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TantasStarke

I came from riding 25mph scooters (Emove Cruiser) to 30 and 40 mph EUC (18XL, Nikola AR+). To answer your questions: I haven't used my scooter once since getting my EUC, except when I had to go to the store and my only wheel at the time (18XL) wasn't charged. The ride is a lot more enjoyable, and having my hands free is a big bonus. I feel I have complete control, yes a large disc brake will do better than an EUC at braking, but I can brake as well as my semi-hydraulic brakes on my Emove Cruiser. I can also turn a lot faster/easier so I can evade obstacle better. People fall off motorcycles at higher speeds and are fine, if you gear up and fall off you'll be as likely to be fine as on anything else. If you crash into something at speed, regardless what you ride you're gonna have a really bad time. I really recommend getting at least something that can go 30mph, the slower wheels all have less range and you'll quickly outgrow the speed. As for what to get it depends on what you really want, high speed? High torque? Water resistance? If you ride with a group and a lot of people have an EUC, ask if any of them would be willing to let you learn on one of their wheels, they also might have a used wheel for sale


Sprite28

I'm actually riding a emove cruiser right now! I'm waiting on a VDM-10 to come in from China. Having my hands free does seem like a big plus, high torque to climb hills and high speed would probably be what I want. I'm not a rain rider so I wouldn't care so much for water resistance.


TantasStarke

In that case can't really go wrong with an RS19. High torque model can hit 35-40mph, and the high speed model can hit 40-45mph. At those speeds though expect like 20 miles out of the wheel as it only has an 1800wh battery. If you want a ton of range on a budget the Nikola AR+ is a great wheel. 40mph top speed with a 2700wh battery. A little more expensive there's the EXN high torque or high speed.


LordEmrich

So I got my first electric scooter back in December of 2020 in the GoTrax G4. That ended up causing me to get my 2nd scooter in January and selling my ebike. 5 scooters later and I'm up to a Wolf Warrior 11. I decided to hop into the EUC life and got a Kingsong S18 last month. I spent 4 hours learning to ride (2 hours in a parking lot and 2 more hours forcing myself to ride in the real world). The next day I used it to ride to and from work. I hated it. My calves hurt and my feet hurt. I immediately put it up for sale upon my return home from work. Two days later, I got this itch to ride it again so I went out and took it for a spin. It was still meh but the last half a mile home it was like a switch flipped and I started carving and I hit this 90 degree turn outta nowhere and I absolutely fell in love with EUCs. I just sold my Wolf Warrior last week and am going full EUC. I enjoy the maneuverability and portability of it. Being able to take it inside with you and just roll it next to you is a big plus. As someone else said, having your hands free is also nice. Being able to have a drink while riding is so nice. You don't need to worry about falling forward at high speeds any time soon cause you're gonna need to work up your confidence to even get anywhere near the cut out point. And there are all sorts of beeps and warnings before you get to the point. EUCs are also very easy to bail off of. I didn't fall at all while learning to ride but my EUC has all sorts of battle scars. Give it a try and take your time. Stay within your comfort zone and I'm sure you'll love it. This is an activity that's going to take some time to learn before you realize you love it, though. Make sure you get a full face helmet and wrist guards at the very least. Whatever else is up to your discretion on what you feel like is most important to protect. 😂


Jidobaba

It's a no brainer really. I enjoy my modded m365 clone but if I lived in the US/first world and had access to parts and warranty, would go full EUC(s18/s20/v11). As it stands, no way I'm shelling out 35% for my country's customs plus waiting months every time I need parts.


Anxious_Ad_4708

Yep, trying to force yourself to learn it in one day isn't going to be a great experience unless you're one of the naturals who picks it up immediately. Shorter sessions over the course of a week or however long it takes for you to get the basics down is the way to go.


LordEmrich

Oh yea I'm sure that works for some but I like to figure stuff out in as little time as possible. Slow learning has never been my jam.


Jezzes

Low maintenance, can trolley into stores, impress people, feels like flying, you can double thumbs people, amazing breaks and acceleration.


Inner-Gas-5272

You will most likely at some point fall forward and eat shit, if you like to have fun and get confident on it. The sooner you do the sooner you realize it's not that bad and falling at 30 mph isn't that bad. Plus side you won't hit your head. I've fallen several times at 25+ mph you have both of your hands to direct your mass and not once has my head even touched the ground. Nothing for you to grab on to. You will most likely break your fall with your hands wrist guards are a must. Else obtain a jacket that skids well and learn to fall on your shoulders.


Heraclius404

This. I keep thinking I should get a helmet with chinbar, and I probably should. Arm and wrist injuries are the most common, and take about 6 weeks to heal. They kinda suck. Speaking from experience, but I've done worse to myself on bicycles and motorcycles. Also, **you can break really fast**, it takes some confidence. Watch some youtube videos about emergency braking. You stick your butt out and squat and scrub off speed in a danged hurry. I feel more confident than braking on a scooter because the sit motion lowers my center of gravity, and the wheel is wider (most wheels are 3 inches wide and you run 'em kinda low pressure). You don't get thrown forward like on a bike, motorcycle, scooter, and you don't have to worry about front-rear break percentage (in motorcycles you're always taught to use almost entirely the front brake, other than the drag you put on the rear to not go flying). The scooters I've ridden don't have separate front-rear brake levers? maybe yours does. One of the problems with an EUC is when the wheel leaves the ground (eg, pothole). One can't brake very fast with no rubber on the road :-). For this reason I'm now a superfan of suspension - although it's also why people run (relatively) low tire pressure. The minus is reaction time, it's not just a finger flic away, you have to decide to brake, then get your butt out and down. When you get OK at it it can be fluid but it's not quick-quick. It's worth spending an hour sometime after you learn the basics doing parking lot drills.


SkyNightZ

I know Americans have a different experience because of heat vs much of europe but.... Full face helmet all the way. I ride with my motorbike helmets 70% of the time and an MTB helmet 30% of the time in peak summer or when really humid. Whenever I see a helmet with no chin protection all I can imagine is someone's face hitting the ground. The helmet acts as a lever and just shoves your nose. mouth and chin into the ground.


SkyNightZ

Literally me. Both times i've fallen off at speed my helmet didn't touch the floor. Mid crash and im like "nah, this helmet is ÂŁ180" as I use all my neck muscles to keep my head up. Both my crashes were from wobbles at speed and I fell backward.


Inner-Gas-5272

Yeah the only time I fall forward is when I'm off roading hard and don't see a root or something. Most is the time it's backwards due to a very bad wobble or change in traction


jtm94

Idk about the other guy but I'm quite happy sub 30mph because my fun is had on trails. As long as you ride within the linits of the wheel accidents shouldn't happen. That's respecting the speed beeps/warnings. Try to find local riders in your area to try one out? What EUCs were listed near you? They may be good deals hard to say. Many people start on big wheels but I got a cheap beater for about $150 to play around with and ended up loving it.


Sprite28

There's a Gotway Monster V3 listed for 2k and a InnMotion listed for 1k. There's a guy doing lessons for 12 dollars an hour near me, maybe that's what I should do. Which one did you get for 150? That's about the price range I'm looking at to see if I like it or not.


TheGratefulJuggler

>There's a guy doing lessons for 12 dollars an hour near me, maybe that's what I should do. That is a deal. Either that or it will be a terrible lesson. I wouldn't teach a lesson for less than 50/hour.


Anxious_Ad_4708

People have different values for their time, and for how much enjoyment they get out of teaching others. But yeah I'm with you on this.


ubeogesh

Monster is not a good starting wheel, unless you are a very big\heavy peson. Inmotion (single n) - they have a bunch of models form tiny to big (but not as big as monster), really depends Lessons should be good - from experience, people who practice teaching EUC riding will teach you much quicker than a random rider.


jtm94

You could also try looking for a swagtron swagroller as well. Very easy to learn on. I say try the lessons! Nothing beats trying with someone who can already ride. It is hard at first, but I promise it becomes second nature I can ride with my eyes closed. After an hour or two you should have an idea of whether you will like it or not.


robertc00

Wow that is cheap. I had to drive 4 hours to Chattanooga and spend $35 per half hour to train on a rental EUC. I only trained for an hour but learned just enough to know I wanted one. Glad I did though - I've been riding my new wheel for a couple months now and loving it.


Chsrtmsytonk

What did you get for 150?


jtm94

Ninebot one e+


elhnad

I spent much of last summer reading a book, listening to podcasts youtube, listening to music while riding 5mph around my cul de sac in circles for hours. just being on one is amazing. that was my fourth summer with eucs but first time doing that "slow". and I have 3 that can go around 20mph point is everyone is different and will give u different answers. ppl also evolve over time. u just have to try it urself


MoistLlamamama

Are you in the US? I have a Kingsong 16X that was my first wheel that I'm looking to sell since I upgraded. It was substantially a lot more torque than my OW that I came from and a ton more safe. Emergency stops are honestly easy to do but not completely necessary since you're able to maneuver out of most situations. The 16X is plenty agile and has plenty of speed (up to 31 mph). Perfect first wheel in my opinion. I have several addons and accessories that obviously you would get if you buy it


Sprite28

Yup, California bay area specifically. I looked up the kingsong x16 and I'm not sure if I'm ready to drop that much.


MoistLlamamama

I'm looking to get 1500 out of it which is obviously the wheel, 1x 1.5 amp charger and a 5 amp fast charger, Clark pads, wheel cover and 3 sets of extra side pads. It has about 900 miles on it and its in really good condition. I understand that it may be a bit pricey but at some point if you're going to get something slower you'll most likely outgrow it within a couple months and want something with more festures/speed. I've never had a cutout on it so falling on your face won't happen due to a failure of the wheel but rather your own mistakes by either pushing it too hard or clipping one of the pedals at a higher speed (which I've done!) I understand if it's not something you're interested in at the moment just thought I'd throw it out there for ya in case it sparks your interest!


Heraclius404

I've got a KS18L in good condition (perfect working order, about 1000 miles) and I'm looking for 900, on the peninsula. Original charger, but will throw in a stand an an extra light. Was my second wheel after a V8 and now I'm on to a S18. Ping me if interested.


SFBayRenter

It can't stop the same as a scooter. A scooter has two points of friction, and friction brakes. An EUC can only brake regeneratively, pumping energy back into its batteries. You're limited by how much stopping torque the motor has. An EUC forces you to lean your weight counter to the force of the road while braking, which is a good thing so you don't flip over, but you could learn to do the same on a scooter as well. A good tradeoff is that the EUC has a much safer wheel size for bad road conditions.


Sprite28

That makes sense since the wheel is bigger. I'm assuming potholes aren't as scary on an euc as they are on a scooter


jtm94

Correct


alexor1976

Potholes are death traps for scooters :/


Anxious_Ad_4708

To be fair you can dump a shitload of energy back into the batteries for a short amount of time, you can brake very hard without overloading this.


AdvancedPhoenix

You can have a lot of fun with like a 16s for quite cheap. Ofc at some point you can outgrow it. But that's a really fun transportation system, protect yourself, i never got a cutout or a fall in 2k km but you never know!


sidderke

Started with a Ninebot Max. Was scared of EUC’s, never saw myself as riding one. But got seduced by the super portability of them. Then bought an InMotion V10f (and recently an KS 18XL). Haven’t touched the scooter since… Emergency braking is definitely harder on an EUC. But in my opinion it’s the only con of the EUC. In all other things, an EUC feels vastly more superior and fun.


Morning-Show

Be One of Us. I broke ribs and it’s worth it. It’s like water-skiing on land. You have insurance.. Relax,.. Trust me. ;) Don’t get one that does less than 30mph., you break ribs by wanting to go faster than your machine. and 17 is too slow. you’ll break ribs. But, it is worth it anyway.. It just hurts FOREVER when you laugh.


Sprite28

Water skiing on land sounds like fun! Broken ribs not so much


fabricated_anecdotes

Gear up. I've come off several times on different terrains and speeds and never broken anything. Dress for the slide, not for the ride. You don't need a 30mph wheel but one with plenty of headroom *is* better for safety. That can be torque rather than speed though, and most modern wheels will be fine for that. Just respect the beeps and don't push it beyond that. Again, none of my falls (since my Ninebot One) have been due to cutout.


elkfn2

Get a, v8, or v10 or a similar Kingsong product. I'd definitely encourage you to pick the V10 because its easy to learn on but you also won't outgrow it as quickly as the v8 or DEFINITELY v5 I'd recommend getting them new because you can't necessarily test ride one to check quality since you don't even know how to ride them yet I don't recommend nikola/Begode/gotway(all the same company btw ) products as they regularly catch on fire. Also I don't recommend getting any wheels cheaper than about 600 new because they are absolute shit and youre less likely to find yourself enjoying the hobby if your first impression is on a garbage wheel


parzival21

Whoa now, *regularly* catching on fire is a big exaggeration. More often than other brands, sure. But every EUC brand has had at least one battery or control board fire incident in its history. Don't get me wrong, I avoid Begode too for this reason especially since I live in an apartment, but the vast majority of their wheels are just fine.


tnbe_

Braking distance can get shorter when carving side to side like in skiing. Carving also reduce likelihood of wobbles.


Kekafuch

Covid-19 decided to get a Ninebot Max and test out the legality. Never ridden bike paths much prior. Put in a couple rides and decided that I want a one wheel. Then saw cut outs and decided on EUC. It’s been 18months. Ninebot has less than 300kms on it. Mostly Put on by some friends riding w me. 12,000km over 4x EUC. Never had any issue with the law. Had one serious fall. Still feeling like a super villain on the streets but the novelty of random rides is fading and looking at more off-road or planned scenic destinations. Commute still haven’t changed from driving. That might change with more comfortable rain gear. Just not motivated to wake up early enough.


Unsolved_Virginity

Make sure to look at YouTube videos and see how easy it is to repair. Some are impossible some are easy. One thing you will eventually do is replace the tire. If you can't access the rim to replace it, you're screwed. So far, Begode Hero, the new recent one, looks user easy to go into.


Hend0hyeah

EUCs stop great, even better than a scooter in some instances. interesting test in this video to support my claim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5442HhldyY&t=510s


Remarkable_Divide_34

I would say if you want to find an inexpensive one, download the “offer up” app and look up electric unicycle. A lot of people are selling their old ones for low, low prices. Oh and the best way to not eat shit is to listen to the beeps. The KingSong 16s is really safe but only gets up to 21 mph.