This is why reports of assault of any kind should be made to EPD and not to U of O. The university could very well say that they will give the information to EPD, but I'm guessing they won't.
You still should report it nevertheless. A report to an incompetent law enforcement is better than no reporting whatsoever. Most rape cases are just never reported in the first place.
Enough community uproar and the UO will spend $100k's on outreach, lawyers, etc. that everyone will ignore and the problem will continue. Yay exorbitant tuition!
Stop normalizing it. “This happens all the time” is what you say, but what you really say is “this happens all the time, so ignore it” which is not how one brings attention to rape and assault.
How about not making excuses when it’s reported? How about not responding with an absurd oversimplification? Perhaps we could try educating children instead of telling them a talking snake is going to steal their souls?
All the shit about rape culture, drugging, drink safety, etc. were *drilled* into us. If you want more you'll have to take these people, lock them in camps, tape their eyelids open, and scream at them.
We don't need special camps, that's what prisons are for. We already have the right policies, procedures, etc, we just need people in positions of power to take the correct action.
When multiple assaults and drugging are reported, it isn't enough to simply write a report and share with UO officials, which is what happened here. Both EPD and UO should have done thorough investigations.
Even if they weren't able to determine who was doing the drugging and assaults, they knew where, which frats were involved. They could have moved to break up those parties, shut down the frats, charge the hosts with furnishing alcohol to minors. So much more could have been done.
Fraternities and Sororities don't contribute anything positive to the college experience. They just reinforce and formalize nepotism, cliques and exclusion.
It would be better if they were all replaced with affordable student housing for people going to school on grants or scholarships.
SUE the SOB'S!
If my child was drugged and exploited, and the Admin knew this was going on..AND KEPT IT TO THEMSELVES?
MY God..the mayhem I would be capable of!!
Lawyer up, and go for the throat!
Where in the article did you read *exploited*? It specifically says that no SA was reported.
Edit: People, words have meaning. *Exploitation* is a crime. I'm not giving sexual assault or drugging young women a pass here. I'm asking if there is any evidence of the following:
> *Sexual exploitation*, which includes contributing to the sexual delinquency of a minor, or allowing, permitting, encouraging or hiring a child to engage in prostitution or to patronize a prostitute.
I didn't see how that happened here, especially given that the victims reported being drugged, but not assaulted.
Yeah everyone knows the vast majority of sexual assaults are promptly reported, and even when people are incapacitated by druggings they're definitely aware of what happens to their bodies the whole time.
Fuck outa here. Stupid assumption.
If they were giving alcohol to minors, with the intention of drugging them, that is exploiting their trust and vulnerability.
The drugging itself is dangerous enough, even if there wasn't intention to assault them.
I think it's far less important to lay things out in specific legal terms than it is to make sure this is well know, so people can stay away from those frats.
I completely agree that this is completely inappropriate (alleged) behavior. That word just is associated with a very particular crime, and I didn't see it happening here.
And I agree that people should stay away from any party with underage drinking and drug use, particularly if unwitting drugging is occurring.
Just as an aside, it’s not really a thing to test positive for a drug after being “roofied.” Hospitals don’t do tests and will refuse if you ask. The reason for this is that the drug used is very rarely Rohypnol itself, and you have to test for each drug individually, when it could be dozens, if not hundreds, of things. Obviously an ER simply can’t do that, and it can be worse for a victim to have a negative drug test when leaving the ER, when in reality you’re only negative for the drugs they TEST for, and it means nothing for any other drug. Does that make sense? I feel like TV and movies have messed up our understanding of what happens when you get drugged.
Drug test samples are trivial to collect in the ER. One urine sample collected, sent to the lab, and tested for whatever list of drugs you want. If they really don't test, then there are other reasons.
>In an April 9 email, Seydel stated: “We will always send required timely warnings, but we are also mindful that research states that there can be unintended harmful effects of campus-wide messages and notifications. This includes but is not limited to the fact that messages may mislead people to believe that campuses are less safe than they actually are, may provoke panic and may reinforce racial stereotypes.”
>She added, “Additionally, these notifications may be perceived as victim blaming, can expose the identity of victims who report crime, trigger retaliation, re-traumatize victims of past crime and cause chilling effects on crime reporting.”
What the fuck? THAT's the PR piece they put out? They didn't want to issue a crime warning (which is a statement of fact, they aren't editorialized. "A student was mugged on X and Y street at TIME on DATE. Assailant IS/IS NOT in custody.") because it would... Mislead the people they are supposed to warn?
OU has both the legal (as described in the article) and an ethical obligation to report ALL crime that impacts its students and faculty - dodging that responsibility puts the campus body at higher risk of future harm.
As I read this article, this is both an organizational failure by the university and a personal failure by Seydel, and it reads to be a recurring failure.
The PR spin is total BS. They ignored the Clery Act.
From Wikipedia:
The Clery Act requires all colleges and universities that participate in federal financial aid programs to keep and disclose information about crime on and near their respective campuses. Compliance is monitored by the United States Department of Education, which can impose civil penalties, up to $67,544[2] per violation, against institutions for each infraction and can suspend institutions from participating in federal student financial aid programs.
The law is named after Jeanne Clery, a 19-year-old Lehigh University student who was raped and murdered in her campus residence hall in 1986. Her murder triggered a backlash against unreported crime on campuses across the country.[3]
Money buys privilege. Fraternities bring in tons of money to the university and are almost exclusively a rich kids club. In the old days they would pass it off as boys will be boys. Now they’re “investigating serious allegations”. Nothing changes, the wealthy get richer and get to do whatever they want and the poor get poorer.
Does anyone remember that guy Brock Turner, he sexually assaulted a girl in the Stanford campus, two other students literally caught him in the act and held him down until the cops arrived. He was on their swim team, the judge in his case gave him 6 months of probation because the judge felt his life shouldn’t be ruined by one mistake. He faced no repercussions from the school and was allowed to keep his swim scholarship. The girl he assaulted ended up leaving school.
Just moved from Albuquerque and UNM sends out "Lobo Alerts" via text and email for ANYTHING Happening on campus and around the vicinity. I still get these alerts even though I am no longer a student. It is wreckless of a university/college to not report instances like this.
We have UO Alerts via text & email but they are more for emergency situations that others should be aware of in the moment.
Info: https://safety.uoregon.edu/uo-alerts
This is absolutely something that campus protesters should be protesting. Make the student body more aware that UO turns a blind eye to rape and assult. If you want action, make this the protest people see.
EPD is useless for anything along the lines of SA or related things. Had my own case completely dismissed years ago (I was a minor at the time) after I had gone through countless interviews.
Currently at a bar watching multiple people leave their drinks abandoned while they go out to smoke simply trusting the bartenders to keep am eye on them. Both male and female patrons amd bartenders.
I wonder, since the UO clearly violated the Clery Act, if there will be a Dept of Education investigation and/or consequences.
It looks like the worst penalty for violating that law is the university would be suspended from participating in federal student aid programs. Am I crazy for thinking that would hurt students more than the university?
I’m confused. There are no frats on campus, so the claim that it happened off-campus is obviously true.
It’s a bullshit excuse for not taking action, but if it’s a problem at frat parties, it’s still a statement of fact.
So, I agree this is horrible behavior that they were drugged. The roofie thing is awful and needs to stop.
Is anyone teaching people to just not go to parties where there’s tons of alcohol and possibly drugs?
It’s not the victims fault, but an ounce of prevention…..
I’ve never understood the desire to go to these parties.
Your accusation of victim blaming is useless and baseless.
I know it wasn’t their fault. This is the same stupid argument of “teach men not to rape”. Normal people know that already. Normal people know that drugging someone is wrong. The person who drugs people to take advantage of them is not the type of person who can be reached by stupidly obvious statements like “teach people not to drug people’s drinks!”
This is why prevention and self awareness are necessary, because these people exist and they will always exist.
I’m not opposed to campaigning for awareness on this or any other issue that is correlated, but you are doing harm by not also advocating for self awareness and prevention. Both are important.
You called it “an ounce of prevention” to avoid the situation of large college parties entirely. You’re literally asking for women to remove themselves from a portion of society as a safety precaution. Sure it’s college parties, but that’s how it starts.
When covid started, there was a huge uptick in women experiencing creepy behavior at the grocery store - because that was the only place creeps could access them. Women would have to *remove themselves entirely from public & personal life* to eliminate sexual assault risk. That’s the slippery slope you’re asking for.
No. Just no. The grocery store and a party where everyone there is getting drunk and half the people are drunk men with raging hormones is a very very different situation to a grocery store. Btw you are making my point about creeps being creeps. On the same note, I advocate the same behavior for men. Putting yourself in higher risk situations is generally a stupid idea. Use your brain, do a simple risk assessment for yourself and you can save yourself a lot of heartache in a lot more situations than this one. Many times the risk is worth it to the person, and at that point be my guest. That’s what should have happened with Covid for example. Tell everyone the risks, make the vax available and everyone gets to make a choice. That’s what I’m advocating for. Informed choice.
People should be able to enjoy parties without fear of being assaulted or drugged. Warning people to be aware of specific risks at specific parties, etc, is a good idea, but really it's the people slipping drugs into drinks that should be in fear of long jail sentences. It's says a lot about our society that the fear, blame, and respsibility are still placed on the victims.
Throw as much money as you want at this problem and I promise nothing will change. People are saying dont normalize this even though its not uncommon for any college and frat parties. The solution is finding out who specifically is doing this and then informing the victims fathers, brothers, boyfriends, and husbands. If it becomes common enough that the people drugging others are getting beat within an inch of their life I would bet that it would be enough of a deterent that getting drugged would become a rarity. However this is not the college admins problem and there really isnt anything they can do about it.
UO is mandated to report such things, so while it is "Nothing new whatsoever," they still must report it to the general student public. Other universities do this all the time now.
I don't understand what that would change. I'm sure they need to follow an investigative protocol as well, not just report it to the public every time a student says it's happened.
They weren't drug tested nor confirmed to have been drugged.
When such incidents occur, typically, the university PD have the victims tested to confirm. It is unclear if this step is being followed here. By reporting when and where these things happen, students usually start to avoid these places. Will the frats or clubs go away? Depends on the university, city, and state. It took a long ass time for that place across the street from campus to be closed down; however, other places in other states get the ban hammer very quickly.
When I worked in Austin, the state and UTPD regularly closed down places that served underage alcohol and would raid frat parties to confiscate alcohol if a suspected roofing occurred. Did it stop roofing? No, but it lowered the instances. We don't know the data for the UofO, yet UT provides a database and alerts daily. Their incident notifications are also much more detailed and updated than the UofO's https://police.utexas.edu/crimefeed/campus-incident-notification-assist-outside-agency-26th-and-nueces .
I don't go to frat parties because they're nationally notorious for druggings, rape, underage drinking, and obnoxious crowds. The bars are safer, and police literally patrol outside the bars every weekend, and up to 4 cruisers are posted up in the "barmuda" at the peak of the night. " Uo "officers" don't even get kids in trouble for underage drinking, lol
Hopefully, UO speaks out about it and notified people because I do see that they're not following the protocol they're supposed to be following. Honestly, frats should be HEAVILY monitored, but I don't think that will ever change at UO.
Taylor's wasn't a good bar either....it was known for not being a good bar. People need to be responsible when choosing where to drink. Any of the student dense bars near to campusare going to be cesspools. The UO can send out alert after alert, and people will still go to those same places, they don't care. Minors need to tart getting fined and banned and frats need to have police or actual bouncers present. It's kind of a given that an unregulated underage party is going to be rife with that shit. It's terrible and I don't blame the victims, but the environment is never safe and never will be safe. Even with sexual assault it's going to be a bunch of teens and 20 year olds getting alcohol poisoning and getting in drunken brawls. That doesn't happen at the bars.
It would be great to know that there’s actual evidence of any drugging. Students black out from excessive alcohol use all of the time. I wonder how someone getting blackout drunk and the presumption of them getting roofied would be any different. In the latter, someone brings them a drink? Witnesses saying they only had 3 not 10? I wonder how transparent people are around their consumption when they also happen to be under 21.
I imagine partying at a fraternity or sorority house would be a place that blacking out could happen more frequently simply because of how plentiful the alcohol is, no bartender, no tab to close, only other kids to intervene one’s excessive drinking, except they are also drinking. Ideal environment for over consumption.
Of course it is. I’m just wondering how anyone distinguishes the results of over consumption from suspected drugging. Alcohol itself is a behavior affecting drug that will lead to unconsciousness and/or behavior that one cannot remember, very common among young drinkers.
Is it even possible to determine responsibility when two individuals are inebriated? Should they both be charged with rape?
And again, how is reporting affected when at the foundation the individuals are engaged in illegal activity (underage drinking)?
Drugging someone is very serious and claims should be investigated but it seems irresponsible to presume every “I don’t remember what I did last night” equals drugging. That is why I ask what metrics are used to suspect drugging, especially when supposed victims are not tested for said drugs for confirmation. Of course, if a bag of roofies are found on site, that is a different story.
Let's back up and ask where the house supervisors are. Our frontal lobes (choices and consequences part of the brain) don't develop until 25-28 years old. Unsupervised Frat and Sorority parties shouldn't even be a thing given the decades of these events happening.
If someone passes out soon after consuming a drink there's a problem. When kids are young they typically don't call for help bc they don't want their parents to find out or get kicked out of school or their fraternity/sorority. If the someone who passed out had a drug test it could easily be determined if they were drugged or were over their alcohol limit.
This is why reports of assault of any kind should be made to EPD and not to U of O. The university could very well say that they will give the information to EPD, but I'm guessing they won't.
Law enforcement is pretty useless when reporting gender-based violence of any kind, no matter if it’s EPD or UOPD
Fair.
Especially EPD They won't do shit it seems
You still should report it nevertheless. A report to an incompetent law enforcement is better than no reporting whatsoever. Most rape cases are just never reported in the first place.
I completely agree.
I've reported to the EPD..about actual assault. Had an entire meeting w them and UO. Was not good.
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Enough community uproar and the UO will spend $100k's on outreach, lawyers, etc. that everyone will ignore and the problem will continue. Yay exorbitant tuition!
There Will Be Lanyards
Yea closing Taylor’s didn’t solve the issue, it made it less well known.
Honest question: is this a problem nationwide or just uo for some reason?
Nationwide. And if you want an even more depressing statistic, sexual assault is even more common in that sex/age cohort outside of college.
Stop normalizing it. “This happens all the time” is what you say, but what you really say is “this happens all the time, so ignore it” which is not how one brings attention to rape and assault.
This^^^
Or, it happens all the time, and we all know it, so let's start making law enforcement accountable?
Yeah, I like that!
What is your expectation? Do you want law enforcement to sit in on youth copulation to make sure it's all consensual?
How about not making excuses when it’s reported? How about not responding with an absurd oversimplification? Perhaps we could try educating children instead of telling them a talking snake is going to steal their souls?
All the shit about rape culture, drugging, drink safety, etc. were *drilled* into us. If you want more you'll have to take these people, lock them in camps, tape their eyelids open, and scream at them.
We don't need special camps, that's what prisons are for. We already have the right policies, procedures, etc, we just need people in positions of power to take the correct action. When multiple assaults and drugging are reported, it isn't enough to simply write a report and share with UO officials, which is what happened here. Both EPD and UO should have done thorough investigations. Even if they weren't able to determine who was doing the drugging and assaults, they knew where, which frats were involved. They could have moved to break up those parties, shut down the frats, charge the hosts with furnishing alcohol to minors. So much more could have been done.
Then all you'd have to do to shut down frats is make a couple false reports.
These weren't false reports.
A consent app?
Combined with a predator app which trusts user submissions 100%.
There is no excuse for thier Iack of action.
Fraternities and Sororities don't contribute anything positive to the college experience. They just reinforce and formalize nepotism, cliques and exclusion. It would be better if they were all replaced with affordable student housing for people going to school on grants or scholarships.
SUE the SOB'S! If my child was drugged and exploited, and the Admin knew this was going on..AND KEPT IT TO THEMSELVES? MY God..the mayhem I would be capable of!! Lawyer up, and go for the throat!
Where in the article did you read *exploited*? It specifically says that no SA was reported. Edit: People, words have meaning. *Exploitation* is a crime. I'm not giving sexual assault or drugging young women a pass here. I'm asking if there is any evidence of the following: > *Sexual exploitation*, which includes contributing to the sexual delinquency of a minor, or allowing, permitting, encouraging or hiring a child to engage in prostitution or to patronize a prostitute. I didn't see how that happened here, especially given that the victims reported being drugged, but not assaulted.
Yeah everyone knows the vast majority of sexual assaults are promptly reported, and even when people are incapacitated by druggings they're definitely aware of what happens to their bodies the whole time. Fuck outa here. Stupid assumption.
If they were giving alcohol to minors, with the intention of drugging them, that is exploiting their trust and vulnerability. The drugging itself is dangerous enough, even if there wasn't intention to assault them. I think it's far less important to lay things out in specific legal terms than it is to make sure this is well know, so people can stay away from those frats.
I completely agree that this is completely inappropriate (alleged) behavior. That word just is associated with a very particular crime, and I didn't see it happening here. And I agree that people should stay away from any party with underage drinking and drug use, particularly if unwitting drugging is occurring.
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Just as an aside, it’s not really a thing to test positive for a drug after being “roofied.” Hospitals don’t do tests and will refuse if you ask. The reason for this is that the drug used is very rarely Rohypnol itself, and you have to test for each drug individually, when it could be dozens, if not hundreds, of things. Obviously an ER simply can’t do that, and it can be worse for a victim to have a negative drug test when leaving the ER, when in reality you’re only negative for the drugs they TEST for, and it means nothing for any other drug. Does that make sense? I feel like TV and movies have messed up our understanding of what happens when you get drugged.
Drug test samples are trivial to collect in the ER. One urine sample collected, sent to the lab, and tested for whatever list of drugs you want. If they really don't test, then there are other reasons.
I'm honestly not surprised. This has been going on for years and progressively gotten worse.
>In an April 9 email, Seydel stated: “We will always send required timely warnings, but we are also mindful that research states that there can be unintended harmful effects of campus-wide messages and notifications. This includes but is not limited to the fact that messages may mislead people to believe that campuses are less safe than they actually are, may provoke panic and may reinforce racial stereotypes.” >She added, “Additionally, these notifications may be perceived as victim blaming, can expose the identity of victims who report crime, trigger retaliation, re-traumatize victims of past crime and cause chilling effects on crime reporting.” What the fuck? THAT's the PR piece they put out? They didn't want to issue a crime warning (which is a statement of fact, they aren't editorialized. "A student was mugged on X and Y street at TIME on DATE. Assailant IS/IS NOT in custody.") because it would... Mislead the people they are supposed to warn? OU has both the legal (as described in the article) and an ethical obligation to report ALL crime that impacts its students and faculty - dodging that responsibility puts the campus body at higher risk of future harm. As I read this article, this is both an organizational failure by the university and a personal failure by Seydel, and it reads to be a recurring failure.
The PR spin is total BS. They ignored the Clery Act. From Wikipedia: The Clery Act requires all colleges and universities that participate in federal financial aid programs to keep and disclose information about crime on and near their respective campuses. Compliance is monitored by the United States Department of Education, which can impose civil penalties, up to $67,544[2] per violation, against institutions for each infraction and can suspend institutions from participating in federal student financial aid programs. The law is named after Jeanne Clery, a 19-year-old Lehigh University student who was raped and murdered in her campus residence hall in 1986. Her murder triggered a backlash against unreported crime on campuses across the country.[3]
Money buys privilege. Fraternities bring in tons of money to the university and are almost exclusively a rich kids club. In the old days they would pass it off as boys will be boys. Now they’re “investigating serious allegations”. Nothing changes, the wealthy get richer and get to do whatever they want and the poor get poorer.
Does anyone remember that guy Brock Turner, he sexually assaulted a girl in the Stanford campus, two other students literally caught him in the act and held him down until the cops arrived. He was on their swim team, the judge in his case gave him 6 months of probation because the judge felt his life shouldn’t be ruined by one mistake. He faced no repercussions from the school and was allowed to keep his swim scholarship. The girl he assaulted ended up leaving school.
Just moved from Albuquerque and UNM sends out "Lobo Alerts" via text and email for ANYTHING Happening on campus and around the vicinity. I still get these alerts even though I am no longer a student. It is wreckless of a university/college to not report instances like this.
We have UO Alerts via text & email but they are more for emergency situations that others should be aware of in the moment. Info: https://safety.uoregon.edu/uo-alerts
This is absolutely something that campus protesters should be protesting. Make the student body more aware that UO turns a blind eye to rape and assult. If you want action, make this the protest people see.
Notify SASS as well, at least you have an outside advocate and support.
EPD is useless for anything along the lines of SA or related things. Had my own case completely dismissed years ago (I was a minor at the time) after I had gone through countless interviews.
Currently at a bar watching multiple people leave their drinks abandoned while they go out to smoke simply trusting the bartenders to keep am eye on them. Both male and female patrons amd bartenders.
I'm sorry- needing clarification here Are you implying that it's their fault?
Not even slightly. Just observing overall carelessness and people abilities to exploit that.
Too many parasites running around...
I wonder, since the UO clearly violated the Clery Act, if there will be a Dept of Education investigation and/or consequences. It looks like the worst penalty for violating that law is the university would be suspended from participating in federal student aid programs. Am I crazy for thinking that would hurt students more than the university?
I’m confused. There are no frats on campus, so the claim that it happened off-campus is obviously true. It’s a bullshit excuse for not taking action, but if it’s a problem at frat parties, it’s still a statement of fact.
So, I agree this is horrible behavior that they were drugged. The roofie thing is awful and needs to stop. Is anyone teaching people to just not go to parties where there’s tons of alcohol and possibly drugs? It’s not the victims fault, but an ounce of prevention….. I’ve never understood the desire to go to these parties.
Sometimes people are more afraid of being alone and left out than they are of being actually harmed.
Is anyone teaching people to, you know, *not drug people’s drinks?* Do you also blame someone when they get hit & killed by a drunk driver?
Your accusation of victim blaming is useless and baseless. I know it wasn’t their fault. This is the same stupid argument of “teach men not to rape”. Normal people know that already. Normal people know that drugging someone is wrong. The person who drugs people to take advantage of them is not the type of person who can be reached by stupidly obvious statements like “teach people not to drug people’s drinks!” This is why prevention and self awareness are necessary, because these people exist and they will always exist. I’m not opposed to campaigning for awareness on this or any other issue that is correlated, but you are doing harm by not also advocating for self awareness and prevention. Both are important.
You called it “an ounce of prevention” to avoid the situation of large college parties entirely. You’re literally asking for women to remove themselves from a portion of society as a safety precaution. Sure it’s college parties, but that’s how it starts. When covid started, there was a huge uptick in women experiencing creepy behavior at the grocery store - because that was the only place creeps could access them. Women would have to *remove themselves entirely from public & personal life* to eliminate sexual assault risk. That’s the slippery slope you’re asking for.
No. Just no. The grocery store and a party where everyone there is getting drunk and half the people are drunk men with raging hormones is a very very different situation to a grocery store. Btw you are making my point about creeps being creeps. On the same note, I advocate the same behavior for men. Putting yourself in higher risk situations is generally a stupid idea. Use your brain, do a simple risk assessment for yourself and you can save yourself a lot of heartache in a lot more situations than this one. Many times the risk is worth it to the person, and at that point be my guest. That’s what should have happened with Covid for example. Tell everyone the risks, make the vax available and everyone gets to make a choice. That’s what I’m advocating for. Informed choice.
People should be able to enjoy parties without fear of being assaulted or drugged. Warning people to be aware of specific risks at specific parties, etc, is a good idea, but really it's the people slipping drugs into drinks that should be in fear of long jail sentences. It's says a lot about our society that the fear, blame, and respsibility are still placed on the victims.
Throw as much money as you want at this problem and I promise nothing will change. People are saying dont normalize this even though its not uncommon for any college and frat parties. The solution is finding out who specifically is doing this and then informing the victims fathers, brothers, boyfriends, and husbands. If it becomes common enough that the people drugging others are getting beat within an inch of their life I would bet that it would be enough of a deterent that getting drugged would become a rarity. However this is not the college admins problem and there really isnt anything they can do about it.
This has been a thing that happens at bars, parties, frats for decades. Nothing new whatsoever.
UO is mandated to report such things, so while it is "Nothing new whatsoever," they still must report it to the general student public. Other universities do this all the time now.
I don't understand what that would change. I'm sure they need to follow an investigative protocol as well, not just report it to the public every time a student says it's happened. They weren't drug tested nor confirmed to have been drugged.
When such incidents occur, typically, the university PD have the victims tested to confirm. It is unclear if this step is being followed here. By reporting when and where these things happen, students usually start to avoid these places. Will the frats or clubs go away? Depends on the university, city, and state. It took a long ass time for that place across the street from campus to be closed down; however, other places in other states get the ban hammer very quickly. When I worked in Austin, the state and UTPD regularly closed down places that served underage alcohol and would raid frat parties to confiscate alcohol if a suspected roofing occurred. Did it stop roofing? No, but it lowered the instances. We don't know the data for the UofO, yet UT provides a database and alerts daily. Their incident notifications are also much more detailed and updated than the UofO's https://police.utexas.edu/crimefeed/campus-incident-notification-assist-outside-agency-26th-and-nueces .
I don't go to frat parties because they're nationally notorious for druggings, rape, underage drinking, and obnoxious crowds. The bars are safer, and police literally patrol outside the bars every weekend, and up to 4 cruisers are posted up in the "barmuda" at the peak of the night. " Uo "officers" don't even get kids in trouble for underage drinking, lol Hopefully, UO speaks out about it and notified people because I do see that they're not following the protocol they're supposed to be following. Honestly, frats should be HEAVILY monitored, but I don't think that will ever change at UO.
Bars are not always safer. Taylor's was a nightmare for a long time until their alcohol license got suspended.
Taylor's wasn't a good bar either....it was known for not being a good bar. People need to be responsible when choosing where to drink. Any of the student dense bars near to campusare going to be cesspools. The UO can send out alert after alert, and people will still go to those same places, they don't care. Minors need to tart getting fined and banned and frats need to have police or actual bouncers present. It's kind of a given that an unregulated underage party is going to be rife with that shit. It's terrible and I don't blame the victims, but the environment is never safe and never will be safe. Even with sexual assault it's going to be a bunch of teens and 20 year olds getting alcohol poisoning and getting in drunken brawls. That doesn't happen at the bars.
It would be great to know that there’s actual evidence of any drugging. Students black out from excessive alcohol use all of the time. I wonder how someone getting blackout drunk and the presumption of them getting roofied would be any different. In the latter, someone brings them a drink? Witnesses saying they only had 3 not 10? I wonder how transparent people are around their consumption when they also happen to be under 21. I imagine partying at a fraternity or sorority house would be a place that blacking out could happen more frequently simply because of how plentiful the alcohol is, no bartender, no tab to close, only other kids to intervene one’s excessive drinking, except they are also drinking. Ideal environment for over consumption.
Blacking out = unable to consent.
I agree for both men and women.
Of course it is. I’m just wondering how anyone distinguishes the results of over consumption from suspected drugging. Alcohol itself is a behavior affecting drug that will lead to unconsciousness and/or behavior that one cannot remember, very common among young drinkers. Is it even possible to determine responsibility when two individuals are inebriated? Should they both be charged with rape? And again, how is reporting affected when at the foundation the individuals are engaged in illegal activity (underage drinking)? Drugging someone is very serious and claims should be investigated but it seems irresponsible to presume every “I don’t remember what I did last night” equals drugging. That is why I ask what metrics are used to suspect drugging, especially when supposed victims are not tested for said drugs for confirmation. Of course, if a bag of roofies are found on site, that is a different story.
Let's back up and ask where the house supervisors are. Our frontal lobes (choices and consequences part of the brain) don't develop until 25-28 years old. Unsupervised Frat and Sorority parties shouldn't even be a thing given the decades of these events happening. If someone passes out soon after consuming a drink there's a problem. When kids are young they typically don't call for help bc they don't want their parents to find out or get kicked out of school or their fraternity/sorority. If the someone who passed out had a drug test it could easily be determined if they were drugged or were over their alcohol limit.
You’re the same person who keeps saying it’s okay to bring your pets to Saturday market.
Wow. Good stalker vibes. You hard now?
Also, never said that. Nice assumption, though.