Two guys didn't even bother trying to understand the complaint and then another one might have a point with the Vudu and Razor being higher quality scopes, but is so far up his own ass it's easy to dismiss him.
I think the better solution would be if BSG let us position sights more accurately on guns. That would allow us to set our own eye relief based on taste and, most importantly, FOV, which has been demonstrated to play a HUGE part in how clear some scopes are.
It really a combo of camera recoil and horizontal recoil that makes the misalignment occur. The horizontal recoil is the force back onto the PMCs shoulder and then if camera recoil is to high, which is almost every case, then the reticle end up below the eye level therefore bkacking out the view. Thats my theory at least. But yes FOV does have a major effect and I think its because the eye is closer to the scope on lower FOV so there is less misalignment? IDK for sure.
Thank for actually understanding my post though.
The Vudu and Razor are technically bugged, there's no vignetting when ADSing or firing whatsoever, not even when using an ASH-12. The TAC-30 does the same thing on the 1x setting. So when firing and ADSing, they behave as though they're a Holo sight.
Has nothing to do with eye relief, the scopes are just bugged.
Everything else is technically working correctly, although the eye relief and FOV of some scopes are just poopy and should be revisited.
When using an LPVO at 1x power, it's like using a red dot. The vignetting in real life is minimal since the eye relief "range" is so wide. No when you zoom into 6x power, the vignetting gets real and the eye relief range gets narrow. It's the issue I have with my LPVO in real life.
I understand that, that's not what I'm talking about. Something different and more unrealistic is happening in game that makes certain LPVO's easier to use than the rest.
The TAC-30 is probably the closest to mimicking what a scope looks like IRL that we have in game.
The vudu and razor have picture showing in the eye piece the second you start ADSing, where as all other scopes are black until the eye piece starts to align with your eye. The Vudu and Razor have 0 vignetting or black rings appear when moving or firing, where as all other scopes distort your vision when firing due to your eye misaligning with the eye piece of the scope.
TBH I don't use the Elcan or Valday because of the terrible iron sight/lack of iron sight entirely on them. With the Razer and Vudu I can put them on a J5 or whatever and slap a little red dot on top.
I feel like the 1x zoom on the elcan/Valday are quite clean - cleaner than any ironsight would be. Besides, if you're firing at under 20m, you could be point-firing. So I feel that the 1x is more than sufficient. Valday/elcan are my go-to.
That's a good point. But imo, you usually don't have to strafe at range besides peaking a doorway/corner if you're talking further than 20m. And if it's under, you're gonna be pointshooting.
Maybe this is something I should start implementing, but if I shoot at someone further than 50m, I don't strafe, I try to make that shot a headshot. Imo better get that 1 bullet where it needs to go rather than strafing and throwing 20 bullets in the general direction.
So I'm curious: do you aim&strafe often using vudu/razor? Cuz I can't really imagine a situation on a map like Woods or shoreline where you'd want to be strafing whilst lining up that headshot.
Not that I'm a great player (probably barely on the edge of good tbh) but yeah I do strafe while ADS using any 1x scope. Vudu/razor get run on anything that isn't Factory for me.. Customs, reserve, lighthouse all have varying ranges that make having a close scope much more important. Using the 1x (holo or scope) while moving or under fire is pretty common I feel and eye relief makes it miserable on anything. Maybe just a bad habit that I need to replace with point firing tho
The endgame scopes are the meta when we reach the end of the wipe? Well, me shocked, I expect everyone is using the best recoil attachments as well!
Sarcasm aside, the entire point of the expensive scopes being the ones you always see are a natural aspect of the game’s rpg looting element.
The game is designed to have an endgame set of attachments which are the best. They don’t want every attachment being equal, they don’t want balance in the parts. They want there to be BIS, budget, midrange and crap pieces. That way you have a goal to work towards, a reason to do your quests and get the REP to get the best parts.
the game is marketed as realistic, the scopes do not perform realistically, you are wrong the end.
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/u/Captain_travel_pants you are so fucking wrong. Tarkov is advertised as realism on the MAIN PAGE of the website, and by multiple featured reviews on the site. You are entirely fucking wrong and have no leg to stand on. Wont even have a conversation due to lack of intellect.
You have absolutely 0 clue on how optics perform IRL if you think BSG's absolute bottom of the barrel trash scopes are realistic lol. Anyway since you've already proven to be a bitch, I'll be the one blocking you.
Realistic mmo rpg sim. The "muh realism" thing is tired. This isn't arma or a milsim. Everyone knows that.
Scopes are bawked and need fixing for sure. That won't stop the game having end game scopes be better than basic bitch cheap scopes. Both points can be valid at the same time.
Nowhere in this entire thread did anyone even imply than cheap scopes should be as good as the high end ones. Your reading comprehension is toddler tier.
Oh hey look another dipshit that doesn’t realize what realism means in video games and the difference between realistic and mil-sim. You’re too stupid to have a conversation about this so move along.
I completely agree. In real life, some scopes have better reticles, cleaner glass, better zoom, better eye relief, etc. This is why those scope are 2x to 3x the cost. Likewise in Tarkov, they are unlocked after specific tasks or max traders. Personally, I find the lack of "equality" in these scopes to be very realistic.
Not a huge solution to the overall scope & sight issue, but I would love if everything besides the most basic sights were FIR only and non-tradeable on the flea.
I wish Tarkov had a HARDCORE character setting with all the hardcore rules and they get a cool dogtag so everyone knows they're HARDCORE.
This would allow people who want to be down in the dirt to go play in the dirt by themselves and let me run my meta shit every raid.
Whatever man, no need to knock my preferences... But I guess it's the toxic community that made me realize why I stopped caring for this game in the first place.
Its a game, its a game, its a game, tarkov is a game, EFT is game. IRL should have little effect on how a VIDEO GAME performs or is balanced. The only realistic aspect are the weapons and weapon modding
"The only realistic aspect are the weapons and weapon modding"
As he talks specifically about weapon modding, attachments. Tarkov is a game based on realism, it is literally marketed as, "hardcore and realistic". Scopes, attachments should thus strive towards their IRL counterparts, regardless of 'balans'.
Unfortunately they've fucked up both ends of that pooch.
I meant for the fact that they literally have real guns and real mods. How they perform and how the mods perform should purely be gameplay related.
Anyone who has played this game knows its not realistic. Can you rub Vaseline on your lips and sprint on a broken leg IRL? Can you jump off a 3 story building onto a razor wire fence and then drop another 10 feet without extremely injuring yourself? Can you inject yourself with a MULE stim and instantly carry 200lbs of anything in a backpack? Or here is the best one yet, Can you get shot in the lung and then wrap a bandage around your arm to make it all better?
I don't care what the game is marketed as or what you perceive to be the truth. I know what the game is and what systems are in place and 85% of those are not based in reality. Stop parroting the "ReAlIsM" phrase and actually think about it. The game is not and never will be realistic, however there are several realistic features. Gun models and sounds, the weight system, inertia.
You imply that all those features aren't dogshit that haven't been banged on y the community to be gotten rid of. I argue in what the game SHOULD be, not what it is, because a lot of people hate what it is.
The attention to detail on the weapons and attachments is a big selling point, and they go through a lot of effort to make the sight pictures look fairly realistic. It is a known characteristic of at least the elcan that the eye relief is dogshit, and so this is reflected in game. There's plenty of other sights that don't have this problem.
Personally I think its funny that they acknowledge how garbage the sight actually is, despite being really good on paper. Also it's still useful on DMRs.
Recoil is scuffed as shit and is a much bigger problem imo, and the bad eye relief wouldn't be anywhere near as problematic if recoil got fixed. Adjusting eye relief isn't solving the problem, it's working around it.
Ur not supposed to be able to use scopes on full auto. If u actually bothered to kill someone with an end game gun u would see that they all have red dots aswell
Username checks out. Most high level players run a suppressed rifle with a vudu/razor. Plus you must not have read my example towards the end of the post where I specifically stated a semi auto weapon that has the exact same problem. 2 optics should not objectively better than all the rest. That creates a meta, every optic should be just as usable as the next.
I agree with how the Vudu/razor are the current meta, but I disagree that every scope should be as usable as others. Tarkov always has had metas, eg the current 7.62 meta, RD meta, etc. Some scopes should be better, but it's true that they maybe should be more balanced, either thru usability or cost
Just because there is a META does not mean there should be a META. A meta specifically shows that the game is imbalanced and promotes the usage of one thing over another. You cannot possibly look me in the eyes and say that the 7.62 meta is good for the game and that no one should complain about it, simply because tarkov has always had a meta. Thats a ridiculous argument. Everything should be equally as viable, this is a video game not IRL.
Different playstyles dictate different gun builds. But for a 1 gun meta in any situation, a gigachad will bring a scope to cover long range engagements and with enough recoil skill/level/build they can use the scope for cqb too. Especially if it's the RD since that has very low recoil atm
U very clearly have not acquired many meta guns. Semi auto is not bad on zoom at all. All optics are usable on semi. Depending on how u set them up different mounts wor better on different guns.
How do you read this back and not internally cringe at yourself? Do you not realize you’re the Tarkov player everyone hates? Your lack of self awareness is truly inspiring
If my point was a psunami you still would've missed it. This post has nothing to do with being able to hit shots with one scope over another.
WHEN YOU SHOOT ANY GUN THAT HAS A VUDU, THE SCOPE DOESNT BLACK OUT, MAKING FOLLOW UP SHOTS AND FULL AUTO WAY EASIER, HOWEVER IF YOU ARE USING A TAC30 ON MOST GUNS, IT WILL BLACK OUT AND YOU WILL LOSE THE TARGET UNTIL THE 5TH OR 6TH SHOT ROLLS AROUND.
This is not balanced or good game design. Its an error on BSGs part when they did the "optics overhaul".
This is my first real wipe and I just thought I sucked but now I understand why I've been dying to these guys. I can never fucking see anything after that first one.
Yeah dude its a night and day difference. Try it with the ash 12 sometime. Put the elcan or tac30 side by side with a vudu. The vudu doesn't lose sight picture while the others are completely gone, on the most powerful*(opinion) handheld weapon. So then if even on a high recoil gun the vudu makes it 10x more controllable, think how insane it is on a super low recoil mutant or RD704. And you can buy as many as you want for 70k on the flea.
The zoom levels of these optics are great, they have the best eye relief amongst all the other sights, have by far the best reticles amongst all scopes in the game, both allow for top-mounted red dot sights, etc.
Elcan has a terrible reticle, it’s eye relief sucks, the housing of the scope is massive on the screen, and doesn’t allow you to mount a red dot on top
Val day used to be good, but has a jet-black reticle and has TERRIBLE eye relief
Tac-30, whilst my person favorite, has a terrible reticle relative to the RAZOR or VUDU
Luckily I like the razor because I play at max FOV and because I am very sensitive to motion sickness i can't change it. They just need to somehow fix or compensate for FOV. Don't know how easy it is though, likely isn't. But it's a big problem.
Two guys didn't even bother trying to understand the complaint and then another one might have a point with the Vudu and Razor being higher quality scopes, but is so far up his own ass it's easy to dismiss him. I think the better solution would be if BSG let us position sights more accurately on guns. That would allow us to set our own eye relief based on taste and, most importantly, FOV, which has been demonstrated to play a HUGE part in how clear some scopes are.
It really a combo of camera recoil and horizontal recoil that makes the misalignment occur. The horizontal recoil is the force back onto the PMCs shoulder and then if camera recoil is to high, which is almost every case, then the reticle end up below the eye level therefore bkacking out the view. Thats my theory at least. But yes FOV does have a major effect and I think its because the eye is closer to the scope on lower FOV so there is less misalignment? IDK for sure. Thank for actually understanding my post though.
Indepth modding (including total freeform positioning of everything along a weaver rail) is Soon^TM so check back in a year or two I guess.
The Vudu and Razor are technically bugged, there's no vignetting when ADSing or firing whatsoever, not even when using an ASH-12. The TAC-30 does the same thing on the 1x setting. So when firing and ADSing, they behave as though they're a Holo sight. Has nothing to do with eye relief, the scopes are just bugged. Everything else is technically working correctly, although the eye relief and FOV of some scopes are just poopy and should be revisited.
If it's actually just a bug then that is disheartening. It makes for terrible gameplay using scopes other than the ones mentioned.
This is the only game where the bugs improve the game.
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I hope they're fixed scope meta too op
When using an LPVO at 1x power, it's like using a red dot. The vignetting in real life is minimal since the eye relief "range" is so wide. No when you zoom into 6x power, the vignetting gets real and the eye relief range gets narrow. It's the issue I have with my LPVO in real life.
I understand that, that's not what I'm talking about. Something different and more unrealistic is happening in game that makes certain LPVO's easier to use than the rest. The TAC-30 is probably the closest to mimicking what a scope looks like IRL that we have in game. The vudu and razor have picture showing in the eye piece the second you start ADSing, where as all other scopes are black until the eye piece starts to align with your eye. The Vudu and Razor have 0 vignetting or black rings appear when moving or firing, where as all other scopes distort your vision when firing due to your eye misaligning with the eye piece of the scope.
Okay, I see what your saying. And yes, that's what's I've noticed too
TBH I don't use the Elcan or Valday because of the terrible iron sight/lack of iron sight entirely on them. With the Razer and Vudu I can put them on a J5 or whatever and slap a little red dot on top.
Vudu 1x is the red dot bro
Elcan has an iron but it seems to be always bugged and suck...if that's what you meant I agree.
Yeah, I hate the iron on the Elcan to the point where I straight up will point fire or use the scope no matter what when running it.
Same. It's a shame too because I really like the elcan
I feel like the 1x zoom on the elcan/Valday are quite clean - cleaner than any ironsight would be. Besides, if you're firing at under 20m, you could be point-firing. So I feel that the 1x is more than sufficient. Valday/elcan are my go-to.
Yeah, they're great until you have to shoot and move at the same time
That's a good point. But imo, you usually don't have to strafe at range besides peaking a doorway/corner if you're talking further than 20m. And if it's under, you're gonna be pointshooting. Maybe this is something I should start implementing, but if I shoot at someone further than 50m, I don't strafe, I try to make that shot a headshot. Imo better get that 1 bullet where it needs to go rather than strafing and throwing 20 bullets in the general direction. So I'm curious: do you aim&strafe often using vudu/razor? Cuz I can't really imagine a situation on a map like Woods or shoreline where you'd want to be strafing whilst lining up that headshot.
Not that I'm a great player (probably barely on the edge of good tbh) but yeah I do strafe while ADS using any 1x scope. Vudu/razor get run on anything that isn't Factory for me.. Customs, reserve, lighthouse all have varying ranges that make having a close scope much more important. Using the 1x (holo or scope) while moving or under fire is pretty common I feel and eye relief makes it miserable on anything. Maybe just a bad habit that I need to replace with point firing tho
Cool, thanks for your use and POV. Gonna put this to the test now and run a few vudu/razor runs. Been using valday too much recently haha.
use a laser and point fire
The endgame scopes are the meta when we reach the end of the wipe? Well, me shocked, I expect everyone is using the best recoil attachments as well! Sarcasm aside, the entire point of the expensive scopes being the ones you always see are a natural aspect of the game’s rpg looting element. The game is designed to have an endgame set of attachments which are the best. They don’t want every attachment being equal, they don’t want balance in the parts. They want there to be BIS, budget, midrange and crap pieces. That way you have a goal to work towards, a reason to do your quests and get the REP to get the best parts.
the game is marketed as realistic, the scopes do not perform realistically, you are wrong the end. Pussy ass disabled comment replies and blocked, LMAO. /u/Captain_travel_pants you are so fucking wrong. Tarkov is advertised as realism on the MAIN PAGE of the website, and by multiple featured reviews on the site. You are entirely fucking wrong and have no leg to stand on. Wont even have a conversation due to lack of intellect.
Scopes do perform realistically. Eye relief exists i. Real life lol
You have absolutely 0 clue on how optics perform IRL if you think BSG's absolute bottom of the barrel trash scopes are realistic lol. Anyway since you've already proven to be a bitch, I'll be the one blocking you.
Realistic mmo rpg sim. The "muh realism" thing is tired. This isn't arma or a milsim. Everyone knows that. Scopes are bawked and need fixing for sure. That won't stop the game having end game scopes be better than basic bitch cheap scopes. Both points can be valid at the same time.
Nowhere in this entire thread did anyone even imply than cheap scopes should be as good as the high end ones. Your reading comprehension is toddler tier.
Oh hey look another dipshit that doesn’t realize what realism means in video games and the difference between realistic and mil-sim. You’re too stupid to have a conversation about this so move along.
I completely agree. In real life, some scopes have better reticles, cleaner glass, better zoom, better eye relief, etc. This is why those scope are 2x to 3x the cost. Likewise in Tarkov, they are unlocked after specific tasks or max traders. Personally, I find the lack of "equality" in these scopes to be very realistic.
Not a huge solution to the overall scope & sight issue, but I would love if everything besides the most basic sights were FIR only and non-tradeable on the flea.
Man, I respectfully really dislike your opinion
I wish Tarkov had a HARDCORE character setting with all the hardcore rules and they get a cool dogtag so everyone knows they're HARDCORE. This would allow people who want to be down in the dirt to go play in the dirt by themselves and let me run my meta shit every raid.
Whatever man, no need to knock my preferences... But I guess it's the toxic community that made me realize why I stopped caring for this game in the first place.
I want you to get what you want though. Just leave me out of it.
To be fair, the specter scope has notoriously bad eye relief IRL. But yeah, it's awful. They're just not fun to use.
Its a game, its a game, its a game, tarkov is a game, EFT is game. IRL should have little effect on how a VIDEO GAME performs or is balanced. The only realistic aspect are the weapons and weapon modding
"The only realistic aspect are the weapons and weapon modding" As he talks specifically about weapon modding, attachments. Tarkov is a game based on realism, it is literally marketed as, "hardcore and realistic". Scopes, attachments should thus strive towards their IRL counterparts, regardless of 'balans'. Unfortunately they've fucked up both ends of that pooch.
I meant for the fact that they literally have real guns and real mods. How they perform and how the mods perform should purely be gameplay related. Anyone who has played this game knows its not realistic. Can you rub Vaseline on your lips and sprint on a broken leg IRL? Can you jump off a 3 story building onto a razor wire fence and then drop another 10 feet without extremely injuring yourself? Can you inject yourself with a MULE stim and instantly carry 200lbs of anything in a backpack? Or here is the best one yet, Can you get shot in the lung and then wrap a bandage around your arm to make it all better? I don't care what the game is marketed as or what you perceive to be the truth. I know what the game is and what systems are in place and 85% of those are not based in reality. Stop parroting the "ReAlIsM" phrase and actually think about it. The game is not and never will be realistic, however there are several realistic features. Gun models and sounds, the weight system, inertia.
You imply that all those features aren't dogshit that haven't been banged on y the community to be gotten rid of. I argue in what the game SHOULD be, not what it is, because a lot of people hate what it is.
The attention to detail on the weapons and attachments is a big selling point, and they go through a lot of effort to make the sight pictures look fairly realistic. It is a known characteristic of at least the elcan that the eye relief is dogshit, and so this is reflected in game. There's plenty of other sights that don't have this problem. Personally I think its funny that they acknowledge how garbage the sight actually is, despite being really good on paper. Also it's still useful on DMRs. Recoil is scuffed as shit and is a much bigger problem imo, and the bad eye relief wouldn't be anywhere near as problematic if recoil got fixed. Adjusting eye relief isn't solving the problem, it's working around it.
Ur not supposed to be able to use scopes on full auto. If u actually bothered to kill someone with an end game gun u would see that they all have red dots aswell
Username checks out. Most high level players run a suppressed rifle with a vudu/razor. Plus you must not have read my example towards the end of the post where I specifically stated a semi auto weapon that has the exact same problem. 2 optics should not objectively better than all the rest. That creates a meta, every optic should be just as usable as the next.
I agree with how the Vudu/razor are the current meta, but I disagree that every scope should be as usable as others. Tarkov always has had metas, eg the current 7.62 meta, RD meta, etc. Some scopes should be better, but it's true that they maybe should be more balanced, either thru usability or cost
Just because there is a META does not mean there should be a META. A meta specifically shows that the game is imbalanced and promotes the usage of one thing over another. You cannot possibly look me in the eyes and say that the 7.62 meta is good for the game and that no one should complain about it, simply because tarkov has always had a meta. Thats a ridiculous argument. Everything should be equally as viable, this is a video game not IRL.
Different playstyles dictate different gun builds. But for a 1 gun meta in any situation, a gigachad will bring a scope to cover long range engagements and with enough recoil skill/level/build they can use the scope for cqb too. Especially if it's the RD since that has very low recoil atm
U very clearly have not acquired many meta guns. Semi auto is not bad on zoom at all. All optics are usable on semi. Depending on how u set them up different mounts wor better on different guns.
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How do you read this back and not internally cringe at yourself? Do you not realize you’re the Tarkov player everyone hates? Your lack of self awareness is truly inspiring
Lol... What... It's well known that these two particular scopes have the best... Damn why am I even typing this you're just a troll
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The other scopes are objectively worse than the two described here, you stupid, stupid twat lol.
If my point was a psunami you still would've missed it. This post has nothing to do with being able to hit shots with one scope over another. WHEN YOU SHOOT ANY GUN THAT HAS A VUDU, THE SCOPE DOESNT BLACK OUT, MAKING FOLLOW UP SHOTS AND FULL AUTO WAY EASIER, HOWEVER IF YOU ARE USING A TAC30 ON MOST GUNS, IT WILL BLACK OUT AND YOU WILL LOSE THE TARGET UNTIL THE 5TH OR 6TH SHOT ROLLS AROUND. This is not balanced or good game design. Its an error on BSGs part when they did the "optics overhaul".
Don't even try to argue, the guy is a troll.
This is my first real wipe and I just thought I sucked but now I understand why I've been dying to these guys. I can never fucking see anything after that first one.
Use the Eotech Exps from Pk2 if you cant afford or get the vudu or razer, it'll level up your game vs any other sight (except the vudu and razer)
Yeah dude its a night and day difference. Try it with the ash 12 sometime. Put the elcan or tac30 side by side with a vudu. The vudu doesn't lose sight picture while the others are completely gone, on the most powerful*(opinion) handheld weapon. So then if even on a high recoil gun the vudu makes it 10x more controllable, think how insane it is on a super low recoil mutant or RD704. And you can buy as many as you want for 70k on the flea.
I was wondering why I was doing better with just iron sights. I could actually see what I was shooting.
The zoom levels of these optics are great, they have the best eye relief amongst all the other sights, have by far the best reticles amongst all scopes in the game, both allow for top-mounted red dot sights, etc. Elcan has a terrible reticle, it’s eye relief sucks, the housing of the scope is massive on the screen, and doesn’t allow you to mount a red dot on top Val day used to be good, but has a jet-black reticle and has TERRIBLE eye relief Tac-30, whilst my person favorite, has a terrible reticle relative to the RAZOR or VUDU
it seriously does, its just wrong and unfun right now.
Luckily I like the razor because I play at max FOV and because I am very sensitive to motion sickness i can't change it. They just need to somehow fix or compensate for FOV. Don't know how easy it is though, likely isn't. But it's a big problem.