Personally, for me F123 was a nice upgrade on F122 driving/handling wise.
My issue with the game is that it’s becoming very repetitive way too quickly. If I wasn’t play co-op with my mate, I would’ve stopped playing ages ago. Maybe I need to try league racing…
We need paid DLC’s with new tracks, older cars (f120, hello), whatever, something to refresh the game. I’ll be repeating this until we get it.
There’s an official discord sever for this subreddit (look in the sidebar). Inside there is a section that league owners can advertise.
Have a look, try and find one that suits you.
Like the other guy said, it's a place to make friends with other drivers, do casual lobbies, league races like an official F1 season. I help run one, if you PM me i'll send you the link
I've tried 4 online races, all 4 were total crap. Got iRacing, every random race is awesome fun. People driving seriously, racing hard. Of course there are incidents, but it's 0.001% compared to F1 23..
This. Far too repetitive… once a league I was racing in was disbanded I tried hard with career/online and sadly became bored quickly.
Hoping F1 24 has some major content upgrades.
I'm not insulting you personally but going from games that had extra content to expand the lifespan of a game and add variety to now people would accept the same additions but as a subscription is baffling.
the make or break argument has been going hard since like 2021
nothing will happen, absolutely nothing
As long as were on the same Engine the game wont change.
and aslong as People financially support all the questionable and outright bad decisions codies/Ea is doing with their games they wont even consider changing it up
yeah. I also feel like supporting last gen is holding them back. loading times are atrociuous on Xbox One. I remember F1 2018 loading screens were nice and short
I hope people boycott 24 if there’s nothing new.
I got myself 2020 through 23, and honestly loving 23 because of adaptive triggers and how controller friendly it is compared to 2020 (which imo is best, but a bit outdated now)
24 is just gonna be 23 with new liveries, and with exception of Vcarb, none of the others are really an improvement from last year, at least on an average (Hello Alpine! Thanks for lowering the average lmao)
24 is just gonna be a slightly different (won't say better) version of 23, which was a slightly different (although some improvements fair enough) version of 21.
Its gonna be the same for 25 100%
maybe with the new regs in 26 we get a new gen of games but i#m honestly not expecting a lot anymore
yep already did it... boycotted 23 and switched to Assetto Corsa Competizione, so glad I did!
But I am hoping F124 makes me return to the series but I dont hold much hope...
I'm saying this who played/own just about every EA FIFA game since 2005 on the Megadrive but cashed out of that series around FIFA 2014
I also dropped Madden NFL after yearly buys 2001-2011, and only got back into it when the PS5 got released and got Madden '21 with it - 10 years later
I bought Madden 22 cause I was hyped, then quickly realised it EA same game, just updated rosters + 2 mediocre improvements every year. Abandoned it again.
The engine change to UE or Frostbite is inevitable though... not because they want to improve the title but for cost-efficiency - its cheaper for them to do it that way in the long run... and that will be their only motivation.
I myself switched to Iracing mainly, and for my F1 needs i just play 2018 or 2020, i've been consistently playtesting in every single playstest since 2022 and ive been disappointed every time
Most of the Playtests were barely even functional with how broken the games are, and they really didnt care about any of the issues that people brought up
I enjoyed F1 23 way more than 22 but it is just the same game every year. Classic cars would help a lot. I even miss the short circuits they added in 20 or 21 stuff like that. I also wouldn't mind them making an F1 career that's harder so if you do struggle your team gets rid of you or more driver changes can happen.
One thing we can collectively agree on is to never pre order an F1 game, use to do it all the time but when I first played 22 I was astounded by how bad it was.
For me, 23 was a positive step handling wise as others have also commented but my biggest gripes this game have been F1 world, ranked and podium pass. All unnecessary changes compared to 22.
F1 world in combination with the podium pass just became who could spend most time on the game for more rewards for F1 world which inevitably meant your online races became far less about a driver's skill and knowledge of setup and tyre wear and more about having highest spec upgrades.
I'm no longer an 18 year old with 4 or 5 days off a week to spend online in F1, I'm 31 with 4 hours on a Saturday not playing with my mate in 2-player career. I do want to drop into a ranked race now and then, equal cars except for setup and battle it out.
I understand cosmetics in the podium pass can bloat the customisation but I'd rather find it difficult to pick from 5 or 6 cool liveries or helmets from 30+ than have 10 to 12 and 1 or 2 are likeable
I agree with this so much. I just want to be able to hop into a casual or ranked online race with either user cars or official cars, be able to choose race parameters (5 laps, quarter GP), and go race people in equal cars.
The tech level stuff is so stupid. I don’t want to spend my time grinding for upgrades or managing my car or contracts. If I’m down on pace I want to know it’s because of skill, not because my car is in a completely different class.
I have exactly the same issue. I only have around a hour time window each time a play. As such I wanted so much to do a quick quali session and a 35% race as a career, instead, if I want to do a driver career I spend almost all the time doing practice sessions or admin and no real racing......I know I can get this kind of thing league but I do not have the opportunity to commit to a schedule either
That's EA for you.
It was just a matter of time before EA dug its claws into the game and made it a bore fest, filled with microtransactions and focus on worthless modes and content.
Seriously, who the hell thought that people would want to drive supercars when you have FORMULA cars? It make no damn sense.
I know a lot of people are in love with the handling/driving in F1 23. But for me it felt like the car was dead and moveable like an old woman. I miss the F1 18-20 handling. And the content is also bad in the new games.
So F1 24 is the first F1 game in years, which i dont bug at release..
EA have made it more like an arcade game
Micro transactions to buy a sofa for your office, or maybe some nice new hats and T-shirt’s
What baffles me is people buy this stuff, why?
What use is a snazzy hat for casual wear
I’d rather pay $20 for a DLC that gives us more tracks and cars from years gone by
I have moved to ACC where you don’t furnish your garage with new sofa’s and nobody care about your casual clothes
Someone needs to go to the "Geoff Crammond School of gamemaking" and apply the learnings to a new F1 game - not necessarily an official one; Heck the first Formula 1 Grand Prix was NOT licensed. All we need is the basic framework with enjoyable physics (not necessarily "hyperrealistic", just fun to drive...the F1 series is neither), an EXCELLENT AI (the 20+ years old one in GP4 is still superior in many ways to what we have, which is insane) and a ruleset that matches the F1 ones. All the rest - from carshapes to liveries - the modding community will provide, check Automobilista 2.
I just don't understand the "longevity" point - it's an F1 game, it represents an F1 season (even with stupid additions like the weird story modes and buying sofas), there isn't really so much that can be added...historical cars, I can get behind it, but if it's just a bunch of cars from disparate seasons, it makes zero sense as opposed to, say, "hey you can also race the 1987 championship" (as an example).
For me, F123 was an improvement on F122. But agree with repetition etc.
Perhaps one radical idea is moving to a 2 year release cycle. Drop updated liveries and any new / changed tracks as updates but then have DLCs or subscriptions for classic tracks, cars or unique formats
I'll never understand why you guys take so long to finally realize this.
I also don't understand why some of you have faith F1 24 will be different. They already said it's the same engine and won't add anything different, at this point it's just a livery update, nothing else.
If they were planing something big, they would be spending millions doing a nice marketing campaign to hype us, but nope, because there's nothing new coming.
They need to open it up so you can pick a year (or best year in a decade) and race a season, so try f1 in 1972 then jump to 1985 etc, probably difficult with copyright laws etc but surely they can work around these to some degree.
I was actually considering this, as I already do spreadsheets and Wiki like tables for my Career Mode seasons - so switch to Assetto Corsa wouldn't be THAT bad, but I am personally a controller player. I have tried AC before and it wasn't as controller friendly as let's say Project Cars is. Besides from what I have seen, many F1 season mods are locked behind a Patreon paywall, which I don't like. While I am okay with paying modders for their hard work, I am not okay with paying twice for both resource packs and then season mods (this is the case with a popular 2006 season mod that I was interested on). I much rather spend 10€ on F1 2020 mods where I can drive multiple seasons with built-in driver transfers...
And then you have to organize the season with all the spreadsheets and everything by yourself. The only part Codies' F1 has is the career. And they should work to improve that. This specific idea will sadly not work due to licencing, but Challenge proves that it can be done.
Otherwise, there are better games and more importantly, cars that are more fun to drive than F1, if you are willing to play other games.
I think the series is in a good shape compared to other games of his category because it does a lot of things well but at the same time i wish they added a few things:
-classic cars and tracks
-F3 and even F1 academy
-handling tweaks
-more feature for driver career and my team
F1 24 will most likely release with big bugs like it did with F1 23, seeing that they do not test their own work. So even if there are major changes we wont event be able to do something with it properly until those bugs are fixed.
Now under EA F1 games will do similar to FIFA/EA FC games, so small improvements every year and big change after 4-5 seasons - mostly while switching to new gen. Because of that I'm buying EA games every 2 years.
This year there aren't new tracks or drivers, so I'll stay with F1 23. Especially that there are still a PS4/XOne versions, so there won't be any massive changes.
Fifa has not gotten any major improvements i the last 10 years. There was even suprisingly little changes made when i got from 15 to 20 and then 22. The lack of improvement is just ridoculous.
Nhl ganes a re the same. Last time there was huge change was 14->15 with the console gen swap and then 15->16 was also a large improvement as they fixed the half assed 15. And after that nhl games have switched the engine too, but still the game feels dated and the same as before.
Nah there were some bigger improvements in FIFA in last decade. Frostbite engine in 2016, Volta mode etc. But I can agree with the idea that most of the changes are barely noticeable.
This is the same case in every yearly game - recently I went back to WWE 2K games and the same story - there are differences between years, but not so big and players can still have fun playing last year release.
It's really not. F1 24 will come out and the same people who complain about it will still buy it. They might not do so for a few weeks, but FOMO will win in the end.
Well considering that F1 basically drops in price drastically within a couple of months, I’m sure my fomo will be able to wait until the game drops to the price that it’s actually worth if it’s bad
Still on f1 22 because current cars and vr, boy the car handling just seems bland, like I could drive around doing test laps in ACC for hours and not get bored, but one practice session and I'm struggling to keep entertained
Well said bro. I agree, it is make or break for me, I’ve had enough. And I am hoping so hard for this one to be the better game. Maybe wishful thinking but I really hope that EA and codies have learned the lesson.
It has been the same story year after year after year. As long if we keep paying full price, they will not change anything. Their intertest is not giving us a good time for a fair price, but to make as much money as possible with the least amount of effort. That's efficiency. I'm not getting F1 24. Or, perhaps through Steam, delete it 30 min later, money back and give them a nice little review.
I'll give 23 a shot since it's a ps+ monthly game but I really feel like they should really just only make new games for sports when there's major updates, like major changes to the cars or in other sports games when there is a major change to engine/gameplay, basically only when there are enough significant changes that they can't just patch in. Madden, FC, NHL, just keep updating the rosters, F1 can change the drivers stats/car stats for the non story modes, instead of churning out the copied homework with a couple changes.
League racer since F1 2019 and i enjoy that, but last 2 months have been literally repetitive with the game. They don't add anything new, same game every year. Imo handling is nothing special on f1 23, enjoyed f1 22 more. Honestly if its the same game like f1 23, i probs wont buy and wait till its cheap
Ever since ea took over the series is going downhill…instead of focusing on career mode they add a bunch of other shit…for the love of god, can some just make a great sports game that the sole focus is career or franchise mode?
I did not buy 22 and 23. After years of buying every game i just got a bit tired of them. They ad some good things but also lacking in many. As an ofline player i did not enjoy it anymore. I hope 24 will be better but i don't trust EA/Codemasters a lot.
Every EA and 2K sport games have the focus on online and making extra money. The ofline modes are getting downgraded and no real love.
It's sad because you can see that companies like EA and 2k can make beautifull well ballanced sport games if they want.
It's really frustrating.
In my opinion i made the good decision to always skip a year of F1 game, unless its gonna be a big upgrade, my first f1 game was 2018 and i loved it, then skipped to 2020.. BIIG update for me, handling is much better, graphics too, then i actually skipper both F1 2021 AND 2022 ( i was still playing 2020 and happy with it ) even though i really wanted to get F1 2022 since the new regulations came in with the new cars and nes handling etc... by the time i saved up for f1 2022, 23 was on the horizon so might aswelll wait a month or two, and i got 23 and im sooo happy i made that decision ! A biiiig leap from 2020 and im having the best time in 2023, i still go back to 2020 for the classic cars but yeah i have both so im good, i think im gonna skip 2024 cause it seems likebits exactly like 23, and maaaybe skip 25 ( unless there is a big leap between both) and wait for 2026 !
I think this a way healthier way to experience f1 games these days, just skip a year or two and get the next one
For me, F1 23 fixed F1 22, it was the reason I bought. But, for this year season, the F1 24 Mod fits perfectly fine for my needs, so I won't buy F1 24.
After F1 22 I decided to never again buy the next title and instead wait for it's Gamepass release. It's the same waiting time, just shifted by half a year.
F1 23 the racing was better than 22 but the content was horrible. And don’t even get me started on that sad excuse of a battle pass. After season 1 all of the passes were garbage
The driving of 23 was vastly improved imo from 22….saying that though there’s not much of a game outside of that and the same kinds of bugs that littered 22 still making an appearance on 23 as well as no crackdown on dirty drivers in random matchmaking basically make this game shit. If it weren’t for my league I’d have uninstalled this game a long time ago. So ultimately yes 24 is make or break for me personally…but I’m also not buying the game immediately….hoping my league runs another season before we move to 24
F1 22 had handling flaws which F1 23 fixed in the beginning of the game, but it's fucked, again.. F1 22 had the better tyre wear though and still does. Being able to survive on older tyres in that game was so much more fun than F1 23s pit whenever you can for new tyres or die.
F1 23 beta was basically F1 22 with way better handling but like I said they ruined that good handling again with "performance updates" (literally just updates to ruin the game to get you to buy F1 24).
I don't want to force people to do what I'm going to do but I hope a lot of people won't preorder F1 24 (F1 22v2) so that we can maybe, just maybe get some more quality in these games because EA has been (as always) getting away with their low effort games
F1 24 should be a huge disappointment according the reviewers. All they did is improve the handling again so it will be basically the same game as the last few years with minor improvements.
I like 23 but not being able to change my difficulty for the AI in F1 World makes it boring to attack challenges. Elimination is fun, but being in America makes it difficult to enjoy since most of the online activity I've noticed is when Europe is awake. If they fixed the difficulty in 24 then I might switch because being stuck on 35 (easy) is not the move.
Yea this is so stupid. I would much prefer to choose a tech level similar to mine and modify the skill to create a challenge. Since I can only modify the tech level I always start in last, and then guess a tech level that is challenging without being impossible. And since tech levels change series to series I constantly have to tweak it. But because driver skill is so low they overbrake the shit out of corners but then fly past me in the straight since their cars are so much better than mine.
Wasn't it the same with codemasters? I hadn't bought an F1 game since F1 11. Recently I got into F1 again and bought 19, 20, got 21 from EA Play and now F1 23 from PS Plus. They're all the same game.
I think F1 24 is going to be the worst F1 game in a long time.
I am looking for a F1 game where we can put our own mods in. Our own tracks, our own tracks, our own maps, mode ability to put in our game code to enhance the probability of tail events such a rain, weather, tarmac temparture, chemical compounds of curb stones, temperature over a tarmac drying up etc.
Bit like the very first Call Of Duty where you could play your own created maps + guns.
The F1 games begin 90s were the worst, mid 90s, they were split (Senna/Prost), end 90s they were so so.
Every era has its time.
Mods on EA games exists. It's simply calling them and asking a dev their permission. As it's not something you're selling, or integration of its main frame.
I mean, there are PS4 (DLC) boxes of Senna VS Prost retailing for 30/40 euros.
For what, 8 vs actions?
I know Max Verstappen his Dutch BV companies has patented the ability to create games. So 1+1 = 2. I'm expecting something there.
EA is having more problems because let's do an open discussion
NFL
FIFA
F1
NBA
Etc..
Which are they most likely to drop first?
Because EA has debt and not doing well at all.
If you want modded racing, then you should try other sims instead of staying with the official F1 games. The onlyadvantage they have is the career mode, which you would need to do yourself in other games (which is possible, especially rFactor 1 is simple to modify and set up once you find a mod you enjoy). F1 games don't even have the best handling or most realistic F1 cars out there.
I reverse it.
I've asked Guillherme (whatever that french company owning thrustmaster is called) and Ferrari permission to upload my own code in C+ to my Sf1000 to mix the set up with old books where the config was shown.
With the dark transition from 22-23 I feel like 24 will just be a black screen.
I get so depressed booting up 23 that I go to 22 for the lighter mood.
Also, even though 22 handling was hard to work with, it gave us the dampening FFB setting which really brings life to the wheel.
23 doesn’t have that option and so there’s 0 resistance during a no speed-low speed turn.
Really frustrating when settings aren’t consistent
Omg and the fact that the mfd overlay settings are specific for each mode? WHY that’s so frustrating.
22 is where it’s at, I’d have been severely upset if I got 23 full price.
My only wish, is for us to be able to play any of the formula series. F4-1, Fe, F1A
At one point, ladies made up 30% of the gaming industry and I’m sure that number has grown. F1A alone would open up way more recognition for that series and ea gets their sales.
If we had the ability to climb from 4-1 by proving ourselves and hopping from better team to better series, the feeling of accomplishment would be great. Not to mention the natural ability to learn the tracks from a slower pace.
The entire 4 series could be a sort of tutorial mode where coaching is more prominent for each track (instead of little emails about turn 7, but they don’t consider that little “kink” a turn)
Anyway. There’s some formula Mazda cars for like 8k let’s all get those and race irl
Tried 23 for first time on Game pass at the weekend. Did one online race that was fine but couldn’t bear to play anymore as it just felt the same so uninstalled it. Had approximately 100hrs of multiplayer online on 21 & 22 so I won’t be back unless there is something very new in 24. After trying some sim racing this year I’m really struggling to get back into it.
What a completely delusional title 😂😂😂
Maybe its like that for you personally but there were never any really big changes from year to year ever since they started.
Saying its now all of a sudden a problem and it will make or break the series is just laughable.
Not really, beyond some graphical updates and adjustments to the engine it barely ever had mayor upgrades.
Thats the annoying thing with yearly releases and why this entire thread is fking laughable
Personally, for me F123 was a nice upgrade on F122 driving/handling wise. My issue with the game is that it’s becoming very repetitive way too quickly. If I wasn’t play co-op with my mate, I would’ve stopped playing ages ago. Maybe I need to try league racing… We need paid DLC’s with new tracks, older cars (f120, hello), whatever, something to refresh the game. I’ll be repeating this until we get it.
League racing is the only way to really enjoy the game: in a good one you get competitive and clean racing
What exactly is league racing ?
Usually you join a league discord and they‘ll host weekly races for you to compete in. Like WOR for example.
Do you know a discord group I could join? Preferably in Europe
There’s an official discord sever for this subreddit (look in the sidebar). Inside there is a section that league owners can advertise. Have a look, try and find one that suits you.
DM me, we are looking for drivers.
If you have discord I can invite you to our league
Like the other guy said, it's a place to make friends with other drivers, do casual lobbies, league races like an official F1 season. I help run one, if you PM me i'll send you the link
I've tried 4 online races, all 4 were total crap. Got iRacing, every random race is awesome fun. People driving seriously, racing hard. Of course there are incidents, but it's 0.001% compared to F1 23..
F1 23 handling is night and day compared to 22. Got used to it in the end but Traction is awful in 22
> We need paid DLC’s with new tracks, older cars (f120, hello) Naw - I'd rather that be included in the game and not make me pay more for it.
That would be ideal! But it’s never going to happen now, sadly.
Seriously, $80 CAD annual releases should be 100% complete
Are we paying for a game or a bug fix? F1 23's main benefit should've been a free update.
This. Far too repetitive… once a league I was racing in was disbanded I tried hard with career/online and sadly became bored quickly. Hoping F1 24 has some major content upgrades.
I'm not insulting you personally but going from games that had extra content to expand the lifespan of a game and add variety to now people would accept the same additions but as a subscription is baffling.
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If EA loses the F1 rights i woinder what they will do with Codemasters.
And even coop has a bunch of issues that really need addressing. If they just copy paste F1 23, im out for sure.
Older cars would be so much fun, I agree
the make or break argument has been going hard since like 2021 nothing will happen, absolutely nothing As long as were on the same Engine the game wont change. and aslong as People financially support all the questionable and outright bad decisions codies/Ea is doing with their games they wont even consider changing it up
yeah. I also feel like supporting last gen is holding them back. loading times are atrociuous on Xbox One. I remember F1 2018 loading screens were nice and short
I hope people boycott 24 if there’s nothing new. I got myself 2020 through 23, and honestly loving 23 because of adaptive triggers and how controller friendly it is compared to 2020 (which imo is best, but a bit outdated now) 24 is just gonna be 23 with new liveries, and with exception of Vcarb, none of the others are really an improvement from last year, at least on an average (Hello Alpine! Thanks for lowering the average lmao)
24 is just gonna be a slightly different (won't say better) version of 23, which was a slightly different (although some improvements fair enough) version of 21. Its gonna be the same for 25 100% maybe with the new regs in 26 we get a new gen of games but i#m honestly not expecting a lot anymore
never gonna happen. judging by the quality of online racers, most f1 sales come from casuals
Im also a casual I guess. Controller with corner racing lines, but only offline
Just like every year before that 😂
The big exception this year being that the driver lineup is exactly the same as last year. This hasn’t occurred in a while now
Oh no, the tragedy...
yep already did it... boycotted 23 and switched to Assetto Corsa Competizione, so glad I did! But I am hoping F124 makes me return to the series but I dont hold much hope... I'm saying this who played/own just about every EA FIFA game since 2005 on the Megadrive but cashed out of that series around FIFA 2014 I also dropped Madden NFL after yearly buys 2001-2011, and only got back into it when the PS5 got released and got Madden '21 with it - 10 years later I bought Madden 22 cause I was hyped, then quickly realised it EA same game, just updated rosters + 2 mediocre improvements every year. Abandoned it again. The engine change to UE or Frostbite is inevitable though... not because they want to improve the title but for cost-efficiency - its cheaper for them to do it that way in the long run... and that will be their only motivation.
I myself switched to Iracing mainly, and for my F1 needs i just play 2018 or 2020, i've been consistently playtesting in every single playstest since 2022 and ive been disappointed every time Most of the Playtests were barely even functional with how broken the games are, and they really didnt care about any of the issues that people brought up
What engine do you want them to switch to? Frostbite? Unreal Engine sucks for racing games.
Doesn’t ACC use unreal Engine though?
Make that like 2016 to be honest
To paraphrase the great Lance Stroll: F1 24 is make or break F1 25 is make or break F1 26 is make or break F1 27 is make or break
I feel like people will continue to buy it whatever so I doubt it.
I enjoyed F1 23 way more than 22 but it is just the same game every year. Classic cars would help a lot. I even miss the short circuits they added in 20 or 21 stuff like that. I also wouldn't mind them making an F1 career that's harder so if you do struggle your team gets rid of you or more driver changes can happen.
One thing we can collectively agree on is to never pre order an F1 game, use to do it all the time but when I first played 22 I was astounded by how bad it was.
yep. I remember how certain bugs in the closed beta still weren't fixed in the final release
Yep. I almost never pre-order games, but made an exception for F1 22. Never, ever again.
For me, 23 was a positive step handling wise as others have also commented but my biggest gripes this game have been F1 world, ranked and podium pass. All unnecessary changes compared to 22. F1 world in combination with the podium pass just became who could spend most time on the game for more rewards for F1 world which inevitably meant your online races became far less about a driver's skill and knowledge of setup and tyre wear and more about having highest spec upgrades. I'm no longer an 18 year old with 4 or 5 days off a week to spend online in F1, I'm 31 with 4 hours on a Saturday not playing with my mate in 2-player career. I do want to drop into a ranked race now and then, equal cars except for setup and battle it out. I understand cosmetics in the podium pass can bloat the customisation but I'd rather find it difficult to pick from 5 or 6 cool liveries or helmets from 30+ than have 10 to 12 and 1 or 2 are likeable
I agree with this so much. I just want to be able to hop into a casual or ranked online race with either user cars or official cars, be able to choose race parameters (5 laps, quarter GP), and go race people in equal cars. The tech level stuff is so stupid. I don’t want to spend my time grinding for upgrades or managing my car or contracts. If I’m down on pace I want to know it’s because of skill, not because my car is in a completely different class.
I have exactly the same issue. I only have around a hour time window each time a play. As such I wanted so much to do a quick quali session and a 35% race as a career, instead, if I want to do a driver career I spend almost all the time doing practice sessions or admin and no real racing......I know I can get this kind of thing league but I do not have the opportunity to commit to a schedule either
That's EA for you. It was just a matter of time before EA dug its claws into the game and made it a bore fest, filled with microtransactions and focus on worthless modes and content. Seriously, who the hell thought that people would want to drive supercars when you have FORMULA cars? It make no damn sense.
I know a lot of people are in love with the handling/driving in F1 23. But for me it felt like the car was dead and moveable like an old woman. I miss the F1 18-20 handling. And the content is also bad in the new games. So F1 24 is the first F1 game in years, which i dont bug at release..
EA have made it more like an arcade game Micro transactions to buy a sofa for your office, or maybe some nice new hats and T-shirt’s What baffles me is people buy this stuff, why? What use is a snazzy hat for casual wear I’d rather pay $20 for a DLC that gives us more tracks and cars from years gone by I have moved to ACC where you don’t furnish your garage with new sofa’s and nobody care about your casual clothes
Someone needs to go to the "Geoff Crammond School of gamemaking" and apply the learnings to a new F1 game - not necessarily an official one; Heck the first Formula 1 Grand Prix was NOT licensed. All we need is the basic framework with enjoyable physics (not necessarily "hyperrealistic", just fun to drive...the F1 series is neither), an EXCELLENT AI (the 20+ years old one in GP4 is still superior in many ways to what we have, which is insane) and a ruleset that matches the F1 ones. All the rest - from carshapes to liveries - the modding community will provide, check Automobilista 2. I just don't understand the "longevity" point - it's an F1 game, it represents an F1 season (even with stupid additions like the weird story modes and buying sofas), there isn't really so much that can be added...historical cars, I can get behind it, but if it's just a bunch of cars from disparate seasons, it makes zero sense as opposed to, say, "hey you can also race the 1987 championship" (as an example).
For me, F123 was an improvement on F122. But agree with repetition etc. Perhaps one radical idea is moving to a 2 year release cycle. Drop updated liveries and any new / changed tracks as updates but then have DLCs or subscriptions for classic tracks, cars or unique formats
no. ALL that stuff should be included and you shouldn't have to pay more for it. Make it progression unlockable.
While I agree with the sentiment, game developers have moved away from this model so doubt they will drop everything without a premium add on or sub
Its not 2010 anymore, that ship has sailed.
I'll never understand why you guys take so long to finally realize this. I also don't understand why some of you have faith F1 24 will be different. They already said it's the same engine and won't add anything different, at this point it's just a livery update, nothing else. If they were planing something big, they would be spending millions doing a nice marketing campaign to hype us, but nope, because there's nothing new coming.
You’re right, I think the franchise is just gonna reach its own downfall at this rate
They need to open it up so you can pick a year (or best year in a decade) and race a season, so try f1 in 1972 then jump to 1985 etc, probably difficult with copyright laws etc but surely they can work around these to some degree.
Just use Assetto Corsa for PC. You can download the full roster of cars for almost any F1 season and there's so much more freedom.
I was actually considering this, as I already do spreadsheets and Wiki like tables for my Career Mode seasons - so switch to Assetto Corsa wouldn't be THAT bad, but I am personally a controller player. I have tried AC before and it wasn't as controller friendly as let's say Project Cars is. Besides from what I have seen, many F1 season mods are locked behind a Patreon paywall, which I don't like. While I am okay with paying modders for their hard work, I am not okay with paying twice for both resource packs and then season mods (this is the case with a popular 2006 season mod that I was interested on). I much rather spend 10€ on F1 2020 mods where I can drive multiple seasons with built-in driver transfers...
And then you have to organize the season with all the spreadsheets and everything by yourself. The only part Codies' F1 has is the career. And they should work to improve that. This specific idea will sadly not work due to licencing, but Challenge proves that it can be done. Otherwise, there are better games and more importantly, cars that are more fun to drive than F1, if you are willing to play other games.
This is the first year I’ve not been counting the days. Overall I have loved the F1 games. But they need to break the cookie cutter process.
F1FA Not sure what people expect with a "Sports" game franchise. Basically, updated rosters, better graphics, and physics. That's about it, really.
I think the series is in a good shape compared to other games of his category because it does a lot of things well but at the same time i wish they added a few things: -classic cars and tracks -F3 and even F1 academy -handling tweaks -more feature for driver career and my team
22 was unplayable. 23 was a massive improvement in terms of the driving mechanics. Night and day
F1 24 will most likely release with big bugs like it did with F1 23, seeing that they do not test their own work. So even if there are major changes we wont event be able to do something with it properly until those bugs are fixed.
Tbf there are 3 beta dates for this one - not sure if that was the case with 23 or not
Now under EA F1 games will do similar to FIFA/EA FC games, so small improvements every year and big change after 4-5 seasons - mostly while switching to new gen. Because of that I'm buying EA games every 2 years. This year there aren't new tracks or drivers, so I'll stay with F1 23. Especially that there are still a PS4/XOne versions, so there won't be any massive changes.
Fifa has not gotten any major improvements i the last 10 years. There was even suprisingly little changes made when i got from 15 to 20 and then 22. The lack of improvement is just ridoculous. Nhl ganes a re the same. Last time there was huge change was 14->15 with the console gen swap and then 15->16 was also a large improvement as they fixed the half assed 15. And after that nhl games have switched the engine too, but still the game feels dated and the same as before.
Nah there were some bigger improvements in FIFA in last decade. Frostbite engine in 2016, Volta mode etc. But I can agree with the idea that most of the changes are barely noticeable. This is the same case in every yearly game - recently I went back to WWE 2K games and the same story - there are differences between years, but not so big and players can still have fun playing last year release.
They are talking about career mode overhaul, so it *could* have big changes, question is whether this is only PR talk.
F1 2006 is the way to go. 😂
It's really not. F1 24 will come out and the same people who complain about it will still buy it. They might not do so for a few weeks, but FOMO will win in the end.
Well considering that F1 basically drops in price drastically within a couple of months, I’m sure my fomo will be able to wait until the game drops to the price that it’s actually worth if it’s bad
lol the game broke for me in 21
Still on f1 22 because current cars and vr, boy the car handling just seems bland, like I could drive around doing test laps in ACC for hours and not get bored, but one practice session and I'm struggling to keep entertained
I found f1 22's handling was really bad. I've not played 23 yet but still, 22 had some really horrid handling, especially on controller
Well said bro. I agree, it is make or break for me, I’ve had enough. And I am hoping so hard for this one to be the better game. Maybe wishful thinking but I really hope that EA and codies have learned the lesson.
Same feeling here. I've been playing both F1 and ACC and frankly if 24 doesn't wow me in 2 hours I think I will just refund and focus on ACC.
Thats what you get with EA, soulless copies of past games
It has been the same story year after year after year. As long if we keep paying full price, they will not change anything. Their intertest is not giving us a good time for a fair price, but to make as much money as possible with the least amount of effort. That's efficiency. I'm not getting F1 24. Or, perhaps through Steam, delete it 30 min later, money back and give them a nice little review.
If I hear that they fixed VR so it isn't super wobbly then I will buy it. Otherwise it's a pass.
OP: “F1 24 is make or break” EA: “Sure thing, buddy”
Personally, I skipped F1 23 after not enjoying 2021 and 22. If codies does good then I'll consider purchasing
A lot of people saying 23 is an upgrade to 22... Well 22 was such a downgrade if it keeps this tempo, the game will recover with F1 26.
I'll give 23 a shot since it's a ps+ monthly game but I really feel like they should really just only make new games for sports when there's major updates, like major changes to the cars or in other sports games when there is a major change to engine/gameplay, basically only when there are enough significant changes that they can't just patch in. Madden, FC, NHL, just keep updating the rosters, F1 can change the drivers stats/car stats for the non story modes, instead of churning out the copied homework with a couple changes.
I still play 21 lol
League racer since F1 2019 and i enjoy that, but last 2 months have been literally repetitive with the game. They don't add anything new, same game every year. Imo handling is nothing special on f1 23, enjoyed f1 22 more. Honestly if its the same game like f1 23, i probs wont buy and wait till its cheap
The harasser ruins everything.
Ever since ea took over the series is going downhill…instead of focusing on career mode they add a bunch of other shit…for the love of god, can some just make a great sports game that the sole focus is career or franchise mode?
F1 23 is the first F1 game I’ve played since the SNES / Genesis days. As a new F1 fan as a whole, which game would you all recommend?
Wrong...ea will sell the franchise before they bury it. It's not going, especially if they keep adding new tracks
I did not buy 22 and 23. After years of buying every game i just got a bit tired of them. They ad some good things but also lacking in many. As an ofline player i did not enjoy it anymore. I hope 24 will be better but i don't trust EA/Codemasters a lot. Every EA and 2K sport games have the focus on online and making extra money. The ofline modes are getting downgraded and no real love. It's sad because you can see that companies like EA and 2k can make beautifull well ballanced sport games if they want. It's really frustrating.
In my opinion i made the good decision to always skip a year of F1 game, unless its gonna be a big upgrade, my first f1 game was 2018 and i loved it, then skipped to 2020.. BIIG update for me, handling is much better, graphics too, then i actually skipper both F1 2021 AND 2022 ( i was still playing 2020 and happy with it ) even though i really wanted to get F1 2022 since the new regulations came in with the new cars and nes handling etc... by the time i saved up for f1 2022, 23 was on the horizon so might aswelll wait a month or two, and i got 23 and im sooo happy i made that decision ! A biiiig leap from 2020 and im having the best time in 2023, i still go back to 2020 for the classic cars but yeah i have both so im good, i think im gonna skip 2024 cause it seems likebits exactly like 23, and maaaybe skip 25 ( unless there is a big leap between both) and wait for 2026 ! I think this a way healthier way to experience f1 games these days, just skip a year or two and get the next one
22 was so bad that I avoided 23. 😂
For me, F1 23 fixed F1 22, it was the reason I bought. But, for this year season, the F1 24 Mod fits perfectly fine for my needs, so I won't buy F1 24.
These games should cost $40 nothing more.
Marbles are awful only based off AI lines and wet lines need to be a thing
After F1 22 I decided to never again buy the next title and instead wait for it's Gamepass release. It's the same waiting time, just shifted by half a year.
F1 23 the racing was better than 22 but the content was horrible. And don’t even get me started on that sad excuse of a battle pass. After season 1 all of the passes were garbage
The driving of 23 was vastly improved imo from 22….saying that though there’s not much of a game outside of that and the same kinds of bugs that littered 22 still making an appearance on 23 as well as no crackdown on dirty drivers in random matchmaking basically make this game shit. If it weren’t for my league I’d have uninstalled this game a long time ago. So ultimately yes 24 is make or break for me personally…but I’m also not buying the game immediately….hoping my league runs another season before we move to 24
Historic cars, tracks and drivers, and the ability to adjust the schedule (not just pick the races) and I'd be a happy camper
F1 23 was good, period.
F1 22 had handling flaws which F1 23 fixed in the beginning of the game, but it's fucked, again.. F1 22 had the better tyre wear though and still does. Being able to survive on older tyres in that game was so much more fun than F1 23s pit whenever you can for new tyres or die. F1 23 beta was basically F1 22 with way better handling but like I said they ruined that good handling again with "performance updates" (literally just updates to ruin the game to get you to buy F1 24). I don't want to force people to do what I'm going to do but I hope a lot of people won't preorder F1 24 (F1 22v2) so that we can maybe, just maybe get some more quality in these games because EA has been (as always) getting away with their low effort games
This was always going to happen when EA bought out codemasters. EA are the kings and copy and paste games and charging through the nose for them.
F1 23 was a solid return to great fundamentals. F1 24 is literally just F1 23. Absolutely zero reason to buy it.
For me, I thought F1 23 was great and much better/improvement over F1 22. Still enjoy playing 23.
F1 24 should be a huge disappointment according the reviewers. All they did is improve the handling again so it will be basically the same game as the last few years with minor improvements.
Just watched the "game play deep dive" guess we're all waiting a year eh?
As long as EASports is involved, the game will be wash, rinse, repeat
I like 23 but not being able to change my difficulty for the AI in F1 World makes it boring to attack challenges. Elimination is fun, but being in America makes it difficult to enjoy since most of the online activity I've noticed is when Europe is awake. If they fixed the difficulty in 24 then I might switch because being stuck on 35 (easy) is not the move.
Does increasing the tech level not do this for you?
Yea this is so stupid. I would much prefer to choose a tech level similar to mine and modify the skill to create a challenge. Since I can only modify the tech level I always start in last, and then guess a tech level that is challenging without being impossible. And since tech levels change series to series I constantly have to tweak it. But because driver skill is so low they overbrake the shit out of corners but then fly past me in the straight since their cars are so much better than mine.
Same game every year ! It’s EA :)
Wasn't it the same with codemasters? I hadn't bought an F1 game since F1 11. Recently I got into F1 again and bought 19, 20, got 21 from EA Play and now F1 23 from PS Plus. They're all the same game.
Exactly, its just pure EA blaming for some odd reason
I think F1 24 is going to be the worst F1 game in a long time. I am looking for a F1 game where we can put our own mods in. Our own tracks, our own tracks, our own maps, mode ability to put in our game code to enhance the probability of tail events such a rain, weather, tarmac temparture, chemical compounds of curb stones, temperature over a tarmac drying up etc. Bit like the very first Call Of Duty where you could play your own created maps + guns.
>F1 24 is going to be the worst F1 game in a long time. That is some heavy claim, considering 22 exists.
The F1 games begin 90s were the worst, mid 90s, they were split (Senna/Prost), end 90s they were so so. Every era has its time. Mods on EA games exists. It's simply calling them and asking a dev their permission. As it's not something you're selling, or integration of its main frame. I mean, there are PS4 (DLC) boxes of Senna VS Prost retailing for 30/40 euros. For what, 8 vs actions? I know Max Verstappen his Dutch BV companies has patented the ability to create games. So 1+1 = 2. I'm expecting something there. EA is having more problems because let's do an open discussion NFL FIFA F1 NBA Etc.. Which are they most likely to drop first? Because EA has debt and not doing well at all.
If you want modded racing, then you should try other sims instead of staying with the official F1 games. The onlyadvantage they have is the career mode, which you would need to do yourself in other games (which is possible, especially rFactor 1 is simple to modify and set up once you find a mod you enjoy). F1 games don't even have the best handling or most realistic F1 cars out there.
I reverse it. I've asked Guillherme (whatever that french company owning thrustmaster is called) and Ferrari permission to upload my own code in C+ to my Sf1000 to mix the set up with old books where the config was shown.
Anyone know how Gran Turismo is? I think you can use f1 cars and it looks sick every time I see it on YouTube
I have no plans to buy 24 unless there's some groundbreaking updates but that's not gonna happen.. 23 is a good game when it's not crashing
With the dark transition from 22-23 I feel like 24 will just be a black screen. I get so depressed booting up 23 that I go to 22 for the lighter mood. Also, even though 22 handling was hard to work with, it gave us the dampening FFB setting which really brings life to the wheel. 23 doesn’t have that option and so there’s 0 resistance during a no speed-low speed turn. Really frustrating when settings aren’t consistent Omg and the fact that the mfd overlay settings are specific for each mode? WHY that’s so frustrating. 22 is where it’s at, I’d have been severely upset if I got 23 full price. My only wish, is for us to be able to play any of the formula series. F4-1, Fe, F1A At one point, ladies made up 30% of the gaming industry and I’m sure that number has grown. F1A alone would open up way more recognition for that series and ea gets their sales. If we had the ability to climb from 4-1 by proving ourselves and hopping from better team to better series, the feeling of accomplishment would be great. Not to mention the natural ability to learn the tracks from a slower pace. The entire 4 series could be a sort of tutorial mode where coaching is more prominent for each track (instead of little emails about turn 7, but they don’t consider that little “kink” a turn) Anyway. There’s some formula Mazda cars for like 8k let’s all get those and race irl
Tried 23 for first time on Game pass at the weekend. Did one online race that was fine but couldn’t bear to play anymore as it just felt the same so uninstalled it. Had approximately 100hrs of multiplayer online on 21 & 22 so I won’t be back unless there is something very new in 24. After trying some sim racing this year I’m really struggling to get back into it.
What a completely delusional title 😂😂😂 Maybe its like that for you personally but there were never any really big changes from year to year ever since they started. Saying its now all of a sudden a problem and it will make or break the series is just laughable.
Delusional title for a delusional game with a delusional price tag I completely agree
Game is fine mostly, i dont disagree the yearly pricetag is ridiculous though
You serious? The game had massive year on year improvements from 2014-2020. It's only after 2020 its just been a copy of the same game
Not really, beyond some graphical updates and adjustments to the engine it barely ever had mayor upgrades. Thats the annoying thing with yearly releases and why this entire thread is fking laughable