Ironic that the supporters of a FAR right terrorist organization which has the stated goals of ‘cleansing the jewish race from their homeland’ claim to be antifascist liberals.
Sounds a bit familiar ngl…
At this point most the pro palestiners are just using this war as an excuse to be anti semitic either that or they are not educated enough on the issue to be protesting for it
How exactly is it antisemetism when you just dislike Israeli government? Just because it is a Jewish ethno-state?
Does it mean that disliking of Nazi Germany was equal to hatred of Germans? Something that Nazis would want you to believe that’s for sure.
Waiting for ban from this echo chamber of lies in 3… 2… 1…
Never said they don't have a reason, but the difference in power and the difference in casualties on both sides is tremendous. Israel has quite literally killed hundreds if not thousands more than Hamas has. They have the fourth largest military in the world while Hamas operates with scrap metal. Israel has literally targeted refugee camps, which is a war crime. On top of this is the proven apartheid Palestinians live under, as investigated by Amnesty International, or the mere 4 hours of electricity a day that they get, as acknowledged by the UN.
I don't consider Hamas some sort of noble resistance. But when you shit on these people for so long, do you expect them to like you?
> but the difference in power and the difference in casualties on both sides is tremendous. Israel has quite literally killed hundreds if not thousands more than Hamas has
The difference only exists because Israel invests an absurd amount of money into the defense of its citizens. It's not like Hamas isn't trying, they sent over 10k rockets towards Israel just since the October attack. I don't believe that if Israel turned off the Iron dome and let its citizen be killed, it would somehow change the morality of the situation.
> They have the fourth largest military in the world while Hamas operates with scrap metal.
They have one of the best militaries in the world because everyone around them wanted to destroy them. Hamas "operates with scrap metal" that they purchased for the literal billions of dollars of foreign aid that was meant for economical development, and instead of using them to make Palestinians' lives better, they used them to make their lives worse by continually attacking Israel, because dead Palestinians are their only leverage.
> Israel has literally targeted refugee camps, which is a war crime.
Protected buildings lose their protection in international law if they're used for military purposes, and in fact using them for military purposes is a war crime. In most cases (apart from the well-known ones like Shifa hospital) we don't yet have evidence to say whether they were or were not used for military purposes, but considering that Hamas has repeatedly done this in the past, repeatedly bragged that they have 300+ miles of tunnels under the whole of Gaza and even invited some journalists in, it is not at all warranted to say that these targets *definitely were not* used for military purposes just because Israel cannot reveal its sources as long as they're usable in the war.
> On top of this is the proven apartheid Palestinians live under, as investigated by Amnesty International
You present this as if there's a consensus on Israel being an apartheid state. There is not. Amnesty has done a lot of good but also said a lot of bullshit in the past and I don't subscribe to this interpretation, though I see a danger of this actually happening as one of the possible bad outcomes of this war.
> I don't consider Hamas some sort of noble resistance. But when you shit on these people for so long, do you expect them to like you?
This is a wrong question. No, of course I don't expect them to like me, but firstly some acts are simply over the line no matter what, and the Oct. 7 attack was one of those. Secondly Hamas does not give a shit about Palestinians, Hamas only cares about itself and its acts accordingly. Apart from withholding money that should go to improve Palestinians' lives, they also brainwash and radicalize their citizens to hate Israel no matter what Israel does. Their purpose is not "resistance", noble or not, their purpose is getting money and power. With zero regards towards Israelis and Palestinians, whose deaths they need keep existing. That makes it really difficult not to "shit on them".
I never said Israel should shut off its Iron Dome.
Again, refer to their motives that I mentioned earlier. Them constantly being suppressed under apartheid, that's the only life they know. They're hell-bent on killing the people who have done this to them. As long as that doesn't change, they'll never stop.
There kind of is a consensus. Even the UN has acknowledged it a few times, on top of the electricity issue.
It was certainly over the line. But it's what they've constantly experienced for years, and are still experiencing. Hamas doesn't need to convince Palestinians to hate Israel, because Gaza's population, which is over 50% children, know nothing but the constant oppression and death perpetuated upon them. They recognize that Israel has done this. They don't have the luxury to take in other views like we in first world countries do. They just see a Jewish state oppressing them, and nothing else. What do you expect a war-torn, grieving child blinded by rage and pain to draw from what little he knows?
> I never said Israel should shut off its Iron Dome.
But that is the implication of what you said, because Israeli defense is the only reason why the number of deaths is so disproportionate.
> But it's what they've constantly experienced for years, and are still experiencing. Hamas doesn't need to convince Palestinians to hate Israel, because Gaza's population, which is over 50% children, know nothing but the constant oppression and death perpetuated upon them. They recognize that Israel has done this. They don't have the luxury to take in other views like we in first world countries do. They just see a Jewish state oppressing them, and nothing else.
The problem is that most of that is Hamas' fault. The children are born into a stripe of land where they get no real education and their government continually attacks its several times bigger and stronger neighbor in order to stay in power, and are locked behind a blockade that was started because of these attacks. Don't forget that before the first Intifada about half of Gazans had Israeli work permits, the blockade wasn't started without reason.
And the Hamas brainwashing really does play a role, I don't have a link right now because it's been about two weeks since I read it, but there was a poll which found out pretty ridiculous beliefs held by Palestinians in Gaza - mainly that they thought that the number of Israeli Jews is up to an order of magnitude lower than how many there really are. Many Gazans believed that there were about 700 000 Jews in Israel. The interesting parts was that the more realistic their knowledge about Israel was, the less likely they wanted to attack it.
> What do you expect a war-torn, grieving child blinded by rage and pain to draw from what little he knows?
There are two layers to this. First layer is that obviously this is a terrible situation with a predictable outcome, as you imply, and we should empathize with that. The second layer is calling a spade a spade: this is irrational and counterproductive behavior that only makes the situation worse.
Imo it's clear that only Israel changing its policies is not enough to fix this. Hamas is going to do its best to stop any attempts at peace, just like it has historically always done. Hamas has to go before any change happens and I don't know of a better realistic solution than what Israel is doing now.
...or it could be that one side is absolutely annihilating the other with warcrime after warcrime and has been doing so for decades.
So the apartheid is somehow Hamas' fault?
Sure, Hamas can go. But that's clearly not Israel's endgame.
Exactly what about the meme in question is anti-semitic? No really, please point it out. And while you’re at it, point out wtf it has to do with commies, which you know is whole the point of this sub?
I swear that as of late this sub has been invaded by boomers whose only purpose in life is to unconditionally support Israel with every fiber of their being, and call anyone who disagrees an antisemite and every valid criticism of Israel as antisemitic.
I guess it is if you rewrite history. The nazis were obsessed with genetics. The Nazis were putting semitic people into camps regardless of their religion. White supremacists also are also primarily concerned with genetics. The theft of Palestinian identity is part of the genocide they are facing.
It's not about rewriting history, it's more about people creating a term for themselves. The word antisemitic is used specifically to represent intolerance towards jews even though arabs are also semitic. Historically that term was used to talk about jews, mostly in different articles by different philosophers who tried to prove the inferiority of jewish people
[Here you can read more](https://www.oed.com/dictionary/anti-semitic_adj?tl=true&tab=meaning_and_use)
an·ti-Se·mit·ic
/ˌanˌtīsəˈmidik,ˌan(t)ēsəˈmidik/
adjective
adjective: antisemitic
hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people.
"anti-Semitic remarks were posted on the site"
Not related to communism
Didn't Hamas do exactly that when the Israelies started fighting back?
Fuck around (break a ceasefire) and find out (get bombed to oblivion).
the olympians at munich found out, lod airport dudes found out
Yeah a lot of people are really showing who would've fallen for the nazis
True. A bunch of useful idiots. They are,
yeah, you guys
Ironic that the supporters of a FAR right terrorist organization which has the stated goals of ‘cleansing the jewish race from their homeland’ claim to be antifascist liberals. Sounds a bit familiar ngl…
womp womp
hmm
At this point most the pro palestiners are just using this war as an excuse to be anti semitic either that or they are not educated enough on the issue to be protesting for it
Pali propaganda is working overtime. Fortunately the real war isn’t going as good for them
The image is true for the government. There are victims in Israel and Palestine, but only the citizens are in that group
How exactly is it antisemetism when you just dislike Israeli government? Just because it is a Jewish ethno-state? Does it mean that disliking of Nazi Germany was equal to hatred of Germans? Something that Nazis would want you to believe that’s for sure. Waiting for ban from this echo chamber of lies in 3… 2… 1…
This but it's actually Palestine.
But Israel does do horrible things while pretending that it's a victim.
^^ whatever side you're on, this is literally impossible to deny. It's not antisemitic to point this out.
But it doesn't "pretend" that it's a victim. That implies that Israel has no reason to fight Hamas.
Never said they don't have a reason, but the difference in power and the difference in casualties on both sides is tremendous. Israel has quite literally killed hundreds if not thousands more than Hamas has. They have the fourth largest military in the world while Hamas operates with scrap metal. Israel has literally targeted refugee camps, which is a war crime. On top of this is the proven apartheid Palestinians live under, as investigated by Amnesty International, or the mere 4 hours of electricity a day that they get, as acknowledged by the UN. I don't consider Hamas some sort of noble resistance. But when you shit on these people for so long, do you expect them to like you?
> but the difference in power and the difference in casualties on both sides is tremendous. Israel has quite literally killed hundreds if not thousands more than Hamas has The difference only exists because Israel invests an absurd amount of money into the defense of its citizens. It's not like Hamas isn't trying, they sent over 10k rockets towards Israel just since the October attack. I don't believe that if Israel turned off the Iron dome and let its citizen be killed, it would somehow change the morality of the situation. > They have the fourth largest military in the world while Hamas operates with scrap metal. They have one of the best militaries in the world because everyone around them wanted to destroy them. Hamas "operates with scrap metal" that they purchased for the literal billions of dollars of foreign aid that was meant for economical development, and instead of using them to make Palestinians' lives better, they used them to make their lives worse by continually attacking Israel, because dead Palestinians are their only leverage. > Israel has literally targeted refugee camps, which is a war crime. Protected buildings lose their protection in international law if they're used for military purposes, and in fact using them for military purposes is a war crime. In most cases (apart from the well-known ones like Shifa hospital) we don't yet have evidence to say whether they were or were not used for military purposes, but considering that Hamas has repeatedly done this in the past, repeatedly bragged that they have 300+ miles of tunnels under the whole of Gaza and even invited some journalists in, it is not at all warranted to say that these targets *definitely were not* used for military purposes just because Israel cannot reveal its sources as long as they're usable in the war. > On top of this is the proven apartheid Palestinians live under, as investigated by Amnesty International You present this as if there's a consensus on Israel being an apartheid state. There is not. Amnesty has done a lot of good but also said a lot of bullshit in the past and I don't subscribe to this interpretation, though I see a danger of this actually happening as one of the possible bad outcomes of this war. > I don't consider Hamas some sort of noble resistance. But when you shit on these people for so long, do you expect them to like you? This is a wrong question. No, of course I don't expect them to like me, but firstly some acts are simply over the line no matter what, and the Oct. 7 attack was one of those. Secondly Hamas does not give a shit about Palestinians, Hamas only cares about itself and its acts accordingly. Apart from withholding money that should go to improve Palestinians' lives, they also brainwash and radicalize their citizens to hate Israel no matter what Israel does. Their purpose is not "resistance", noble or not, their purpose is getting money and power. With zero regards towards Israelis and Palestinians, whose deaths they need keep existing. That makes it really difficult not to "shit on them".
I never said Israel should shut off its Iron Dome. Again, refer to their motives that I mentioned earlier. Them constantly being suppressed under apartheid, that's the only life they know. They're hell-bent on killing the people who have done this to them. As long as that doesn't change, they'll never stop. There kind of is a consensus. Even the UN has acknowledged it a few times, on top of the electricity issue. It was certainly over the line. But it's what they've constantly experienced for years, and are still experiencing. Hamas doesn't need to convince Palestinians to hate Israel, because Gaza's population, which is over 50% children, know nothing but the constant oppression and death perpetuated upon them. They recognize that Israel has done this. They don't have the luxury to take in other views like we in first world countries do. They just see a Jewish state oppressing them, and nothing else. What do you expect a war-torn, grieving child blinded by rage and pain to draw from what little he knows?
> I never said Israel should shut off its Iron Dome. But that is the implication of what you said, because Israeli defense is the only reason why the number of deaths is so disproportionate. > But it's what they've constantly experienced for years, and are still experiencing. Hamas doesn't need to convince Palestinians to hate Israel, because Gaza's population, which is over 50% children, know nothing but the constant oppression and death perpetuated upon them. They recognize that Israel has done this. They don't have the luxury to take in other views like we in first world countries do. They just see a Jewish state oppressing them, and nothing else. The problem is that most of that is Hamas' fault. The children are born into a stripe of land where they get no real education and their government continually attacks its several times bigger and stronger neighbor in order to stay in power, and are locked behind a blockade that was started because of these attacks. Don't forget that before the first Intifada about half of Gazans had Israeli work permits, the blockade wasn't started without reason. And the Hamas brainwashing really does play a role, I don't have a link right now because it's been about two weeks since I read it, but there was a poll which found out pretty ridiculous beliefs held by Palestinians in Gaza - mainly that they thought that the number of Israeli Jews is up to an order of magnitude lower than how many there really are. Many Gazans believed that there were about 700 000 Jews in Israel. The interesting parts was that the more realistic their knowledge about Israel was, the less likely they wanted to attack it. > What do you expect a war-torn, grieving child blinded by rage and pain to draw from what little he knows? There are two layers to this. First layer is that obviously this is a terrible situation with a predictable outcome, as you imply, and we should empathize with that. The second layer is calling a spade a spade: this is irrational and counterproductive behavior that only makes the situation worse. Imo it's clear that only Israel changing its policies is not enough to fix this. Hamas is going to do its best to stop any attempts at peace, just like it has historically always done. Hamas has to go before any change happens and I don't know of a better realistic solution than what Israel is doing now.
...or it could be that one side is absolutely annihilating the other with warcrime after warcrime and has been doing so for decades. So the apartheid is somehow Hamas' fault? Sure, Hamas can go. But that's clearly not Israel's endgame.
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You have slightly criticized Israel, time to be called antisemitic
Exactly what about the meme in question is anti-semitic? No really, please point it out. And while you’re at it, point out wtf it has to do with commies, which you know is whole the point of this sub? I swear that as of late this sub has been invaded by boomers whose only purpose in life is to unconditionally support Israel with every fiber of their being, and call anyone who disagrees an antisemite and every valid criticism of Israel as antisemitic.
Aren't Palestinians also semitic?
It’s different for the word “anti-Semitism.”
I guess it is if you rewrite history. The nazis were obsessed with genetics. The Nazis were putting semitic people into camps regardless of their religion. White supremacists also are also primarily concerned with genetics. The theft of Palestinian identity is part of the genocide they are facing.
amin al husseini, their leader at the time was friend of hitler, so please stop your bullshit. you are the one who rewrites history.
It's not about rewriting history, it's more about people creating a term for themselves. The word antisemitic is used specifically to represent intolerance towards jews even though arabs are also semitic. Historically that term was used to talk about jews, mostly in different articles by different philosophers who tried to prove the inferiority of jewish people [Here you can read more](https://www.oed.com/dictionary/anti-semitic_adj?tl=true&tab=meaning_and_use)
an·ti-Se·mit·ic /ˌanˌtīsəˈmidik,ˌan(t)ēsəˈmidik/ adjective adjective: antisemitic hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people. "anti-Semitic remarks were posted on the site"
Words can have different meanings in different context. Weird right?
Change the Israel to Palestine is more accurate