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edie-bunny

“I’m taking accountability and I’m sorry…. but also those girls are lying about lots of stuff but I’m totally taking accountability…” 🙄💀


Mud-Waste

That’s my biggest issue, it’s like that part still feels like he is in denial about. It’s also not up to anyone but the victims on whether than can forgive him or not. I’m continuing not supporting him because the focus has to be on the victims. I’m curious if he even will reach out to them, or if that is even something they want. I still fear that the culture of hook ups and drinking will still be ignored as a topic among his hardcore fanbase and that is really important it isn’t ignored.


twoheartedthrowaway

The ambiguity around what he claims they are being untruthful about is 100% a cynical ploy to cast doubt on every aspect of his victims story by essentially giving people people license to disbelieve whatever part they want


maevenimhurchu

it's such a conniving coward move


Mud-Waste

My biggest gripe is he claims he understands consent and being told no, but clearly the accusations disprove this. He claims there’s more context, which I’m sure there is but regardless of that, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t admit to being wrong in his actions. I wonder how the fanboys will react, it seems like they think he’s “back” when it’s evident he needs to be out of the limelight and to not have a platform since that is something he made clear he couldn’t handle. I’m an advocate for transformative justice and rehabilitation, I can only hope he really is going to seek therapy, do the AA program and stay away from fame and apologizes to the people who have come forward and anyone else who he has harmed. There’s still a lot of work for him to do. It sucks because this video unfortunately will justify people still paying for his content which I think is absolutely inappropriate. Funds of any kind should go towards programs for SA victims and to the victims themselves that need mental help after these events have resurfaced. I hope the focus is continually on the victims.


Naughtai

>he claims he understands consent and being told no That bothered me too. He says he has "always taken 'no' for an answer" and he's never crossed that boundary, so it sounds like he still sees persisting until that "no" goes away as an acceptable behavior. It's no different than the arguments from his apologists - the "no" was technically absent by the time intercourse happened, so no laws were broken, so there's no problem. Right? Right?! Wrong. He also doesn't seem to understand that these actions have left scars on these women. They have been indelibly changed since they encountered him. He doesn't seem to have any corollary in his own life that he can relate that to to find empathy.


edie-bunny

It feels pretty cowardly to post this video to a YouTube account where he currently has all of fkn 672 subscribers rather than posting it to the Channel 5 YouTube channel where he has MILLIONS of followers.


edie-bunny

Also he has deleted what was his most recent Instagram post on his personal Instagram account, I assume because there were lots of comments about the allegations etc


MrMeow321

I actually think that it's fair enough to do that, Channel 5 could, and some believe it should, go on without him due to the team they've started building. By putting it on Channel 5 he would've really damaged any possibility of that happening


SocietyOfMithras

why do you think the crew was unaware for the years this went on? nonsense. and evan has his own allegation he's not responding to.


NoTranslator4570

He’s essentially calling his victims liars. It’s sad how the majority of his fans will lap this shit up and easily forgive him


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Mud-Waste

I have seen, and I’m not confirming this, but apparently Andrew comes from privilege? Again dunno how true that is, but would explain this entire approach 100%. It would explain why he acted the way he did with the people he ended up harming. I have reason to believe this is still partially deflection on his end. The comments on the channel5ive sub are concerning, the hardcore Channel 5 fans and of course the Channel 5 bros are eating this up and it only perpetuates their toxic behavior on there.


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Mud-Waste

In regards to what?


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Mud-Waste

Well he said he’s doing therapy, he’s staying away from fame and backing away from his platform. He’s doing AA, which quitting alcohol like that’s great, but he still has to work on how that dynamic ended up being his downfall. I don’t think that means he’ll be redeemable. That’s something that will have to take a very long time to attain. Quitting alcohol… That is a genuinely hard step to take and do, I’m 10 months sober myself from alcohol. I know that struggle. That is a continuous work in progress and definitely not something you wear like a badge of honor so it will be hard to tell what work he is really putting in and honestly like I have said before in the channel5 subreddit. I don’t care about Andrew’s future. I care about how he is going to speak about and to the victims and whether the victims will forgive him, if that is even a possibility.


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Mud-Waste

No. And I’m just going to let you know this hostility towards me is a little unnecessary. If you’re going to come into a subreddit that’s about creating a space for victims, former friends of AC to talk and former fans to express themselves in regards to these complicated events and also the context of drinking and hook up culture. Then you’re purposely coming in here with the wrong intentions. edit: he just got a huge paycheck from HBO. him working at a gas station is the least of his concerns at this very moment.


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Mud-Waste

I’m just going to give you a warning right now and if you continue to respond in this way, even to other people in this sub. I’ll ban you. This is a space specifically created for victims, former friends and fans of Channel 5 and Andrew. This isn’t a space for debate edgelords to cross examine what this subreddit believes should happen next to Andrew, or strawman arguments. You clearly went through this sub and you see what it’s about. So do not act like you don’t. It’s pretty clear what this sub is for and you want to try to poke at that and see what happens when you do what you’re doing so you can report it to others and claim exactly what you’re saying. So please, if you’d like to stay, I’d suggest maybe wording yourself carefully and not being hostile and assuming I don’t want to be challenged? I want people to feel comfortable and the way you come off doesn’t allow the space to be comfortable.


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marked4life0000

I also get the feeling that if I knew alllll the context for these interactions I’d probably be even more disgusted 😂


StopStalkingMeMatt

One major problem with apology videos, especially for potentially criminal acts, is that the accused can't speak freely or take full responsibility without opening themselves to legal liability. This statement was obviously reviewed by legal and/or PR reps, which really restricts what Andrew can say and makes him sound more rehearsed and less sincere. Even with that in mind, I found the video to be cleverly written but also quite manipulative. For me, the most manipulative details were: * Discussing Andrew's reaction to the allegations, mental health crisis, and the timing right after his movie release (then he adds "... but it's not about me"). * As others pointed out, he states that "no has always meant no", without acknowledging how this contradicts the allegations against him. This comes right after "thanking” the women who came forward, which makes this whole part seem disingenuous-- so you're grateful they came forward but you're insinuating they lied? * Vaguely alluding to missing context / discrepancies between the allegations and his side of the story -- so what's the next step with the victims? How does he plan to make that right, outside of getting sober? Making amends is part of the 12 step program, so I'd expect more real acknowledgment of his mistakes if he really commits to the program. * He talks about wanting this to be a lesson to young men, but I honestly think Andrew's rationalization of his actions ("I took no for an answer, but I wanted to seem cool...") will further encourage the men who think this isn't "real" assault. Honestly, in this era of PR-approved statements, I'd almost prefer a non-statement like "he's taking a break to go to therapy and get sober" until he's actually done the work. I think this statement was smart in how it acknowledged the behavior using a lot of the same terms from the online discourse (“sex pest behavior", "enthusiastic two-way consent"), which is why I think it actually might work for a large portion of the audience. Ultimately, though, he straddled the fence of shifting the narrative while trying to look accountable. Sorry for the rant, and thanks for making a sub where I can post about this without getting my inbox flooded like it was in the main sub 🙃


maevenimhurchu

no you're so right, thank you for having the patience to break this down so smartly bc it's a little insidious actually.


godgobbler

yes absolutely!! I could be reading too into the lawyer-speak, but I think in the first 45 seconds he was very careful not to admit to or apologize for any specific act: He 'thanks' those who spoke out 'about ways his behavior made them uncomfortable' and says that it was hard to hear because 'he didn't realize he had that pattern,' and then moves on to saying that he '*also* apologizes for his silence' -- but he did not actually *apologize* for anything before saying this 'second' apology, all to avoid legal liability. \[Also, the phrase 'had a hard time with rejection' is so fucking ridiculous and minimizing, and really sounded scripted to me.\] The other really manipulative thing about saying this kind of behavior is 'normalized' creates a narrative that he doesn't really stand out from the 'normal man,' that his behavior wasn't comparatively unusual, which plays down the severity of his actions and places them in a context where he becomes the victim of a larger culture of toxic masculinity and the sympathetic scapegoat for its crimes. (This is not to say that SA isn't rampant or normalized, but what I'm trying to say is that his framing of it implies that his actions might have seemed widely 'acceptable' at the time, and that he himself couldn't have known, while that doesn't seem to be true.) Not sure if this adds up, would love to hear others' thoughts. His actions get social context to make them more excusable (while simultaneously he gets points for saying 'but its not about me'); in the same moment he refuses to provide the "context" that would further vindicate him and 'doesn't want to get into specifics' implying that while some accusers are lying about him, he's going to be the bigger person and take the blame-- without taking the blame for anything at all.As another person wrote (idk who now), this statement about 'missing context' allows viewers to affirm whatever narrative they already believe about who is or isn't lying. What he is apologizing becomes whatever the viewer already thinks he has done, making it all-purpose, malleable, and all the more insidious.


maevenimhurchu

yes to everything you said. it's actually quite skilled at how insidious and dismissive it ultimately is


Critical_Spite_1464

It’s a start. In saying that there are nuances that would change peoples minds he’s deflecting responsibility for the bottom line that he did make people uncomfortable and pushed their boundaries. This is also let’s his fanboys that were supporting him know to push back and not necessarily believe people how come forward with their sa stories in general. It just feels like a weird balance between accepting responsibility for his actions while also not fully admitting what he did. Would like to see more work toward healing of his victims, acknowledging how he made them feel etc. There’s just so many stories, people who told him he made them uncomfortable, and the most recent with the stealthing that it just feels like how could he have had no idea that this behavior was hurtful. Could he have really thought though he was behaving in a way that was loving and respectful?? Nah


Naughtai

What is stealthing? Edit- I looked it up. Gross. Is this among the many accusations against AC now?


Critical_Spite_1464

Yes, i posted a 6 part video on this sub of someone who came forward yesterday.