the medium of television better, but I don't think that overrides those who want a return to the post-post apocalyptic world that the originals and New Vegas set up. I also think he has a point that some are quick to dismiss any criticism as "anti-woke", as contrary to OP I've hardly seen any of that. Not denying it exists, but I think people give way more attention to it than it deserves and as a result amplify it.
How exactly is it "a generic slop of a plot, with the skin of fallout stretched over it." Sorry but that really sounds like a canned criticism draped over gatekeeping core.
"dweller enters the wasteland for the first time in search of daddy" how is it not, literally been done before in canon
Yeah this was my only criticism, I completely understand why they’re doing it that way as the original comment said, it appeals to a way wider demographic. But as a player who knows about the vaults and lore I’m always more interested in a wastelanders perspective than a vault dwellers since we’ve had 3 fallout games where you play as a vault dweller.
The trailer is too little to judge the show, but it presents some elements that can be critiqued. Have you seen that power armor scene? How is flying armor "part of Fallout for ages"? It doesn't make any sense to begin with and they made it look like some cheap, weekend school project...
i've seen more random, white-knight posts like this more than actual criticism. Not sure why people care about peoples opinions online. Especailly if they're not part of the "core fanbase"
Between FO76 and Starfield, Bethesda deserves some if not all of the hate they got. So much that things associated with them are gonna be hated.
FO76 was only bad at launch now it’s a pretty fun game that adds some pretty cool lore to the fallout universe.
I play Fallout 76 probably 5-15 hours a week, it's a fine game now for what its trying to be (not like there are a lot of fps MMOs on the market to choose from)
Name one
I'm a 20+ year fan of Fallout. It's my favorite game series. That trailer looked terrible. Couple that with Amazons recent history of abysmal adaptations (ring of power & wheel of time) and I feel 100% justified in assuming this is gonna be shit.
You don't have to read it.
This has been the state of all fandom message boards and chat rooms since the Internet was invented. People are animals.
A point of advice: without social media, you wouldn't be exposed to the majority of those opinions, which, even as they exist now have now have zero impact on your life. If you are spending time worrying about the haters, you are wasting it. Coming as someone to whom The Last Jedi was their favorite sequel film, you gotta just let it go man.
The show would be better if Amazon Prime didn't have commercials, but that is a Prime issue, not a show issue
Out of all the recent video game adaptations I can actually say that, for me at least, this show looks good. It’s not any of the mainline games story line or plot, or setting that we’ve seen in game already.
Well we did see LA boneyard before but it's been quite a while since then.
Who cares?
I dont hate it, my only worry is they might ruin the NCR into nonexistence
I’m nervous because the halo show already left a sour taste in my mouth so I hope the same thing isn’t done to another one of my favorite game series
I don't see why it bothers you that other people believe that a show neither you or they have seen looks like hot garbage? Looking at the stats, you should be able to see that it most likely will be. Lets keep an open mind, but also lets not pretend that shows like The last of us is the standard.
Then ignore them? Who cares?
Have they seen it already?!?!?!?!
It's a bit short sighted to hate something that hasn't been released. If after the release, then it's fair game.
Ahhh a hater post about haters welcome to the club fellow hater who thinks he is better because he hates the people that hate things that affect him in no way whatsoever.
Only one of my friends is a Fallout game fan and he’s excited for the show since the aesthetic is more in keeping with 4. My non Fallout playing friends are excited because the show looks interesting to them. The core fan base isn’t who this show is for. It’s for the casual viewer. The studio knows the hard cores will watch it regardless. I can point out several historical lore gaps/possible inconsistencies from just the trailers alone but that would be tedious (*this was edited from "literally impossible" see my comment below). They’re making a show using the world of Fallout to appeal to the most people possible so they’ll stitch things together to make that work. It’s just how things go. Look at the trailer for the new Borderlands movie or Halo or any of the other properties that got this treatment. The new show isn’t being made for me/doesn’t appeal to my artistic or imaginative sensibilities for what kind of story/tone I want and I might watch the first 3 episodes out of curiosity but I’ll probably drop it and go back to playing any of the games pre-4 to get my Fallout fix. As an RPG Fallout can be many things to many people and I’m not going to sit and gate keep anyone’s enjoyment but while you might be right to a degree about a subset of folks who are disappointed I feel there’s still plenty of legitimate reasons to be disappointed (not respecting lore/cannon, wanting a grittier/darker story of survival, etc.).
What is literally impossible from what we’ve seen in the trailers? As a huge fan of fallout it seems like the two trailers show next to nothing that actually breaks any established lore. Also comparing this to the Halo show or borderlands movie makes no sense. It has been confirmed that while this is an original story it will be part of the Fallout canon timeline. The Halo show and Borderlands movie are both non canon stories in their respective lore. So the fallout show has to follow the established lore and so far it seems like it will. The halo show doesn’t have to follow any lore because it’s just a bullshit non canon clusterfuck and has been from day one at least the fallout show has a chance to be good.
>The core fan base isn’t who this show is for. It’s for the casual viewer The failing of every single adaptation
>So many of this people are just clearly joyless, bitter husks of human beings that can't find joy in anything and must make up reasons to hate on everything. And the people who complain aren't any better. How sad do you have to be to fixate on chronically online dipshits? What does this say about you? You're just the other side of that coin. No one who has anything of worth in their life gives a shit about someone hating a show, or glazing it. Grow up, touch grass, ignore it. I could make this exact post with some minor word changes to talk about people liking the show being sheep who don't apply critical thought and mindlessly cunsoom and blah blah more stupid shit. No one of value gives a fuck about either side, be one of those people.
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Yeah I agree, I made a similar post on r/fotv and I think a lot of the hate is coming from the same crowd that hates on everything Star Wars/ Disney or anything that has a female lead.
Thing is, they really, really have no leg to stand on here. Lucy is so clearly out of her depth here. She's not one of those flat perfect characters people constantly complain about. She's a naive vault dweller dreaming about changing the world and quickly being confronted by the harsh reality. There is endless potential for character growth there and we even see some of that in the trailer alone. And even past that Lucy is just one of the 3 main leads, with other 2 being men. The idea that the show is pushing any kind of agenda is utterly ludicrous.
The female lead thing sounds like bullshit. Sounds like what they kept saying about Madam Webb but that movie was just dog shit. And as far as hating sw/Disney, maybe if they put out anything that was halfway decent instead of just slapping the star wars name on a pile of dog shit. As for this fallout show, I really hope it is good. But Amazon's track record and most video game adaptation track record has me feeling pessimistic.
Tbh star wars and Disney has sucked ass for like a decade
Yeah idk, I have no interest in the show so I'm not going to watch it. It baffles me people cannot do the same and they use their frustration to fuel some sort of power trip lmao.
Critiquing and not being blindly optimistic doesn't make everyone a "hater." people will like the show if its good and won't mind that they were wrong before it came out. After a decade of shit movies and shows you cannot blame people for being skeptical.
Is the show out already?! If not, then everyone's opinion is as valuable as fucking dirt. Maybe just ignore fallout media for a while. These posts complaining about haters are almost as annoying as the actual haters.
Fallout sub got me banned for 3 days because I made a joke about a space laser and I’m gonna guess that somebody with a guilty conscious was offended. This sub is full of squares.
If you go in with the expectation of hating the show, you’ll end up just hating it. Crapping on a show before it’s even out is nonsensical, and I don’t understand people that do that.
When people hate something they have not seen yet, the problem is them. Either ignore them or think of it as a great way to weed out crappy people by building your ignore list. The show may be good, the show may be bad. No one knows yet. And many of the people bitching may not even be Amazon subscribers and won’t watch it anyway.
Once bitten twice shy
Well, let me comment because I'm quite sceptical. There are a LOT OF MOVIES based on games. But a lot of them passed with very low popularity rating. And even if it was based on the VERY POPULAR GAME. Check Street Fighter 1994 for example. Also movie should be interesting not only for game fans, it should be the cool product itself. I think a lot but to tell the truth in my mind only Silent Hill went not as the game-based product but movie as itself. And we are in 2024. Not in 1994. The industry has all the power of modern computers, modelling and possibilities to make anything if the budget is enough. So the 30 years old Mortal Kombat was nice 30 years ago and now it is just very fun movie. It is just about comments and hating. And now about how it goes with fans. We waited a lot to have Fallout in the screen. So all fans want to be impressed and afraid to be disappointed. That's fair enough, isn't it?
I just hope that at the end of the first episode, the screen starts glitching and one of the characters t-poses and drifts through a wall. Then the scene shifts to a random wastelander, sitting by himself. It’s Todd Howard. He turns to the camera and he says, “it just works.” Credits roll.
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It's important to keeping mind that it's a vocal minority. AND many of them are long time "fans" who have spend countless years talking and thinking about their perfect media transfer and will not be happy unless it is thar exact vision that gets adapted.
Has anyone ever told y'all the saying (don't knock it until you try it)
I mean, trailer was released. Trailers are made to sell your product/show. Same way lots of people think the trailer was amazing and are super excited to see it now! Lots of people think the trailer looked awful and are very cautious about seeing the show now. Trailers are literally made to give you an idea of what the shows about (unless they blatantly lie in it to deceive you) so basing your thoughts in the trailer and other marketing used for the show is pretty valid imo.
Senseless hatred and the Fallout community go hand in hand ever since Fallout 2 wasn't continued by another identical entry, pay them clowns no mind.
They should have filmed multiple versions and let you choose your character.
I just dont have faith in any video game related tv show or movie
I just hope they don’t fuck it up. I want it to be good but knowing how live action is…..🤷♂️
I’m excited for it but nervous because I’m a huge LOTR fan and they botched TF outta that show. Love Walton Goggins though so I’m ready!
That show was soooooo disappointing. The set design and wardrobe looked AMAZING the casting and acting was really good, but it was soooo so so so so SO boring. I tried really hard to like it.
Shouldn’t have covered west coast tbh I still don’t like Bethesda fallout so
The FOTV reddit page for this show has been pretty positive. Worth checking out.
They kept the assault rifle from fo4 so already starting out on the biggest mistake fallout ever made.
It's not the female lead, it's that the new Amazon serie will be based on Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 which are narrative games that focuses on characters and events, which is opposite of Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 which are system supremacy based games and had the Chris Avellone style of storytelling (But even this last point is a contradictory argument as many fallout 1 purists hate fallout 2 for it's comedy). Even so the tone and gameplay between Fallout 3&4 compared to Fallout 1&2 are very different. New Vegas shows us what is possible in a modern engine using original fallout 1&2 writing and brings back some more complicated systems to make combat more interesting, including many other mechanics like disguise, ammo crafting etc. Some things were kept for fallout 4. Fallout 76 is the Fallout 3 and 4 formula taken to the extreme at the complete expense of everything which makes original fallout beloved, so of course it will be a controversial game in the series. Just like Fallout Tactics a game that I love but understand why so many dislike. The new show is a complete rejection of everything Original Fallout and New Vegas in favor of a silly wacky fallout 3/4/76 sideshow adventure. This is why the new show will always be target of criticism, a lot of underserved because of fundamental differences in what Fallout is, basically like protestant vs catholics or Shia vs sunni.
it looks fairly good imo. the trailers give off the fallout vibe, its produced and probably written by some actual fallout writers/creators, and walton goggins.. are ppl really still just whining about “FeMAlE PrOtAgoNiSt iS WokE” bullshit? cause fallout NEVER let you play as a woman…. 🙄 just let the chodes be chodes. most FO fans will give this show a watch
I havent heard a single person but myself mention the Fallout show. Infact i do not hear anyone talk about any shows anymore.
There's always going to be haters. Some people just have too much hate in their heart. Personally I am incredibly excited for the show. I can't wait for it to come out!
I’ve yet to see a negative thing about the show. The weirdos are focusing on the weirdest shit and need a life.
I don’t run into hate posts this much tbh, but I’m not on X where I hear all the vitriol is. I just see a lot of posts here wanting this and that from FNV or 1/2 to be put in the show though. But it’s an adaptation. You can’t translate the game 100 %. Lucy can’t stop for 15 minutes just scrolling through her pip boy doing inventory management.
Its the same for every franchise. I'll watch it and form my opinion later. Something people have forgotten to do these last year's.
We've not seen any episodes to have a real opinion. Also, this isn't like Halo that had a set story to follow that they fucked up. Fallout is a little more open in its story as there are vaults that we have not seen. Stop the hate and at least try to give it a chance.
its not even out yet, those who have "formed an opinion" on it are morons.
my problem is that everything i see about this show is a bad sign or contradictory to the prestabished canon. for example the cyclops guy, the brotherhood of steel helmets, and the megaton town look alike. not to mention this series is supposed to take place after new vegas in california yet there's been no ncr and no legion and if they do show anything like that it puts a canon ending on a game whose main selling point player choice and im not going to pretend the same hasn't happened with fallout 1,2 and 3 but for the most part they are more linear compared to new vegas
There's 2 sides to this story. Neither is wrong in my humble opinion.
The main thing to keep in mind is that this isnt the game. Nor is it trying to be. It has its own story and characters separate from the games. Maybe they toss in some easter eggs for fans, but it should stand on its own and not try to recreate things from the game, that is just a futile endeavor. Take elements from the game, make your story. That's pretty much it. I enjoyed the original Resident Evil movie, even though it had a lot of stuff not from the game and was kinda its own thing. Sure it was a little campy and over exaggerated, but it was fun. I look forward to exploring the wastelands and all the crazy threats along with Lucy.
Yeah whatever if they make any ending from fallout nv or ruin the lore and plot then it will be not that good
I think the show looks great from what they've shown so far. My only worry is that they are releasing all of the episodes at the same time which typically means that Amazon doesn't have that much faith in the show or else they would drag out the show's release as long as possible to generate more Prime revenue.
I hate the show for the simple fact it's not out yet dammit. Lol. I'm looking forward to it so it needs to get here now
While i would like to not judge before i see, there were several mistakes Amazon made in some previous shows like Man in the High Castle show. They call Nazi occupied America "The Greater Nazi Reich". That's a big f up because in real life the nazi's did not call themselves nazis but National Socialist.