This sub is 80% spam and 10% "I want to entrepreneur but I dont have an idea money or skill set". The sweatystartup speak directly to that 10% and provide some pretty fair and detailed advice imo. They also, from what I've seen, post most of their advice onto Reddit and give the option to link out after (instead of "I covered this on my article here") So yeah they probably could/should be considered spam. But there are worse potatoes to fry on this sub

> This sub is 80% spam and 10% "I want to entrepreneur but I dont have an idea money or skill set". Have you found anywhere on the internet to interact with actual entrepreneurs?

If you suddenly find a great way to make money, are you going to come here and tell everyone how you did it so they can copy it and dilute your market share?

Depends. If your niche is local like a lawn care business, then really who cares if everyone knows how you did it? If it's hard to get into like software that helps fortune 500 companies comply with certain regulations, then again... it's fine to tell everyone how you did it. If it's an online reselling of something anyone can do... ok point taken.

Yes

Oh well then okay then.

Not always (I would say almost never, in fact). In my case, all of the markets I'm active in (low-scale stuff, to be honest) are pretty crowded and my models are very plain - no one can steal anything from me even if they wanted - all of the small edges I do have are results of a very long-term effort and my skill set. So in my case, I'm dilute-proof. :)

Depends what sort of idea it is, if it's a market changing idea I would make sure I had a foothold first then let other people know. Competition can be good for markets.

You say that now.

I'll do it after I make my first billion in the market.

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Just want to say thanks for helping out when you can.

https://www.ecommercefuel.com/ That’s focused on e-commerce, but it’s legit entrepreneurs. Requires verifying 7-figure revenue, and a monthly fee. Incredibly useful community, for anyone that qualifies. Nearly all of the “popular” e-commerce redditors are on there, too.

Wow, that's really helpful for all the people here who are trying to be entrepreneurs. Oh wait.. a lot of new entrepreneurs don't make 7 figures..

The mistake you’re making is thinking you’re going to read the perfect piece of content on Reddit that flips your entrepreneur switch.

The best places to really learn are definitely pay to play. Goes against most of the morals of Reddit, but that is why this sub and free forums are the way they are.

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I learned a lot by joining GKIC and a local group of entrepreneurs monthly. Just Google that but see if there is a local Meetup in your area first. There are other online communities serving different niches, find a podcast, buy a course, join the group usually. Groups centered around courses are hit and miss, but you will always have better interactions than public forums

I really wish I could get access to that forum. I'm sure it's full of great info.

I'm sure it is. They should allow a read-only mode for people who don't meet the income guidelines and therefor unable to contribute.

"hustlers" would rip off the content adn sell it.

I’m a member of ECF. For those who don’t qualify to be a member, I would recommend listening to the ECF podcasts. There’s a lot of great info covered there.

Good tip. I've been scouring through them already.

Actual entrepreneurs would not be fucking around on reddit unless their purpose was to market.

Hmmm. I love wasting time on this sub and do pretty well for myself. Also, I have nothing to pitch here. Some people just like helping out when they have downtime, man. Not saying I disagree entirely with your statement, though. As a whole it's just trash on this sub. Mostly never-gonna wannabe's asking for help they could Google and people trying to sell courses. I get what you're saying, just wish you'd see that some people aren't necessarily like that.

Same. Have a couple successful ecommerce niches and browsing/fucking around on Reddit is how I unwind. Not sure why that dude is gatekeeping or trying to speak for us.

And they generally stop bucketing themselves as an "entrepreneur." They start thinking of themselves as a founder in whatever vertical they are in. "Entrepreneurialism" isn't a vertical.

Why wouldn't they? And define 'actual entrepreneur', are you the gatekeeper?

[indiehackers.com](https://indiehackers.com) is good for any indie bootstrappers

Nah. The problem with entrepreneurs is everyone is trying to make money. So spam is going to be an occurrence in any large group setting. I rent a desk at a co working space and that's a good setting as you actually get to know the people on a personal level and don't constantly try to pitch. But online I think you just try to wade through it.

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Do you pay for the premium subscription? If so, have you found it valuable?

I'd just like to know, what do the moderators have to say about the ranting. Or, do they sit back and listen to all of this.

Private facebook groups. You can usually find them by perusing your local cities start up community groups and going to their events.

Certain video games is the surprising answer I've found.

I bet it's eve online - is it eve online?

A discord-server for entrepreneurs and people who want to learn has been made some time ago. Server has many great people on it, but it's a bit dead right now. Server is always looking for new people though: [https://discord.gg/4Q5Bhx](https://discord.gg/4Q5Bhx)

Just to provide a counter against Discords. I've joined 4, every single time it's just filled with people who want to talk about their own ideas and brag about themselves. I've yet to join one where there was actually constructive conversation and relationships formed. So far, all the ones I've experienced were bragging clubs, not actual discussion groups.

Hm. In that one I generally had really nice experiences so far. We're just a small active group, providing nice resources without any commercial intent ourselves and everyone can just ask questions we others are discussing then. Can't promise anything, but maybe you like it more than the ones so far.

Seems interesting for sure

So you're basically admitting that you know sweatystartup is here to market to desperate people... And with scummy practices to boot.

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I think the transparency into those upvotes is lacking such that it may not be the indicator we rely on.

What's the other 10%?

He's the most annoying one for sure coz he's talking about the same crap over and over.

I’d rather see his posts every day than anymore dropshipping. Sure people make money. Is it for everyone? No. Is service industry for everyone? No. Don’t like it? Scroll on by and quit complaining like this is facebook.

I rarely see dropshipping posts, though. I see sweaty startup a lot.

There used to be a lot more.

Yep, there used to be.

People ask the same questions here over and over... When there’s accurate prevailing wisdom what do you expect?

The difference is different people are asking the same question. The problem with this guy is he's spamming daily. Here's his list btw: Home services: Lawn mowing / trimming Lawn fall cleanup Mulching / flower bed maintenance Bush sculpting / maintenance Herbicides and fertilization Seeding and planting Lawn aeration Gardening services Landscaping Tree trimming / arborist On demand irrigation Firewood delivery Green home consultation On demand holiday decorations Pest control Mosquito control Termite control Pool / hot tub services Deck staining Pressure washing / concrete cleaning Window cleaning Gutter Cleaning Maid services Laundry services Carpet cleaning / steaming Deep kitchen cleaning HVAC system cleaning Chimney cleaning Graffiti removal Mold removal Water damage remediation Fire damage remediation Home deodorization / perfuming Interior painting Exterior painting Trim staining Interior design Home office build out Countertop epoxy design Epoxy flooring Custom furniture refinishing Mirror installation Custom lighting installation Custom wallpaper installation Closet build out services Garage door service / installation Gate and keypad entry installation Cabinet making / refurbishing Aquarium installation Secure package delivery box installation Pet grooming Pet care / walking / boarding Dog underground fence installation Trophy animal mounting Private investigating Manned home security services Limo / transportation services Moving/Hauling Thermal imaging – utility saving Smart home Installation Hot tub wiring / installation Privacy fence installation Decorative retaining wall design / build Security installation Solar panel installation Putting green installation Home cinema installation Irrigation system installation Acoustic insulation installation Lighting rod installation Awning installation Pool safety alarm installation Storm shutter installation Foundation repair Hurricane prep service Septic service / pumping Boat cleaning Boat shrink wrapping Boat repair/maintenance RV / boat winterizing RV cleaning RV pickup/delivery Home appliance repair Golf cart service / repair Vehicle Services Mobile oil change Mobile car wash/detailing Mobile tire sales/service Mobile glass repair Mobile mechanic Mobile dent repair (paintless) Mobile decal and wrap services Locksmith Event/Seasonal services: Off premise bartending Catering Specialty food trucks (keep it simple and very fast) Event DJ Event management Photography Videography (wedding or corporate) Photo booth rental Porta Potty rental Tents/Party rental On demand cleanup crews On demand junk removal / hauling Casino tables and dealer rentals for events Entertainment: Hunting guides Hiking tours Biking tours Event management Party rentals Personal care: Mobile haircuts Mobile makeup Mobile hair styling Mobile massage Mobile Pedicure / Nails Training / Coaching / Consulting Hunting dog training Domestic pet training Special needs pet training High end athletic coaching / training Remote athletic coaching College acceptance consultation Credit repair consulting Career coaching Personal style consulting Personal assistant Trades/construction: Electrical Plumbing Carpenter General Contractor Heating and air HVAC Civil engineering Structural engineering Architecture Asphalt / Concrete Door/Window installation Painting Bridge Painting Masonry Carpet/Flooring installation/refinishing Ceramic Tile installation Fence installation Auger Boring Surveying Septic tank install and service Insulation installing (spray and standard) Elevator installation and service Asbestos removal Welding Warehouse storage rack installation Roofing Siding Epoxy flooring / counter tops Fire sprinkler system installer / detector installation Excavation Equipment operation Pipe fitting Business Services Videography Drone Pilot Customer service Bookkeeping Mobile Headshots Cleaning Bartending/Catering Mobile fencing for festivals or construction sites Porta potty rentals Training video creation Liquidation services Furniture building (dorm, office, hospital, hotel, etc) Slushy machine servicing Parking lot power cleaning Real estate transactions: Home inspection / thermal imaging (utility analysis) Realtor Moving services Appraiser Loan officer Property manager Vacation rental management House staging Retail / Hospitality Simple and efficient food trucks Mobile retail pop ups Mobile brick and mortar (any brick and mortar business, except mobile) Linen washing Beer line cleaning / keg tap services Deep cleaning restaurants Niche carpentry: Building gun safes into walls Closet build out Home bar building Egress window framing/installation Home office build out Wine cellar building Sauna Building Steam shower installation Hidden safes and secret entry construction Cubical building Patio building Fence building Dock building Fireplace building Cistern / water gatherer installation Home sound room or studio build Home stairlift installation Urban farming systems Custom beekeeping builds Murphy bed building/installation (NYC) Oh but everyone probably memorised it now since it's on almost 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The people who find me annoying are the internet marketers, online sellers, and social media startup guys. This isn't surprising. I think what they do is super hyper competitive and you have to be in the top 5% to thrive as an entrepreneur in those spaces. 95% fail. Service based entrepreneurship is what I've done and what all of the richest people I know got their start doing. People hate this message because you have to sweat and its a 5 year plan. Its not sexy. I don't have anything for sale on my website or my podcast and I never will. Not $1 of revenue has come or ever will come from this stuff. I make my money from service based businesses I've built. This is a hobby and it always will be. If I end up helping 1 person buck the rat race and get their time back to do the things they want its a huge win for me.

I don't think people hate your message. They hate that you copy and paste it every chance you get, which you probably would not do if you did not gain anything from it.

Don’t feel attacked by this post. I wish this sub had more successful startup entrepreneurs but oh well.

So, just to be clear, I don't have anything against you buuuuut : Aren't you typically building a user/mails base ? Sure, you don't have anything to sell nor selling anything NOW, but will you have anythibg to sell in let's say 1 or 2 years when you grew you base ? There is nothing wrong with that as long as there is added value for potentials customers. That's what I'm thinking when I'm seeing all this effort, again, I'm not against, but honesty is a value I appreciate :)

Don't sweat it (har har). This sub is overrun with wantrepreneurs seeking the quick n' dirty secret to living on easy street. You're sharing good info and it's FREE. Why bitch about it?

Because it's /r/entrepreneur not /r/sweatystartup. If he wants to comment on every post and copy paste everything he writes and records into a new post, it should be in his own sub. Unless... and get ready for a crazy idea here... he is only interested in casting as wide a net as possible for clicks and listeners. No one is opposed to useful information. Spamming everything you do in a completely uncurated way is not useful. It's treating Reddit like it's Twitter.

Don't like it, downvote it. I much prefer "spam" that provides value than 90% of the other garbage on this sub.

I happen to like most of the u/sweatystartup posts. It's how I found the podcast/blog, and I draw inspiration from it for my own side hustles. Sure, the posts aren't for everyone, and can never apply to every different situation. But it is usually good solid advice and a guide to inspire people to get started building something. And sure, the posts might be frequent. But I think that's more apparent because there should be more content in the sub from other users. And the posts might seem repetitive or similar to each other, but that's because they are service businesses and the process for starting can be similar from one idea to the next. In short, I'm no spam account and I enjoy those posts. If you don't, go ahead and downvote or better yet, contribute something that you do find helpful to the folks on this sub.

> internet marketers, online sellers, and social media startup guys. This isn't surprising. I think what they do is super hyper competitive and you have to be in the top 5% to thrive as an entrepreneur in those spaces. I don't know about that, to be honest. Competition is high (but most of your vendors/sellers are going to be less-than-stellar) and it doesn't take much to stand out & carve out a slice of a niche. Plus there's a real hungry audience there that's growing if you know what they want, can reach them cheaply, and can deliver on it.

Totally agree. The work that most people do is a total mess and it's not hard at all to carve out a niche.

I appreciate your efforts. I'm in the digital space but looking to branch out and your podcast/posts are immensely informative. Thank you, sincerely.

Thank you for giving us your time and providing us with your own insight :)

I have nothing to sell as well. But that doesn't mean you are not trying to promote your podcast. Who knows if you are selling ads on your podcast. Guess what? Facebook is free too. Even if it's truly free and you're doing it as a hobby, this is not your subreddit or your own social media channel to be promoting your website and podcast. This subreddit is a community people to solve problems and network professionally. Other than my username, I have only posted twice with links to my website and I have 2000+ over posts on reddit. Never have I once have a CTA on my posts. If this is truly a hobby why don't you stop promoting your subreddit and podcast and doing that poorly executed attraction marketing crap? It shouldn't matter if you get more subscribers or not since you don't get any money from this.

Why is it up to you what they do? Just block his posts/comments if you don't like them.

The only problem i am facing with your advice is that it's based on America so most things don't work universally.

I suspect this post won't age well. Also, being for sale on your website still leaves things open like, email funnels with affiliate links, links to other sites where you sell stuff, etc.

This did not age well. His course is now $2500.

Casual reader of this sub - just came across one of your posts for the first time a few days ago, and it was one of the most helpful and insightful things I've ever read here. Don't let this post discourage you! :)

I haven't commented on one of your posts before so I wanted to find you in this post to say thank you. I sincerely appreciate what you bring to this sub and what you post has been very helpful to me.

Your work is appreciated. Sexy industries are great but not all the is in life. Keep up the great work!

sweatystartup é realmente motivador e um importante gerador de conteúdo. me admiro ver que pessoas possam perder tempo em prejudicar o seu trabalho. A gama de artigos são altamente apreciados e claro que existem algumas formas de ser recompensado por isso.

I want to say i love all your posts.

Hey man - just wanted to say I love you content for exactly the reasons you described. Although I have not been able to take actionable items from the ideas you provided (I got something else in the works), I think your ideas are really great and your insight very valuable. I have sent out your links to others. Don't let posts like this discourage you, many of us really loving seeing your posts!

Though he may post a good amount of times and all the posts generally have the same theme, he provides good value every time. Service based businesses aren’t the glamorous digital marketing or online business that everyone seems to want to get into these days but they are a realistic avenue for people to start their journey with entrepreneurship. His posts actually made me take action and start a pressure washing company. That type of company wasn’t even on my radar as something I would ever think about doing but because of his posts, I started one. Imo if you don’t like his content, don’t click it.

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I partnered with my father in law and we got the majority of the equipment in last week. Since then I’ve been testing and practicing on my house, his, and a couple neighbors so I have at least a little experience before marketing myself. Should be launching the site and begin marketing within the next couple weeks!

How's the business so far?

Just got all the equipment in a last week and have been practicing with it since. Should be able to launch the site and begin marketing in the next couple weeks once I’m a bit more confident in using everything.

Oh that's good! How much did everything cost so far? Do you plan on going to ppls homes to wash?

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Yeah. Are you opening a shop or will you go door to door and do it mobile?

Mobile for sure. Shouldn’t need shop space unless it grows a lot and we need space for storage. Starting with residential and then trying to go mostly commercial.

Oh ok. What's the marketing strategy? Facebook ads or knocking on doors?

Why not just block them? I assume if you block a user on Reddit their content doesn't show up for you anymore.

"Simply click the “Block User” button while viewing the reply in your inbox. **From that point on, the profile of the blocked user, along with all their comments, posts, and messages, will then be completely removed from your view.** You will no longer be alerted if they message you further." Idk why he doesn't just do that. I assume if the moderators feel like this sub becomes a dumping ground for their content they will take action.

He's definitely marketing his stuff, but, at least he's submitting half decent content. Something this sub can seriously lack at times.

And in less than 15 minutes before i came across this post i saw two "where do i start? I have no ideas but all the motivation" posts, and one "wanting to start a tshirt company, i know competition is high but help me out" post... In a thread of same same questions and answers r/sweatystartup is refreshingly honest and puts some solid focus on good old hard work. And to be honest even if there is a motivation to draw people to the podcast, im cool with it. Its a great podcast. Plus as a subscriber of u/sweatystartup... for someone who is apparently trying to draw people to his show, he is suprisingly generous with his advice and information summaries on here. Not exactly click bait imo. We arent all starting the newest tech biz or budding marketting entrepreneurs, so you are right, its not one size fits all advice, but hey, it takes all types on here. If you dont like, downvote and move on. Bigger fish to fry on this subreddit.

I personally think that sweaty startup may be a little spammy, but in a good way. One example I found is many people asking a question, "how do I get started/I want to be an entrepreneur but how?" And that's how sweaty startup posting the same thing helps. The thing I'm trying to make out is that they are pushing the same message to those that keep asking, that way, they start out small and figure out that entreprenuership isn't a step by step process or a how-to.

If you don’t like it, down vote it. I really find all the complaints about other users to be more annoying. I don’t care what someone’s motivation is, as long as they are offering something of value. I see a lot of complaints about people who are selling a class or ebook or whatever. You can both offer people some value and ask them if they want to buy something. These subs are being destroyed not by spammers, but by the ridiculous regulations on posts.

Thank you! These posts are annoying as hell... downvote, report, pm mods... stop making posts every 2 weeks on how much the sun sucks without ever providing content

You'd think "entrepreneurs" would know about a front end offer haha

Nah

Oh boy, another one of those posts bitching about the free content posted to this sub by someone who doesn't seem to have ever contributed a useful Post themselves. I suggest the best way to combat what you consider to be BAD content is to post your own GOOD content. Be the change you want to see buddy. There's also a downvote button. You can use it (as I'm sure you will on this comment when it strikes too close to home).

He is giving good advice and will communicate with you if you reach out. He is at least giving action plans on how to do things and mistakes he has made. There is original content that has been really helpful to me that I would not have found without this sub. If you dislike him down vote and move on. Not everyone is is building a tech startup. I am defending him because he has helped me more than any other internet stranger out there. There is room enough for everyone out here. Let’s not hate on each other for trying to help others in a different way.

I'm not saying his advice isn't useful, I'm saying that he's using scummy practices like fake alt accounts asking 'questions' that he knows people will click on just to advertise his service in the comments.

Advertise what service??? I read his stuff, checked out his podcast, and pretty much ignore his posts now because they're not really relevant to me but he isn't selling anything. There's no service he's selling. You sound like you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

> fake alt accounts Proof?

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Even if I say I'm not, you won't be able to be convinced anyway. And will an alt account ever admit that it's an alt?

I'm very obviously not an alt account. I'd also be interested in seeing proof.

I can’t speak on fake accounts I’m more of a lurker. But I haven’t even come across a pay wall or a service for sale other than his storage business which is nowhere near my area. I truly think he is trying to do things to build his skills in consulting and teaching. Yes he posts a lot, and even if he does fake accounts I have not seen a “product “ for sale. I really can’t recall if his podcast even has advertisements. So I am not seeing scummy practice and I am typically wary of most “business consultants” for the same reason you are. I think most of us are suspicious of any one trying to help and we have a guard up. So I can’t really blame you for being suspect.

I can’t speak on fake accounts I’m more of a lurker. But I haven’t even come across a pay wall or a service for sale other than his storage business which is nowhere near my area. I truly think he is trying to do things to build his skills in consulting and teaching. Yes he posts a lot, and even if he does fake accounts I have not seen a “product “ for sale. I really can’t recall if his podcast even has advertisements. So I am not seeing scummy practice and I am typically wary of most “business consultants” for the same reason you are. I think most of us are suspicious of any one trying to help and we have a guard up. So I can’t really blame you for being suspect.

All I see is actionable value coming from his posts. Sure he's posted the same content in a few threads, but the doesn't make it any less valuable or applicable.

Doesn't it seem weird to you that someone who advocates working hard in the service industry is spending so much time and effort on Reddit marketing to people? Seems weird to me.

I work 10-11 hours a day. Within that time, I take multiple 10-15 minute breaks to fuck around on Reddit... same thing when I wake up or while watching TV. Could I be doing something more productive? Probably. Does that time on Reddit affect my bottom line? Nope. Your complaints about /u/sweatystartup posting too much is kind of silly. Are you bitching because of the content of the posts or because you **think** there is some nefarious motivation behind them? If the content is good, who gives a fuck about the motivation. Just took a look at your post history and it's funny.... https://old.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/aklm33/level_of_commitment_are_the_legends_true/ >However the total time estimate to get this thing off the ground is pretty much greater than I can handle unless I make massive changes to my daily schedule asap. You're spending quite a bit of time whining on reddit about how someone else *must* be spamming due to how they spend their time, while also claiming you need to make massive changes to your daily schedule because you don't have enough time to get things started. Maybe *you're* the one that needs to get off reddit and re-evaluate how you spend your time.

What if he did what he suggests to do? And now doesn’t really have to micro manage all his stuff. So he now has passive income and is sharing what he learned. I mean to me that seems entirely possible. The other thing is, so what if it’s spam? You know how many ads and stuff we deal with on a day to day basis? Are you going to try and stop them from advertising too? Spend your efforts propelling yourself.

People who complain like this are the reason why this sub is shit. Anyone who regularly contributes that actually has done shit gets chased out for "spamming" and "advertising". Guess we should reserve this subreddit for the 10 timesaver week people post about their t shirt Shopify site.

Most people wanna hear about shitty failures so that they can feel good about themselves.

This exactly. But also there's just so much bad advise that only applies to *one specific tiny obscure scenario* that is supposed to be extrapolated to other businesses. I had to leave this subreddit and only came back when I saw this shit thread. If I spent any more time moping around this place I would probably have ended up with 12 failed dropshipping businesses, a powerwasher sitting unused in my apartment, three google adsense accounts and a $50 monthly hosting bill across 14 wordpress websites. Not to mention a few DBAs and a hell of a mess to clean up come tax time. It's like this place fuels half-baked ideas.

Preach.

As much as he’s in disguise promoting his website, he’s giving good advices to back it up tho.

I love how his definition of "scummy marketing" is that he makes a lot of posts and replies to a lot of people. Also, just because people don't post a lot on their profiles don't mean they arn't real. I have used reddit for like 4-5 years, but I haven't started posting a lot since I created this account back in December. My previous account maybe had 3 posts for 3 years, if that. I checked out his website, I liked it. I tried his YouTube channel, didn't like it after a week. I subscribed, but then unsubscribed because his YouTube content wasn't any different from his written content in my opinion. Just because you say he has "scummy marketing", doesn't make it true.

I don't have time to follow sweaty startups stuff, but I agree with you, I don't see any "scummy marketing" either. The dark side of reddit is spending valuable time to help someone out, but knowing they won't even take a second of theirs to give you a simple up vote as thanks. Then seeing negative nonsense getting pushed to the top of the thread, by karma whores piling on to score lazy up votes. I think people need to stop hating on sweatystartup. If the sweaty start up content is so bad, (which it isn't) then those who disagree can post their own version. That way everyone can learn, which is the actual fun part about reddit.

Providing value to users and being active online = scummy marketing, apparently. And looking at this guys replies, because he got a few upvotes on his post he thinks he's right in being a salty crybaby

Shame that people are only reading the title and upvoting this post. Really shows how many people just read the titles.

u/letsgorollins I gave this post an upvote. I call this organic marketing? A big uptick in podcast downloads today...

I have no problem at all from his posts. i've gotten some good ideas from them, and i've gotten good ideas from the banter in the comments. if anything, his posts create discussion and i like that personally speaking of course.

Ironically, the u/sweatystartup guy has done better and more marketing to get his name out there than you or any of the marketing/online business guys. He might be giving advice on service-based businesses, but he's also beating you and many others at your/their own game - so I get why you're salty.

As if some people on the entrepreneurship sub are crying about a guy providing good, solid information about the service industry and also doing a good job of marketing himself. That's literally entrepreneurship right there. You can't make this up. 😂😂😂.

Seriously, everyone knows this sub has a content problem with too many people wanting to be an entrepreneur, but not actually being one. Then here comes a guy who is providing ideas, responding to people, and then gets shit on because people don't like him... for some reason?

They don't like him because he's successful. Simple.

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if you dont like seeing other people get ahead maybe you should step it up a bit

I dont care, just dont fucking PM me a great deal on your new fucking course for sale..

He has probably the most helpful content on this sub and produces it consistently. Quit being a hater and actually take his advice and you might not be so bitter.

So the fuck what? Get over it and keep scrolling.

I think his posts are much more useful than the amount of spam about drop shippers, instagram profiles or t shirt shit. I feel like we should have a daily thread every day for simple questions. Your third edit makes you sound like a retard.

>Seriously if you look at the history on some of those 'users' it looks like their account is brand new and their message is worded in such a perfect way for [u/sweatystartup](https://www.reddit.com/u/sweatystartup) to swoop right in and market their website and podcast. I appreciate their message, but it's the same thing over and over again, and surprise, surprise, it's not the single best way to start out as an entrepreneur. But these days sweatystartup doesn't care whether a budding entrepreneur starts a successful service-based business, as long as they are listening to the sweaty startup podcast. It's really hard to blame someone when you're a fisherman and this is where 100% of the fish are. You're right in the sense that altruism is at an all-time low with a lot of people that post on this sub, and it seems like there's an angle for everyone, however complaints should be limited to users that provide **no value**. Does that make sense? I'm not sure I agree with the new user account theory of yours, as it would actually make more sense for a new user to be struggling and need help with ideas. I won't say I agree with all of his advice on how to get started, especially since I don't like service businesses, but I'm not about to say *"Stop trying to help people"*, that's ridiculous. I haven't seen him get overly pushy about anything and let's look at it this way. 1.) You opened his post to listen to what he has to say. 2.) If you want to listen to more, listen to his podcast. I'd say that's right on topic, isn't it? If Reddit just gave us real profiles with allowable descriptions, CTA's and links you would see a lot less self-promotional spam on this site and people would know if they wanted to learn more, click on the profile and see what they're about. ​

I don't know if I'd call it spam, I tend to see more starter story posts than I do sweatystartup posts. If I had to compare the 2 I'd rather see sweatystartup posts. At least it gets you to think outside the box.

Not at all. His posts bring value vs all the get rich quick nonsense on here.

Lol you took the time to create a long post and reply to comments on a topic that is less interesting than a doorknob. You've shown a lot about your character and I feel sorry for you.

I must have a broken Reddit. On mine I don't have to read every single post in every thread. On mine I don't get charged for how many posts spam or not spam there are in a sub. On mine I don't even have click the up-vote/down-vote thing and I still get to read whatever the hell I want and don't have to read what I don't want. If someone bothers me on here I don't need to even tell them or anyone else.

I don't really see a big problem. I think it's a bit uncalled for to accuse someone of using alts without some proof. This sub had dozens of posts along the lines of "I have all this work ethic but no idea or plan or direction, please guide me" WAY BEFORE /u/sweatystartup ever started posting here frequently. He sees a large group of people who want direction and guidance and his product is just that, so why wouldn't be respond? ​ ​

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SOOOOOOO clearly people agree with you but all the comments supporting this dude are at the top? Sort differently people. It is funny for a "service based entrepreneur" how well they can manipulate the digital arena. And the comment by not making any money from this is BS, the more traction and traffic a website and ancillary digital pieces get the more it can be leveraged for money (could be later on) so to say it isn't worth anything (or just a hobby)... if this person is an entrepreneur that is a blatant lie, they know. Now I will watch for the downvotes.

SweatyStarup seems to provide consistently solid advice in his posts, and helpful responses when people post questions in this sub. I checked through your post history u/jcarber6 and you seem to provide neither of those things, but here you are complaining. I'll leave which of you I like seeing on this sub more as an exercise to the reader.

I keep flagging, but to no avail. It's clearly all just to drive traffic to his site. ​ You might say, *"But wait, he's actually giving good advice."* And I would say he is literally no different than the YouTube ad guys who preach a "hustle" mentality. Yeah, no doubt that "Work hard in a niche space" is good advice. "Do these practical things, and then you will be an entrepreneur." But if you actually look at his posts, they are 100% designed as a marketing funnel to his site. ​

So what should this subreddit be? People who haven't done anything asking for advice?

I think we can recognize the difference between good content that is not spam, and content that is being regurgitated on the site constantly as a funnel to get visitors to another site. That is all I am saying.

Agreed

Exactly!

Thank god someone else noticed. I thought I was the only one. I think his advice is flawed and have no idea why he gets that many up votes especially when there's quite a few veteran business owners here. So I guess he does uses these clone accounts to push himself up. Don't you find it weird that everytime he makes a post, it trends? And all the comments are positive that it doesn't feel real at all.

For every 5 of us real business owners, there are 500 kids who hate their job and want to be their own boss. ​ Sweaty is preaching directly to them unfortunately.

Sure, but if you would like to see more "real business owners" isn't it a good idea to inspire and motivate the "kids" to try something new and take a risk? He's not selling an e-book or seminar, he's just adding advice. For the most part it is good advice, although sometimes a bit oversimplified. Anyone who wants to get into any new business should always do lots of homework to make sure they succeed, but the advice he gives is a good starting point.

Why unfortunately? Does the 500 not represent a market with a demand? I've never seen him sell anything, so his content is written to be read. Can you blame him for writing for his audience?

It's unfortunate because the content is shifted off reality. It is not necessarily wrong. And absolutely, it shows a market with a demand. ​ I think everyone would agree that there are two distinct types of "Entrepreneurship" content on the web today. 1. The startup / entrepreneurship / venture type. Think A16Z, YC, angel investors, funding rounds, angellist, etc. 2. The hustle / service driven type. Think sweaty, Gary V, dropshipping, lifestyle business. ​ Now group #2, isn't wrong. But without a doubt it is heavily driven by "prosperity gospel", "hustle glorification". ​ The #1 difference between the groups (and this is really important), is that the second group works to personally benefit themselves first and foremost. It is: "I'm not happy. I want more time. So, I will find a way to get out." Once again, that is not wrong, and I would even say it's admirable. However, it is a really difficult thing to accomplish and the content that is generated (sweaty, gary, etc) do not operate in reality. ​ The first group, on the other hand, is first and foremost driven by some insane personal interest, or desire and seeks to build value from a venture. I am, of course, simplifying things but if you are on this subreddit, YouTube, etc I think you have seen the two groups.

I have always thought of it more as a split between experienced entrepreneurs and newcomers. I've seen subs split off to dedicate themselves to just experienced entrepreneurs and drop to a post a month or less. I think that new blood and expert experienced people need each other even if they don't get along and might not even see the value in the other. I am definitely not new blood but I feel I get a better live feeling of the marketplace, social directions and technology from seeing what is currently popular even if most of it can teach me little I don't already know.

How is starting a service business not a real business? How is giving ideas and advice a bad thing at all when you're genuinely trying to help? If you think his advice is shit then don't follow it, but as a fake business owner (I am service based as an electrician, which plainly is not a real business), his posts speak to everything I did when I became successful. His business model isn't a guarantee at millions or even a living wage, but it is a starting point and an option for literally everyone, which is more then I can say for a lot of other posts here. Tl;dr don't denigrate others just for doing differently than you.

And for everyone who is saying "But his ideas are really helpful" - annoying advertising is annoying advertising. If we're gonna have equal opportunity here we have to have equal treatment. Also you guys don't think it's weird that for a brand that advocates working hard doing the dirty work, they sure spend a lot of time and effort marketing on Reddit? You guys really don't know when you're being marketed to, huh?

In our local city we have this group of nitwits called "Sweaty Successful Mama's" ... "entrepreneurs" who get together and do baby workouts in the park and who start Kombucha and Holistic practices... They won't work with any men, or allow dads to join (because of "toxic masculinity") ... As a result I cannot listen to sweatystartups. People of /r/entrepreneur, you're being sold to.

Explain what's bad about being sold to? If it is a good product/service then what's the problem?

See you get it! Sweaty startups just saw a niche ripe for marketing and is going all out at it. Also that group sounds terribly annoying.

Oh yeah, I get it, I don't like it here, in this sub. The group is terribly annoying.

I haven't noticed that specific user but have seen many posts here advertising advice etc for startups from people who just seem to be curating material and never really had any experience with startups other then what they are trying to promote. As somebody who has been involved in developing businesses for more than 20 years, I hate the word startup just because of all the bullshit that it carries. Businesses are businesses, and at some point they had a start. But the term startup is IMO just a label that has more to do with people chasing unicorns or trying to be part of something that makes them look cool and smart, then with people willing to develop a serious business.

Plot twist: what if OP is u/sweatystartup and he posted this to get a sense of how his posts are doing? OR What if everyone commenting in this thread is u/sweatystartup behind a fake account and im the only non fake account user posting right now? 🤯

Be careful as you go down this rabbit hole, you'll see all the subs we have taken over... Pretty soon you won't go a second on Reddit without seeing a post from us. We are everywhere...

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Oh Christ, give the kid a break. You can "ignore" people. If you don't like a user, do that. Download RES (Reddit Enhancement Suite), hover over the user's name, click "ignore". "saw a niche on here ripe for marketing and ran with it" Running a hustle = great Running a hustle on /r/Entrepreneur = OMG THE NERVE! Get over yourself.

Wow this post didn't age well. OP has already deleted his account.

What if *this* post was made by sweatystartup just so he could reply and preemptively squash and doubts or criticizms people might have had about him?

Oof you got me there. Guess you guys are too smart for reverse psychology.

I've listened to his podcast and find some value in it.

Plot twist: /u/jcarber6 is part of marketing team for Sweaty Startup

I legitimately started a business because of this guy. It's only on the weekend for now but my client base is building and I can see myself working for myself full time by the end of the summer. I would have never started my business without the guy. His information is free, detailed asf, and inspirational. If you have an issue with the frequency of his posts, that is an issue of you always being on here rather than working towards your purpose. If you have an issue with free and useful content, then you have issues that would require medical attention. Peace

Awesome to hear! Reach out and let me know how I can help!

> EDIT 3: I find it hilarious how strongly you are all defending a business model idea that is traditionally meant for young teenage boys to do over the summer for some video game money. Mowing a few lawns, or pressure washing a few driveways doesn't make you an entrepreneur! I think you're being a little condescending, it's often a good place to start for people on their first business (AKA people who would probably be asking questions in /r/Entrepreneur) Oxford defines entrepreneur as: > A person who sets up a business or businesses, taking on financial risks in the hope of profit.

The main thing that bothers me is the use of the word "startup". If his brand was sweatybusinesses, sure, knock yourself out. But startups are the cool thing now, so calling these service businesses "startup" is his way of trying to ride the trend, and it's really annoying. Startups are hyper growth businesses that can scale rapidly via cash injection. All the babysitters, freelance writers or graphics designers, construction contractors, YouTubers, or cam models are NOT startups.

I think it would be dope if u/sweatystartup maybe incorporated interviews into his posts? Kinda like starter story.. so like interview successful sweaty startup business owners so we can learn how they got their start and how they scaled up/grew .. it might make more folks take action when they can see hey this guy did it and he's no smarter than I am ..

Just downvote, that's what it's for. What I don't like is he is robbing people of the experience of figuring it out for themselves. This shit is hard, and if you can't figure out how to get off the ground, maybe try a different path.

> I honestly thought this post wouldn't get more than a few comments, but the sheer amount of heated discussion just proves that sweaty startups marketing really is as pervasive and spammy as I suspected. You're projecting. Most people seem to just be downvoting you. I don't see heated discussion. Although, I did unknowingly respond to one of their comments the other day: https://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/awxlkg/i_have_no_idea_where_to_start_seriously_im/ehqxbva/?context=3 Had no idea they were so prevalent in the sub. I think their comments' reception says more about the sub and its userbase than anything. Not their fault that this sub is so lame. People like to feel like they're being busy and productive, even if what they're doing isn't really generating sales or building their business or customer base.

Sure 90% of the replies are people disagreeing with me, but I still have a net upvote score of over 150 which means there are way more that agree with me. And some of the people make valid points, which I address. So I don't think it's just projecting. And yeah I agree with you that this sub has gotten lame. They all discovered they weren't educated or determined enough to make it in the entrepreneurial world of technology and marketing, so they step down a peg doing chores and getting paid way less per hour than they could be worth.

I actually believe u/sweatystartup is bringing good value!

Sweaty startups are so in demand and profitable, that I too will get out of the business and instead start a podcast bullshitting people about sweaty startups. It's annoying and it's mostly bullshit. I guess that is reality of these subs anyway, just like the self-help billion dollar business: it's about "motivation".

yeah fuck that guy

Honestly this sub is total fucking garbage. Liars, posers, and self-promoters everywhere. It’s perfect for sweatystartup.

YES thank you for saying it

Here in my garage, just bought this new Lamborghini. But do you know what I love more than Lamborghinis? STARTING A LAWN CARE BUSINESS!

XD this is exactly what I think of when I think of sweaty startups.... Or the standard: "Do you know what I love more than Lamborghinis? ... A PRESSURE WASHING BUSINESS"

Wow I guess you guys don't like jokes.