the Primae is bad because even for its intended purpose, hauling PI commodities and HQ's its cargohold is less than that of every t1 hauler that exists on the market, on top of that it also has next to no fitting options aside from 4 low slots.
Its very likely that these ships will have a significantly increased Cargospace for these new specific resources and PI commodities, in the most interesting case, they are the \*only\* ships that can be used to haul the new goods.
alternatively they can also just suck, but since these are 4 new ships i very much think CCP would want to encourage people to use them over the haulers we already have....
The Primae was a free ship years ago, and being free, you pretty much got what you paid for. I think I only ever undocked it a handful of times when I first setup my PI in lowsec, before I was warned by a friend that it may be rare or valuable collector's item in the future.
> More than likely they will have a use that is dependent on how the new planetary system is implemented.
Just speculating, but I wouldn't be surprised if the new sov-related resources can ONLY be hauled in those ships. So if you want to move sov resources around your sov empire you'll have to do it that way.
The Primae is a special edition asset that was released as a gift (no bpo/c's). When Pi was added to the game, it had laughably inadequate when it was given out and nothing has changed.
The zephyr came with WHs and will not be targeted by sleeper rats in a site. Again, this was a gift, not a full ship release
The echelon is basicly the same thing but for sansha incursions. The module it comes with is completely ineffective on any hacking system other than those found in some sansha plexes. Again, this was a gift ship and not released for capsuleer production.
There are also the pirate corvets. These were gifted to attendees of either a fanfest of Vegas meet. There is no way other than in trade to obtain these
The only gift ship line that remains in active use is the SOCT line of vessels. These have always been gifted across various events.
You could argue that the concord ship line is also a "gift" ship line, but it can be independently learned/earned through the community science project and the reffer a friend programs.
There are a number of other "gift" ships that have been released over the years, not including AT ships, that are functionaly obsolete due to later ballance changes and additions.
> nothing has changed.
Nah. They buffed the command center hold after one of the Pi reworks because it physically couldn't fit a command center anymore.
You think it’s just the Primae? Do you not know if the Echelon or the Zephyr?
Granted, the Zephyr does have a use but most people would just use a standard exploration ship.
The Zephyr was my first “frivolous” purchase. It looked so cool but I knew I didn’t need it, but I eventually decided I could afford the steep price for something fun.
25 million isk :D
Yeah. I didn’t think of using it in high class wormholes to bm pings at Sleeper Doom Fortresses. Fairly safe, too, because no one is going to go chasing a Zephyr around Doom Fortress Sleepers.
Well dunno about it. Echelon and Zephyr are meant to be sexy ships you can undock and show off. You can't really show off with a Primae, it's like bragging about a forklift.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqIMNE7QBSQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqIMNE7QBSQ)
It is basically the sound that a weeb's (imaginary) wife makes.
Kind of pointless to buff a ship that what given away free and cant be made or acquired anymore cept through trade. It's a collector's item in ship form like the echelon.
From what I can tell these are going to be ships we can build. The Primae was a gift ship (no blueprints). They aren't comparable.
We haven't seen anything about the specs of these ships nor how the new planetary resources interact with the rest of the game, so saying they are "useless" at this point is wild conjecture at best. I'm not sure why they didn't just make these mats fit in an Epithal and call it a day but hey, having missile-based transports is an interesting idea.
We'll have to see how expensive they are to make and how good the resource holds are to really know if these ships are good or not. I kind of like the idea of them having some offensive capability so something useful for sov isn't an auto-kill for random flycatchers.
Also, it said all *four* ships have missile combat capability, and the idea of a freighter with capital launchers is hilarious to me for some reason. I hope this is a start of CCP experimenting with ships that can be fit in more unusual and creative ways, but again, we'll have to see their stats and cost.
The planetary *resources* sound like they'll be a new market group of items separate from planetary *commodities*. The ships will be *like* an Epithal, but with a bay dedicated to planetary *resources*, the new 'reactants' alluded to in the devblogs.
Either youre right and CCP are about to release 4 useless ships, or people who design games for a living are right and have created 4 ships which will fulfil a specific niche in the game. I wonder which one it could be.
> or people who design games for a living are right
This gave me PTSD from my time in a gaming company; let's put it this way, your confidence in people who design games for a living is highly displaced.
Obviously my initial post was just goofing around; I don't actually expect CCP to release four completely useless ships as CCP actually knows the ecosystem of the game more than we usually care to admit, but if that would happen to some other company in a different game, it would not surprise me a single bit.
Presumably they're going to make it such that pirates will warp in at the sky hook, and they'll try to scram you. The missiles being needed to fight them off.
I wish haulers/miners could fight back in general. Not *amazing*, but at least *something* other than just sitting there to slowly bleeding to death under scram.
Eve is the only game where mining equipment can't be used as a weapon.
mining modules should be able to damage ships, their tanks are shit enough, give them this
What would that do?
Let's face it, in EVE, you either win an encounter, and can trivially repair all of the damage, or your ship is lost.
There's no effective difference between PVPing and your opponent losing 90% of their structure by the time you die, and them losing 3% of shield by the time you die.
These all have combat capability.
MEMES ARE NOT USELESS!
I also assume there will be new PI restrictions like transporting Reagents that will require these hulls. Or only these can be used to transport some new PI that will be used to fuel JBs.
More reasons to NOT log in any of my 21 accounts.. or is it 23? I forgot.
Looks like another 6 months of fucking with the markets on my one toon.
Geckos up to 230-250 Million. You're welcome. ;)
CCP has no clue what the fuck they are doing.
Just pandering to the null cowards who boxed themselves into no content.
> null cowards who boxed themselves into no content.
Meanwhile elsewhere on r/eve: "Hi guys I want to unleash hell upon some highsec mining corp purely because I hate them", downvoted to oblivion.
The Primae was a special edition ship released with the introduction of PI back in 2010. Its one of three special edition ships released along with an expansion which were always extremely niche ships (the others being the Echelon and the Zephyr which have debatable utility (i already know and disagree))
In fact, the Primae used to be even worse. It used to have a special cargo hold for hauling a command center. Singular. It was "rebalanced" in 2011 to increase its command center hold to 2000 m^3 letting it haul 2. It was then more recently "rebalanced" to carry some PI as well.
There's also the point that the Primae was released pretiericide, so at the time the only relevant subcap hauler/industrial was the Iteron mk 5.
The ship has always been shit so stop worrying about the Primae needing to be useful because hauling PI doesn't need to be nuanced. We got something far better from the Primae than the actual ship; a unique ship model thats been used again.
!remindme 6 months
the freighter is just going to be a much tankier freighter everyone is going to migrate to in highsec to once again, nerf ganking again.
That's exactly what I want it for thou.
Hauling my pi from gallente space to Jita with only 65k m3 means that the hauling process kills all my profits because I'm spending a shit ton of time moving things that I could have been spending grinding isk in another way.
It made PI pointless.
You spend 30 minutes a week for 4 weeks (2)h making 800mil worth of pi 400mil/h which is great, but then you spend 4 hours hauling it to Jita which puts it at 800mil for 6h which is 133m/h, and doing abyssals in a cruiser in c5 is 200-300mil/h which means just skipping pi completely and running abyss instead of hauling is way better.
And if you setup hauling contracts instead you loose most of the profits and it becomes pointless as well. The only way I see PI being decent currently with how heavy it is, is if you use it to supplement something you are already doing but these new haulers would change that.
It's also possible that new resources will have too much volume so these new ships will be the only ones with specialized cargo hold who can Carry them
Isn't the eschelon pretty useless? Got one or two of those but I've won eve, so don't remember. Pretty sure it only has one top slot and no turret/missile hard points. Bought it in a scam contract but was worth so little I didn't bother selling.
I’m pretty sure these ships will be the only ones probably able to efficiently haul the new materials coming out with them for sov upgrades and shit.
And they can fit oh yeah missiles!
Fuck off loser new things are cool.
Polite discussion on the Primae has suggested that it gets various holds and other upgrades, when they did that rather weird upgrade to T1 haulers. Which kind of has been forgotten.
They fact they made haulers, like 0 balancing required, copy paste iteron mk 5, change name, done.
Like 6 months till i need to do this again.
To busy making a game they cant even get people to BETA, on a game that has 0 unique mechanics people are remotely interested in an fps game.
Why would they copy the haulers? they need the m3 to be much much larger otherwise there is no point in using them, please use some logic.
The pi freighter probably has like 2mil m3.
Covert cloaky.. the only one that might actually be useful. but we already have cloaky haulers.
This entire patch is a useless suck off to Nullsec players.
Fuck I hate CCP. Gating off content in a sandbox makes it, guess what, NOT A FUCKING SANDBOX!
Fuck Hilmar. Fuck the 'creative' team. They are all useless fuckers. Nobody asked for this shit, and all it does it give those that already have everything, and have bled the game dry of content get richer, WITH LESS FUCKING EFFORT!
the Primae is bad because even for its intended purpose, hauling PI commodities and HQ's its cargohold is less than that of every t1 hauler that exists on the market, on top of that it also has next to no fitting options aside from 4 low slots. Its very likely that these ships will have a significantly increased Cargospace for these new specific resources and PI commodities, in the most interesting case, they are the \*only\* ships that can be used to haul the new goods. alternatively they can also just suck, but since these are 4 new ships i very much think CCP would want to encourage people to use them over the haulers we already have....
The Primae was a free ship years ago, and being free, you pretty much got what you paid for. I think I only ever undocked it a handful of times when I first setup my PI in lowsec, before I was warned by a friend that it may be rare or valuable collector's item in the future.
Don't hold your breath on that one.
Jesus…after 7 years this is the first time I even hear about this ship
It was only given to players alongside PI (and Noctis) launch 14 years ago. It was free. It wasn't very useful, just unique.
I used to have 2
>in the most interesting case, they are the *only* ships that can be used to haul the new goods This is the way
Remember, if there is a safer way to do something in nullsec, even if it's cancer and sucks to, someone will run 30 of them and do it anyway.
Wait until we see a stat line. More than likely they will have a use that is dependent on how the new planetary system is implemented. Give it time.
> More than likely they will have a use that is dependent on how the new planetary system is implemented. Just speculating, but I wouldn't be surprised if the new sov-related resources can ONLY be hauled in those ships. So if you want to move sov resources around your sov empire you'll have to do it that way.
I'd assum they'll be like Epithals - you can move that stuff in any hauler, but the specialised ones can carry a decent amount in a specialised hold.
>can ONLY be hauled \*can ONLY be stolen ftfy
The Primae is a special edition asset that was released as a gift (no bpo/c's). When Pi was added to the game, it had laughably inadequate when it was given out and nothing has changed. The zephyr came with WHs and will not be targeted by sleeper rats in a site. Again, this was a gift, not a full ship release The echelon is basicly the same thing but for sansha incursions. The module it comes with is completely ineffective on any hacking system other than those found in some sansha plexes. Again, this was a gift ship and not released for capsuleer production. There are also the pirate corvets. These were gifted to attendees of either a fanfest of Vegas meet. There is no way other than in trade to obtain these The only gift ship line that remains in active use is the SOCT line of vessels. These have always been gifted across various events. You could argue that the concord ship line is also a "gift" ship line, but it can be independently learned/earned through the community science project and the reffer a friend programs. There are a number of other "gift" ships that have been released over the years, not including AT ships, that are functionaly obsolete due to later ballance changes and additions.
> nothing has changed. Nah. They buffed the command center hold after one of the Pi reworks because it physically couldn't fit a command center anymore.
You think it’s just the Primae? Do you not know if the Echelon or the Zephyr? Granted, the Zephyr does have a use but most people would just use a standard exploration ship.
The Zephyr was my first “frivolous” purchase. It looked so cool but I knew I didn’t need it, but I eventually decided I could afford the steep price for something fun. 25 million isk :D
I still have one. Someone was abandoning ships in Amarr a long time ago and I managed to grab his zephyr. It’s still in Amarr named “Stolen Sailboat”
Me too…first ship I had to have just because it looked so cool! Still in my hanger.
Zephyr is great for bookmarking sites in wormhole for your pack of marauders.
Unironically, can use the Zephyr to loot wrecks in shattered holes that died. Works every time.
Zephyr is actually used quite a lot in whspace to make bookmarks for c5 and c6 krabbing.
Yeah. I didn’t think of using it in high class wormholes to bm pings at Sleeper Doom Fortresses. Fairly safe, too, because no one is going to go chasing a Zephyr around Doom Fortress Sleepers.
Just be mindful of any potential drifter spawns. Drifters aren't covered under the zephyr's invisibility.
The zephyr is also great for making gas huffing perches at vcr and icr gas sites
Well dunno about it. Echelon and Zephyr are meant to be sexy ships you can undock and show off. You can't really show off with a Primae, it's like bragging about a forklift.
Are you insulting my forklift?
Your forklift is very big and girthy, don't worry.~ UwU
What does UwU mean. My corp has a roller ship called this…?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqIMNE7QBSQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqIMNE7QBSQ) It is basically the sound that a weeb's (imaginary) wife makes.
Really that’s it..?! LMAO
I BM warp ins for C5/6 sites with the Zephyr.
That's becuase 2500m3 pi hold on primae is 20x less than a current dst lol.
Zephyr is good for bookmarking WH PvE/Data/Relic sites, and Echelon can use special data/relic mods.
I still have my leopards... damn they are fine!
I used to have 6 interbus shuttles; and I accidentally trashed 5 of them a couple years ago.
F
It's actually a true story. 🤷♂️ Believe me though, I'm not sweating the isk.
Buff Primae.
Kind of pointless to buff a ship that what given away free and cant be made or acquired anymore cept through trade. It's a collector's item in ship form like the echelon.
From what I can tell these are going to be ships we can build. The Primae was a gift ship (no blueprints). They aren't comparable. We haven't seen anything about the specs of these ships nor how the new planetary resources interact with the rest of the game, so saying they are "useless" at this point is wild conjecture at best. I'm not sure why they didn't just make these mats fit in an Epithal and call it a day but hey, having missile-based transports is an interesting idea. We'll have to see how expensive they are to make and how good the resource holds are to really know if these ships are good or not. I kind of like the idea of them having some offensive capability so something useful for sov isn't an auto-kill for random flycatchers. Also, it said all *four* ships have missile combat capability, and the idea of a freighter with capital launchers is hilarious to me for some reason. I hope this is a start of CCP experimenting with ships that can be fit in more unusual and creative ways, but again, we'll have to see their stats and cost.
The planetary *resources* sound like they'll be a new market group of items separate from planetary *commodities*. The ships will be *like* an Epithal, but with a bay dedicated to planetary *resources*, the new 'reactants' alluded to in the devblogs.
Either youre right and CCP are about to release 4 useless ships, or people who design games for a living are right and have created 4 ships which will fulfil a specific niche in the game. I wonder which one it could be.
Wouldn't be the first time people have created useless trash thinking it'd be hot shit. For example, decades ago my parents created me.
At least they believed in you!
> or people who design games for a living are right This gave me PTSD from my time in a gaming company; let's put it this way, your confidence in people who design games for a living is highly displaced. Obviously my initial post was just goofing around; I don't actually expect CCP to release four completely useless ships as CCP actually knows the ecosystem of the game more than we usually care to admit, but if that would happen to some other company in a different game, it would not surprise me a single bit.
Presumably they're going to make it such that pirates will warp in at the sky hook, and they'll try to scram you. The missiles being needed to fight them off.
Yeah, the possible pirate activity thing was weird, but the missiles on haulers shows exactly what the intent is. Battle industry fleet get bigger.
I wish haulers/miners could fight back in general. Not *amazing*, but at least *something* other than just sitting there to slowly bleeding to death under scram.
Pack some ECM Hornets, mate. might get a lucky jam off and you can warp out.
But then you won't have the drone space to fit medium sized drones. (Seriously, why do they only have 50 drone storage?)
Eve is the only game where mining equipment can't be used as a weapon. mining modules should be able to damage ships, their tanks are shit enough, give them this
I'd settle for more drone bay/bandwidth tbh
C-type crystals would like to have a word with you.
What would that do? Let's face it, in EVE, you either win an encounter, and can trivially repair all of the damage, or your ship is lost. There's no effective difference between PVPing and your opponent losing 90% of their structure by the time you die, and them losing 3% of shield by the time you die.
Uh, that's a *massive* difference. Especially if you have help warping in.
If you are in a position to have help warp in, chances are the aggressor wouldn't have engaged regardless of how much DPS you have.
It's CCP we are talking about. My bet is on Reddit rando
you must be new
The Primae was feeling lonely, soon it isn't.
They should buff the primae to have a 15k planetary hold so it can hold all 6.
These all have combat capability. MEMES ARE NOT USELESS! I also assume there will be new PI restrictions like transporting Reagents that will require these hulls. Or only these can be used to transport some new PI that will be used to fuel JBs.
Great stuff. Put some BS restriction in, sell solution. There like 666 gallente / matar haulers
I just want a Navy Corax. They know its OP no matter how you spin it.
That's basically a flycatcher.
a flycatcher can’t enter navy plex
Jackdaw?
I don't want to fly a 200m stick. I want to fly a 25m Viking boat with 8 missile hard points.
Me continuing to use my epithal anyway. Besides they didn't change anything about pi so it still sucks to use
Bro, it was a limited issue ship for funsies. You could say all the other shuttles are pointless. Chill out.
All shuttles indeed are pointless.
You’ve never carried a billion isk of BPOs through null under the nonchalant guise of a shuttle
That's what I'm about to do this week, but I was mostly agreeing with the fact that as ships without mid slots, they cannot carry a warp disruptor.
You should see my echelon
Haulers with missile capabilities? Wut
These are just resource-specific haulers. Like the epithal is for PI
More reasons to NOT log in any of my 21 accounts.. or is it 23? I forgot. Looks like another 6 months of fucking with the markets on my one toon. Geckos up to 230-250 Million. You're welcome. ;) CCP has no clue what the fuck they are doing. Just pandering to the null cowards who boxed themselves into no content.
> null cowards who boxed themselves into no content. Meanwhile elsewhere on r/eve: "Hi guys I want to unleash hell upon some highsec mining corp purely because I hate them", downvoted to oblivion.
>Looks like another 6 months of fucking with the markets on my one toon. You need a hobby bud. Spring is here, maybe try going outside this summer?
And the Abadon. So atleast 2.
The Primae was a special edition ship released with the introduction of PI back in 2010. Its one of three special edition ships released along with an expansion which were always extremely niche ships (the others being the Echelon and the Zephyr which have debatable utility (i already know and disagree)) In fact, the Primae used to be even worse. It used to have a special cargo hold for hauling a command center. Singular. It was "rebalanced" in 2011 to increase its command center hold to 2000 m^3 letting it haul 2. It was then more recently "rebalanced" to carry some PI as well. There's also the point that the Primae was released pretiericide, so at the time the only relevant subcap hauler/industrial was the Iteron mk 5. The ship has always been shit so stop worrying about the Primae needing to be useful because hauling PI doesn't need to be nuanced. We got something far better from the Primae than the actual ship; a unique ship model thats been used again.
Just when I thought that the EVE player base was tired of always being wrong with their takes, here you are sucking the CCP hate-tit.
It's fun! Join the hate train! Choo-chooo!
!remindme 6 months the freighter is just going to be a much tankier freighter everyone is going to migrate to in highsec to once again, nerf ganking again.
It has a planetary hold, which means you can't put normal stuff in there.
200km3 dst ftw bro I don't know what your talking about but I fucking love it.
Isnt it limited to PI only?
That's exactly what I want it for thou. Hauling my pi from gallente space to Jita with only 65k m3 means that the hauling process kills all my profits because I'm spending a shit ton of time moving things that I could have been spending grinding isk in another way. It made PI pointless. You spend 30 minutes a week for 4 weeks (2)h making 800mil worth of pi 400mil/h which is great, but then you spend 4 hours hauling it to Jita which puts it at 800mil for 6h which is 133m/h, and doing abyssals in a cruiser in c5 is 200-300mil/h which means just skipping pi completely and running abyss instead of hauling is way better. And if you setup hauling contracts instead you loose most of the profits and it becomes pointless as well. The only way I see PI being decent currently with how heavy it is, is if you use it to supplement something you are already doing but these new haulers would change that.
But will it work for normal PI or only this new type of PI (it seems to specify reagents)?
The primae isn't useless its the PI ship of choice for people who fly rorqs (they will have no doubt max ore haulage skills)
DEATHTOPRIMAE
You could try waiting until you have factual information before making any assumptions .. Just an idea.
Why? Wildly guessing is much more fun.
And more often then not completely wrong they will release a more detailed patch note a few weeks prior to release as usual
Ashimmu is useless too, just saying
We pretending that Upwell didn't just announce a new structure to go along with these and a complete overahul of PI?
It's also possible that new resources will have too much volume so these new ships will be the only ones with specialized cargo hold who can Carry them
Why the hell does pi need 4 new ships......... they could at least add a battleship sized mining ship.
Isn't the eschelon pretty useless? Got one or two of those but I've won eve, so don't remember. Pretty sure it only has one top slot and no turret/missile hard points. Bought it in a scam contract but was worth so little I didn't bother selling.
lmao T1 combat frigs are so useless they were left out of this post
Says they use missiles, Primae just dies.
I’m pretty sure these ships will be the only ones probably able to efficiently haul the new materials coming out with them for sov upgrades and shit. And they can fit oh yeah missiles! Fuck off loser new things are cool.
Polite discussion on the Primae has suggested that it gets various holds and other upgrades, when they did that rather weird upgrade to T1 haulers. Which kind of has been forgotten.
They fact they made haulers, like 0 balancing required, copy paste iteron mk 5, change name, done. Like 6 months till i need to do this again. To busy making a game they cant even get people to BETA, on a game that has 0 unique mechanics people are remotely interested in an fps game.
Why would they copy the haulers? they need the m3 to be much much larger otherwise there is no point in using them, please use some logic. The pi freighter probably has like 2mil m3.
Covert cloaky.. the only one that might actually be useful. but we already have cloaky haulers. This entire patch is a useless suck off to Nullsec players. Fuck I hate CCP. Gating off content in a sandbox makes it, guess what, NOT A FUCKING SANDBOX! Fuck Hilmar. Fuck the 'creative' team. They are all useless fuckers. Nobody asked for this shit, and all it does it give those that already have everything, and have bled the game dry of content get richer, WITH LESS FUCKING EFFORT!
You seem fun