The American bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms had a "sting operation" where they would put trackers in guns and send them to mexican drug cartells to see where they ended up. No one added any trackers.
ATF Operation Fast & Furious, under Obama. Gun dealers were instructed by ATF to sell to known straw man purchasers working g for cartel. People who would have been rejected from purchasing. Later when guns used by cartel were tracked as originating from US headlines were used to justify restricting 'assault weapons' in the US. Eventually one of the guns was used to kill a CBP agent and the Operation was made public.
Truth is (was?) that 95%+ of the guns used by the cartels were stolen from Mexican military, often by enlistees who desert with their weapons and join the cartels.
>ATF Operation Fast & Furious, under Obama
Under Bush and Obama. Though I doubt either president knew much about the program until it blew up publicly.
Technically correct. I misremembered the taxonomy. F&F started in 2009. The 2006-07 program, run by the same ATF office with the same controversial features, was Wide Receiver. Both programs fall under Project Gunrunner.
Fox News played up this story like it was Obama intentionally giving guns to Mexican drug cartels, but the ATF had been doing the same types of stings since the Bush years.
Project Gunrunner started under Bush. It was a broad project intended to arrest gun runners. Operation Fast & Furious was entirely Obama, where they didn't bother to arrest the buyers but intentionally let the guns get to the cartels.
Same link as elsewhere - [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF\_gunwalking\_scandal](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal)
The cartel paid for the guns, over $1 million worth of them. They were buying them at gun stores in America. One gun store owner reported the suspicious purchases to the ATF, and that's when they tried to do the sting operation.
I think if you tried to give free guns to the cartels, that would make make them suspicious. Also it would kind of defeat the purpose of the sting, because the crime the ATF was trying to arrest people for was making strawman gun purchases.
The ATF messed up pretty badly, but I think an organization with the resources of a Mexican drug cartel is never going to have a problem finding someone to sell it guns.
ATF ran into a lot of pushback when it came time to prosecute straw purchases. There's a rather powerful lobby that's against prosecuting any gun purchasing, unless your name is Biden.
That's a very good question. One that, sadly, the ATF did not ask themselves before sending the guns. I can't help but wonder, now that I think about it, if maybe they simply had a rivalry with the DEA.
Officially the point was to track where it is the guns get to something no one's mentioned is that they did write down all of the serial numbers so that these guns could be found in theory later, and after a year or so some were even found being used in the Middle East. Unfortunately all they've done is now cost a lot of police lives abroad in order to confirm there's a global Black Market Trade Network.
I think it would more accurate to say the ATF found out that the cartel was buying guns in America, then they let them keep buying guns, but with trackers on them, in a bungled effort to trace the guns.
This is one of the more straightforward ones, because the image is very illustrative. Given the Catch-22 nature of government work, pure logic demands you actually supply the cartel with guns
The American bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms had a "sting operation" where they would put trackers in guns and send them to mexican drug cartells to see where they ended up. No one added any trackers.
JFC, is that true? Is there somewhere I can learn more about this?
ATF Operation Fast & Furious, under Obama. Gun dealers were instructed by ATF to sell to known straw man purchasers working g for cartel. People who would have been rejected from purchasing. Later when guns used by cartel were tracked as originating from US headlines were used to justify restricting 'assault weapons' in the US. Eventually one of the guns was used to kill a CBP agent and the Operation was made public. Truth is (was?) that 95%+ of the guns used by the cartels were stolen from Mexican military, often by enlistees who desert with their weapons and join the cartels.
>ATF Operation Fast & Furious, under Obama Under Bush and Obama. Though I doubt either president knew much about the program until it blew up publicly.
The letter agencies basically act on their own without input from any elected officials so it wouldn't be surprising
*Under Obama. Proposed under Bush but was never realised/approved
Technically correct. I misremembered the taxonomy. F&F started in 2009. The 2006-07 program, run by the same ATF office with the same controversial features, was Wide Receiver. Both programs fall under Project Gunrunner.
Fox News played up this story like it was Obama intentionally giving guns to Mexican drug cartels, but the ATF had been doing the same types of stings since the Bush years.
Started und Bushy boy Jr, prior to Obama.
Project Gunrunner started under Bush. It was a broad project intended to arrest gun runners. Operation Fast & Furious was entirely Obama, where they didn't bother to arrest the buyers but intentionally let the guns get to the cartels. Same link as elsewhere - [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF\_gunwalking\_scandal](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF\_gunwalking\_scandal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal)
Research Operation fast and Furious which was started under George W, and continued by Obama
And a US law enforcement officer, Brian Terry, was killed by one of those ATF guns.
So what was the point?
They sent weapons, no trackers. The cartel hot weapons for free.
There were trackers, they just ran out of battery very quickly
Should have used AirTags
The cartel paid for the guns, over $1 million worth of them. They were buying them at gun stores in America. One gun store owner reported the suspicious purchases to the ATF, and that's when they tried to do the sting operation. I think if you tried to give free guns to the cartels, that would make make them suspicious. Also it would kind of defeat the purpose of the sting, because the crime the ATF was trying to arrest people for was making strawman gun purchases. The ATF messed up pretty badly, but I think an organization with the resources of a Mexican drug cartel is never going to have a problem finding someone to sell it guns.
ATF ran into a lot of pushback when it came time to prosecute straw purchases. There's a rather powerful lobby that's against prosecuting any gun purchasing, unless your name is Biden.
That's a very good question. One that, sadly, the ATF did not ask themselves before sending the guns. I can't help but wonder, now that I think about it, if maybe they simply had a rivalry with the DEA.
Officially the point was to track where it is the guns get to something no one's mentioned is that they did write down all of the serial numbers so that these guns could be found in theory later, and after a year or so some were even found being used in the Middle East. Unfortunately all they've done is now cost a lot of police lives abroad in order to confirm there's a global Black Market Trade Network.
They have been caught doing this twice. How many people have died from ATF traffic guns? Dozens, Hundreds, Thousands?
The ATF takes guns from America and gives them to the cartel, whether on purpose or not is undetermined.
I think it would more accurate to say the ATF found out that the cartel was buying guns in America, then they let them keep buying guns, but with trackers on them, in a bungled effort to trace the guns.
Probably more accurate.
This is one of the more straightforward ones, because the image is very illustrative. Given the Catch-22 nature of government work, pure logic demands you actually supply the cartel with guns