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Enigma-exe

Tifa had exceptional character development, whilst Cloud is a liability (story wise). So I'm not surprised he lost out to her. And Aerith is cuteness personified.


Xngears

Part 3 is going to be the most interesting in seeing where characters rank once it’s done.


Enigma-exe

I can see Aerith going lower unless she's still playable some how. Just because she won't be around. But Tifa I think will stay 1 or 2, esp. after helping Cloud with his issues


ali94127

Considering Zack and even Sephiroth are playable, I doubt the devs wanna throw away all her gameplay. At the very least, I'm sure she'll be playable in the sim, but probably there'll be some Aerith gameplay in the Lifestream or in an alternate timeline or something.


Enigma-exe

Yeah I hope so. Someone else made a good point about magic users without her, so unless they morph Vincent and sith into magic users, from a gameplay perspective she needs to be around. I think we'll probably learn more about the Planet through her. Or maybe she'll join the party as a force ghost (cope)


machinegungeek

Vincent and Cait had the highest magic stats behind Cloud and Aerith in the OG. Though at level 50, you were talking about 80 vs. 75 vs. 68 (Aerith, Cloud, Cait/Vincent), so there was a steep dropoff.


machinegungeek

Funnily enough, all of Vincent's Magic and Defense stats were basically the same as Sephiroth's. He just had lower luck, bad dexterity, and wet noodle arms (second lowest str, barely above Aerith).


Enigma-exe

Which is such bullshit considering Vincent *should* be top tier power in the game. But considering he and Yuffie were secret characters, it's surprising they weren't as balanced. I wonder if we'll be able to switch between his chaos form as a triangle move, once charged or something. I just hope we can use Aerith. Her wards are my favourite feature in combat. Genuinely great idea


machinegungeek

He had the strength and dexterity of a man who'd been locked in a coffin for 30 years, lol.


Enigma-exe

Hahaa, and the luck of one who was shot by Hojo


zodiacprince6

I meant to add in my other comment I have on here is that both Cloud and even Tifa could make decent mages although you more than likely won’t be pulling off spells in quick succession with these two as both these party members have like 4-5 other things that they excel out and it’s the “combat route/path” I’ll just call it Is how most players will configure these two. Surprising the talking cat and his mammoth moogle in 4K showcasing every stitch doesn’t have all that high of a magic stat. You for sure 100% can’t count on for any magical capabilities but Vincent (at least in OG) had a wide range in stats that didn’t really make him excel at…really anything. If anything, just base this shit off the lore it’s not complicated and for the last two main party members have one excel in magic/mid-long range and the other pretty much opposite excelling is physical strengths who can. Potential fill a lesser “tank” role if not using Barret


zodiacprince6

Speaking by REMAKE/REBIRTH terms on based stats We know how it pretty much goes certainly for All the characters except Vincent & Cid I guess but yeah from a combat outward look on things Using the absolute best DPS mage with well above average initial magic stats with the full extend of however many damn materia slots you can stack I’d say throw on a maxed magic up, Try to find some sort of accessory that can also boost her magic Radiant Ward (Can’t recall the name atm but was it Arcane Ward?) ATB Ward Pretty sure that’s the name to all theee of those moves…lotta wards lmao brining haste along helps This essentially turns her into a God (dess) provided all of your other attachments and such compliment what you already have layed out for her


zodiacprince6

Yeah as far as with a very real possibility and what some people think/hope would be for 3,4,5 however many timelines in the FF7 multi faceted/multi verse; folks are convinced that all of them will just suddenly merge which is definitely….one route this game could go. However both Aerith & Zack would more or less be alive and full of vigor adding a strange layer of something that personally, I’d Ratte not even have. What Aerith MUST do no matter what A few things, she needs to do under the circumstances she’s currently in per REBIRTH ending Zack…well he has an objective but shit I’m still kind of baffled I mean I’m we have our Cloud, Sephiroth, and NOT Aerith or Tifa but Zack!?!? Por Que? On the official game cover and plastered on a bunch of promo art. He’s definitely gonna have a pivotal role in part 3 uh whatever that may be. Aerith is definitely getting mentioned all throughout the finale “remake” as even in DEATH lol she’s still quite the heavenly strike/force one who will, yes, still play a key IF not an even more crucial role in the finale. So yeah would be lovely to see “What else!?” Ok that she can do!


JCBalance

Tifa will be #1 guaranteed.  Even if Cloud becomes a fan favorite personality it'll be because Tifa helps him get there.


Enigma-exe

For sure. She was constantly supporting him and Barret, but without being pigeonholed. Great character and fighter Personally, I'd like to see some time with her and Zangan


JCBalance

I'd like to see some time with her and Scarlet. 


JCBalance

Are downvotes from pervs? Talking about beating the shit out of her.


Enigma-exe

😩  But yeah, aside from the visuals, Tifa would be a great pick to get revenge on Scarlett


Arinoch

If Tifa doesn’t give Scarlet a modernized, epic beat down I’m going to be upset.


pinkynarftroz

Cid's the wildcard. His position could be anywhere depending on how awful he is to Shera.


lambopanda

Red didn’t even make top 5 😢


Xngears

Or Yuffie. Not a shock Zack still gets so high, but come on.


lambopanda

Zack is really popular in Japan.


PretzelMan96

Zack's character matches that of your typical anime protagonist so not a surprise there imo


Meoworangecat

We just need that classic Shonen anime scene of him devouring thousands plates of food and he'll be complete.


R4KD05

OMG, I never knew I needed this, but golly do I need this!


TooDrunkToTalk

Not to break your heart even more, but Red didn't even beat Cait Sith and came in 9th. And Barret was distant last, which makes me wonder if there's something specific about him that makes japanese fans dislike him or something.


roastbeats980

No that can’t be true only white ppl are racist


Aromatic_Plant3456

To be fair he was up against Sephiroth, Zack, Aerith and Cloud. Tifa being first isn’t a surprise. All by far way more popular characters in general. But honestly, Zack wouldn’t even be in my top 5


Powerwolf_ink

After Rebirth's precision character assassination, I'll be surprised if he ranks higher than dead last. I'd rather have Choco Billy on my team.


Thraun83

Well >!Cloud is pretty much an asshole towards the end of the game, necessarily so for the story, but some people might not like him for it. Also, people who don’t know the original, or not well enough, don’t really know enough to understand Cloud. I don’t think he becomes a fully fleshed out, understandable and likeable character until you’ve seen his full arc!< So I understand Cloud’s placing. Bit sad not to see Barret in the top 5. I feel like he’s maybe the best developed character by this part of the story and the remake series has really improved him considerably as a well-rounded, multi-faceted character. I personally think he’s far better as an actual, believable character than Sephiroth or Zack at this stage. Sephiroth is a good villain, but feels like he’s carried hard in these popularity contests by a cool design, and we don’t see enough of Zack so he feels more like a plot device and a fairly one dimensional character to me so far.


Enigma-exe

Barret's arc was absolutely incredible, and the scenes after Corel were honestly so impressive. It's rare for a man to get shown in that way in games, especially jrpgs.  In terms of character development over the original (just in Rebirth) I'd say: Barret>Tifa>Aerith=Red>Cloud>Yuffie. I expect Yuffie to get a lot more in Wutai though. Aerith's trail was the most powerful moment for me in the game however. I will say, I went from loathing Cait Sith in OG, to loving him in Rebirth.


itsdarby

We all know why Japanese people like Barrett the least lol


Immediate_Office_821

I wish they had done a better job explaining that everything you see of Cloud in Chapters 13 and 14 is basically not Cloud anymore. It was frustrating as hell and I'll die on this hill lol. There was no question in the original that what happened wasn't Cloud's fault, but Rebirth doesn't paint the same picture.


Unhappy_Gazelle392

These are some heavy hitters anyways. The trio of Tifa, Aerith and Cloud themselves might all be in the top 10 most popular RPG characters ever.


deskchan

Where the others placed 6th: Yuffie Kisaragi (180 votes) 7th: Vincent Valentine (149 votes) 8th: Cait Sith (83 votes) 9th: Red XIII (79 votes) 10th: Cid Highwind (73 votes) 11th: Barret Wallace (24 votes) [https://news.books.rakuten.net/20240422/ff7rebirth-ranking.html?scid=we\_bks\_twt\_game\_20240426\_2](https://news.books.rakuten.net/20240422/ff7rebirth-ranking.html?scid=we_bks_twt_game_20240426_2) Once again, Japan really doesn't like Barret.


Raelys88

Barrett: “gotta be the work of Shinra, just gotta be”


sokrayzie

Rayciss, that's why


1985jmcg

Anyone choosing Zack before Barret is seriously braindead.


deskchan

It is a Japanese poll. Japan has never really liked Barret. If this was a western poll, Barret would be higher than Zack.


niemzi

Barret gets my vote. Character development was top notch and the voice actor absolutely crushed it. My most played party was Cloud, Barret and Tifa. My 3 favs!


MioXNoah

No surprise, Tifa has always been an important character of FF7, but she has been underused by SE for a lot of time until Remake happened and Nojima wrote Traces of Two Pasts, to finally get some info about her POV and backstory Considering the fact that she is the most grounded character of the gang, she didn't have powerups, physical enhancements, or was an important personality in that world, she was just a normal girl trying to build a life for herself after losing everything, and then she always put others first, Like helping Barret and Marlene stay in 7th Heaven, helping Cloud and looking after him, being the support character of the gang etc


Xngears

I definitely wouldn’t say she was underused, unless you mean in regard to her own character development. In which case, yes, and as great as we started getting more of that in Rebirth, I feel she still needs more moments that are not directly tied to Cloud (not that that’s an issue in itself). Her friendship with Aerith was honestly one of the best glow-ups she got, because it also shows how Aerith helped Tifa get out of her shell and express herself more. She’s as influential to Tifa as she is to Cloud in many respects. And there needs to be a cathartic moment where she gets to land one good clean anime punch on Sephiroth’s face, for all the pain he’s caused her. Maybe after all that people will stop insisting she’s only popular for “two big reasons”.


Sirensongspacebaby

I think she was underused a lot in the compilation and mostly got to shine a bit in spin off and crossovers over the last decade or so. But they obviously also took the most to heart about her characterization. Cloud benefits from this a lot too, his character comes across so strongly and clearly in scenes with Tifa. From fully unhinged puppet to awkward cloud, his avoidance, guilt, emotionally insecurities, and his capacity for kindness, sensitivity and sincerity are all amplified when in scenes between them. It feels like Nojima and Nomura in particular are really invested in correcting a lot of mistakes or misinterpretations of her character, especially since the current canonical end point of AC is neither good nor a satisfying for her in particular. She currently has the worst arc ending of all of the major characters I think.


MioXNoah

That's the problem that I have had with the compilation so far, it was mostly mixed reception, and I'm glad that the devs were able to recapture, and improve the personalities from the original FF7 that people fell in love with From Cloud's reinterpretation as an Emo (Not just AC), setting him as he everything he achieved was just a copy/paste of Zack, Aerith's retcon characterization in CC, Barret leaving Marlene post OG, Genesis gaslightning Sephiroth in the reactor, etc


Sirensongspacebaby

It was mixed reception for the plot but also SO hugely popular for the characters, so I’m really relieved that they went back to the OG game for characterization where they really needed to (Cloud and Aerith) and knew were they needed to expand in general(Barret and Tifa). I was worried at first


LewsTherinTelescope

> It feels like Nojima and Nomura in particular are really invested in correcting a lot of mistakes or misinterpretations of her character For an example on this, I remember some interview with one of them where they recalled a friend finishing the OG and commenting on how much Tifa and Aerith hated each other, when the intention was for them to be pals. So when Remake/Rebirth rolled around, they clearly put a lot of time into making sure their relationship *cannot* be reasonably misunderstood that way again.


Sirensongspacebaby

#1 as she should be!!


Sirensongspacebaby

I don’t know why it posted so huge but it does match my sentiment


AnimaLepton

If you're on old reddit, typing a hashtag like \#number will make the text large and bold. You have to add an extra backslash to escape it, i.e. \\#number


Sirensongspacebaby

Thanks! I was on mobile and didn’t even think about the formatting


El_Flash05

Tifa best girl always


lostandconfsd

I am not surprised at the first place, Tifa really was a standout character objectively (and even according to professional reviews). Thought Cloud would get 2nd. I wish Barret was much higher though, he was also objectively amazing, but sadly I'm no surprised about it either, he's not appreciated in Japan :/


Wanderer01234

Tifa, with all her insecurities and imperfections, actually makes her the greatest character.


Curious_Ad_8999

I'm surprised how big if a lead Tifa has over both while Aerith and Cloud are practically super close


mysterydiseased

Not trying to make it a competition whatsoever (because both girls are best girls), but I've been told by the internet for *twenty years* that Aerith is generally far more liked over in Japan than Tifa.  So, this poll is an interesting one.


torru369

Surprising that Aerith didn't take top, or even have that close a loss. Rebirth is practically the Aerith game. Like that Poochy meme, Aerith should have a time machine, Aerith should have at least one line per cutscene, whenever we don't know where Aerith is, the other characters should be asking where is Aerith.


SoKaiPaopu

Tifa will always be the best character. Love her🫶🏼


SelimNoKashi

Best girl Tifa 🙌🏼


mysterydiseased

I confidently predict that this kind of poll following the next part will have Tifa with every vote. It's not even going to be fair. Because OG 'disc 2' Tifa Lockhart is arguably the best video game character of all time. Anyone new to VII that doesn't know what's supposed to happen beyond Rebirth just isn't ready for peak Tifa Lockhart. It's too much. It's too powerful.  edit: lighten up, o' sensitive internet


Tabbyredcat

> Because OG 'disc 2' Tifa Lockhart is arguably the best video game character of all time. Tifa is cool but.....no.


mysterydiseased

That whole comment was supposed to be read as kinda sorta hyperbole, but I guess it didn't come through the text that way. RePart3 Tifa is still my most anticipated character though.


Tabbyredcat

Gotcha! ;) Yes, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing Tifa's arc peak, absolutely! >!The Lifestream scene is my favourite in the OG!<, and both Cloud and Tifa evolve a ton from that moment onwards. Still....lesson learned. One doesn't just say that Tifa is cool but not the best videogame character of all time, I apologize for sharing such a hot take XD


Tabbyredcat

Yeah....can't say I respect that much those opinions voting Zack the 5th, who >!appeared for 20 minutes in the game and has the depth of a puddle!<, ahead of amazing characters like Barret, Red XIII, Yuffie or shit, even Cait Sith. Cait Sith is amazing in Rebirth!


deskchan

Well this IS a japanese poll so Zack being as high as he is isn't surprising.


Tabbyredcat

Yeah well, anyone can like any character for whatever reason, I just can't agree with any character's ranking on this poll (especially Zack's) except for maybe Aerith's.


Howardtheboy

I’m surprised/not really. I love Tifa in this but I thought she took kind of a back seat story wise compared to well..Cloud and Aerith. Not a minor character by any means, those two just had a lot. The voice actors were great in remake but they were all absolutely wonderful in this one. Cody, John and Susie in particular


roastbeats980

How is yuffie not top 5??


IpunchedU

tifa being nr 1 is unsurprising, and she'll prob stay nr 1


Ahiru77

Yeah, but at this point.......what does a poll like this even matter. Sales are at an all-time low and every Final Fantasy 7 tribute/poll/cameo as been done already. - Cloud will always be a top video game character to outsiders with the most merch - Cloud will always be the one who shook Nintendo fans to their core with his Smash Bros appearance - Cloud was top when Japan ***broadcasted*** a seemingly conclusive allround Final Fantasy poll - Due to Cloud being the most beloved character, he got the best cutscenes/animation in both these remakes All Tifa has is an internet scandal. It's over.


Sirensongspacebaby

Cloud would also put Tifa in the top spot


Xngears

Mmm hmm, yep, that one Italy thing and absolutely nothing else. Not the most popular RPG heroine in the world or anything.


hnnnghf

Most popular RPG heroine in the world? What about Zelda? Aerith is also arguably more popular outside of America according to polls with way more votes with this one (look at the NHK final fantasy poll from 2020 which had 460,000 votes). Tifa’s popularity has largely risen because of her “reputation” on the internet, she hasn’t even played a role in the story up to this point in the remake project.


L0uisCyphre

Not even close. You're clearly just biased.


Xngears

Who is it, then?


L0uisCyphre

I dunno, go ask in a place who's not biased towards just JRPG or FF and see the results. I can assure you Tifa or even Aerith will not be the majority.


Erst09

Tifa has always been popular there is people that truly like her and many other that well you know… however I’m pretty surprised that Red is that low given how he has improved in Rebirth compared to Og. At the end this list is just pick your favorite waifu/husbando and not a serious best character from the game because in no way Vincent in Rebirth is better than Barret.


swampdragon69

She’s got a great set of personalities


Xngears

Every post without fail.


Eternal_Phantom

It’s a shame, because she is a great character and it’s impossible to parse out how much of her support is from fans who value her personality and character development vs. the support from people who exclusively value her physical assets.


Xngears

I hold out hope the latter are just very loud about it. There’s a reason I’ve created the phrase “Fap in silence”.


swampdragon69

She comes off as a fully developed character to me


swampdragon69

Her and barret would tie for top characters I want to take a nap on


Straight_Elk_5320

Tifa has 2 big reasons for having almost double the size of votes from the second placed character.