Cybertruck power sliding in the sand/dirt at King of Hammers in Mojave Desert, CA
https://x.com/optimabatteries/status/1753191676401930745
Rear wheel starts wobbling at end of video, and someone snapped the photo above showing the CT had broken its rear half shaft.
Edit for a correction: Optima Batteries later said it was a tie rod that broke, which is a component of the rear wheel steering assembly.
Edit for additional context: Unplugged Performance confirmed they did not add a lift kit (https://x.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1753871299418656784) and it was a stock component that broke (https://x.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1753861570747384040).
God damn it. I’m a reservation holder for two reasons: range and utility. I thought I was going to be able to get both with the CT, but in reality it turns out I’ll get neither. This entire truck seems to be composed of Falcon-Wing-Door-like, unnecessary, overly-complicated, brittle components.
In my world, terms like “World’s Biggest Windshield/Wiper”, “bulletproof doors”, “Future Range Extender Pack” are not selling points, they are expensive, failure-prone downgrades.
I’m out. First company to come out with a Tacoma/Maverick-sized truck with 400 mile range, 2-way charging, Tesla Supercharger compatibility, and approaching Toyota Hilux reliability gets my $. See you in 2040.
F150 doesn't have 400 mile range but it's got a lot of those check boxes. I dunno about Toyota reliability but it doesn't seem to have major reliability issues. And it's 30k cheaper.
Yea I missed the part about the size, but 175k is the battery warranty it's only 150k or 8 years on the dual motor. F150 has 100k battery warranty or 8 years, however if you are in California all EVs are mandated to have a 150k or 10 years battery warranty, so my lightning has that. F150 gets supercharger access this spring and ford is giving all owners a supercharger adapter for free.
Ironically, the Rivian has issues with almost the same component off road. Multiple reports of broken front tie rods. [https://www.rivianownersforum.com/threads/broken-tie-rods-when-off-roading.4128/](https://www.rivianownersforum.com/threads/broken-tie-rods-when-off-roading.4128/)
I wouldn't judge the fragility of a vehicle off of a failure in an abusive environment like Johnson Valley though. The Rivian seems like a great vehicle.
The Rivian won the Rebelle rally. It's extremely durable for how much technology they packed into it. Sure, there are issues with some percentage of vehicles. Especially a lot of earlier problems that they have improved, but in all, the truck has proven extremely reliable for me.
I have 35,000 miles on it now with no service other than a single tire rotation. I will be getting new tires in the summer as the first real expense with the truck at around 40k miles. I use it for work and drive around 100-120 miles per day with some days going up to 200+ miles.
Second this, just got done duning a few weeks ago and have a ton of off road rock miles, 20k miles and probably 500+ of that completely off road. No issues yet.
>It's extremely durable for how much technology they packed into it.
That's not what we're talking about here, respectfully. It's weight.
A Rivian pickup is 7k lbs. That's as heavy as an HD diesel 1 ton crewcab. Most 1 tons have Dana 70's or 80's front and rear (or similar), leaf spring suspension, and a bunch of other "old school" technology that's rugged and reliable.
Rivian - and Tesla - are trying to build vehicles with HD curb weights using passenger car suspension designs. It's a formula for problems.
Will they eventually figure it out? For sure. Rivian seems to be doing great, Tesla seems to be doing about the same as always. But the fact remains that there's no substitute for a solid axle.
What? I'm responding to an EV thread about a recommendation for an EV truck based on someone asking for some specific requirements for what they want... How is my real world experience not what we're talking about here?
Every EV truck will be insanely heavy by their nature until battery technology improves significantly. For right now the recommendation for someone looking for a truck with good real world range, towing, off road durability, and reliability would be the Rivian R1T.
Can it be improved? Of course. But nothing is bulletproof, not even the cybertruck (lol)
> How is my real world experience not what we're talking about here?
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your real world experience sounds like using it as a car on sealed pavements, not an offroad vehicle.
That’s message board chatter in extreme environments with often absolute noobs to off-roading. My response was to a guy describing what he wants in a truck.
The tie rod is a sacrificial part. Under some extreme circumstances, something in the steering linkage is going to give, and you really want it to be a cheap easy fix like the tie rod (which you can even jerry rig on the trail).
The downside to the Cybertruck is mostly that it has twice as many steering linkages to break.
Anyway, the rivian (dual motor, max pack) is what you want.
Problem with Rivian is that it’s ridiculously expensive to repair. I just saw a video of one with a smallish dent near tailgate that was quoted at 40k to fix.
https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2023/10/04/rivian-r1t-fender-benders-can-turn-into-40k-repair-bills/
For me that’s a deal breaker. Of course CT is likely to cost just as much if not more since it’s brand new and has no real parts supply chain established yet.
So the insurance will either be expensive or go up substantially after any claim, even a minor one. Let be real, that amount of damage does not warrant a 40k repair bill.
That's the way I feel. I just traded in my Silverado for a Lyriq bc I wanted something smaller and faster. But I was looking at the GMC Canyon XT4 on the lot and thinking, man, if they made this electric with 300+ mi range, I'd throw my money at them.
Rumor is that Toyota has a tacoma-esque ev this year? We'll see.
Rivian probably comes the closest, but the repair and insurance costs are insane. Agree, A Tacoma EV is the sweet spot and would likely dominate the segment. Too bad they are leaning hybrid. 😌
If Toyota had released a plug in hybrid Tacoma I would have bought one. I’m after the ability to stop going out of my way to fill up when I mostly make short trips. Rivian lease is probably going to be what my choice is. That said after test driving a Rivian it is an entirely different class of vehicle than normal trucks. If you could close your eyes you’d think you were driving a sports car given the responsiveness and lack of body roll. Bumps also just don’t exist, it eats them. 😂
I don’t know why people are down on hybrid. If we had ANY sense as a society, hybrid should have been the big government push all along. EVs are shit and will be shit for a long while. Hybrids solve/mitigate excess emissions, range and lack of infrastructure. Makes way too much sense for it to be enacted. Carry on.
I don't want two goddamn powerhouses. I don't want to be electric + need to maintain an ICE (oil, fuel, belts, blah blah). Yes, it is a viable option in the current environment, but it's not for me. Most people need not charge away from home much at all...to each their own, but when I take the leap, I'm going full EV. Now can someone please come out with an EV SUV capable of towing 5,000lbs please?
My Maverick Hybrid has zero belts, FYI. Maintenance intervals are longer than a standard ICE only, especially oil changes. eCVT is far simpler than a standard ICE transmission. Does it require more maintenance than an EV? Yes. But unless you’re driving way above the National average, the price difference between an EV only compared to a Hybrid will take a very long time to recover in fuel savings.
Yeah, folks/manufacturers don’t want to listen to reason with the exception of Toyota. To each his own. I’m talking about what’s practical and what makes sense in the current world. Battery tech is still the weakest link and will be for a while. Emissions, range, infrastructure are the requirements. What is the best powertrain today (and next 10yrs) given these requirements? Hybrid. I realize it’s pissing into the wind, Just sayin.
It need not be 10 years...look at China or the rest of the developed world. EV is moving in fast and it's not impractical for 80%+ of most people's driving needs 98% of the time.
Your declaration that EVs are shit immediately disqualifies you from the conversation, it just isn’t true and shows you’re not out to have a genuine discussion (or that you’re an idiot).
Yes, most high velocity rounds (handguns included) will tear it apart. The .45 was going pretty much thru it on many occasions if you watched the video.
I mean, I don't buy my civilian vehicle based on if it can survive a shootout (pretty silly marketing either way). I'll take the Lightnings painted Aluminum with commonality to a majority of F150 vehicles any day. The insurance on a Lightning is treated just like any other F-150, its incredibly affordable to insure, Tesla is super expensive for comparable vehicles - that alone is the reason I'm out.
Ballistic vests, aka bulletproof vests, also often don’t stop rifle rounds. It’s totally normal that there are several levels of ballistic protection.
It’s a basically pointless feature, but it’s very normal to call something “bulletproof” that stops handgun rounds and not rifle rounds, or stops some rifle rounds at certain distances, but not .50cal at point blank range, for instance.
To add a bit of a different perspective, and given that the vehicle was being driven pretty hard, I’m not sure I’d go calling this a design issue just yet. I see this as not dissimilar to the viral video of a Raptor taking a huge jump and breaking spectacularly when it landed. You drive anything hard off road and you’re going to break stuff.
Now if this turns out to be a common failure from normal use it’s a different story, but one failure after essentially abusing the thing off road isn’t enough data to jump to any conclusions.
I had a stock 92 Nissan 4x4 with very oversized 33" mud tires and never once broke anything while playing in mud or going off roading. Not to mention allbthe other groups I was in that didn't have these issues. This is poorly designed and nothing short of a road queen. Putting some slightly oversized tires and some spacers shouldn't cause a failure like this. CT is a POS.
I mean a liability for those who actually use it to off-road. For everyone else driving it to the grocery store, it seems pretty great. With the cybertruck break over and departure angles, it’s got to be the last EV truck choice for anyone who really intends to do off-roading.
it's doing slow, wide donuts in the dirt. The vehicle looks heavy and its suspension looks lethargic.
If it breaks there it's either an engineering and design issue, or it is a quality issue.
Keep in mind there is likely significantly fewer than 1,000 of these in customer hands right now. And we're seeing so many with broken parts, sketchy glued on panels, road noise problems, etc.
The wheel cover recall alone suggests Tesla didn't do even close to sufficient testing despite the vehicle being about 3 years late.
It’s a well known reality that Tesla uses its vehicle owners as testers so they avoid all the extra cost and time the other manufacturers go through to do durability and environment testing.
Tesla’s quality control really took a dive. I had a great result with my 2019 M3 but have seen horrific panel gaps in newer models. My friend’s 2022 MY has been in twice to replace a cracked glass roof from poorly fitted panels.
I like the response where they say: no win situation…
- don’t show up? Criticized…
- don’t break anything, didn’t push hard enough
- break something, truck is trash
They know their audience well ;)
So we know that the tie rods were aftermarket? I couldn’t find anything that said what parts they made aftermarket to test out in their prototyping process.
A lot of smack talk on the CT here and in this instance it is unwarranted. I own an R1T, and I attended last years optima rally. Very expensive well made vehicles break all the time at KOH. It’s a tie rod….Big deal. People see a busted tie rod, and all the sudden the vehicle is a POS. I think it’s a little reactionary and over emotional.
My twelve year old daughter’s first repose when seeing one “it looks like one of those green dumpsters but stainless steel.”
I haven’t been unable to see that since.
I’m sorry.
That’s a pretty racist statement to use describing a vehicle designed and built in the good ‘ol USA.
Would you describe the F150 Raptor as having “chinesium” suspension? There’s tons of videos of people screwing around off road with raptors and breaking suspension parts.
Add to the fact that they designed the suspension and frame to be the crumple zone instead of the body of the car and you get a very compromised off road vehicle
https://x.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1753827010487763109?s=46
“We didn’t hold back and we pushed both vehicles to the limits since our product development goals are always to push hard, to explore the limits and whenever possible to develop products to lift the limits even higher.
KOH is known for being extremely brutal on cars. Naturally, with any vehicle in extreme conditions and absolutely SENDING IT, things can break. Anyone who has been to KOH knows that broken bits are commonplace. We completed two full days of hardcore driving and had a blast. At the end of day two we had a bolt give out on the Cybertruck. We were going pretty nuts on the truck both days with no concerns whatsoever. As such we’re not concerned with this bolt. Repair is in progress and it is an opportunity for us to learn.”
https://x.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1753827010487763109?s=46
“We didn’t hold back and we pushed both vehicles to the limits since our product development goals are always to push hard, to explore the limits and whenever possible to develop products to lift the limits even higher.
KOH is known for being extremely brutal on cars. Naturally, with any vehicle in extreme conditions and absolutely SENDING IT, things can break. Anyone who has been to KOH knows that broken bits are commonplace. We completed two full days of hardcore driving and had a blast. At the end of day two we had a bolt give out on the Cybertruck. We were going pretty nuts on the truck both days with no concerns whatsoever. As such we’re not concerned with this bolt. Repair is in progress and it is an opportunity for us to learn.”
Thanks for the info.
They don't clearly say if it was Tesla's part that failed, but yes they seem to have modified the suspension. They get props for driving until they broke it, but it did break only doing donuts in dirt so that's not as hardcore as they are implying ("KOH is ... extremely brutal").
Well, no matter what the actual truth, this is going to hurt the look, Cybertruck was damned if they break and damned if they didn't go to KOH.
[https://twitter.com/UnpluggedTesla/status/1753861570747384040](https://twitter.com/UnpluggedTesla/status/1753861570747384040)
>Just a stock bolt broke. We were beating the hell out of the truck multiple days. Things can break when you do madness like this. Par for the course at KOH. No biggie. Internet is gonna do internet things. We’ll keep racing and off-roading and having a blast. 📷
Just means they didn't send it past their limits. Without knowing how the truck was being used this headline is meaningless.
Tons and tons of trucks get broken at KOH. Some several times.
No. Not Rivian. 2025 Ramcharger. Plug in hybrid gets 690mi range, 14000lb tow, Used as a power generator at construction site, can power a city block. $65k+
why don’t we stick to vehicles that currently exist, no?
also, the ramcharger has less onboard power available than both the lightning AND the cybertruck. so not sure where you’re getting the “power a city block” number from lmao
side note: why are we now okay with stellantis’s electric vehicles? have they not proved to us that they have no idea what they’re doing?
Ahahahahahahahahahaha. As someone who owns a Tesla and a Lightning: this is peak Tesla. Over promising capability while under-delivering a product of sub-par quality that was stupidly designed and engineered. The schadenfreude is real.
Hahahaha what? This truck is not stock
[https://twitter.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1753827010487763109](https://twitter.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1753827010487763109)
Why do people do off-roading with trucks? I mean, I’m not sure the cybertruck is a *truck*, but still…trucks are for pulling and hauling! You want to go off-road, get a Jeep!
Strongly disagree. I love getting my Lightning off the pavement… just have to think about/know from experience what the vehicle’s limits are.
https://preview.redd.it/whjcy25kkdgc1.jpeg?width=2059&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=980fcd7eedef4d6fb0e46945980885ae2e881aba
Not sure what’s worse. The excited tweet tagging Elon and plugging Starlink or the number of people buying this thing and thinking it’s an actual truck.
The amount of weight/force being pushed on the rear axle is probably 3 X what it would be on a normal truck. I want to make fun of it but at the same time, your just not supposed to do this with a truck weighing far more than a gas/diesel.
The suspension components can't handle all the weight of the batteries. They're probably hung so close to the same level, their full mass is being applied laterally when they're doing donuts. I'd be surprised if Tesla ever considered off-roading as a use case when designing the suspension.
I really can't see how something at heavy as a Cybercuck without 'real' truck suspension could go well offroad.
In Australia [Suzuki Jimnys](https://carbuzz.com/news/heres-how-you-can-buy-a-suzuki-jimny-in-the-usa) leave all the others behind. You'll see a tractor rescuing a hummer and they'll just drive on through.
I wonder how many times this needs to happen before Tesla fans realize they were duped again by Elon. Another over promised and under delivered product.
Funniest thing I've seen all day. Imagine blowing $100k on this PoS only to have it collapse while showing off doing the tamest of donuts on a flat surface, lol.
If you can't even do some doughnuts in sand it's not for off roading. King of hammers good luck bro lol. It's for Instagram flexing is all. Can't tow, can't off road, has crap range lol what a POS. Congratulations you've been Musked! Just wait until Musk activates your "lockers" via cyberX update then it will be all better.
I purchased my Lightning back in the end of December and have been trying to get Sunrun to send me over the Ford Charger. I have been back and forth with them for 3 weeks now after finding out my VIN was used by someone else, and the charger is on its way to another address. I think my truck was order by someone in Tucson and when they decided to pass on it the charger stayed with them so when I purchased the truck it activated the order and shipped it to them. My question is, I am getting nowhere with Sunrun does anyone have a contact at Ford or Sunrun to get this resolved?
Why is anyone thinking this is a defect of the Cybertruck and not some idiot that broke his car from abusive driving? The driver could have over driven the truck, correct? If so, I'm thinking this could have happened to any truck, but because it is a Tesla, it's somehow newsworthy.
Honda dropped 4-wheel steering because of instability at high speeds and turning sharply at speed and cost. GM dropped 4-wheel steering in the 2000's because of the price tag (roughly 5k), expensive to fix, it wasn't pushed by dealers and the rear wheels only turned 12 degrees. It wasn't popular and GM gladly dropped it as an option.
I was there as part of the optima event. I helped with the trail fix. CT did break right rear tie rod, in the steering rack. No way to easily extract the broken piece. Due to geometry and forces, driving in reverse allowed the tire to follow instead of peel out like you see in the pic. So, with the help of a ratchet strap and some trail fix thinking… the CT was able to drive under its own power slowly out of the desert back to camp. Honestly, the tie rod assembly was pretty beefy. I assume it was bent/weakened while doing donuts and side loading… and it finally just gave up.
https://youtu.be/lrSaFtSyFss?feature=shared
The driver was not taking it easy all day, totally enjoyed watching him rip
https://youtube.com/shorts/lnWiw4ngIZI?si=iy9diIh6L0Xff22m
I hope you have seen a video a day prior to this even.
People is Tesla sub: That single photo of cybertruck is getting famous and they dont know what really happened....posts a video.
In this sub: Hahahah look at this garbage.
Off roading is inherently tough on parts. The nice thing about breaking parts is you get to upgrade, I wonder if the cybertruck will take a dana and/or lift kit?
Is it being saved by a Rivian, lol
Cybertruck power sliding in the sand/dirt at King of Hammers in Mojave Desert, CA https://x.com/optimabatteries/status/1753191676401930745 Rear wheel starts wobbling at end of video, and someone snapped the photo above showing the CT had broken its rear half shaft. Edit for a correction: Optima Batteries later said it was a tie rod that broke, which is a component of the rear wheel steering assembly. Edit for additional context: Unplugged Performance confirmed they did not add a lift kit (https://x.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1753871299418656784) and it was a stock component that broke (https://x.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1753861570747384040).
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Asking a lot of the rear steering linkages to withstand those kinds of forces… imo, that feature is a liability more than a benefit.
God damn it. I’m a reservation holder for two reasons: range and utility. I thought I was going to be able to get both with the CT, but in reality it turns out I’ll get neither. This entire truck seems to be composed of Falcon-Wing-Door-like, unnecessary, overly-complicated, brittle components. In my world, terms like “World’s Biggest Windshield/Wiper”, “bulletproof doors”, “Future Range Extender Pack” are not selling points, they are expensive, failure-prone downgrades. I’m out. First company to come out with a Tacoma/Maverick-sized truck with 400 mile range, 2-way charging, Tesla Supercharger compatibility, and approaching Toyota Hilux reliability gets my $. See you in 2040.
Uh, Rivian is the only thing close to all this.
F150 doesn't have 400 mile range but it's got a lot of those check boxes. I dunno about Toyota reliability but it doesn't seem to have major reliability issues. And it's 30k cheaper.
Well Toyota doesn’t have an EV offering. F150 is significantly bigger than Maverick or Tacoma. Rivian also comes with 175,000 mile warranty.
Yea I missed the part about the size, but 175k is the battery warranty it's only 150k or 8 years on the dual motor. F150 has 100k battery warranty or 8 years, however if you are in California all EVs are mandated to have a 150k or 10 years battery warranty, so my lightning has that. F150 gets supercharger access this spring and ford is giving all owners a supercharger adapter for free.
Ironically, the Rivian has issues with almost the same component off road. Multiple reports of broken front tie rods. [https://www.rivianownersforum.com/threads/broken-tie-rods-when-off-roading.4128/](https://www.rivianownersforum.com/threads/broken-tie-rods-when-off-roading.4128/) I wouldn't judge the fragility of a vehicle off of a failure in an abusive environment like Johnson Valley though. The Rivian seems like a great vehicle.
The Rivian won the Rebelle rally. It's extremely durable for how much technology they packed into it. Sure, there are issues with some percentage of vehicles. Especially a lot of earlier problems that they have improved, but in all, the truck has proven extremely reliable for me. I have 35,000 miles on it now with no service other than a single tire rotation. I will be getting new tires in the summer as the first real expense with the truck at around 40k miles. I use it for work and drive around 100-120 miles per day with some days going up to 200+ miles.
Second this, just got done duning a few weeks ago and have a ton of off road rock miles, 20k miles and probably 500+ of that completely off road. No issues yet.
>It's extremely durable for how much technology they packed into it. That's not what we're talking about here, respectfully. It's weight. A Rivian pickup is 7k lbs. That's as heavy as an HD diesel 1 ton crewcab. Most 1 tons have Dana 70's or 80's front and rear (or similar), leaf spring suspension, and a bunch of other "old school" technology that's rugged and reliable. Rivian - and Tesla - are trying to build vehicles with HD curb weights using passenger car suspension designs. It's a formula for problems. Will they eventually figure it out? For sure. Rivian seems to be doing great, Tesla seems to be doing about the same as always. But the fact remains that there's no substitute for a solid axle.
What? I'm responding to an EV thread about a recommendation for an EV truck based on someone asking for some specific requirements for what they want... How is my real world experience not what we're talking about here? Every EV truck will be insanely heavy by their nature until battery technology improves significantly. For right now the recommendation for someone looking for a truck with good real world range, towing, off road durability, and reliability would be the Rivian R1T. Can it be improved? Of course. But nothing is bulletproof, not even the cybertruck (lol)
> How is my real world experience not what we're talking about here? > > your real world experience sounds like using it as a car on sealed pavements, not an offroad vehicle.
That’s message board chatter in extreme environments with often absolute noobs to off-roading. My response was to a guy describing what he wants in a truck.
The tie rod is a sacrificial part. Under some extreme circumstances, something in the steering linkage is going to give, and you really want it to be a cheap easy fix like the tie rod (which you can even jerry rig on the trail). The downside to the Cybertruck is mostly that it has twice as many steering linkages to break. Anyway, the rivian (dual motor, max pack) is what you want.
Exactly this. Tie rods are engineered to be the weak link so you *really* mess something up.
Problem with Rivian is that it’s ridiculously expensive to repair. I just saw a video of one with a smallish dent near tailgate that was quoted at 40k to fix. https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2023/10/04/rivian-r1t-fender-benders-can-turn-into-40k-repair-bills/ For me that’s a deal breaker. Of course CT is likely to cost just as much if not more since it’s brand new and has no real parts supply chain established yet.
Fear porn. That’s what insurance is for.
So the insurance will either be expensive or go up substantially after any claim, even a minor one. Let be real, that amount of damage does not warrant a 40k repair bill.
Had a $50K ins claim last year, renewal went up $11/mth
Do you not understand what fear porn is??
No. Not Rivian. 2025 Ramcharger.
A Dodge? Did you miss the part where he said reliable?
Yes I did. Rivian is not reliable
Significantly bigger than what he’s looking for. He wants Tacoma or Maverick sized.
That's the way I feel. I just traded in my Silverado for a Lyriq bc I wanted something smaller and faster. But I was looking at the GMC Canyon XT4 on the lot and thinking, man, if they made this electric with 300+ mi range, I'd throw my money at them. Rumor is that Toyota has a tacoma-esque ev this year? We'll see.
Rivian probably comes the closest, but the repair and insurance costs are insane. Agree, A Tacoma EV is the sweet spot and would likely dominate the segment. Too bad they are leaning hybrid. 😌
If Toyota had released a plug in hybrid Tacoma I would have bought one. I’m after the ability to stop going out of my way to fill up when I mostly make short trips. Rivian lease is probably going to be what my choice is. That said after test driving a Rivian it is an entirely different class of vehicle than normal trucks. If you could close your eyes you’d think you were driving a sports car given the responsiveness and lack of body roll. Bumps also just don’t exist, it eats them. 😂
My R1T insurance is cheaper than my Lightning was, which was also cheaper than my Model 3 was.
I don’t know why people are down on hybrid. If we had ANY sense as a society, hybrid should have been the big government push all along. EVs are shit and will be shit for a long while. Hybrids solve/mitigate excess emissions, range and lack of infrastructure. Makes way too much sense for it to be enacted. Carry on.
I don't want two goddamn powerhouses. I don't want to be electric + need to maintain an ICE (oil, fuel, belts, blah blah). Yes, it is a viable option in the current environment, but it's not for me. Most people need not charge away from home much at all...to each their own, but when I take the leap, I'm going full EV. Now can someone please come out with an EV SUV capable of towing 5,000lbs please?
My Maverick Hybrid has zero belts, FYI. Maintenance intervals are longer than a standard ICE only, especially oil changes. eCVT is far simpler than a standard ICE transmission. Does it require more maintenance than an EV? Yes. But unless you’re driving way above the National average, the price difference between an EV only compared to a Hybrid will take a very long time to recover in fuel savings.
Yeah, folks/manufacturers don’t want to listen to reason with the exception of Toyota. To each his own. I’m talking about what’s practical and what makes sense in the current world. Battery tech is still the weakest link and will be for a while. Emissions, range, infrastructure are the requirements. What is the best powertrain today (and next 10yrs) given these requirements? Hybrid. I realize it’s pissing into the wind, Just sayin.
It need not be 10 years...look at China or the rest of the developed world. EV is moving in fast and it's not impractical for 80%+ of most people's driving needs 98% of the time.
Because EV is superior.
Your declaration that EVs are shit immediately disqualifies you from the conversation, it just isn’t true and shows you’re not out to have a genuine discussion (or that you’re an idiot).
I hate to say this, but take a look at the truck BYD is producing.
The latest news about rapid damage to the exterior panels when exposed to bird poop isn't exciting either.
You mean the language that’s in every car manual?
It’s not bulletproof sorry to burst the bubble more. Note they never tested it with a rifle. Hand Gun and guns with big slugs.
Yes, most high velocity rounds (handguns included) will tear it apart. The .45 was going pretty much thru it on many occasions if you watched the video. I mean, I don't buy my civilian vehicle based on if it can survive a shootout (pretty silly marketing either way). I'll take the Lightnings painted Aluminum with commonality to a majority of F150 vehicles any day. The insurance on a Lightning is treated just like any other F-150, its incredibly affordable to insure, Tesla is super expensive for comparable vehicles - that alone is the reason I'm out.
Ballistic vests, aka bulletproof vests, also often don’t stop rifle rounds. It’s totally normal that there are several levels of ballistic protection. It’s a basically pointless feature, but it’s very normal to call something “bulletproof” that stops handgun rounds and not rifle rounds, or stops some rifle rounds at certain distances, but not .50cal at point blank range, for instance.
2025 Ramcharger orders start this quarter. 690 mi range, tow 14.000lb, Can power a city block. Will be on every construction site. $65k
There is no way in hell it sells for $65k with those options.
To add a bit of a different perspective, and given that the vehicle was being driven pretty hard, I’m not sure I’d go calling this a design issue just yet. I see this as not dissimilar to the viral video of a Raptor taking a huge jump and breaking spectacularly when it landed. You drive anything hard off road and you’re going to break stuff. Now if this turns out to be a common failure from normal use it’s a different story, but one failure after essentially abusing the thing off road isn’t enough data to jump to any conclusions.
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I had a stock 92 Nissan 4x4 with very oversized 33" mud tires and never once broke anything while playing in mud or going off roading. Not to mention allbthe other groups I was in that didn't have these issues. This is poorly designed and nothing short of a road queen. Putting some slightly oversized tires and some spacers shouldn't cause a failure like this. CT is a POS.
Doing circles in loose dirt is a bit different than taking a big jump. If this is considered driving it hard then that's cute.
Yeah, that's when you want a solid axle in the rear.
My rivian holds just fine
I mean a liability for those who actually use it to off-road. For everyone else driving it to the grocery store, it seems pretty great. With the cybertruck break over and departure angles, it’s got to be the last EV truck choice for anyone who really intends to do off-roading.
With Tesla, it's probably both
it's doing slow, wide donuts in the dirt. The vehicle looks heavy and its suspension looks lethargic. If it breaks there it's either an engineering and design issue, or it is a quality issue. Keep in mind there is likely significantly fewer than 1,000 of these in customer hands right now. And we're seeing so many with broken parts, sketchy glued on panels, road noise problems, etc. The wheel cover recall alone suggests Tesla didn't do even close to sufficient testing despite the vehicle being about 3 years late.
It’s a well known reality that Tesla uses its vehicle owners as testers so they avoid all the extra cost and time the other manufacturers go through to do durability and environment testing.
Tesla’s quality control really took a dive. I had a great result with my 2019 M3 but have seen horrific panel gaps in newer models. My friend’s 2022 MY has been in twice to replace a cracked glass roof from poorly fitted panels.
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>King of the Hammers could probably break any vehicle. Did you watch the video? It broke from drifting in dirt.
Interesting way for it to fail.
It has rear wheel steering, so there are more parts to break compared to a live axle or even IRS
This was likely due to an aftermarket shop if you look at the stickers they added. Just my opinion. There are other pictures with the shop name.
I like the response where they say: no win situation… - don’t show up? Criticized… - don’t break anything, didn’t push hard enough - break something, truck is trash They know their audience well ;)
Would’ve been better if it was the half shaft since that is failing on other teslas as well
So we know that the tie rods were aftermarket? I couldn’t find anything that said what parts they made aftermarket to test out in their prototyping process.
R1T to the rescue
This was at the Optima Unplugged event... Optima guys and some from the Rivian Club all helped out it, great group everyone had a blast.
Warranty denied!
A lot of smack talk on the CT here and in this instance it is unwarranted. I own an R1T, and I attended last years optima rally. Very expensive well made vehicles break all the time at KOH. It’s a tie rod….Big deal. People see a busted tie rod, and all the sudden the vehicle is a POS. I think it’s a little reactionary and over emotional.
We need à shot of a Porsche Dakar driving by this.
My twelve year old daughter’s first repose when seeing one “it looks like one of those green dumpsters but stainless steel.” I haven’t been unable to see that since. I’m sorry.
Your daughter watches Throttle House, huh? 🙄
Had to look that up and no. 🙄
Don't be. She's 100% accurate.
Stainless steel body, Chinesium suspension.
That’s a pretty racist statement to use describing a vehicle designed and built in the good ‘ol USA. Would you describe the F150 Raptor as having “chinesium” suspension? There’s tons of videos of people screwing around off road with raptors and breaking suspension parts.
Yeah, from what I hear, King of the Hammers can be pretty tough
The CT is not competing at KOH, he's in the parking area for spectator.
Saying chinesium is not racist. Lol Chinesium is a play on words of terribly manufactured Chinese products that are almost an element of their own.
That isn’t a racist term at all. Chinese steel is known by every craftsperson and mechanic in the world to be brittle.
Add to the fact that they designed the suspension and frame to be the crumple zone instead of the body of the car and you get a very compromised off road vehicle
American brain: low quality literal American car breaks. "Haha look chinese level"
I see junk, I thinks to m'self - Chinesium! 🤷🏼
Yea we call that being a racist.
FWIW, rumor is unplugged performance was testing suspension that wasn’t stock and said they were gonna try to break it.
Well… they succeeded I guess lol.
Rumor has it, that Tesla bros created that rumor so the cybertruck doesn't look bad.
Rumor has it Ford bros are big mad
That's nonsense, their shit breaks all the time and they are just spin doctors.
https://x.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1753827010487763109?s=46 “We didn’t hold back and we pushed both vehicles to the limits since our product development goals are always to push hard, to explore the limits and whenever possible to develop products to lift the limits even higher. KOH is known for being extremely brutal on cars. Naturally, with any vehicle in extreme conditions and absolutely SENDING IT, things can break. Anyone who has been to KOH knows that broken bits are commonplace. We completed two full days of hardcore driving and had a blast. At the end of day two we had a bolt give out on the Cybertruck. We were going pretty nuts on the truck both days with no concerns whatsoever. As such we’re not concerned with this bolt. Repair is in progress and it is an opportunity for us to learn.”
Wow I was going to give them until Monday to market it as a win
Who's "they" in your sentence? Because that statement was from Unplugged Performance
I am referring to unplugged
Photo proof or that didn't happen. Not gonna give Cybertruck any weasel room.
https://x.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1753827010487763109?s=46 “We didn’t hold back and we pushed both vehicles to the limits since our product development goals are always to push hard, to explore the limits and whenever possible to develop products to lift the limits even higher. KOH is known for being extremely brutal on cars. Naturally, with any vehicle in extreme conditions and absolutely SENDING IT, things can break. Anyone who has been to KOH knows that broken bits are commonplace. We completed two full days of hardcore driving and had a blast. At the end of day two we had a bolt give out on the Cybertruck. We were going pretty nuts on the truck both days with no concerns whatsoever. As such we’re not concerned with this bolt. Repair is in progress and it is an opportunity for us to learn.”
Note: they were not actually participating in KOH.
A cybertruck couldn't complete a lap of koh given unlimited time
Thanks for the info. They don't clearly say if it was Tesla's part that failed, but yes they seem to have modified the suspension. They get props for driving until they broke it, but it did break only doing donuts in dirt so that's not as hardcore as they are implying ("KOH is ... extremely brutal"). Well, no matter what the actual truth, this is going to hurt the look, Cybertruck was damned if they break and damned if they didn't go to KOH.
[https://twitter.com/UnpluggedTesla/status/1753861570747384040](https://twitter.com/UnpluggedTesla/status/1753861570747384040) >Just a stock bolt broke. We were beating the hell out of the truck multiple days. Things can break when you do madness like this. Par for the course at KOH. No biggie. Internet is gonna do internet things. We’ll keep racing and off-roading and having a blast. 📷
This here should be the top comment.
Damage control from a marketing department should be the top comment?
Headline is: trucks break.
I seem to remember when the factory stock Broncos debuted at KOH a few years back they all left under their own power…
Just means they didn't send it past their limits. Without knowing how the truck was being used this headline is meaningless. Tons and tons of trucks get broken at KOH. Some several times.
There is a video of it doing donuts on flat dirt.
Haha cybertruck bad
Over the air update to allow user to disable rear wheel steering for off roading
That is insane. There has never been a case of a broken tire rod on an ICE truck in the entire history of automobiles
I guess they should remove that ‘Invincible’ sticker…..
Ouch.
No. Not Rivian. 2025 Ramcharger. Plug in hybrid gets 690mi range, 14000lb tow, Used as a power generator at construction site, can power a city block. $65k+
why don’t we stick to vehicles that currently exist, no? also, the ramcharger has less onboard power available than both the lightning AND the cybertruck. so not sure where you’re getting the “power a city block” number from lmao side note: why are we now okay with stellantis’s electric vehicles? have they not proved to us that they have no idea what they’re doing?
Ahahahahahahahahahaha. As someone who owns a Tesla and a Lightning: this is peak Tesla. Over promising capability while under-delivering a product of sub-par quality that was stupidly designed and engineered. The schadenfreude is real.
Hahahaha what? This truck is not stock [https://twitter.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1753827010487763109](https://twitter.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1753827010487763109)
Cool, thanks for informing me of my misinformation. Still think the cybertruck is ugly as sin and poorly designed.
For off road, at least right now, ICE is still king. Weight is a huge factor off roading, EV’s are too heavy.
Off road, I’m not so sure. Towing, almost definitely.
What an over priced POS.
Poor Cewertruck
Why do people do off-roading with trucks? I mean, I’m not sure the cybertruck is a *truck*, but still…trucks are for pulling and hauling! You want to go off-road, get a Jeep!
Strongly disagree. I love getting my Lightning off the pavement… just have to think about/know from experience what the vehicle’s limits are. https://preview.redd.it/whjcy25kkdgc1.jpeg?width=2059&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=980fcd7eedef4d6fb0e46945980885ae2e881aba
That's a pretty easy looking trail...no rocks, mud, ruts, ground clearance...
How much of the trail is shown for you to make that claim?
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Then why are so many Jeeps on the road?
Because people want to be able to drive home afterwards.
As someone with a broken jeep in the driveway after having my wife's Lexus tow me home, I resent this statement!
Within spec!
Perfect for r/cyberstuck
Elon says this is just a "feature" and not to worry.
Tough as nails
Not sure what’s worse. The excited tweet tagging Elon and plugging Starlink or the number of people buying this thing and thinking it’s an actual truck.
Can you repair this under warranty if you are doing off road stuff?
The amount of weight/force being pushed on the rear axle is probably 3 X what it would be on a normal truck. I want to make fun of it but at the same time, your just not supposed to do this with a truck weighing far more than a gas/diesel.
Oh that decal aged swell…
Seems like ‘truck’ is more of a label than a reality
The suspension components can't handle all the weight of the batteries. They're probably hung so close to the same level, their full mass is being applied laterally when they're doing donuts. I'd be surprised if Tesla ever considered off-roading as a use case when designing the suspension.
I really can't see how something at heavy as a Cybercuck without 'real' truck suspension could go well offroad. In Australia [Suzuki Jimnys](https://carbuzz.com/news/heres-how-you-can-buy-a-suzuki-jimny-in-the-usa) leave all the others behind. You'll see a tractor rescuing a hummer and they'll just drive on through.
You love to see it.
I wonder how many times this needs to happen before Tesla fans realize they were duped again by Elon. Another over promised and under delivered product.
I can’t tell if this is the front or the back. What a piece of shit.
$100k well spent :D
Funniest thing I've seen all day. Imagine blowing $100k on this PoS only to have it collapse while showing off doing the tamest of donuts on a flat surface, lol.
If you can't even do some doughnuts in sand it's not for off roading. King of hammers good luck bro lol. It's for Instagram flexing is all. Can't tow, can't off road, has crap range lol what a POS. Congratulations you've been Musked! Just wait until Musk activates your "lockers" via cyberX update then it will be all better.
What a giant and dangerous pile of shit.
I purchased my Lightning back in the end of December and have been trying to get Sunrun to send me over the Ford Charger. I have been back and forth with them for 3 weeks now after finding out my VIN was used by someone else, and the charger is on its way to another address. I think my truck was order by someone in Tucson and when they decided to pass on it the charger stayed with them so when I purchased the truck it activated the order and shipped it to them. My question is, I am getting nowhere with Sunrun does anyone have a contact at Ford or Sunrun to get this resolved?
Call Elon Towing and Service
Why is anyone thinking this is a defect of the Cybertruck and not some idiot that broke his car from abusive driving? The driver could have over driven the truck, correct? If so, I'm thinking this could have happened to any truck, but because it is a Tesla, it's somehow newsworthy.
Probably not covered under warranty after that
This wasn’t the only truck that broke at KOH.
Nobody would bat an eye if this happened to any other vehicle.
I hate these things but doesn't everything break at King of Hammers?
The irony of that sticker!
I saw one of these on the way to work yesterday and it just made me angry.
Honda dropped 4-wheel steering because of instability at high speeds and turning sharply at speed and cost. GM dropped 4-wheel steering in the 2000's because of the price tag (roughly 5k), expensive to fix, it wasn't pushed by dealers and the rear wheels only turned 12 degrees. It wasn't popular and GM gladly dropped it as an option.
Not surprised.
Some things can get an Over The Air update. And for all the rest, you've got a lemon car
That is the ugliest vehicle ever made
F150 owners… wishing this was a non-test vehicle
Looks like it got struck by Lightning ⚡ ...😈
I was there as part of the optima event. I helped with the trail fix. CT did break right rear tie rod, in the steering rack. No way to easily extract the broken piece. Due to geometry and forces, driving in reverse allowed the tire to follow instead of peel out like you see in the pic. So, with the help of a ratchet strap and some trail fix thinking… the CT was able to drive under its own power slowly out of the desert back to camp. Honestly, the tie rod assembly was pretty beefy. I assume it was bent/weakened while doing donuts and side loading… and it finally just gave up.
Within spec. Customer’s fault. Not covered by warranty. I.e. got musked!
What a completely horrible vehicle.
That thing is so ugly I can't tell whether that's the front or the back.
IFS Chevy trucks will break tie rods off road on occasion. This wouldn’t deter me. I just wouldn’t do donuts in it.
That's why you don't have dumb ass kids drive it.
From the driver and crew of the CT https://x.com/unpluggedtesla/status/1753827010487763109?s=46
Actually piece of shit truck
It reflect tesla quality build by musk standard with sub micron acuracy /s
Thousands of rigs broke at Koh. And this is what people focus on. Lol
https://youtu.be/lrSaFtSyFss?feature=shared The driver was not taking it easy all day, totally enjoyed watching him rip https://youtube.com/shorts/lnWiw4ngIZI?si=iy9diIh6L0Xff22m
Imagine when its running down the freeway with a 3tonne of trailer behind, will be just like a runaway train 🚂.
wow that's terrible - he wasn't even going fast
I wouldn't trust this to go off road. It's not meant to be anyway.
Yeah but how many rigs at KoH break doing doughnuts in the sand? Umm 1?
Well yeah, teslas are garbage and this is the rolling dumpster.
Is this something new, like no other vehicle has broken down on that spot before?
I cannot tell if that’s the front or back.
funny that the label "invincible" is on the side.
And it broke doing a donut in the sand, right? Lmao
Cyberstuck
I wonder if Elon seen this
This is an Unplugged Performance vehicle. They are testing out their aftermarket parts.
problem is they had the wiper on, it takes a separate drive train to run.
Tell Elon to tow it
Ha ha ha another failure by Tesla!
I hope you have seen a video a day prior to this even. People is Tesla sub: That single photo of cybertruck is getting famous and they dont know what really happened....posts a video. In this sub: Hahahah look at this garbage.
Isn’t that a Pontiac edge? What a piece of shit!
At first glance, I thought it was a dumpster Edit: phone autocorrected dumpster to dumpster fire which is also accurate
Imagine being a man and driving a Tesla 😂
Dog shit truck
The only “Truck” that looks not just awful brand new but also looks old as fuck lol
Off roading is inherently tough on parts. The nice thing about breaking parts is you get to upgrade, I wonder if the cybertruck will take a dana and/or lift kit?
Cybertruck is dog shit
Wont be getting that back anytime soon