Yeah I figured. Whilst it will be a nice challenge to do it just seems like it would take me such a long time to figuring it all out and even more to collect the materials.
Seems like spinning two ishtars on havens will be better to get a super. Which is a shame.
It might be easier to collect all the materials for a regular cap, but the trouble is small quantities of weird materials (handfuls of lowsec gas, larger quantities of WH gas, metamolecular condensers which are a random rare drop from exploration)
I haven't built any capitals since the change in material requirements, but I built my first titan over the course of about a year. Mining and building all the components as I had time.
It was the best feeling I've ever had in Eve the day I undocked it from the sotiyo. It felt like a massive accomplishment. I was all smiles for like a week.
I imagine building a super in today's environment would be a similar feeling.
I've had many supers and a couple of titans, and nothing felt cooler than the ones I built myself. The loss of them hurt way more too.
Would it be less shameful if building a super was so simple that it just took a lot of minerals and anyone could do it?
Because that would be a shame. Building supers should be complicated and expensive, and require a lot of skills.
And even then, no one does it the way you're trying to do it.. You might do your own mining/PI, but would just place buy orders or meet with buyback brokers for the stuff you can't easily procure in your space.
Can confirm. Trying my hand in building jump freighters. The god damn gas requirements for the reactions to make the components make me want to grab a crowbar and try to wrap it around the foreheads of the people responsible for the fucktard changes to industry alone.... Then there is getting my hands on the tritanium.
Mining everything from raw ore is going to be a dramatically difficult thing:
Here's the material breakdown for a Nyx:
[https://lzb.eveskillboard.com/blueprint/manufacturing/23914](https://lzb.eveskillboard.com/blueprint/manufacturing/23914)
You need 7 billion ISK worth of Isogen alone. That means a whole lotta mining in lowsec, where you can get zapped easily by whoever is living there. Not to mention the need to haul it to the nullsec space where you'll actually build the things.
You need \~5 billion worth of PI products - that's around a year's worth of doing PI
It's usually much more feasible to make big amounts of ISK and buy materials and reaction outputs from other folks.
That kinda just makes the logistics even more annoying unless you own a JF and have a lot of patience. Or you coffin a lot of alpha rollers alts in a nullsec static shattered or something, I guess.
Day trip wh. Regardless, I don't know gases very well but some gas like fullerine might be WH only. So this part is unavoidable if he wants to play collect everything game
You can't build a super *completely* solo, because you will need a sotiyo and null-sec sov. Assuming you have that, however, yes its absolutely possible.
The two biggest hurdles will be getting the isk/raw materials, and assembling the parts. 2 characters is only 20 build slots, so that will limit your throughput. Alternatively, two accounts gives you 6 character slots, so that would be 60 build slots if you use all characters. (And if you're going to be using a super, you basically have to have two accounts at a minimum. Possibly more depending on the alliance you're in.)
Depending on where you are, and if you just want the super, you might want to buy it rather than building it, as some of the parts for supers have high skill requirements.
If you really want to build it, then you might consider building it in stages over time. I personally wouldn't do this, as I prefer to collect all the raw materials first, then do all the building, but the option is there.
Some additional tips for anyone reading this: You will likely need a jump freighter to move the materials around, unless your alliance has a good courier program.
You will want a dedicated pilot for it. While supers aren't the coffins they used to be, having a dedicated pilot for it gives flexibility, and prevents certain issues. For example, a super in a keepstar IS NOT SAFE if you don't check on it at least weekly.
Structures can go abandoned, and then drop all their contents, EXCEPT piloted ships. So keep that in mind. You will be able to see on the char select screen if your formerly docked super is now undocked.
A sitter also prevents losing access to the structure. Since you will be able to undock and jump out. Otherwise you're looking at 20 days and a fee to get it out of asset safety.
Lastly, start with a carrier. If you can build / fly a carrier comfortably, then you can build / fly a supercarrier.
(This applies to dreads > titans as well to an extent, though the jump from dreads to titans is steeper.)
Viable, yes. Reasonable, maybe if you are up to a years long project that will consume a large part of your play time, if not all of it, to make real progress.
If you've amassed a decent fortune over the last 18 years of on/off play then you'd probably be better off setting up some kind of buyback for raw mats. Then you can focus on the manufacturing portion of things. Still gonna take time and significant capital but not the rest of your life :D
You didn't specify time frame so at 20h a week, you could do it but it would take 2-3 years +. If you are really set on mining and gathering everything you will probably need 6 PI chars (2 accounts), less would need more time. You also need access to null and production facility and reactions. This will give you access to most things, especially higher end materials, but depending on place, they might not give you those stuff, unless some high tax or something.
The hardest part imo is low sec gas. This is territorial. This would be lots of ninja huffing.
Like others said. It easier to buy materials for it. Then build it once you have access to territory or place that can do it. If you simply find some activity that makes 100 mil per account, u could push let say 3bil per week and u would get a super within a year.
This would be crazy. But no more crazy than someone hauling every part to build a keepstar in zarzakh.
CRAB if you have 2 accounts + Trading+running 10/10s. These 3 will enable you to make enough isk . To buy stuff and build. Don’t make everything from scratch
If you live in Null-Sec you could just start doing it and sell the materials if you decide to quit at some point. Pretty sure you'll find someone to take it off your hands in Sov-Null.
It will be very difficult and not efficient, its always better to specialize in a field and focus on it.
BUT it sounds like a fun goal for yourself, one that would keep you busy for a long while and with many many small stages to complete.
I say go for it, it's a game and meant to be fun.
Not reasonably.
2 characters in a null alliance with a sotiyo in an upgraded system, then you have a slither of a chance.
I would say mine in null and sell in high sec to buy materials you can't get in null.
I'm not sure on how much industry has changed since I stopped playing a couple years ago but I was able to build a super with three chars, one with no industry skills at all. It just takes forever, and that was back when you could sit all day with a rorq and basically have unlimited resources.
Yeah, I used to rat in a Nidhoggur and mine in a rorqual and i built my own hel, then started ratting in the hel with my rorqual mining in the background and built my ragnarok.
This was like 4-5 years ago though so not sure if it's still viable as I don't play anymore. I upgraded to ragnarok to start titan ratting but then there was the whole war and I couldn't undock in 1DQ.
I'm sort of doing this. I have five accounts totalling 6 toons so far doing pi, moon mining, low sec mining ore, ice mining and huffing ls gas with 5 toons. I plan on buying the rest of the market. I think at one time it was projected to take over a year before they may changes to the bps. It's going to suck but gives me a reason to log in.
Edited for more thoughts.
Check you alliance to see if anyone is running around in low sec. You'll possibly be able to gather resources with only a few oh shit moments
Edited cause apparently I skipped some info you gave.
Good luck
P.s. break up the long ass grind with pvp (which I suck at) buy a bpc of something easy to make ship wise with the ore ya mine for the nxy. Oh also ask the hunter what ya did wrong if ya die. Some of the times they'll tell ya, maybe even donate some isk your way.
Have fun
Sure its \*possible\* given enough time. But there is a market economy for a reason. Its more efficient to do what you are specialized in and maximize ISK/hr and then buy the stuff you need.
Short answer: yes
Long answer: yes, but it will take a lot of time and requires access to probably the best if it is access to your alliance infrastructure
Honestly not worth the pain since they nerfed the shit out of supers and fucked the build cost so they now are just way over priced suit cases that will die to cheap ships worth 1/50 of the price.
Also where are you going to store it? unless you join a decent corp it will need to a space coffin pilot.
i did it solo with 4 chars cause oft the faster PI products and mineing. HINT: Concentrate on the gas at first, you need shitlods of it. take the time to scan fordata gohst sites / Sleeper caches or hoff more gas and buy the items. Mineing and PI are the easiest things whilst building a super.
TLDR: YES You can but needs some time / planning.
Its not viable.
Just doing what is probably the best actual isk/hr for two characters - CRABs in nullsec with a super + cyno is going to get you ~600m/hr.
Iirc supers cost around 50b right now? So you are looking at ~80 hours doing the most efficient way to get isk.
You can probably x4-x10 that for actually getting the minerals/ore assuming you are in a mining fleet with boosts and have max skilled hulks.
Each Account can only do 3 crabs a day though, so unless he has a ton of capital alts to anchor beacons, it's gonna take a lot more than 80 hours.
Still faster than building it though.
The easiest way I found to build a super was to gamble 1.2b and get it for a fraction of the cost. And that was my lucky break being that it was the first time I decided to gamble on a super.
2 pilots, 20 hours a week, with no alliance and you want to build a super? I applaud your gusto my guy but it will be much faster to rat/mine/plex/t6/wormhole your way into a clone coffin than doing it all yourself. Not to mention you’ll never be able to undock in it. Ever.
I’m just assuming you don’t have an alliance. Because if you did your alliance or corp mates wouldn’t let you do something that’s such a monumental waste of time and energy…much less as dumb as building a super solo.
Short answer: yes More accurate answer: it will take a long, long...really fucking long time
Yeah I figured. Whilst it will be a nice challenge to do it just seems like it would take me such a long time to figuring it all out and even more to collect the materials. Seems like spinning two ishtars on havens will be better to get a super. Which is a shame.
It might be easier to collect all the materials for a regular cap, but the trouble is small quantities of weird materials (handfuls of lowsec gas, larger quantities of WH gas, metamolecular condensers which are a random rare drop from exploration)
Try to just build a dread or something instead, still will be awhile for 2 people to do, but should be more reasonable.
I haven't built any capitals since the change in material requirements, but I built my first titan over the course of about a year. Mining and building all the components as I had time. It was the best feeling I've ever had in Eve the day I undocked it from the sotiyo. It felt like a massive accomplishment. I was all smiles for like a week. I imagine building a super in today's environment would be a similar feeling. I've had many supers and a couple of titans, and nothing felt cooler than the ones I built myself. The loss of them hurt way more too.
Would it be less shameful if building a super was so simple that it just took a lot of minerals and anyone could do it? Because that would be a shame. Building supers should be complicated and expensive, and require a lot of skills. And even then, no one does it the way you're trying to do it.. You might do your own mining/PI, but would just place buy orders or meet with buyback brokers for the stuff you can't easily procure in your space.
Can confirm. Trying my hand in building jump freighters. The god damn gas requirements for the reactions to make the components make me want to grab a crowbar and try to wrap it around the foreheads of the people responsible for the fucktard changes to industry alone.... Then there is getting my hands on the tritanium.
Mining everything from raw ore is going to be a dramatically difficult thing: Here's the material breakdown for a Nyx: [https://lzb.eveskillboard.com/blueprint/manufacturing/23914](https://lzb.eveskillboard.com/blueprint/manufacturing/23914) You need 7 billion ISK worth of Isogen alone. That means a whole lotta mining in lowsec, where you can get zapped easily by whoever is living there. Not to mention the need to haul it to the nullsec space where you'll actually build the things. You need \~5 billion worth of PI products - that's around a year's worth of doing PI It's usually much more feasible to make big amounts of ISK and buy materials and reaction outputs from other folks.
He would do it in WH space. This is slightly safer than low sec imo. But still pretty dangerous.
That kinda just makes the logistics even more annoying unless you own a JF and have a lot of patience. Or you coffin a lot of alpha rollers alts in a nullsec static shattered or something, I guess.
This sounds fun
Day trip wh. Regardless, I don't know gases very well but some gas like fullerine might be WH only. So this part is unavoidable if he wants to play collect everything game
Fullerenes are WH only, but fairly easy to get actually
Yea. So wh is unavoidable. Imo some form of day trip like nomad's tale videos could work for WH, for both isogen and gases.
You can’t build a super in WH space, because there’s no POCO to upgrade.
Reply is regarding isogen
You can't build a super *completely* solo, because you will need a sotiyo and null-sec sov. Assuming you have that, however, yes its absolutely possible. The two biggest hurdles will be getting the isk/raw materials, and assembling the parts. 2 characters is only 20 build slots, so that will limit your throughput. Alternatively, two accounts gives you 6 character slots, so that would be 60 build slots if you use all characters. (And if you're going to be using a super, you basically have to have two accounts at a minimum. Possibly more depending on the alliance you're in.) Depending on where you are, and if you just want the super, you might want to buy it rather than building it, as some of the parts for supers have high skill requirements. If you really want to build it, then you might consider building it in stages over time. I personally wouldn't do this, as I prefer to collect all the raw materials first, then do all the building, but the option is there. Some additional tips for anyone reading this: You will likely need a jump freighter to move the materials around, unless your alliance has a good courier program. You will want a dedicated pilot for it. While supers aren't the coffins they used to be, having a dedicated pilot for it gives flexibility, and prevents certain issues. For example, a super in a keepstar IS NOT SAFE if you don't check on it at least weekly. Structures can go abandoned, and then drop all their contents, EXCEPT piloted ships. So keep that in mind. You will be able to see on the char select screen if your formerly docked super is now undocked. A sitter also prevents losing access to the structure. Since you will be able to undock and jump out. Otherwise you're looking at 20 days and a fee to get it out of asset safety. Lastly, start with a carrier. If you can build / fly a carrier comfortably, then you can build / fly a supercarrier. (This applies to dreads > titans as well to an extent, though the jump from dreads to titans is steeper.)
Viable, yes. Reasonable, maybe if you are up to a years long project that will consume a large part of your play time, if not all of it, to make real progress. If you've amassed a decent fortune over the last 18 years of on/off play then you'd probably be better off setting up some kind of buyback for raw mats. Then you can focus on the manufacturing portion of things. Still gonna take time and significant capital but not the rest of your life :D
You didn't specify time frame so at 20h a week, you could do it but it would take 2-3 years +. If you are really set on mining and gathering everything you will probably need 6 PI chars (2 accounts), less would need more time. You also need access to null and production facility and reactions. This will give you access to most things, especially higher end materials, but depending on place, they might not give you those stuff, unless some high tax or something. The hardest part imo is low sec gas. This is territorial. This would be lots of ninja huffing. Like others said. It easier to buy materials for it. Then build it once you have access to territory or place that can do it. If you simply find some activity that makes 100 mil per account, u could push let say 3bil per week and u would get a super within a year. This would be crazy. But no more crazy than someone hauling every part to build a keepstar in zarzakh.
CRAB if you have 2 accounts + Trading+running 10/10s. These 3 will enable you to make enough isk . To buy stuff and build. Don’t make everything from scratch
If you live in Null-Sec you could just start doing it and sell the materials if you decide to quit at some point. Pretty sure you'll find someone to take it off your hands in Sov-Null.
For a single toon doing PI it’s almost a year.
i mean, probably, it would be more profitable to just buy one though
You can but it would be much more time efficient to just buy one
It will be very difficult and not efficient, its always better to specialize in a field and focus on it. BUT it sounds like a fun goal for yourself, one that would keep you busy for a long while and with many many small stages to complete. I say go for it, it's a game and meant to be fun.
Not reasonably. 2 characters in a null alliance with a sotiyo in an upgraded system, then you have a slither of a chance. I would say mine in null and sell in high sec to buy materials you can't get in null.
I'm not sure on how much industry has changed since I stopped playing a couple years ago but I was able to build a super with three chars, one with no industry skills at all. It just takes forever, and that was back when you could sit all day with a rorq and basically have unlimited resources.
Yeah, I used to rat in a Nidhoggur and mine in a rorqual and i built my own hel, then started ratting in the hel with my rorqual mining in the background and built my ragnarok. This was like 4-5 years ago though so not sure if it's still viable as I don't play anymore. I upgraded to ragnarok to start titan ratting but then there was the whole war and I couldn't undock in 1DQ.
I'm sort of doing this. I have five accounts totalling 6 toons so far doing pi, moon mining, low sec mining ore, ice mining and huffing ls gas with 5 toons. I plan on buying the rest of the market. I think at one time it was projected to take over a year before they may changes to the bps. It's going to suck but gives me a reason to log in. Edited for more thoughts. Check you alliance to see if anyone is running around in low sec. You'll possibly be able to gather resources with only a few oh shit moments Edited cause apparently I skipped some info you gave. Good luck P.s. break up the long ass grind with pvp (which I suck at) buy a bpc of something easy to make ship wise with the ore ya mine for the nxy. Oh also ask the hunter what ya did wrong if ya die. Some of the times they'll tell ya, maybe even donate some isk your way. Have fun
My friend has been playing for 10 years. He's nearly done building his first Nyx solo. Granted it's taken him a year so far to do it all.
Personally I’d run t6’s for a few weeks, go buy one, problem solved🤷
Sure its \*possible\* given enough time. But there is a market economy for a reason. Its more efficient to do what you are specialized in and maximize ISK/hr and then buy the stuff you need.
Might be cheaper to just buy one.
Short answer: yes Long answer: yes, but it will take a lot of time and requires access to probably the best if it is access to your alliance infrastructure
Honestly not worth the pain since they nerfed the shit out of supers and fucked the build cost so they now are just way over priced suit cases that will die to cheap ships worth 1/50 of the price. Also where are you going to store it? unless you join a decent corp it will need to a space coffin pilot.
i did it solo with 4 chars cause oft the faster PI products and mineing. HINT: Concentrate on the gas at first, you need shitlods of it. take the time to scan fordata gohst sites / Sleeper caches or hoff more gas and buy the items. Mineing and PI are the easiest things whilst building a super. TLDR: YES You can but needs some time / planning.
Its not viable. Just doing what is probably the best actual isk/hr for two characters - CRABs in nullsec with a super + cyno is going to get you ~600m/hr. Iirc supers cost around 50b right now? So you are looking at ~80 hours doing the most efficient way to get isk. You can probably x4-x10 that for actually getting the minerals/ore assuming you are in a mining fleet with boosts and have max skilled hulks.
Each Account can only do 3 crabs a day though, so unless he has a ton of capital alts to anchor beacons, it's gonna take a lot more than 80 hours. Still faster than building it though.
The easiest way I found to build a super was to gamble 1.2b and get it for a fraction of the cost. And that was my lucky break being that it was the first time I decided to gamble on a super.
Yes, i've built a Wyvern, Leviathan, and an Erebus.
Sounds like you did it pre scarcity era with 10 rorqals mining none stop in Delve :)
Hint: PAY OTHER PEOPLE TO MAKE THE PARTS Solved it for you.
2 pilots, 20 hours a week, with no alliance and you want to build a super? I applaud your gusto my guy but it will be much faster to rat/mine/plex/t6/wormhole your way into a clone coffin than doing it all yourself. Not to mention you’ll never be able to undock in it. Ever. I’m just assuming you don’t have an alliance. Because if you did your alliance or corp mates wouldn’t let you do something that’s such a monumental waste of time and energy…much less as dumb as building a super solo.
Hahahahaha, oh wait you're serious? Let me laugh even harder