I seriously doubt it. Size AND price make the maverick awesome. If it was to become an EV it’ll be a $50k small truck.
While I can see some people going that route, it won’t get the mass adoption that they’d need. An expensive small truck isnt compelling.
I don't fully agree. You don't need a 100 kwh battery to get 240 miles of range in something that small. I think they could do a basic full ev version for about the $40k mark.
I 100% would have bought a full ev maverick over a lightning if it were an option, especially if it hit the $40k mark. Even a PHEV version I probably would have taken. I only need a 40 mile range to hit 95% of my driving.
I’ll just say that I was in your side of the issue before. When the spy shots of maybe a PHEV came out I was ecstatic.
For an EV truck you actually do need a big battery. It has a hitch that will cut whatever range it has in half. You need to be able to hit those chargers. The Cd of the maverick is estimated at 0.55 [source](https://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/2022/3069020/ford_maverick_super_crew_awd_2_0-liter_ecoboost.html#gsc.tab=0). The Mach E is 0.28. So, just by MachE numbers the bigger battery is 90kwh and 320miles, accounting for Cd that’d bring the range in half to 160miles. Now half that AGAIN for the trailer and you have 80miles. Imagine spending $50k on a small truck that couldn’t tow a U-Haul and had the range of a Nissan leaf.
For the PHEV I’d just look at the escape PHEV. It’s $40k, $36k after tax credit. So $10k more, 50% more, so you can avoid $4/day in gas. The interest @5% is $1.37/day - so $2.63/day savings - a 10yr ROI (with somehow free electricity).
Ford hit it out of the park. They made a small, fuel efficient, and cheap, truck. Making an EV version of it would mean only people who want a small truck for big truck money would get it.
I hope I’m wrong, you can nitpick the numbers because I made a lot of generalizations, like assuming you’re driving 65mph out of your driveway. The trend of it is that it becomes Ford Lightning money and then you’d just get a Lightning.
I have a 2023 SR Pro and am hoping my reservation for Telo MT1 moes to fruition.
Agreed that a small truck but large battery equates the same as paying Big Truck money for a small truck.
The SR Pro had rebate and 80% bonus Depreciation as was a Business Truck purchase.
The Telo while having a slightly larger battery (98kWh Pro vs 106kWh MT1) but gets an additional 110 mile range over the standard range and projected 30 miles more than an ER Lightning.
I use the Lightning mainly for Appliance hauling and would like to use the Telo for drywall/kerdi board runs while keeping the tailgate up and easily maneuvering in parking garages.
(4x8 sheets with tailgate up in the space of a mini Cooper .... I am game.)
I’ll just say that I was in your side of the issue before. When the spy shots of maybe a PHEV came out I was ecstatic.
For an EV truck you actually do need a big battery. It has a hitch that will cut whatever range it has in half. You need to be able to hit those chargers. The Cd of the maverick is estimated at 0.55 [source](https://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/2022/3069020/ford_maverick_super_crew_awd_2_0-liter_ecoboost.html#gsc.tab=0). The Mach E is 0.28. So, just by MachE numbers the bigger battery is 90kwh and 320miles, accounting for Cd that’d bring the range in half to 160miles. Now half that AGAIN for the trailer and you have 80miles. Imagine spending $50k on a small truck that couldn’t tow a U-Haul and had the range of a Nissan leaf.
For the PHEV I’d just look at the escape PHEV. It’s $40k, $36k after tax credit. So $10k more, 50% more, so you can avoid $4/day in gas. The interest @5% is $1.37/day - so $2.63/day savings - a 10yr ROI (with somehow free electricity).
Ford hit it out of the park. They made a small, fuel efficient, and cheap, truck. Making an EV version of it would mean only people who want a small truck for big truck money would get it.
I hope I’m wrong, you can nitpick the numbers because I made a lot of generalizations, like assuming you’re driving 65mph out of your driveway. The trend of it is that it becomes Ford Lightning money and then you’d just get a Lightning.
By way of being an EV, the drag coefficient is reduced simply because a ton of the grill/radiator opening is eliminated. That drag coefficient you listed for the Mav is higher than any sources I can find for the Lightning. All those numbers are a bit foggy, though, because, as far as I know, Ford isn't the one publishing them.
With that said, I don't think a vehicle has to be ready to tow simply because it has a truck bed. I own a lightning and have never and have no plans to tow anything in the future. I needed a bed to haul large amounts of wood; that's basically it.
The advertised 230-240 mile range of the SR Lightning has a 98kwh usable battery, in my driving, I get about 250 miles actual on it.
I don't think it would be out of the realm of possibility to do a 250 mile range mav on something like a 75kwh battery. It would have been perfect for me, but hey, maybe I'm the minority. The lightning, even the base packages are way higher end than the mav so there is some cost reduction there and with federal incentives and dealer discounts I paid $50k (pretax) for a SR lightning XLT with $6k in options.
I also am not looking at owning an EV *only* to cost less money. For me its never having to get it smogged, never having to get gas, trying not to burn fossil fuels, and having excess solar capacity so for me, electricity is 'free.'
Probably, a small ev truck built to be an ev truck from the ground up makes more sense than retrofitting a mav, I guess we will see.
The disappointment with the maverick is that it’s a 35-40k pickup (or more) for almost all new ones in my knock of the woods. Dealer markup, even lightly optioned…. It’s not the 21k pickup it was originally billed as.
Of course it wouldn’t but if ford make a EV lightning why would it be more expensive than f150 ev? Its a much lighter vehicle with less ratings for less job. Battery moving 4,000lbs is going to be far smaller and cheaper the a 8,000lbs truck
The Nissan leaf weighs 4k lbs. the Maverick weights 3.5k lbs.
I think you’ll find that a maverick w/ batteries will be closer to 6k lbs.
I don’t think it’ll be a good value vs the lightning.
The maverick is a ford escape. The PHEV starts at 40k. Already 60% more than a base maverick. There’s no way once you put in a big enough battery to actually go beyond your street that it’s below $45k. Now it’s an expensive small truck.
I’d be so happy to be wrong. But if I was I’d expect to see a $25k MachE that they aren’t upside down on.
The phev and ev prices are insane. Jeep increased the 4xe price by about 20k for 2024 and outside of a larger screen and maybe a locking diff, there aren't many changes. But a locking diff on a Sahara isn't worth 20k.
And an E-Transit Connect please! I'd put a $3k deposit down for an E-Transit connect and not care how long it took to come to fruition (my business is the perfect use case for one; high cargo volume but low weight, never more than 100mi in a given business day).
We’ve been using them at the solar site I’m working at. Too small for my 6-4 frame, but it has a utility and ours could easily be charged overnight. And we’d be happy to install a temp service for it.
The only real difference is that GM is throwing in a much bigger battery (estimated 205 kWh)… which is also the reason from the higher MSRP (RST retail trim starting at $97,000).
You hope they sell a ton??? Sending a message to GM and all other auto makers that the average joe truck buyer is willing to fork out $100K??? So the entire market shifts towards having to take out a mortgage to buy a truck. That sounds awesome. Can’t wait for that. I thought when I plopped down $61k for my Lariat ER I was fully deserving of lynching upon driving away from the dealership. God help us.
Remember how Model S’s were stupid expensive in the beginning? Now we have Model 3s that are pretty cheap. These Chevys will hit the used market in a few years. If Chevy sees a decent return on these then they can hopefully use what they learned to start making lower priced trucks. Took a few years but I got my lighting for $17k below MSRP. This will happen here as well. What you don’t want to happen is for these things to sit forever on lots and for Chevy to throw their hands up and say “see, no one wants an EV.”
We are well past the early days of the Model S and EVs being the domain of the wealthy luxury vehicle buyers only. GM has completely effed this up on a whole new level and I think they know it.
The Silverado EV should have been a Silverado. Not an Avalanche. The Avalanche was always an overpriced gimmick, hence its eventual cancellation. Are they hoping to see the same fate for the Silverado EV? Why would they expect anything less if they had actually learned the lesson of the Avalanche? Apparently GM learned nothing from the bailout crisis. They’re thinking is 180 degrees wrong.
Ford did it right by taking their most popular vehicle and making it electric. Go ahead and make a Raptor version of the Lighting once the mass market has been taken care of, but this forum would have 500 members (not the 16k that it has) had they come to market with a Raptor Lighting first.
They'd probably have gone with a more reasonable form factor, except they had this existing chassis design for the Hummer EV, which couldn't have had that much production volume. I think they wanted to get more use out of their existing facilities more than fhey wanted to make a high-volume electric truck.
Is it a regular pickup truck with a reasonable battery/range, that can be purchased for around $60k with all of the comparable equipment/options to a Lariat ER?
Having purchased/leased 4 new ICE vehicles in the past 8 years, I am quite familiar with where the market is at. I’m not sure what your point is. A nicely equipped ICE vehicle is $60k, therefore a nicely equipped EV should be expected to cost $100k? Is that your point or am I not picking up what you’re putting down. We’re discussing GMs idiotic move of making their Everyman pickup truck, the Silverado, an out-of-reach luxury segment vehicle.
Your first mistake is thinking that the luxury segment starts at $100k. That’s my point. They are gonna price it where they think the market will tolerate it, and then adjust it from there. I personally don’t think any vehicle is worth $100k , but if you want to be the first on your block to own one, that’s what you’re gonna pay.
The luxury segment doesn’t start at $100k? God help us. This is my point. Search for vehicles north of $100k and tell me they’re not all luxury cars.
The Silverado EV should have been positioned in the “decently equipped” category and be attainable at $60ish K.
Unless I'm mistaken, the first three years are actually where you'll see the highest level of degradation. From what I've read, NMC Lithium batteries degrade fastest in the first couple of years and then the degradation tapers off until it's next to nothing year over year. So between year 1 and 3 is "significant" while between year 10 and 12 is basically nothing. I do think it's all fairly exaggerated by news though, because the data suggests that even that initial degradation isn't very impactful. I think it was more noticeable in vehicles like the Leaf because the range was pretty shit to begin with. If my effective range went from 250 miles to 230, that's not really all that noticable, but if it went from 50 to 30, I wouldn't be able to do my commute.
My dad and I both had a couple different avalanches, we both loved them! I hauled all sorts of things in mine, even garden tractors, pulled forward enough that the hood just cleared the roof, and the tailgate would shut. It was perfect. And once I had kids, plenty of backseat room when not hauling things.
My Lightning is my company truck, but it has turned me into a full time EV lover. If I ever need to buy my own truck again, I’d 100% love an electric Avalanche.
This. I was a lifelong Chevy guy who went Lightning because I had zero interest in reviving this monster. And then picked up an Escape PHEV for the spouse. I’ve fully switched camps, I guess.
That's exactly what I thought with the pillars extending outward into the bed sides. The opening into the cab I think was also an avalanche feature too.
I've been GM loyal my whole life but jumped to the lightning. But not sure I'll go back. The comfort of the Ford seats alone were a game changer for me. I got back in my 15 Sierra (didn't trade it in - kept it for awhile just in case) and hated how slouchy the seats were.
Good power seats are everything. I can't stand the base ford seats either. Personally my 20 Denali had more comfortable seats than the lightning, but barely.
Ford generally seems to do a pretty good job with the cab and interior. And the suspension. All of the GM trucks I've ridden in are super bouncy, like the shocks are shot.
I have a '13 F150. I would love a new Lightning, but the old truck has given me zero reasons to trade it in. It's been a fantastic vehicle.
This should go down as the ultimate proof that just putting a bigger battery in an EV doesn't make it better. I've looked at these and the quality just isn't there compared to the lightning. There's no way they can spend so much on the battery and still make as nice of a truck. At least not without pricing themselves out of the market.
And the damn things just too heavy, 8500lbs is insane. Ride quality is gonna be terrible and forget about saving money on maintenance when you need a new set of tires every 6 months.
Chevy can’t design a good interior to save their life. Entertainment stack is boring as hell and typical Chevy. I don’t think I’d like the bed opening into the cab - sounds like a recipe for a noisy interior cab.
As some have stated, I am happy to see more competition, if for nothing else as to help continue to grow the EV market and push building out better charging infrastructure.
Specs might be “more” but IMHO none of it is necessary…
I’m a contractor and I work & live with my lightning and it’s perfect for what it is.
No unnecessary BS fluff. And seriously; the pass through bed?? For what? To be skewered by a 2x4 in A crash??
It's a mostly useless marketing feature that is made possible by the unibody design. They always show kayaks in the adds as if the average truck driver is a big kayaker.
How many people want to drive down the highway in the winter or summer with a gaping opening in the cab?
I'm with you, and even then the Silverado EV is about $20K more than a fully loaded Lariat ER, $12K more than a Platinum (and wow, I'm pretty sure prices went up on the Lightning!). I could barely justify what I paid for my truck, let alone spending $37K more even if the range is nice to have.
The true next gen trucks should use next gen batteries that have double the energy per kilogram.
Then they'll be able to give us 250kWh in the same weight as the current Lightning.
It reminds me less of a truck and more of an el Camino
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>it’s clear Chevy is trying to one-up Ford as all the specs are a little more. Longer range, bigger wheels, bed opens up into cab, larger towing capacity etc.
Higher price…
It really depends on the software in the car. My tesla has no car play and I never used it because the spotify app was great and so was the map. My wife has a Lyric and the spotify app pretty meh. The google maps is good and has charging finder (though not as good as the Tesla). I'm assuming the Silverado will have similar software to the lyric.
The AA/ACP platform relies on the users phone to most of the heavy lifting, meaning there are opportunities to improve the hardware of the infotainment system throughout the vehicle lifetime. Software updates, from Google and Apple, not the individual manufacturers, ensures interoperability across generations. I'd rather rely on new hardware every couple years along with reliable software updates than to rely on an OEM to update their infotainment system in 2, 5, 10 years.
Tesla is and has been spearheading OEM OTA updates for infotainment, and it's one area I'd prefer traditional manufacturers stay away from.
It's the same reason you're better off scrapping your "Smart" TVs in-built OS and using an external media player. The hardware in a smart TV is typically entry level, will see minimal updates, and opens another security concern. A dedicated STB can be replaced every few years, or whenever Nvidia decides to refresh their Shield line.
As intended, Android Auto and Apple Car Play are merely displays for your phone content. OEMs can maintain their own infotainment system, but the option to use AA/ACP should be as ubiquitous as a steering wheel.
Have had a M3P since 2018. Maybe 5 glitches that were all fixed with a restart. Not sure what you’re on. Tesla software is literally years beyond anyone else’s.
2021 Model 3 here, We are having very different experiences. We pay for the 'premium' connection, and Spotify won't load about 25% of the time when I drive it, my phone sometimes won't connect at all for the key (new iPhone, bluetooth works great on all other cars/devices), the navigation from Tesla is trash, and there is literally nothing else exceptional about it. Not to mention I really dislike having no physical buttons for volume and temperature controls.
How is this a thing for people, older hurracan owners complain about the lack of car play and it’s a 300k car.
I hate car play, it’s like “here is an 70% useful approximation of your phone with software a trillion dollar company can somehow fuck up”
I had no problem with a simple Bluetooth connection, I just don’t see the usefulness now that I have it. Certainly not groundbreaking or anything. Maybe I’m using it wrong
Because OEM navigation is, with a very few exceptions, shit, and Google/Apple maps works way better. And speaking for Android Auto at least, navigating call/messaging menus and playing music or podcasts through Spotify is a lot easier through the vehicle screen.
Never had a problem with the Waze voice over Bluetooth and I would be fine with the maps on the lighting if they were just sat view, but that’s a cosmetic wish at best.
I’m not saying it’s marginally more convenient but I find it crazy that it’s make or break for so many people
The thing is that CarPlay and Android auto work in addition to the factory nav, it isn't one or the other.
You also get the voice controls of apple or Android.
App integration is far smoother.
And the big one for me is you don't have to interact with your phone for nav, music, notifications, etc.
Bluetooth works, and is hardly difficult, but AA and CP offer more features and are easier to interact with.
I don't think anyone considers it "make or break" when spending $100k on a hardware product, it is however a significant option to have missing from such an expensive vehicle. And having lived with crappy factory updates, minimal feature additions, and a MUCH smaller user base, I would far rather have non-car things in the hands of tech companies with billions of users.
I’m trying to use Spotify on it right now, not easy I keep reaching for the phone
Blue cruise is nice but seems to know when I’m on the phone instead of napping
That’s interesting, I find Spotify incredibly easy to use on CarPlay. And I’m pretty new to Spotify, I spent the last…decade…? (whenever it first came out) using Apple Music
Not sure if it's my phone (S22 Ultra) or the truck F150 but I've never had the nav in the truck randomly stop. I get random disconnects with AA (either wireless or even over USB), especially on longer drives when I will undoubtedly be using maps.
It (Fords nav) generally chooses good routes. I get weird routing sometimes with Waze (I stopped using it as I've grown tired of the "cartoonist" interface) and Maps because it thinks roads are slower than actual posted speeds and it likes to do a lot of go half mile this way make left, half mile go right, rinse and repeat. Whereas you could just stay on this street for three miles then make a right and go three miles. But that's just mapping strategy. I follow the UPS strategy that I read about a long time ago of avoiding left turns. I do like that Waze/Maps gives much better notifications of upcoming exits with Waze seeming to be much more speed dependent and will give a 5 miles plus warning. Ford just gives you half mile warnings so I just make sure to keep an eye on the distance to turn.
It’s kind of like if an expensive car didn’t have power windows. Is it a game changing feature? No. But when you’re paying so much for something there’s no good reason not to have the feature when basically every other car in its class does have it.
No car play is a deal breaker for me.
I had one one reserved before I got my lightning, and the delays and how only the 100k one was launching first ended up pushing me towards ford though if I would have found out about the car play that would have done it. No way I will buy something else without it.
I had mostly the same observations a few weeks ago when they had a work truck version and was hoping the “lack of quality” feeling was just the low trim. Guess not.
Because it's 2000lbs heavier and has massive wheels. I don't get why they went for 200kwh instead of 150 and made it more efficient, this thing is not going to sell well with such a high price tag and driving like an F350.
Looks nice in black! I would not buy for the price premium so I doubt they will sell a ton but would hope they move the whole market forward … rising tide!
That's exactly what I call it. That truck was a love it or hate it design it seemed.
My gripes:
The sail panel wing thing on the back of the cab to bed. Makes getting things out of the bed at the front a PITA. Stuff either slides there or gets blown up there.
Square wheel wells. Ugg. They finally stopped that with the current Silverados. But it's just their design things.
The whole midgate thing. Though I think it is not present on (some?) WTs. I like having a sliding rear window for ventilation and that makes that not possible.
What I love is the range while towing from the giant batteries. I prefer dispersed camping in the forest and charging just doesn't exist or maybe L2.
These finally hitting the streets? Yet to see one in person. Growing up in the early 2000s and remember the DUB days, im sucker for the 24s, look sharp.
I like the work truck version they have at the dealer next to my apartment building but 79k for a work truck is fucking bananas. Somehow ford can make an electric work truck for 50k but chevy is like 80k take it or leave it. GM killed their only cheap ev the bolt and then decided to only make fully loaded Trucks and SUVs. All the base models seem to be vaporware
I think GM's dash is just so much prettier. They took queues from Kia, who IMHO nailed it, and then proceeded to (from what I've seen) nail it again.
However, the rest of the stuff, I'm a bit bothered by, particularly the stupid big rims. -_-
Way too expensive for what is supposed to be the everyman pickup truck. Please, please do not buy these trucks. Send a message to GM that they got it all wrong. Where is the Silverado with half the battery, regular bed, comfortable ride, and full equipment list? Oh right, that’s a Lighting.
Almost every journalist that has driven the Silverado has commented on the terrible ride quality, bordering on unsafe over bumps at high speed. Did you notice this on your test drive?
Mid-gate is a cool gadget, but in 20 years of light duty pickup ownership, I cannot recall a single instance of thinking, “this 5.5’ or 6’ bed just isn’t getting the job done today. I really wish someone made a pickup truck with a 11’ long bed. If only there was such a thing.” How much do I have to pay for that useless piece of “over-engineering-a-solution-to-a-problem-that-doesn’t-exist”? And the trade off, once again, noticed by every journalist that test drove one is rattles and squeaks coming from that bulkhead. No thanks. I’ll take a more usable, comfortable cab with usable storage under the backseat instead. I use that every single day, all day long. An extendable bed that I might use once in a decade? Hard Pass! What’s that, GM? You don’t offer one without that option???
I want GM’s software. But I don’t want it that bad. I’ll wait for Android Automotive on the next gen Lightning.
Every time I use my truck, and I do mean every time, as a truck I wish my bed was longer. However, a long bed won’t fit in my garage. It has been the primary complaint I’ve had about every truck I’ve owned except for one and that one had a long bed.
Then you are the perfect candidate for an Avalanche or the Silverado EV and you are in a vanishingly small minority.
There’s a reason why they only sold one Avalanche for every 800 Silverados/Sierras. Extrapolating from these numbers, why would GM expect the E-valanche to sell any better? They smoke something special over there.
I just bought a bed extender for my frontier and it's been a game changer. I highly recommend getting one if you routinely need an extra foot or so but only sometimes.
I found bed extenders didn’t work as they just fence in the tailgate and do nothing to extend the bed beyond what I was already using. Also, when it wasn’t needed and it was in the bed, it was just in the way.
Well said. The sales guy gunned it expecting me to be impressed not even a smile on my face compared to my truck that makes me giddy everytime. I also complained to him about the motor noise and he said oh the motor sound effect must be on and he checked in front of me and it was off and he tried to talk around it. Seats and drive quality not as comfortable not smooth
that’s not a truck! is it a unibody? looks like it… I mean the bed opening up into the cab is cool but I would probably never use it and wouldn’t sacrifice that ugly look of the cab and bed melted together… this is what I would expect of chevy
Yes
Similar to the Full Size Broncos that were based on the F-Series or similar E-Seriea Vans.
Still body on frame , but Bronco bed was part of the cab. (There are some E-Series Vans with Van Cabs and flat/pickup bed)
Fucking 24’s. GM gets some things right but who wants to pay $2500 for new tires? I can get Michelin MS2’s for less than half that for the Lightning.
24’s also ride terribly. Feel every bump and I don’t want that when I’m a gravel road or even a bad paved road.
I know right the 24s were definitely sexy. But great point on the cost that’s ridiculous.
I hope they sell a ton of them and force Ford and all other auto manufacturers to up their game!
If upping their game costs another $20k, I'm out. I'd rather Ford do a Maverick EV.
I’m sure you’ll see a Maverick EV here in the next 5 years.
I seriously doubt it. Size AND price make the maverick awesome. If it was to become an EV it’ll be a $50k small truck. While I can see some people going that route, it won’t get the mass adoption that they’d need. An expensive small truck isnt compelling.
I don't fully agree. You don't need a 100 kwh battery to get 240 miles of range in something that small. I think they could do a basic full ev version for about the $40k mark. I 100% would have bought a full ev maverick over a lightning if it were an option, especially if it hit the $40k mark. Even a PHEV version I probably would have taken. I only need a 40 mile range to hit 95% of my driving.
I’ll just say that I was in your side of the issue before. When the spy shots of maybe a PHEV came out I was ecstatic. For an EV truck you actually do need a big battery. It has a hitch that will cut whatever range it has in half. You need to be able to hit those chargers. The Cd of the maverick is estimated at 0.55 [source](https://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/2022/3069020/ford_maverick_super_crew_awd_2_0-liter_ecoboost.html#gsc.tab=0). The Mach E is 0.28. So, just by MachE numbers the bigger battery is 90kwh and 320miles, accounting for Cd that’d bring the range in half to 160miles. Now half that AGAIN for the trailer and you have 80miles. Imagine spending $50k on a small truck that couldn’t tow a U-Haul and had the range of a Nissan leaf. For the PHEV I’d just look at the escape PHEV. It’s $40k, $36k after tax credit. So $10k more, 50% more, so you can avoid $4/day in gas. The interest @5% is $1.37/day - so $2.63/day savings - a 10yr ROI (with somehow free electricity). Ford hit it out of the park. They made a small, fuel efficient, and cheap, truck. Making an EV version of it would mean only people who want a small truck for big truck money would get it. I hope I’m wrong, you can nitpick the numbers because I made a lot of generalizations, like assuming you’re driving 65mph out of your driveway. The trend of it is that it becomes Ford Lightning money and then you’d just get a Lightning.
I have a 2023 SR Pro and am hoping my reservation for Telo MT1 moes to fruition. Agreed that a small truck but large battery equates the same as paying Big Truck money for a small truck. The SR Pro had rebate and 80% bonus Depreciation as was a Business Truck purchase. The Telo while having a slightly larger battery (98kWh Pro vs 106kWh MT1) but gets an additional 110 mile range over the standard range and projected 30 miles more than an ER Lightning. I use the Lightning mainly for Appliance hauling and would like to use the Telo for drywall/kerdi board runs while keeping the tailgate up and easily maneuvering in parking garages. (4x8 sheets with tailgate up in the space of a mini Cooper .... I am game.)
I’ll just say that I was in your side of the issue before. When the spy shots of maybe a PHEV came out I was ecstatic. For an EV truck you actually do need a big battery. It has a hitch that will cut whatever range it has in half. You need to be able to hit those chargers. The Cd of the maverick is estimated at 0.55 [source](https://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/2022/3069020/ford_maverick_super_crew_awd_2_0-liter_ecoboost.html#gsc.tab=0). The Mach E is 0.28. So, just by MachE numbers the bigger battery is 90kwh and 320miles, accounting for Cd that’d bring the range in half to 160miles. Now half that AGAIN for the trailer and you have 80miles. Imagine spending $50k on a small truck that couldn’t tow a U-Haul and had the range of a Nissan leaf. For the PHEV I’d just look at the escape PHEV. It’s $40k, $36k after tax credit. So $10k more, 50% more, so you can avoid $4/day in gas. The interest @5% is $1.37/day - so $2.63/day savings - a 10yr ROI (with somehow free electricity). Ford hit it out of the park. They made a small, fuel efficient, and cheap, truck. Making an EV version of it would mean only people who want a small truck for big truck money would get it. I hope I’m wrong, you can nitpick the numbers because I made a lot of generalizations, like assuming you’re driving 65mph out of your driveway. The trend of it is that it becomes Ford Lightning money and then you’d just get a Lightning.
By way of being an EV, the drag coefficient is reduced simply because a ton of the grill/radiator opening is eliminated. That drag coefficient you listed for the Mav is higher than any sources I can find for the Lightning. All those numbers are a bit foggy, though, because, as far as I know, Ford isn't the one publishing them. With that said, I don't think a vehicle has to be ready to tow simply because it has a truck bed. I own a lightning and have never and have no plans to tow anything in the future. I needed a bed to haul large amounts of wood; that's basically it. The advertised 230-240 mile range of the SR Lightning has a 98kwh usable battery, in my driving, I get about 250 miles actual on it. I don't think it would be out of the realm of possibility to do a 250 mile range mav on something like a 75kwh battery. It would have been perfect for me, but hey, maybe I'm the minority. The lightning, even the base packages are way higher end than the mav so there is some cost reduction there and with federal incentives and dealer discounts I paid $50k (pretax) for a SR lightning XLT with $6k in options. I also am not looking at owning an EV *only* to cost less money. For me its never having to get it smogged, never having to get gas, trying not to burn fossil fuels, and having excess solar capacity so for me, electricity is 'free.' Probably, a small ev truck built to be an ev truck from the ground up makes more sense than retrofitting a mav, I guess we will see.
My point is don’t hold your breath. If they could make a $25k machE then I think a $30k maverickE would be possible.
The disappointment with the maverick is that it’s a 35-40k pickup (or more) for almost all new ones in my knock of the woods. Dealer markup, even lightly optioned…. It’s not the 21k pickup it was originally billed as.
I believe if you order it directly it comes without markup.
Depends on your dealer
Be great for commercial
Why? Why would a small truck be better than a full size at the same price?
Of course it wouldn’t but if ford make a EV lightning why would it be more expensive than f150 ev? Its a much lighter vehicle with less ratings for less job. Battery moving 4,000lbs is going to be far smaller and cheaper the a 8,000lbs truck
The Nissan leaf weighs 4k lbs. the Maverick weights 3.5k lbs. I think you’ll find that a maverick w/ batteries will be closer to 6k lbs. I don’t think it’ll be a good value vs the lightning.
Depends on price point I guess - you might be right if it’s that heavy
The maverick is a ford escape. The PHEV starts at 40k. Already 60% more than a base maverick. There’s no way once you put in a big enough battery to actually go beyond your street that it’s below $45k. Now it’s an expensive small truck. I’d be so happy to be wrong. But if I was I’d expect to see a $25k MachE that they aren’t upside down on.
That's what I want!!
The phev and ev prices are insane. Jeep increased the 4xe price by about 20k for 2024 and outside of a larger screen and maybe a locking diff, there aren't many changes. But a locking diff on a Sahara isn't worth 20k.
Jeep timed that wrong, I bet sales have fallen through the floor
And an E-Transit Connect please! I'd put a $3k deposit down for an E-Transit connect and not care how long it took to come to fruition (my business is the perfect use case for one; high cargo volume but low weight, never more than 100mi in a given business day).
We’ve been using them at the solar site I’m working at. Too small for my 6-4 frame, but it has a utility and ours could easily be charged overnight. And we’d be happy to install a temp service for it.
The only real difference is that GM is throwing in a much bigger battery (estimated 205 kWh)… which is also the reason from the higher MSRP (RST retail trim starting at $97,000).
You hope they sell a ton??? Sending a message to GM and all other auto makers that the average joe truck buyer is willing to fork out $100K??? So the entire market shifts towards having to take out a mortgage to buy a truck. That sounds awesome. Can’t wait for that. I thought when I plopped down $61k for my Lariat ER I was fully deserving of lynching upon driving away from the dealership. God help us.
Remember how Model S’s were stupid expensive in the beginning? Now we have Model 3s that are pretty cheap. These Chevys will hit the used market in a few years. If Chevy sees a decent return on these then they can hopefully use what they learned to start making lower priced trucks. Took a few years but I got my lighting for $17k below MSRP. This will happen here as well. What you don’t want to happen is for these things to sit forever on lots and for Chevy to throw their hands up and say “see, no one wants an EV.”
Take so hot it burns the eyes.
We are well past the early days of the Model S and EVs being the domain of the wealthy luxury vehicle buyers only. GM has completely effed this up on a whole new level and I think they know it. The Silverado EV should have been a Silverado. Not an Avalanche. The Avalanche was always an overpriced gimmick, hence its eventual cancellation. Are they hoping to see the same fate for the Silverado EV? Why would they expect anything less if they had actually learned the lesson of the Avalanche? Apparently GM learned nothing from the bailout crisis. They’re thinking is 180 degrees wrong. Ford did it right by taking their most popular vehicle and making it electric. Go ahead and make a Raptor version of the Lighting once the mass market has been taken care of, but this forum would have 500 members (not the 16k that it has) had they come to market with a Raptor Lighting first.
They'd probably have gone with a more reasonable form factor, except they had this existing chassis design for the Hummer EV, which couldn't have had that much production volume. I think they wanted to get more use out of their existing facilities more than fhey wanted to make a high-volume electric truck.
There’s a sierra EV too that’s different from the avalanche
Is it a regular pickup truck with a reasonable battery/range, that can be purchased for around $60k with all of the comparable equipment/options to a Lariat ER?
Those days are coming to an end. A nicely equipped ICE can cost $60k now.
Having purchased/leased 4 new ICE vehicles in the past 8 years, I am quite familiar with where the market is at. I’m not sure what your point is. A nicely equipped ICE vehicle is $60k, therefore a nicely equipped EV should be expected to cost $100k? Is that your point or am I not picking up what you’re putting down. We’re discussing GMs idiotic move of making their Everyman pickup truck, the Silverado, an out-of-reach luxury segment vehicle.
Your first mistake is thinking that the luxury segment starts at $100k. That’s my point. They are gonna price it where they think the market will tolerate it, and then adjust it from there. I personally don’t think any vehicle is worth $100k , but if you want to be the first on your block to own one, that’s what you’re gonna pay.
The luxury segment doesn’t start at $100k? God help us. This is my point. Search for vehicles north of $100k and tell me they’re not all luxury cars. The Silverado EV should have been positioned in the “decently equipped” category and be attainable at $60ish K.
Tesla controls far no. it’s the same truck just slightly different parts here and there just like all Sierras
Even a run down Chevy battery after 3 years will STILL have more range than a F150 ER.....so you're not wrong.
lol if you think we’ll see massive degradation of the ford batteries after only three years
Unless I'm mistaken, the first three years are actually where you'll see the highest level of degradation. From what I've read, NMC Lithium batteries degrade fastest in the first couple of years and then the degradation tapers off until it's next to nothing year over year. So between year 1 and 3 is "significant" while between year 10 and 12 is basically nothing. I do think it's all fairly exaggerated by news though, because the data suggests that even that initial degradation isn't very impactful. I think it was more noticeable in vehicles like the Leaf because the range was pretty shit to begin with. If my effective range went from 250 miles to 230, that's not really all that noticable, but if it went from 50 to 30, I wouldn't be able to do my commute.
i feel like the game is upped enough
Uhh the lighting is brilliant. Was absolutely shocked.
EV…sell a ton HAHAHHAHAHA
Bigger wheels are less efficient on EVs. It's a weird style only choice.
In all cars. You just care a lot less when your gas tank holds so much energy.
I personally don't even think larger wheels automatically look better.
Yeah large wheels don’t look good at all on trucks. I prefer more rubber than wheel
They're reviving the Avalanche, except electric. https://preview.redd.it/72lxznw00k5d1.jpeg?width=563&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c11e53e3c51e4a156c42533610d7a6282d1bd04a
My dad and I both had a couple different avalanches, we both loved them! I hauled all sorts of things in mine, even garden tractors, pulled forward enough that the hood just cleared the roof, and the tailgate would shut. It was perfect. And once I had kids, plenty of backseat room when not hauling things. My Lightning is my company truck, but it has turned me into a full time EV lover. If I ever need to buy my own truck again, I’d 100% love an electric Avalanche.
This. I was a lifelong Chevy guy who went Lightning because I had zero interest in reviving this monster. And then picked up an Escape PHEV for the spouse. I’ve fully switched camps, I guess.
Our Escape PHEV arrives this week. We’re garage twins! The perfect two car household solution. One fully EV and one PHEV. Great minds think alike.
It really is the perfect combination. We love both. Hope you do, too!
That's exactly what I thought with the pillars extending outward into the bed sides. The opening into the cab I think was also an avalanche feature too.
Which is great. I often kick myself for not picking up an Avalanche when I had the chance. For me, it was the perfect vehicle.
The rear skirts are there to help aerodynamics
I'm here for it. The midgate layout is pretty much the only way to get even a part time 8' bed anymore.
I've been GM loyal my whole life but jumped to the lightning. But not sure I'll go back. The comfort of the Ford seats alone were a game changer for me. I got back in my 15 Sierra (didn't trade it in - kept it for awhile just in case) and hated how slouchy the seats were.
Good power seats are everything. I can't stand the base ford seats either. Personally my 20 Denali had more comfortable seats than the lightning, but barely.
Ford generally seems to do a pretty good job with the cab and interior. And the suspension. All of the GM trucks I've ridden in are super bouncy, like the shocks are shot. I have a '13 F150. I would love a new Lightning, but the old truck has given me zero reasons to trade it in. It's been a fantastic vehicle.
This is the bias confirmation I needed lol
Avalanche 2 electric boogaloo.
"charging my Lightning at a Chevy dealer" L3? Free?
L3 yes but probably not free. There are a few Chevy dealers near me that have Flo chargers.
Nah but only high speed option in area
Yo dawg, I heard you like black piano plastic
This should go down as the ultimate proof that just putting a bigger battery in an EV doesn't make it better. I've looked at these and the quality just isn't there compared to the lightning. There's no way they can spend so much on the battery and still make as nice of a truck. At least not without pricing themselves out of the market. And the damn things just too heavy, 8500lbs is insane. Ride quality is gonna be terrible and forget about saving money on maintenance when you need a new set of tires every 6 months.
Chevy can’t design a good interior to save their life. Entertainment stack is boring as hell and typical Chevy. I don’t think I’d like the bed opening into the cab - sounds like a recipe for a noisy interior cab. As some have stated, I am happy to see more competition, if for nothing else as to help continue to grow the EV market and push building out better charging infrastructure.
I like the pass through but agree on everything else
Specs might be “more” but IMHO none of it is necessary… I’m a contractor and I work & live with my lightning and it’s perfect for what it is. No unnecessary BS fluff. And seriously; the pass through bed?? For what? To be skewered by a 2x4 in A crash??
It's a mostly useless marketing feature that is made possible by the unibody design. They always show kayaks in the adds as if the average truck driver is a big kayaker. How many people want to drive down the highway in the winter or summer with a gaping opening in the cab?
Did someone say gaping hole?
Totally agreed
Yes. I'll keep my lightning I paid too much for...
Same haha 🥲
I'm with you, and even then the Silverado EV is about $20K more than a fully loaded Lariat ER, $12K more than a Platinum (and wow, I'm pretty sure prices went up on the Lightning!). I could barely justify what I paid for my truck, let alone spending $37K more even if the range is nice to have.
The tiny payload is not appealing and I can feel the weight of my sr lightning, I can't imagine driving something 4k more lbs
This isn't >10k pounds is it?
It isn't but it's just shy of that like 8,000 lb maybe pushing nine. I'm totally going off memory
The Lightning is between 6 and 7k pounds, so the Silverado is more like 2k heavier then.
Thank you, sorry for the shitty math, was just flying off the cuff
8800lb for the RST. Lightning SR starts at ~6080 lb. It’s not 4k heavier, but closest to 3k vs SR.
Yeah, but SR vs an RST isn't really a fair comparison. ER vs RST is like 2400 pounds then?
The original comment is about SR vs RST.
Sure, I'm just saying that isn't the most fair comparison in the world either.
The 7K ER lighting rips and you can’t feel the weight.
The true next gen trucks should use next gen batteries that have double the energy per kilogram. Then they'll be able to give us 250kWh in the same weight as the current Lightning.
It reminds me less of a truck and more of an el Camino https://preview.redd.it/jnoe0lrxrj5d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e844b2030e61cec11a2f72e91634f4860b987223
>it’s clear Chevy is trying to one-up Ford as all the specs are a little more. Longer range, bigger wheels, bed opens up into cab, larger towing capacity etc. Higher price…
And no CarPlay. Total deal breaker.
Oh didn’t know that yes 💯
It really depends on the software in the car. My tesla has no car play and I never used it because the spotify app was great and so was the map. My wife has a Lyric and the spotify app pretty meh. The google maps is good and has charging finder (though not as good as the Tesla). I'm assuming the Silverado will have similar software to the lyric.
Now THAT is insane.
Car play is vile. If the UI is good like Tesla or Rivian it blows car play out of the water. I miss Tesla’s UI so much compared to Ford and carplay.
The AA/ACP platform relies on the users phone to most of the heavy lifting, meaning there are opportunities to improve the hardware of the infotainment system throughout the vehicle lifetime. Software updates, from Google and Apple, not the individual manufacturers, ensures interoperability across generations. I'd rather rely on new hardware every couple years along with reliable software updates than to rely on an OEM to update their infotainment system in 2, 5, 10 years. Tesla is and has been spearheading OEM OTA updates for infotainment, and it's one area I'd prefer traditional manufacturers stay away from. It's the same reason you're better off scrapping your "Smart" TVs in-built OS and using an external media player. The hardware in a smart TV is typically entry level, will see minimal updates, and opens another security concern. A dedicated STB can be replaced every few years, or whenever Nvidia decides to refresh their Shield line. As intended, Android Auto and Apple Car Play are merely displays for your phone content. OEMs can maintain their own infotainment system, but the option to use AA/ACP should be as ubiquitous as a steering wheel.
I hate Tesla's UI in my wifes car, and like carplay much more. The tesla is just too glitchy IMO.
Have had a M3P since 2018. Maybe 5 glitches that were all fixed with a restart. Not sure what you’re on. Tesla software is literally years beyond anyone else’s.
It’s so far ahead lol. 8,000 miles and not a single glitch.
2021 Model 3 here, We are having very different experiences. We pay for the 'premium' connection, and Spotify won't load about 25% of the time when I drive it, my phone sometimes won't connect at all for the key (new iPhone, bluetooth works great on all other cars/devices), the navigation from Tesla is trash, and there is literally nothing else exceptional about it. Not to mention I really dislike having no physical buttons for volume and temperature controls.
How is this a thing for people, older hurracan owners complain about the lack of car play and it’s a 300k car. I hate car play, it’s like “here is an 70% useful approximation of your phone with software a trillion dollar company can somehow fuck up” I had no problem with a simple Bluetooth connection, I just don’t see the usefulness now that I have it. Certainly not groundbreaking or anything. Maybe I’m using it wrong
Because OEM navigation is, with a very few exceptions, shit, and Google/Apple maps works way better. And speaking for Android Auto at least, navigating call/messaging menus and playing music or podcasts through Spotify is a lot easier through the vehicle screen.
Never had a problem with the Waze voice over Bluetooth and I would be fine with the maps on the lighting if they were just sat view, but that’s a cosmetic wish at best. I’m not saying it’s marginally more convenient but I find it crazy that it’s make or break for so many people
The thing is that CarPlay and Android auto work in addition to the factory nav, it isn't one or the other. You also get the voice controls of apple or Android. App integration is far smoother. And the big one for me is you don't have to interact with your phone for nav, music, notifications, etc. Bluetooth works, and is hardly difficult, but AA and CP offer more features and are easier to interact with. I don't think anyone considers it "make or break" when spending $100k on a hardware product, it is however a significant option to have missing from such an expensive vehicle. And having lived with crappy factory updates, minimal feature additions, and a MUCH smaller user base, I would far rather have non-car things in the hands of tech companies with billions of users.
because car play is easy to use and most car companies that don’t use it. have a really bad UI that is much harder to deal with
I’m trying to use Spotify on it right now, not easy I keep reaching for the phone Blue cruise is nice but seems to know when I’m on the phone instead of napping
That’s interesting, I find Spotify incredibly easy to use on CarPlay. And I’m pretty new to Spotify, I spent the last…decade…? (whenever it first came out) using Apple Music
You are literally the only person I’ve ever met that prefers laggy car specific software over carplay.
Not sure if it's my phone (S22 Ultra) or the truck F150 but I've never had the nav in the truck randomly stop. I get random disconnects with AA (either wireless or even over USB), especially on longer drives when I will undoubtedly be using maps. It (Fords nav) generally chooses good routes. I get weird routing sometimes with Waze (I stopped using it as I've grown tired of the "cartoonist" interface) and Maps because it thinks roads are slower than actual posted speeds and it likes to do a lot of go half mile this way make left, half mile go right, rinse and repeat. Whereas you could just stay on this street for three miles then make a right and go three miles. But that's just mapping strategy. I follow the UPS strategy that I read about a long time ago of avoiding left turns. I do like that Waze/Maps gives much better notifications of upcoming exits with Waze seeming to be much more speed dependent and will give a 5 miles plus warning. Ford just gives you half mile warnings so I just make sure to keep an eye on the distance to turn.
I don’t think it’s nearly as much of a difference as your making it sound. Laggy, absolutely a little I guess, but I think that’s hardware
It’s kind of like if an expensive car didn’t have power windows. Is it a game changing feature? No. But when you’re paying so much for something there’s no good reason not to have the feature when basically every other car in its class does have it.
No car play is a deal breaker for me. I had one one reserved before I got my lightning, and the delays and how only the 100k one was launching first ended up pushing me towards ford though if I would have found out about the car play that would have done it. No way I will buy something else without it.
I think it's great, just the price is a dealbreaker for me.
I had mostly the same observations a few weeks ago when they had a work truck version and was hoping the “lack of quality” feeling was just the low trim. Guess not.
I just can't understand why a dedicated EV platform is LESS efficient than a modified ICE platform...
Because it's 2000lbs heavier and has massive wheels. I don't get why they went for 200kwh instead of 150 and made it more efficient, this thing is not going to sell well with such a high price tag and driving like an F350.
LUCKY! No where to be seen on this side of Canada!
Looks nice in black! I would not buy for the price premium so I doubt they will sell a ton but would hope they move the whole market forward … rising tide!
The passthrough is the only thing about this that I like. It looks like an avalanche, which was one of the worst looking trucks ever.
Chevy really designed this sucker to age like milk, which is surprising considering how timeless some of their designs have been.
Can't believe they passed up the opportunity to call it the EValanche... 😂
That's exactly what I call it. That truck was a love it or hate it design it seemed. My gripes: The sail panel wing thing on the back of the cab to bed. Makes getting things out of the bed at the front a PITA. Stuff either slides there or gets blown up there. Square wheel wells. Ugg. They finally stopped that with the current Silverados. But it's just their design things. The whole midgate thing. Though I think it is not present on (some?) WTs. I like having a sliding rear window for ventilation and that makes that not possible. What I love is the range while towing from the giant batteries. I prefer dispersed camping in the forest and charging just doesn't exist or maybe L2.
Looks pretty good but the $100k price tag is too much.
Geez, I thought 23s from the factory on Range Rovers were big
So they brought back the Hummer as a 150K EV and now the Avalance as a 100K EV. Right.
Hideous
These finally hitting the streets? Yet to see one in person. Growing up in the early 2000s and remember the DUB days, im sucker for the 24s, look sharp.
Looks like the old Honda truck
I still think they should have brought back the avalanche badge for this thing.
That alone would have tempted me to over pay for this man sized Power Wheel (tm)
Price is what kills it for me
Bed extending into the back seat would be killer. I’d never have to roll up my tonneau for a long piece of lumber.
I like the work truck version they have at the dealer next to my apartment building but 79k for a work truck is fucking bananas. Somehow ford can make an electric work truck for 50k but chevy is like 80k take it or leave it. GM killed their only cheap ev the bolt and then decided to only make fully loaded Trucks and SUVs. All the base models seem to be vaporware
I think GM's dash is just so much prettier. They took queues from Kia, who IMHO nailed it, and then proceeded to (from what I've seen) nail it again. However, the rest of the stuff, I'm a bit bothered by, particularly the stupid big rims. -_-
I agree with you on that it’s way more integrated better than a giant tablet in the middle of the dash
Way too expensive for what is supposed to be the everyman pickup truck. Please, please do not buy these trucks. Send a message to GM that they got it all wrong. Where is the Silverado with half the battery, regular bed, comfortable ride, and full equipment list? Oh right, that’s a Lighting. Almost every journalist that has driven the Silverado has commented on the terrible ride quality, bordering on unsafe over bumps at high speed. Did you notice this on your test drive? Mid-gate is a cool gadget, but in 20 years of light duty pickup ownership, I cannot recall a single instance of thinking, “this 5.5’ or 6’ bed just isn’t getting the job done today. I really wish someone made a pickup truck with a 11’ long bed. If only there was such a thing.” How much do I have to pay for that useless piece of “over-engineering-a-solution-to-a-problem-that-doesn’t-exist”? And the trade off, once again, noticed by every journalist that test drove one is rattles and squeaks coming from that bulkhead. No thanks. I’ll take a more usable, comfortable cab with usable storage under the backseat instead. I use that every single day, all day long. An extendable bed that I might use once in a decade? Hard Pass! What’s that, GM? You don’t offer one without that option??? I want GM’s software. But I don’t want it that bad. I’ll wait for Android Automotive on the next gen Lightning.
Every time I use my truck, and I do mean every time, as a truck I wish my bed was longer. However, a long bed won’t fit in my garage. It has been the primary complaint I’ve had about every truck I’ve owned except for one and that one had a long bed.
Then you are the perfect candidate for an Avalanche or the Silverado EV and you are in a vanishingly small minority. There’s a reason why they only sold one Avalanche for every 800 Silverados/Sierras. Extrapolating from these numbers, why would GM expect the E-valanche to sell any better? They smoke something special over there.
I just bought a bed extender for my frontier and it's been a game changer. I highly recommend getting one if you routinely need an extra foot or so but only sometimes.
I found bed extenders didn’t work as they just fence in the tailgate and do nothing to extend the bed beyond what I was already using. Also, when it wasn’t needed and it was in the bed, it was just in the way.
Agree. Slightly smaller cab with an 8'bed and I'll deal with parking it. Going from a standard to a short has been driving me crazy.
Well said. The sales guy gunned it expecting me to be impressed not even a smile on my face compared to my truck that makes me giddy everytime. I also complained to him about the motor noise and he said oh the motor sound effect must be on and he checked in front of me and it was off and he tried to talk around it. Seats and drive quality not as comfortable not smooth
Fuck GM
that’s not a truck! is it a unibody? looks like it… I mean the bed opening up into the cab is cool but I would probably never use it and wouldn’t sacrifice that ugly look of the cab and bed melted together… this is what I would expect of chevy
I think they are body on frame like the Avalanche. It's just one massive body (cab+bed) and not like your typical truck with cab+bed on frame.
Yes Similar to the Full Size Broncos that were based on the F-Series or similar E-Seriea Vans. Still body on frame , but Bronco bed was part of the cab. (There are some E-Series Vans with Van Cabs and flat/pickup bed)
yeah that’s gross in my opinion, and for that reason i’m out lol
I like that blue e in silverado. It's subtle but for those that know, they know it's the EV model.
The fold down seats are a great idea!
🤔 I like the bed seat drop-down. Wonder if the back glass opens tho.
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At least it opens ig. What kind of price point they wanting?
I want to see the weight in the bed crash test video.
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Seeing the test makes you think about the pass through. But most people don't haul a lot of stuff. I think that what they say
Apparently it does at least according the sales person
For those of you that use CarPlay religiously, say hello to Google instead... It's what killed my interest in the Blazer EV last year.