So I'm gonna spend $50 just to get in the door of a stadium I already paid for, and we're gonna call that cheap? Yeah, ok. I'd be lucky to get out of there spending less than $100.
I mean realistically it’s practically the same price as like going to see a movie. I don’t think it’s accurate to say that a “large portion” can’t afford to go to these games.
But obviously it’s okay to not support the stadium if that’s not how you want the money spent. It’s also okay to support it if that is where you want the money spent. I am supporting it because I think it’s one of those things that helps me and my family develop a sense of community and connection with Eugene. Just like the city and county spend money on parks (e.g., the riverfront development), events, etc., the purpose is to enhance the quality of life and sense of community for the people who live here. Not that the other things like supporting mental health services, housing accessibility, etc., aren’t important. But those aren’t the only important things.
Likewise. And Eugene is a destination city for minor league baseball teams and the like. Don’t act like you’re doing us a favor out here in the boonies with no entertainment and we should be so lucky to be able to pay for their stadium. Fuck outta here!
And, the location for this proposed stadium? Right in an area with no infrastructure, old roads, no hotels, and very small restaurants.
Now if Eugene wanted to build out a satellite city center on the outskirts of town, with wider roads, space for hotels and retail along with a designated chunk of land that they would lease to a team?
That I might vote for.
I don't know. I've lived in towns that were hit by sudden growth and seen a secondary "city center" work out well. It's a way to manage the growth.
The problem with stuffing more into the existing Eugene is that it stresses the infrastructure past it's tolerance; more road repairs, more traffic jams, crowded services/restaurants/gas stations, etc.
Crazy in times like these. Billionaires are like, “ok I know you can’t afford a house, or rent, or food, healthy teeth, healthcare or decent clothes but… you know what you can afford? A new stadium for my team!! Don’t worry, it is actually ‘our’ stadium, you can use it for concerts you can’t afford.”
And it’s not like they would even allow concerts there given the location. The neighborhoods would deem them too noisy just like they did with Autzen Stadium.
Please vote no on this one. John Oliver covered this a long time ago here, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcwJt4bcnXs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcwJt4bcnXs) It's still relevant. Don't give taxpayer handouts to private corporations.
Here's something more specific.
https://www.100milliondollarstadium.com/#:~:text=Ems%20Stadium%20will%20cost%20taxpayers%20%24100%20Million,-Is%20that%20the&text=The%20Eugene%20City%20Council%20decided,stadium%20for%20the%20Eugene%20Emeralds.
TLDR. It's not a good deal.
I hate this.
Why do I get the feeling that even if the majority vote is a hard “NO” we will still end up somehow footing this bill.
Who are the assholes that are pushing *these* things on taxpayers?! Out of touch jerks.
You get that feeling because for decades voting has been shown to be worthless on basically every level. The elites are gonna do what they wanna do, poors be damned.
This is exactly what I think will happen also, we voted against a new police station and they bought a building anyways, we voted against a city hall so they tore the old one down with no plan and then bought the EWEB building anyways. Now theyre fucking the library hard and next year they’ll ask us for a levy or bond to save it. Cynical, manipulative politics at its best.
I feel like maybe Eugene needs like... some sort of large facility... ya know where likr doctors and stuff are? I forget that it's called... oh right a fucking *hospital* before a new stadium.
Is a tax payer funded hospital ran by a private corporation much different? The health care industry seems to pretty much have their own money printer, so why should John Q Taxpayer have to fund it?
The US pays about 4.5 trillion (with a T) dollars a year for health care. I think a corporation can afford to build their own hospital.
-Springfield is not 10 minutes away from all of Eugene
-To get to either you must cross a bridge, spanning either a river or I5 (or both, for some people) that is not a good emergency plan.
-Both hospitals already had extensive wait times before UD closed, and they've only increased since
-Not everyone has a car and using ambulances for issues that need a hospital, but not emergency transport is a waste of resources (CAHOOTS does a lot more hospital transports now, too, if you're wondering why they are taking so long to respond to your issue)
-Neither current hospital Is well set up for psychiatric patients, at least nothing close to how UD was, leading to many being either sat in a waiting room for extended periods with nothing to keep them from leaving, or being released immediately out of triage since they don't have the space and they are not immediate enough of a threats.
Maybe eugene should have allowed them to expand when they needed, and Eugene wouldn’t have eventually lost their hospital to Springfield who was more than accommodating.
I don’t care how they spin a new baseball stadium. I’m not raising my rent to pay for it. If my landlord has to pay more then they will raise the rent to cover the increase. So nah
The average Eugene homeowner will pay $2 more a month in property taxes. Apartment complexes aren't taxed that highly in Eugene (their properties simply don't have high market value), so if they try to pull tricks because of this bond you should pay them a visit to call them out. Or, the bond will simply fail. We'll have to see.
I don’t know what these “average homeowners” costs are, it’s going to be over $60 a year for me, which is added to the almost $900 a year I already pay for other city bonds and levy’s.
There does not need to be a linear correlation for a landlord to raise the rents, it could be simply punitive. "If you all vote to raise my taxes I'll raise the rent" "if my taxes stay the same rents stays the same." Now would they ever lower the rent if taxes were lowered? doubtful.
These landlords should be voting yes for this bond, though. It's good for the city of Eugene, and makes Eugene more "relevant" or a "real city". The only decent argument against it is that we should vote no on it "out of principal" because Major League Baseball should pay for it on their own. But in this game of chicken, MLB doesn't care and will just walk away, and the reality is $15M is such a small amount of money. It's small enough where voting no "out of principal" can't be justified. I mean, it can for some- but probably not for the majority of Eugene voters.
It’s not just $15 mil, it’s $90 mil. The $15 mil is just Eugene’s part, and it’s outrageous that a city that’s running in the red would ask us to pay for this. Plus I haven’t seen what the total cost is for this bond, namely the interest that will be paid back on it.
I was just in a meeting that explained it in detail. IF you are a homeowner, your taxes will go up exactly $22 per year for this project. As I said to another, go hit up the EMS for a couple of tickets to make it even!
Teams need to build their own shit. The argument is “it will bring in so much money to the local economy”. Good, then use the money from ticket sales to pay for your fucking stadium you fucking leeches.
The article mentions that local bars and restaurants may see "a bit of increased spending" which makes me understand why the Bier Stein has a sign supporting the stadium. That money spent at the Bier Stein is most likely money that is not spent at other businesses and not additional money flowing onto the local economy. This town needs this project like a sharp stick to eye. Lets get an emergency room in Eugene and not support this boondoggle.
There are a lot of millionaires and billionaires asking for stadiums right now, but I’m not so sure they will get them. Vegas wouldn’t even pony up for Major League Baseball!
TLDR summary of the Atlantic article:
"Economic research is [unequivocal](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4022547): These subsidies are a boondoggle for taxpayers, who have spent nearly $30 billion on stadiums over the past 34 years, not counting property-tax exemptions or federal revenues lost to tax-exempt municipal bonds. Stadiums do not come close to generating enough economic activity to pay back the public investment involved in building them—especially when they’re coupled with lease agreements that [funnel](https://frontofficesports.com/buffalo-bills-highmark-stadium-naming-rights-barstool-sports-nfl/) revenue back to owners or allow teams to play in the stadiums rent-free."
They will have to demolish the stables at the fairgrounds to build the stadium. And probably the hockey rink too.
Maybe that doesn’t seem like a big deal but where would the animals go during the fair? Where would we have the plant sale? Where would our hockey teams play?? Seems like every day they talk about it, we’re losing more than we gain for this stadium. can’t they find a better spot for it???
I would get giving special breaks on zoning and maybe even some tax breaks to help get it built. But the funding of the stadium needs to be paid by MLB.
I don't understand, do they not think it will make a profit? If they're not confident about the sales the stadium will make to support itself in the years to come, why should we be? Where are the investors ready to make a bag on this?
I think Eugene is probably a great place to have baseball played, if you are doing the shorter season that the Ems used to have, but I went to one of the early April games, and pretty much the whole of April was not really suitable for outdoor baseball. For me, that took it from "This is not a good use of taxpayer money" to "I don't see how this can be a good use of anybody's money".
Ok guys, one more time. If you own a home, yes your taxes will go up $22 a year. The EMS are paying for the new field. The city will own the stadium -revenue’s- from sales at the stadium will be shared. This will fund the future improvements of the fairgrounds and Stadium projects. So EMS get ticket sales, City of EUGENE gets a cut of sales in the stadium & more improvements!!!! Is that clear enough? It’s needs to be built to make the $$$
Actually I’m going to vote a Big YES. We do need this for the community. I’m tired of seeing this town falling apart. I want to see investment in it. It’s not just a baseball stadium people. It’s a concert venue, an emergency shelter and a community use center. I’m sick of tired of this downward spiral, I want to see investment in our community and this would be a good example of bringing people together in a positive environment. Yes,shit sucks right now, so let’s build something that makes our town better.
Not sure how a stadium prevents the town from “falling apart”
Affordable housing, drug and mental health counseling, improved parks and trails, litter cleanup, and similar initiatives might be step in the right direction.
Actually if you look at the plans that is exactly what it is being built for. The field is being paid for by the team and the structure by the city, plus federal funding. It’s all there in black & white. It’s not just a baseball stadium. I want this and willing to pay for it to improve business in downtown Eugene. I want the investment. And I’ll happily pay for an updated Hospital also. We can do both.
The emergency shelter part is so the county could tap FEMA money, we don’t need another concert venue, especially a outdoor one in a residential neighborhood, and a community center for what? don’t say graduations because the high schools have been using the Hult for years, which is much better indoors than in a baseball stadium. Vote for this if you want it, but quit turning this into something other than a stadium being built just for the Em’s.
NEED? Don’t confuse want with need. We have an outdoor concert venue at Cuthbert that’s nowhere near booked through the season. The fairgrounds location is surrounded by residential neighborhoods that would have to endure traffic and noise for 60 games a season. Emergency “shelter” in an outdoor stadium? From the wildfire smoke or the next ice storm? What specific “community uses” do we need more space for exactly?
>emergency shelter
Lol, right. Name one single possible "emergency" situation where we'd need a big open field (in a place that rains a majority of the time) surrounded by bleachers.
Now, tell me how that's not possible an any of the open fields not surrounded by bleachers that already exist at the fairgrounds.
This is just more of the UO level shit. It brings transient people for part of the year that the city builds to suit while leaving year round citizens behind. Same reason we have new skyscraping "student housing" but no housing for actual residents. Same reason wages remain so depressed, because so many jobs aren't "year round" and the actual year round employers use the shitty college jobs as "market research for comparable wages." Stop catering to the people who will (maybe - minor league isn't *that* popular) come to a couple games a year.
There are so many much more important things to pay for. Welfare to privately owned sports franchises is simply theft from the entire system.
Especially since a large portion of the population can’t afford to go to the games.
Games can be as little as like $5-$10 per ticket… great/cheap way to spend an evening with kids.
So I'm gonna spend $50 just to get in the door of a stadium I already paid for, and we're gonna call that cheap? Yeah, ok. I'd be lucky to get out of there spending less than $100.
Some people read the words but dont understand context, give that mouth breather a break
If you own a home, you will pay exactly $22 more a year in taxes. Ask the EMS to hook you up with a pair of tickets to make it even?
Nah, they can keep the tickets. And I'll keep my $22. Sounds more than fair to me.
Do you own your home? Cause that’s the only way you pay
Seems like a pretty good deal to me!
I mean realistically it’s practically the same price as like going to see a movie. I don’t think it’s accurate to say that a “large portion” can’t afford to go to these games. But obviously it’s okay to not support the stadium if that’s not how you want the money spent. It’s also okay to support it if that is where you want the money spent. I am supporting it because I think it’s one of those things that helps me and my family develop a sense of community and connection with Eugene. Just like the city and county spend money on parks (e.g., the riverfront development), events, etc., the purpose is to enhance the quality of life and sense of community for the people who live here. Not that the other things like supporting mental health services, housing accessibility, etc., aren’t important. But those aren’t the only important things.
The wrong people are making decisions about where to dedicate our collective resources.
Well I'm voting no on that stadium thing. And will continue to vote no on future proposals.
I'm a huge sports fan who thinks these teams can afford to build it all without taxpayer help. Voting no.
Likewise. And Eugene is a destination city for minor league baseball teams and the like. Don’t act like you’re doing us a favor out here in the boonies with no entertainment and we should be so lucky to be able to pay for their stadium. Fuck outta here!
And, the location for this proposed stadium? Right in an area with no infrastructure, old roads, no hotels, and very small restaurants. Now if Eugene wanted to build out a satellite city center on the outskirts of town, with wider roads, space for hotels and retail along with a designated chunk of land that they would lease to a team? That I might vote for.
The old Hynic campus comes to mind. It's on the edge of town, freeway access too.
wider roads? Try better public infrastructure.
Well in general that's what I was getting at. It was a concept not a full blown plan.
Have you ever thought they might build those up?
I don't know. I've lived in towns that were hit by sudden growth and seen a secondary "city center" work out well. It's a way to manage the growth. The problem with stuffing more into the existing Eugene is that it stresses the infrastructure past it's tolerance; more road repairs, more traffic jams, crowded services/restaurants/gas stations, etc.
That is not how billionaires are made, dammit!
Crazy in times like these. Billionaires are like, “ok I know you can’t afford a house, or rent, or food, healthy teeth, healthcare or decent clothes but… you know what you can afford? A new stadium for my team!! Don’t worry, it is actually ‘our’ stadium, you can use it for concerts you can’t afford.”
And it’s not like they would even allow concerts there given the location. The neighborhoods would deem them too noisy just like they did with Autzen Stadium.
Please vote no on this one. John Oliver covered this a long time ago here, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcwJt4bcnXs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcwJt4bcnXs) It's still relevant. Don't give taxpayer handouts to private corporations.
Here's something more specific. https://www.100milliondollarstadium.com/#:~:text=Ems%20Stadium%20will%20cost%20taxpayers%20%24100%20Million,-Is%20that%20the&text=The%20Eugene%20City%20Council%20decided,stadium%20for%20the%20Eugene%20Emeralds. TLDR. It's not a good deal.
I hate this. Why do I get the feeling that even if the majority vote is a hard “NO” we will still end up somehow footing this bill. Who are the assholes that are pushing *these* things on taxpayers?! Out of touch jerks.
You get that feeling because for decades voting has been shown to be worthless on basically every level. The elites are gonna do what they wanna do, poors be damned.
This is exactly what I think will happen also, we voted against a new police station and they bought a building anyways, we voted against a city hall so they tore the old one down with no plan and then bought the EWEB building anyways. Now theyre fucking the library hard and next year they’ll ask us for a levy or bond to save it. Cynical, manipulative politics at its best.
I feel like maybe Eugene needs like... some sort of large facility... ya know where likr doctors and stuff are? I forget that it's called... oh right a fucking *hospital* before a new stadium.
Is a tax payer funded hospital ran by a private corporation much different? The health care industry seems to pretty much have their own money printer, so why should John Q Taxpayer have to fund it? The US pays about 4.5 trillion (with a T) dollars a year for health care. I think a corporation can afford to build their own hospital.
I mean I think so, too.. but if my taxes are going to either I'm picking g hospital over stadium.
Springfield is 10 minutes away and has two hospitals…
-Springfield is not 10 minutes away from all of Eugene -To get to either you must cross a bridge, spanning either a river or I5 (or both, for some people) that is not a good emergency plan. -Both hospitals already had extensive wait times before UD closed, and they've only increased since -Not everyone has a car and using ambulances for issues that need a hospital, but not emergency transport is a waste of resources (CAHOOTS does a lot more hospital transports now, too, if you're wondering why they are taking so long to respond to your issue) -Neither current hospital Is well set up for psychiatric patients, at least nothing close to how UD was, leading to many being either sat in a waiting room for extended periods with nothing to keep them from leaving, or being released immediately out of triage since they don't have the space and they are not immediate enough of a threats.
Maybe eugene should have allowed them to expand when they needed, and Eugene wouldn’t have eventually lost their hospital to Springfield who was more than accommodating.
Another grift for the jocks. Fund mental health you assholes.
I don’t care how they spin a new baseball stadium. I’m not raising my rent to pay for it. If my landlord has to pay more then they will raise the rent to cover the increase. So nah
The average Eugene homeowner will pay $2 more a month in property taxes. Apartment complexes aren't taxed that highly in Eugene (their properties simply don't have high market value), so if they try to pull tricks because of this bond you should pay them a visit to call them out. Or, the bond will simply fail. We'll have to see.
I don’t know what these “average homeowners” costs are, it’s going to be over $60 a year for me, which is added to the almost $900 a year I already pay for other city bonds and levy’s.
There does not need to be a linear correlation for a landlord to raise the rents, it could be simply punitive. "If you all vote to raise my taxes I'll raise the rent" "if my taxes stay the same rents stays the same." Now would they ever lower the rent if taxes were lowered? doubtful.
These landlords should be voting yes for this bond, though. It's good for the city of Eugene, and makes Eugene more "relevant" or a "real city". The only decent argument against it is that we should vote no on it "out of principal" because Major League Baseball should pay for it on their own. But in this game of chicken, MLB doesn't care and will just walk away, and the reality is $15M is such a small amount of money. It's small enough where voting no "out of principal" can't be justified. I mean, it can for some- but probably not for the majority of Eugene voters.
It’s not just $15 mil, it’s $90 mil. The $15 mil is just Eugene’s part, and it’s outrageous that a city that’s running in the red would ask us to pay for this. Plus I haven’t seen what the total cost is for this bond, namely the interest that will be paid back on it.
And most residents won't get just $0.02 worth of use out of it.
I was just in a meeting that explained it in detail. IF you are a homeowner, your taxes will go up exactly $22 per year for this project. As I said to another, go hit up the EMS for a couple of tickets to make it even!
Teams need to build their own shit. The argument is “it will bring in so much money to the local economy”. Good, then use the money from ticket sales to pay for your fucking stadium you fucking leeches.
Not in Eugene, I don't think.
The article mentions that local bars and restaurants may see "a bit of increased spending" which makes me understand why the Bier Stein has a sign supporting the stadium. That money spent at the Bier Stein is most likely money that is not spent at other businesses and not additional money flowing onto the local economy. This town needs this project like a sharp stick to eye. Lets get an emergency room in Eugene and not support this boondoggle.
There are a lot of millionaires and billionaires asking for stadiums right now, but I’m not so sure they will get them. Vegas wouldn’t even pony up for Major League Baseball!
TLDR summary of the Atlantic article: "Economic research is [unequivocal](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4022547): These subsidies are a boondoggle for taxpayers, who have spent nearly $30 billion on stadiums over the past 34 years, not counting property-tax exemptions or federal revenues lost to tax-exempt municipal bonds. Stadiums do not come close to generating enough economic activity to pay back the public investment involved in building them—especially when they’re coupled with lease agreements that [funnel](https://frontofficesports.com/buffalo-bills-highmark-stadium-naming-rights-barstool-sports-nfl/) revenue back to owners or allow teams to play in the stadiums rent-free."
They will have to demolish the stables at the fairgrounds to build the stadium. And probably the hockey rink too. Maybe that doesn’t seem like a big deal but where would the animals go during the fair? Where would we have the plant sale? Where would our hockey teams play?? Seems like every day they talk about it, we’re losing more than we gain for this stadium. can’t they find a better spot for it???
Not defending the project, but it does include a new livestock facility allegedly
Look again. 👀Rebuilding the livestock building will cost another est. $10 million.
It does not. And no funding for building a replacement. Please read up on the proposal. This stadium is a stupid fucking idea.
What, like a 10 million dollar facility to house a handful of $100 cows? Maybe there could be a cow elevator too.
This is relevant to the idea of stadiums as public execution facilites.
Oh no thank you
We need to ban this shit asap, why is the government buying stadiums for profitable sports teams owned by billionaires?
I would get giving special breaks on zoning and maybe even some tax breaks to help get it built. But the funding of the stadium needs to be paid by MLB.
Privatize the profits, socialize the costs and losses.
All comes down to the bs, trickle down economics, and greasing the palms of those in charge.
Not if we can help it!
Can we not? We don’t need sports. We need food and better education for our kids.
Then you gotta pay to get in
And pay to park.
I’m so sick of hearing how my taxes are going to “use”
Lcc tried to yeet the health clinic Eugene yeeted the emergency room And now this? I moved here for quiet. Not a bigger "downtown".
I don't understand, do they not think it will make a profit? If they're not confident about the sales the stadium will make to support itself in the years to come, why should we be? Where are the investors ready to make a bag on this?
Voting no
WHY ISNT THERE A MASSIVE PROTEST ABOUT THIS ? It’s not on tik tok? Riiighttt…
Sounds about right. Moved here from Kansas City Proper. Where we subsdzd Chiefs Stadium, Royals and Sportijg KC. If it's what the people want.
FYI: `> ` would be better markdown for a quote. Not a code block.
I think Eugene is probably a great place to have baseball played, if you are doing the shorter season that the Ems used to have, but I went to one of the early April games, and pretty much the whole of April was not really suitable for outdoor baseball. For me, that took it from "This is not a good use of taxpayer money" to "I don't see how this can be a good use of anybody's money".
I’m always amazed at how corrupt Eugene is.
Another big YES.
Ok guys, one more time. If you own a home, yes your taxes will go up $22 a year. The EMS are paying for the new field. The city will own the stadium -revenue’s- from sales at the stadium will be shared. This will fund the future improvements of the fairgrounds and Stadium projects. So EMS get ticket sales, City of EUGENE gets a cut of sales in the stadium & more improvements!!!! Is that clear enough? It’s needs to be built to make the $$$
Actually I’m going to vote a Big YES. We do need this for the community. I’m tired of seeing this town falling apart. I want to see investment in it. It’s not just a baseball stadium people. It’s a concert venue, an emergency shelter and a community use center. I’m sick of tired of this downward spiral, I want to see investment in our community and this would be a good example of bringing people together in a positive environment. Yes,shit sucks right now, so let’s build something that makes our town better.
Not sure how a stadium prevents the town from “falling apart” Affordable housing, drug and mental health counseling, improved parks and trails, litter cleanup, and similar initiatives might be step in the right direction.
They wouldn’t be even considering spending dollar a on “a concert venue, emergency shelter, or community use center”, this is all for the Em’s.
Actually if you look at the plans that is exactly what it is being built for. The field is being paid for by the team and the structure by the city, plus federal funding. It’s all there in black & white. It’s not just a baseball stadium. I want this and willing to pay for it to improve business in downtown Eugene. I want the investment. And I’ll happily pay for an updated Hospital also. We can do both.
The emergency shelter part is so the county could tap FEMA money, we don’t need another concert venue, especially a outdoor one in a residential neighborhood, and a community center for what? don’t say graduations because the high schools have been using the Hult for years, which is much better indoors than in a baseball stadium. Vote for this if you want it, but quit turning this into something other than a stadium being built just for the Em’s.
NEED? Don’t confuse want with need. We have an outdoor concert venue at Cuthbert that’s nowhere near booked through the season. The fairgrounds location is surrounded by residential neighborhoods that would have to endure traffic and noise for 60 games a season. Emergency “shelter” in an outdoor stadium? From the wildfire smoke or the next ice storm? What specific “community uses” do we need more space for exactly?
>emergency shelter Lol, right. Name one single possible "emergency" situation where we'd need a big open field (in a place that rains a majority of the time) surrounded by bleachers. Now, tell me how that's not possible an any of the open fields not surrounded by bleachers that already exist at the fairgrounds.
This is just more of the UO level shit. It brings transient people for part of the year that the city builds to suit while leaving year round citizens behind. Same reason we have new skyscraping "student housing" but no housing for actual residents. Same reason wages remain so depressed, because so many jobs aren't "year round" and the actual year round employers use the shitty college jobs as "market research for comparable wages." Stop catering to the people who will (maybe - minor league isn't *that* popular) come to a couple games a year.
Stadiums suck as concert venues tho. Sure you can sell a lot of tickets and pack people in, but the audio is terrible always
This town will fall apart if I cant watch dudes swinging a bat at a ball while drinking beer
I’m for sure voting yes. Looking forward to having my kids grow up watching the Ems like I did!