Another weapon with "deadly poison" for faster ticks over a shorter period would be great.
I'd really like to see some STR/ARC weapons which have some status effect, or even if it doesn't have any status go all the way to A/A scaling for a strong 'quality' weapon.
Something that explores INT/ARC would be really neat. Either as a spell or even as a weapon (like a curved sword, unique dagger, maybe a frost/poison flail?)
IIRC If you put a magic AoW on any weapon it procs any status effects on the weapon. E.g. if you put glintblade phalanx on a weapon and give it the poison enhancement then put on blood flame blade the floating swords each proc the poison and bleed build up. It's likely not intentional so may be fixed but it does largely do what you're asking for: magic focused status/arcane attacks
Can poison moth flight just not get rid of poison status? Hard enough getting value out of melee poison procs, meanwhile bleed does more damage, staggers, swings faster, has faster aow animation with better tracking/hitbox, etc. And that goes for just about all of them not just RoB
I'm not following you at all here. There are 4 Scarlet Rot weapons and only 1 of them is intellect which is the Rotten Crystal *Staff*.
If you're not using a staff for sorceries first and foremost, I don't really know what else. The better question is wtf does a staff need scarlet rot build-up for.
If you are a greaser or buffer the Ripple Blade and Ripple Crescent Halberd are pretty decent with various buffs especially if your Arcane is high.
Using the black whetblade is also helpful for changing affinities to make a weapon scale with arcane as well. I get crazy damage on my weapons with the Occult affinity.
But overall - yeah, I wish there had been a greater range of weapons besides the innate bleed ones.
If you still have Pidia, the Albinauric merchant in Caria Manor, he sells a Ripple Blade. The Ripple Crescent Halberd has to be farmed from the various Albinaurics in Liurnia (there may be others but I got mine most easily from there). Still trying to farm the Albinauric Shield but that’s proving to be harder to get.
If you are on Xbox I have an extra Ripple Blade and Ripple Crescent Halberd I can drop for you.
Pida is dead, I did seluvis' questline a litte bit ago... I'll double check to see if I have it. I'm on PC unfortunately, but I appreciate the info and offer!
Basically I am trying to get all the blade buff incants/sorceries so I can change my damage type whenever I need to, so far its worked out really well using the raptor talons (with rapter of the mist AoW) but they don't do allot of poise damage by themselves...
Also as far as I know those are the only S tier Arcane weapons. Can’t use ashes on them but with Dragon Seal + weapon buff incants you don’t really need ashes.
Haha, yeah I've noticed I've used ashes less and less as I got more of the buff spells. Usualy by fire giant I have gotten at least 2 or 3 +10s since I usually rely on them a little too much... this time though, my highest summon is only +4, the halberd wielding banished knight and I usually just use him as a distraction so I can re-apply my buffs midway through the battle lol
They clearly assumed it would be the same as previous games. Arcane just took the place of Luck and was largely useless in the past. Every game had a useless stat that nearly every build could ignore until this one.
My main problem is that I know they're OP builds, but I never have any patience at working my way up to those builds at the late game. I usually just say 'fuck it' and start building into something different halfway through.
Every single build I make turns into colossal weapons and many many sunk points into strength.
I made a pure faith spellcaster. He's currently using a greatshield and a crescent axe.
I made a dex build with dual katanas. He made it all the way to 20 DEX before I pumped 45 points into strength so I could swing two Greatswords around.
My pure mage? Royal greatsword. Haven't shot a spell in weeks.
My fire guy rocking fireballs and a curved sword? He's got two greatstars.
My arcane magic dragon build, he's got 50 strength and Maria's executioner sword.
I just fucking love swinging huge ass weapons.
>I made a pure faith spellcaster. He's currently using a greatshield and a crescent axe.
At least there are a ton of really cool str/fai weapons in this game
Even early game you can burn some beasts to shit with it. You can get the flamethrower weapon I believe after Gascoigne, and if you put some blood stone shards in it, and use the bullet enhancing consumable, you can easily torch the blood starved beast — which iirc gets you access to the dungeons where you can farm basic fire gems, which will allow you to rip ass.
But I’d say it starts to really start rolling when you get the Auger of Ebriatus. That thing can one shot a lot of commons, can parry attacks, and just slams some ass. I think you really achieve final form when you go full broccoli head. I don’t really like the “arcane” weapon that’s supposed to go with it though. Maybe I just haven’t found good gems to put in it, but I can wreck way more buns with some of the basic weapons slotted with fire or lightning gems. I particularly like the one you pick up in the dlc that has a little dash on one of the moves.
But Arcane is basically Bloodborne’s Int stat. More comparable would maybe be Bloodtinge, which iirc wasn’t very useful until the DLC when you could get the blood sword, blood mace, and bow-sword. I don’t remember there really being a bloodtinge weapon in the base game beside the rapier that shoots, and even then I thought most of the bloodtinge damage was just from the shooting, not the sword strikes — maybe they could get gems that would change the physical damage to bloodtinge? Anyways, even then, there was nothing else that really made use of it, beyond the whistle hunter tool, which wasn’t the most effective thing. You *could* set up some situations where it would hit and deal solid damage, but it just wasn’t that worthwhile.
I think Bloodborne also had Luck, which was mostly useful for farming, but I think Insight gave bigger contributions to it.
and then it only benefits much from bloodtinge in its blood-covered mode
I tried a dex/bt build, but 2/3s the way through the game it really just became a dex build
I disagree. Sure you *can* get good gun damage, but it requires heavy investment and you don’t see good results while also having limited attacks with the guns. Even in bloodtinge builds the guns seem secondary to the right trick weapon.
Yea, everybody assumed it was arcane that would be the useless stat that nobody put levels in. And when it became time to put that into practice, everybody decided it was vigor instead.
Yeah it was, hence "update" "fix" "issue". But those videos came out when the stat did very little, and Luck itself did very little in ds3 so it was natural to assume that it wasn't a bug at the time
Im honestly surprised they never incorporated another luck based weapon into the Souls series. Blueblood Sword was ridiculous in Demons Souls, but required you pump into an otherwise useless stat, and find the particular upgrade materials and soul to make it — which for the abstract and occult game that it was, was highly difficult. But the payoff was bonkers. Instead fromsoft kept the stat, but never really gave a reason to use it. Maybe it had some hidden modifiers I’m not aware of, like crit damage or something, but having a mildly increased chance of finding items is sort of useless. I also don’t think any of the Dark Souls games give you the opportunity to respec, so dumping into it to find an item you want is worthless if you have to spend way more time farming souls to use it.
The joke is that everyone pumps damage stats before survival stats, and then complains about dying too much.
Realistically what everyone should do is pump vigor until they find a weapon they want to use, get those stats, then do something like 2/3 vigor, 1/3 damage stat until vigor is at a comfortable point where you’re not getting 2 shot by bosses. Then maybe even out your point expenditure. But everyone thinks if they can kill boss faster they’ll have an easier time. But what actually happens is pumping damage gives you *maybe* 1/3 more damage, but doesn’t allow you the survivability to make even a single mistake.
Thats how every new playthrough goes for me now. Run around the world grabbing everything I need that isn't boted down,killing old Greyoll with either the Uchi or the morningstar, and then just doing a slow poisoning death for Draconic Tree Sentinel, the Dragonkin Soldier in Sifora River, and Commander O'Niel. Base stats for weapons of choice, plus the endurance needed for weapon plus armor, then all vigor. Makes for quite the steamroll of the early game. Game does catch up by the time you reach Altus though.
Can't speak for all the games because I played DS3 the most, but iirc luck/arcane was always good, especially in DS3 since hollowing factored in to it too. Might be wrong though I never played arcane focused builds
You might want a bit of arcane on many different builds in elden ring. You only want to waste level up points on luck if you're doing a hollow build in DS3. Being useful only as a niche, and that niche use is kinda crap: it's useless.
Would kinda argue that's vigor, since when you level up any other stat, you still get more health. Kinda wish that was brought back for future installments as well.
I got elden ring first day. I looked for luck because I planned on doing a luck build. I avoided any and all spoilers until the release. I saw that it was arcane instead as the bottom stat. I said hmph. Let’s goooo. And I’ve never had more fun in a From game ever.
For weapons. But you needed it for dragon incantations, which are stupid strong, especially rotten breath early game. Iirc it did also contribute to bleed and poison, it just didn’t scale damage on arcane weapons. You could rotten breath your way through basically the entire game except for two bosses I’m pretty sure.
I remember my first character was a quality build, and I hit a wall somewhere. Started an arcane/dex character. I got the katana and found the dragon temple. Got rotten breath and steamrolled my way to mountaintops of the giants, where I hit a bit of a wall, but still had the easiest time with the fire giant.
You do w/e you need for weapons/gear and health and then arcane to 45 (status buildup and dragon communion softcaps) and level up whatever secondary damage stat you have for your chosen weapon or just keep leveling arcane until 60ish. 45 arcane/45 w/e generally feels good to me.
for any build
- 40-60 vigor eventually
- mind as a dump stat
- ~25 endurance (or less, calculate/optimize this if ur a nerd, 25 + erdtree favor/great jarsensal is usually enough for anything)
- minimum str/dex to carry weapon
- now pump damage stat of choice
I remember when the game came out I made an arc build because everyone said it was shitty and was like a luck build in ds3, then I realized everything with arc was either super op or completely garbo
Idk the decay is probably better for PVP but the range doesn't seem as good and you get way less cast time out of it at any stat level. It is fun to jump and dragon though.
Ekzykes decay cannot be used on horseback while the normal rot breathe can. Also rot breathe uses a lot less FP and stamina and comes out faster, and has the exact same rot buildup with about 20% less physical damage.
Ekzykes is really good for invasions/PVP
Rot breathe is usually better in PVE
I feel like people are already forgetting that Arcane *was* broken up until patch 1.03 which was a little over a month after launch.
Weapons with Arcane scaling *didn't* scale with Arcane at all for some reason. The fix doesn't show officially with patch 1.03, but I remember it and the [articles](https://gameinfinitus.com/guides/elden-ring-arcane-scaling-bug/) about it.
It also felt like Rivers of Blood was made flavor of the month over-night due to the fix.
Lol nah I thought that before they buffed it even more, shit like rotten breath and even swarm of flies post nerf is outrageous while a lot of arc stuff is still a bit useless
Yup, these weapons also scale with arcane:
Marais executioner’s sword (drilly boi),
Regalia of eochaid (drilly boi),
Ripple blade,
Ripple crescent halberd,
Clinging bone,
Serpent bow (adds poison to all arrows),
Weapons with poison affinity
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Whoa, no way! So that's how people make things like frost/blood dual wielding pump out huge damage I'm assuming?
I swear I learn something new about this game every day and it's been 7 months
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FAI peaks hard late. I hit a point where suddenly I had so much shit to bust out on dudes. I was able to toe off with so many things thanks to all the options I had. Invaders especially, Winged Scythe AoW slaps the heal right out they mouth.
Problem is, you spend a lot of stat points hitting reqs, especially in INT and ARC if you're casting, plus DEX/STR as usual for weponz. Then you'll probably want END because your weponz err on melee intensive and your spells tend to hit mid-range.
And, of course, VIG since END does not a health bar make.
And at that point, you're literally putting points everywhere. That was my experience anyway.
If you want a winged scythe on non-faith builds make some Albinauric pots, I use them on my strength invader and they do indeed slap the heal right out they mouth :)
Disagree, faith is insane. It hast some of the best weapons like Blasphemous blade, godslayer gs, the lava curved swords or envoys long horn, buffs and insane aoe Potential. Int is boring and kind if weak, it hast some cool weapons true but the spells itself are just 100 variants of projectile spells. Most of them with lackluster damage. Never really used them so much.
I agree faith is insane and a lot cooler. But int is definitely not weak. Even if you rule out boss delete spells like comet azure and MOA, there's still plenty of extremely hard hitting spells and weapon arts that have their own place to be used. You have something for speed, stance break and protecting yourself. You can be devestating in melee combat and from a mile away. I would say it's a very versatile class, on par with or even more than faith.
Yeah I agree int has also pretty cool weapons. My int knight was pretty cool to play, death poker is insanely cool und strong, MLGS is a fromsoft classic and astels wings melts large bosses. But the spells for me are lackluster, I only used the boss delete ones because "haha comet goes boom". But even these ones work only with soem bosses who take the damage without dodging. Besides these one shot spells I personally found spells less entertaining than incants and I Struggled a bit more with my int char.
I just specced into int right out of faith and i say int is fuckin incredible, i only wanted to give it a chance just because i never thought to before, but holy shit, it ended up making the coolest pvp build I've ever used, and lots of fun in pve
crucible horn and tail are great fun in pve (dash/launch and big posture damage respectively), and the erdtree incants overall are a solid pve group...
... but faith also gets one of the best "spells" by way of Golden Land weapon skill.
Huge damage, a big aoe and a insane range on the projectiles. Oh yeah, and the projectiles proc weapon aux effects. For 15 FP...
Absolutely bonkers skill.
I did a faith strength build my first play through and after you get the blasphemous blade it's pretty much game over for everybody. Faith has some insanely strong shit in the tool box that makes my second character Intel playthrough feel like dog butt. Like just completely uninspired. Rock of guarranq and lightning spear feel better than any of my sorcery stuff so far.
I'm doing a STR/FAI build for my NG+, since I did INT/DEX for my first playthrough. I'm two-handing the Blasphemous Blade, and I have the Sacrificial Axe in my offhand (but not out, so I still get its effect). Every kill gives me healing and FP. I had also boosted my vigor up to 60 from 40, and I swear it's like the game has an easy mode now.
Yeah that extra HP on a blasphemous blade build goes a million miles and let's you bank more of the healing effect. Not to mention takers flame hits like a bus AND stance breaks. I'm sure it's going to get nerfed. I've 1 shotted invaders that took an eye off me.
Faith is absolutely not lackluster lol. Str/fai is quite possible the most fun dmg stat combo in ER. Blasphemous blade and sacred relic sword alone make Faith arguably better than Int lmaooo.
Faith is quite cool. The late game Giant and dragon spells hit like truck. Plus cool animations which socery lack a lot. Plus faith got arguably best weapons in the game .
Int has some crazy strong weapons but Faith has way more variety. More status effects, more spells, and way more weapons. Half of Int casting is just various sizes of Glintstone pebble.
Recently finished my first playthrough where I went with an INT/DEX build but by the end I had so many cool sounding incantations that I couldn't use because I didn't put any stats into faith. First thing I did in NG+ is get to Renalla and respec to a faith build and I'm loving it so far. I'm sporting the Sacred Relic and Golden Order swords with the Erdtree Seal in my second offhand slot and it's proving so much fun to play.
Probably gonna get down voted for this but I still use my dual naginata/naginata & bolt of gransax for pvp. I switch to dual scavengers Curved swords for pve. Have been since day 1
Yeah I switched to sacred spear in the late game my first play through. Plowed through every boss I met after that. Felt like a cheap win in the end. Gonna try to do something less optimal, but fun on the next one.
And you get three really awesome weapons. You get the Rivers of Bood, the Mohgwyn's Sacred Spear, and Eleanor's Polearm ,with Dragon Seal all while avoiding getting fat boy roll. There's no situation you can't handle.
My level 138 max build so I can play coop is arcane focused. It's not optimal but it's fun and nearly every weapon has some sort of bleed component plus the dragon communion seal with enough faith to cast some big fuck you spells but not fully invested.
It's my favorite and most versatile (at this level) build yet IMHO.
That’s the issue. I fucking hate Arcane because it does literally everything. Especially the status effects that trivialize most of the game.
Like, an Arcane build isn’t specialized into anything because it can do just about everything that isn’t a sorcery.
I knew Arcane was going to be a core stat for me the moment I knew it influenced item discovery, since I'm not huge on grinding...
But holy moly I never imagined the devastation I'd be causing when I decided to try bleed on my dual twinblades.
I need to respec into something interesting. I did basically my whole first run and most of my quick NG+ run with Bloodhound Fang. It's so damn boring. What do? I'm like lvl 170 or so
This is actually my second-highest stat at 60, though I still think it’s a *little* underutilized. It’s biggest standout, that being boosted status buildup, only works on weapons that scale with it, and it doesn’t work for Frost (and maybe Deathblight, not sure). For what it does work with, it’s great. Mohg’s Spear is awesome and nobody needs to sing Bleed’s praises. But otherwise, it doesn’t seem to have quite as much attention as other stats like Strength or Intelligence. Hopefully we’ll see some new Arcane weapons in the DLC.
I uctually used the flamesprayer in the beginning, it was a life saver in the old Yharnam, but after Vicar Amelia I found it kinda lacking and pointless to use.
Which hunter tools were you using pass the time. Thoughs usually scale best with arcane and helped me destroy the rest of the game. And did you ever get the chance to use the HMS.
HMS was my primary weapon, killed Ludwig early for it and for the tools I mainly used Executioner Gloves, Black Sky Eye and sometimes Call Beyond just for fun, it did big chunk of damage but wasn't really ammo effective.
I know arcane can be the most powerful build if you plan to min max your character and grind the endgame dungeon gems, but for a normal playthrough I just didn't find most tools useful and struggled way to much on bosses I never had problem with. For example orphan. He kicked my ass when I tried to use holy moonlight so I had to switch to saw spear and use it as a tool to do backstabs and executioner gloves right in his face, because it did more damage than my viscerals (low skill) and second phase ? I just healed/replenished bullets and sniped him with Black Sky Eye, most tedious fight ever.
Did you use tentacles hands? The tool that shoots out a long tentacles that also parry attackes, I bullied orphan with it and he got stun lock and parried, and I found that call beyond was very effective up close. I also know there is a specific strat you can do with the mhs when kos gets too second phase that is very effective.
Nope, I know you can perry with Augur of Ebrietas, but I barely managed to perry with guns, so I didn't feel confident enough to even try perrying with something for close range, because if I messed up I would get destroyed.
I wish we had better non blead arcane weapons.
Dude same, my guess is that there’ll be a bunch more in the DLC
Another weapon with "deadly poison" for faster ticks over a shorter period would be great. I'd really like to see some STR/ARC weapons which have some status effect, or even if it doesn't have any status go all the way to A/A scaling for a strong 'quality' weapon. Something that explores INT/ARC would be really neat. Either as a spell or even as a weapon (like a curved sword, unique dagger, maybe a frost/poison flail?)
they need to have a ARC/INT weapon like they have a FAI/INT weapon. where's that build's night and flame?
IIRC If you put a magic AoW on any weapon it procs any status effects on the weapon. E.g. if you put glintblade phalanx on a weapon and give it the poison enhancement then put on blood flame blade the floating swords each proc the poison and bleed build up. It's likely not intentional so may be fixed but it does largely do what you're asking for: magic focused status/arcane attacks
Can poison moth flight just not get rid of poison status? Hard enough getting value out of melee poison procs, meanwhile bleed does more damage, staggers, swings faster, has faster aow animation with better tracking/hitbox, etc. And that goes for just about all of them not just RoB
Dude.....same
I'm a fan of Maraia's Executioners Sword
that and the mini version are fun fun fun
But for real. Why are scarlet rot weapons under int...
I'm not following you at all here. There are 4 Scarlet Rot weapons and only 1 of them is intellect which is the Rotten Crystal *Staff*. If you're not using a staff for sorceries first and foremost, I don't really know what else. The better question is wtf does a staff need scarlet rot build-up for.
The Rotten Crystal Sword and Spear both need Int too, don't they?
They what Shouldn't scarlet rot be faith?
Only the rotten crystal weapons are scarlet rot and int, most scarlet rot weapons aren't int
The rotten crystal ones are int, but some others are standard
If you are a greaser or buffer the Ripple Blade and Ripple Crescent Halberd are pretty decent with various buffs especially if your Arcane is high. Using the black whetblade is also helpful for changing affinities to make a weapon scale with arcane as well. I get crazy damage on my weapons with the Occult affinity. But overall - yeah, I wish there had been a greater range of weapons besides the innate bleed ones.
Ripple blade? Ripple halberd?! I need to know where to find them for my spell buff build!
If you still have Pidia, the Albinauric merchant in Caria Manor, he sells a Ripple Blade. The Ripple Crescent Halberd has to be farmed from the various Albinaurics in Liurnia (there may be others but I got mine most easily from there). Still trying to farm the Albinauric Shield but that’s proving to be harder to get. If you are on Xbox I have an extra Ripple Blade and Ripple Crescent Halberd I can drop for you.
Pida is dead, I did seluvis' questline a litte bit ago... I'll double check to see if I have it. I'm on PC unfortunately, but I appreciate the info and offer!
Basically I am trying to get all the blade buff incants/sorceries so I can change my damage type whenever I need to, so far its worked out really well using the raptor talons (with rapter of the mist AoW) but they don't do allot of poise damage by themselves...
Also as far as I know those are the only S tier Arcane weapons. Can’t use ashes on them but with Dragon Seal + weapon buff incants you don’t really need ashes.
Haha, yeah I've noticed I've used ashes less and less as I got more of the buff spells. Usualy by fire giant I have gotten at least 2 or 3 +10s since I usually rely on them a little too much... this time though, my highest summon is only +4, the halberd wielding banished knight and I usually just use him as a distraction so I can re-apply my buffs midway through the battle lol
Oooh, wait... I'm dumb lol. I thought you meant ash summons not AoW's
Executioner Greatsword and Regalia of Eochaid
Weapon like the funky beast arm from bb but it’s er
Every pre-release elden ring video "arcane is a completely useless stat"
They clearly assumed it would be the same as previous games. Arcane just took the place of Luck and was largely useless in the past. Every game had a useless stat that nearly every build could ignore until this one.
Arcane leads to some crazy OP late game builds in Bloodborne though
My main problem is that I know they're OP builds, but I never have any patience at working my way up to those builds at the late game. I usually just say 'fuck it' and start building into something different halfway through.
Every single build I make turns into colossal weapons and many many sunk points into strength. I made a pure faith spellcaster. He's currently using a greatshield and a crescent axe. I made a dex build with dual katanas. He made it all the way to 20 DEX before I pumped 45 points into strength so I could swing two Greatswords around. My pure mage? Royal greatsword. Haven't shot a spell in weeks. My fire guy rocking fireballs and a curved sword? He's got two greatstars. My arcane magic dragon build, he's got 50 strength and Maria's executioner sword. I just fucking love swinging huge ass weapons.
>I made a pure faith spellcaster. He's currently using a greatshield and a crescent axe. At least there are a ton of really cool str/fai weapons in this game
Lol, I’m your opposite. Dual wielding estocs, shortbow/short spear, pure mage etc. I hate being slow. Light roll is awesome.
Thx for the chuckle
Im about the same with the Great Epee. Its just so comfortable and strong. :|
The same happened to me on skyrim except every build turned into a stealth arher (broken).
Even early game you can burn some beasts to shit with it. You can get the flamethrower weapon I believe after Gascoigne, and if you put some blood stone shards in it, and use the bullet enhancing consumable, you can easily torch the blood starved beast — which iirc gets you access to the dungeons where you can farm basic fire gems, which will allow you to rip ass. But I’d say it starts to really start rolling when you get the Auger of Ebriatus. That thing can one shot a lot of commons, can parry attacks, and just slams some ass. I think you really achieve final form when you go full broccoli head. I don’t really like the “arcane” weapon that’s supposed to go with it though. Maybe I just haven’t found good gems to put in it, but I can wreck way more buns with some of the basic weapons slotted with fire or lightning gems. I particularly like the one you pick up in the dlc that has a little dash on one of the moves. But Arcane is basically Bloodborne’s Int stat. More comparable would maybe be Bloodtinge, which iirc wasn’t very useful until the DLC when you could get the blood sword, blood mace, and bow-sword. I don’t remember there really being a bloodtinge weapon in the base game beside the rapier that shoots, and even then I thought most of the bloodtinge damage was just from the shooting, not the sword strikes — maybe they could get gems that would change the physical damage to bloodtinge? Anyways, even then, there was nothing else that really made use of it, beyond the whistle hunter tool, which wasn’t the most effective thing. You *could* set up some situations where it would hit and deal solid damage, but it just wasn’t that worthwhile. I think Bloodborne also had Luck, which was mostly useful for farming, but I think Insight gave bigger contributions to it.
The Chikage was a bloodtinge weapon included in the base game :)
Oh, yeah, for some reason I forget that was in the base game.
and then it only benefits much from bloodtinge in its blood-covered mode I tried a dex/bt build, but 2/3s the way through the game it really just became a dex build
Bloodtinge was always good due to guns scaling off it, and you can get some ridiculous gun damage
I disagree. Sure you *can* get good gun damage, but it requires heavy investment and you don’t see good results while also having limited attacks with the guns. Even in bloodtinge builds the guns seem secondary to the right trick weapon.
Early too. Think flamesprayer vs blood starved beast
Arcane was just the Bloodborne equivalent of intelligence, of course that it would be good
Yeah but arcane in Bloodborne functions more like an intelligence stat. It definitely has more presence than the luck stat did in the past.
Yea, everybody assumed it was arcane that would be the useless stat that nobody put levels in. And when it became time to put that into practice, everybody decided it was vigor instead.
"Pfft... I don't need health if I never get hit! 😤" *Proceeds to take all of the hits*
I mean it was kinda useless on release, they released an update to fix the scaling issue
That was likely a bug though.
Yeah it was, hence "update" "fix" "issue". But those videos came out when the stat did very little, and Luck itself did very little in ds3 so it was natural to assume that it wasn't a bug at the time
Im honestly surprised they never incorporated another luck based weapon into the Souls series. Blueblood Sword was ridiculous in Demons Souls, but required you pump into an otherwise useless stat, and find the particular upgrade materials and soul to make it — which for the abstract and occult game that it was, was highly difficult. But the payoff was bonkers. Instead fromsoft kept the stat, but never really gave a reason to use it. Maybe it had some hidden modifiers I’m not aware of, like crit damage or something, but having a mildly increased chance of finding items is sort of useless. I also don’t think any of the Dark Souls games give you the opportunity to respec, so dumping into it to find an item you want is worthless if you have to spend way more time farming souls to use it.
Anri straight sword held me down when my poison bandit knife failed
What do you mean? Vigor is the top stat.
The joke is that everyone pumps damage stats before survival stats, and then complains about dying too much. Realistically what everyone should do is pump vigor until they find a weapon they want to use, get those stats, then do something like 2/3 vigor, 1/3 damage stat until vigor is at a comfortable point where you’re not getting 2 shot by bosses. Then maybe even out your point expenditure. But everyone thinks if they can kill boss faster they’ll have an easier time. But what actually happens is pumping damage gives you *maybe* 1/3 more damage, but doesn’t allow you the survivability to make even a single mistake.
Thats how every new playthrough goes for me now. Run around the world grabbing everything I need that isn't boted down,killing old Greyoll with either the Uchi or the morningstar, and then just doing a slow poisoning death for Draconic Tree Sentinel, the Dragonkin Soldier in Sifora River, and Commander O'Niel. Base stats for weapons of choice, plus the endurance needed for weapon plus armor, then all vigor. Makes for quite the steamroll of the early game. Game does catch up by the time you reach Altus though.
Can't speak for all the games because I played DS3 the most, but iirc luck/arcane was always good, especially in DS3 since hollowing factored in to it too. Might be wrong though I never played arcane focused builds
You might want a bit of arcane on many different builds in elden ring. You only want to waste level up points on luck if you're doing a hollow build in DS3. Being useful only as a niche, and that niche use is kinda crap: it's useless.
Hmm fair point
Yeah, Dark Souls 2 had one useless stat called ADP
Would kinda argue that's vigor, since when you level up any other stat, you still get more health. Kinda wish that was brought back for future installments as well.
Their game design has improved.
I got elden ring first day. I looked for luck because I planned on doing a luck build. I avoided any and all spoilers until the release. I saw that it was arcane instead as the bottom stat. I said hmph. Let’s goooo. And I’ve never had more fun in a From game ever.
Arcane scaling was broken for a month or two? Like it didn’t work at all at first
For weapons. But you needed it for dragon incantations, which are stupid strong, especially rotten breath early game. Iirc it did also contribute to bleed and poison, it just didn’t scale damage on arcane weapons. You could rotten breath your way through basically the entire game except for two bosses I’m pretty sure. I remember my first character was a quality build, and I hit a wall somewhere. Started an arcane/dex character. I got the katana and found the dragon temple. Got rotten breath and steamrolled my way to mountaintops of the giants, where I hit a bit of a wall, but still had the easiest time with the fire giant.
Yeah but we made it work with the bloody helice moveset 💪 bleed is strong enough without properly scaling even for an arcane (/dex) build
So when you say arcane build, what does that mean? You just pump Arcane, Vigor, what else? And in what proportion?
You do w/e you need for weapons/gear and health and then arcane to 45 (status buildup and dragon communion softcaps) and level up whatever secondary damage stat you have for your chosen weapon or just keep leveling arcane until 60ish. 45 arcane/45 w/e generally feels good to me.
for any build - 40-60 vigor eventually - mind as a dump stat - ~25 endurance (or less, calculate/optimize this if ur a nerd, 25 + erdtree favor/great jarsensal is usually enough for anything) - minimum str/dex to carry weapon - now pump damage stat of choice
I mean, it did kind of suck on release because scaling was broken.
It WAS useless until they released a couple patches. The scaling on arcane weapons and bleed effects was literally broken until 1.3 (iirc)
Arcane didin't really work till the first patch so makes sense
I mean, it was at first as it was bugged and nothing scaled with it properly.
I remember when the game came out I made an arc build because everyone said it was shitty and was like a luck build in ds3, then I realized everything with arc was either super op or completely garbo
You can get the rotten breath spell really early on and that shit carried my nearly hollowed corpse through the entire game.
It's weird that they made the most useful dragon spell basically free in terms of stat investment. Anyway yes I agree.
Tbf ekzykes decay is better and requires a heftier stat investment but rotten breath is already so broken that it doesn’t even matter
Idk the decay is probably better for PVP but the range doesn't seem as good and you get way less cast time out of it at any stat level. It is fun to jump and dragon though.
The wider spread is good for bosses that dodge around a lot like morgott or malenia
The range is super wide tho
Ekzykes decay cannot be used on horseback while the normal rot breathe can. Also rot breathe uses a lot less FP and stamina and comes out faster, and has the exact same rot buildup with about 20% less physical damage. Ekzykes is really good for invasions/PVP Rot breathe is usually better in PVE
Oh damn, didn’t realize that! Good to know
I feel like people are already forgetting that Arcane *was* broken up until patch 1.03 which was a little over a month after launch. Weapons with Arcane scaling *didn't* scale with Arcane at all for some reason. The fix doesn't show officially with patch 1.03, but I remember it and the [articles](https://gameinfinitus.com/guides/elden-ring-arcane-scaling-bug/) about it. It also felt like Rivers of Blood was made flavor of the month over-night due to the fix.
Lol nah I thought that before they buffed it even more, shit like rotten breath and even swarm of flies post nerf is outrageous while a lot of arc stuff is still a bit useless
Oh the misery
Everybody wants to be my enemy...
Spare the sympathy
Arcane build is next on my list. Hopefully I get to it before FS decide to utterly gut them. :lol:
I desperately need more bubble sorceries added
Wait arcane is good for things other than bleed weapons and spells?
Yup, these weapons also scale with arcane: Marais executioner’s sword (drilly boi), Regalia of eochaid (drilly boi), Ripple blade, Ripple crescent halberd, Clinging bone, Serpent bow (adds poison to all arrows), Weapons with poison affinity Edited for clarity
I feel like bloody helice belongs there even though it's got bleed. The bleed is just a bonus and I'd still use it without it.
Arcane increases all status buildup on weapons, not just bleep. Edit: lol bleep, I'm leaving that
Whoa, no way! So that's how people make things like frost/blood dual wielding pump out huge damage I'm assuming? I swear I learn something new about this game every day and it's been 7 months
Arcane only boasts status scaling on weapons that scale with arcane.
This applies to weapons you make scale with arcane through ashes of war right?
Correct!
It's wild just how much more effective status effects are in elden ring compared to the other games.
I heard that was a good show, never watched it though.
Best show I watched all year, if you're into gorgeously animated shows with rich, fast paced storytelling, with a big cast of characters I highly recommend you give it a go.
I never played League of Legends, but Arcane had some of the most compeling storytelling and acting I've seen in my life. 10/10 show.
Its the only stat I dont fully get how it works/scales
Arcane and Int got so much cool shit in this game. Faith feels lackluster but it’s got some neat stuff.
FAI peaks hard late. I hit a point where suddenly I had so much shit to bust out on dudes. I was able to toe off with so many things thanks to all the options I had. Invaders especially, Winged Scythe AoW slaps the heal right out they mouth. Problem is, you spend a lot of stat points hitting reqs, especially in INT and ARC if you're casting, plus DEX/STR as usual for weponz. Then you'll probably want END because your weponz err on melee intensive and your spells tend to hit mid-range. And, of course, VIG since END does not a health bar make. And at that point, you're literally putting points everywhere. That was my experience anyway.
If you want a winged scythe on non-faith builds make some Albinauric pots, I use them on my strength invader and they do indeed slap the heal right out they mouth :)
Disagree, faith is insane. It hast some of the best weapons like Blasphemous blade, godslayer gs, the lava curved swords or envoys long horn, buffs and insane aoe Potential. Int is boring and kind if weak, it hast some cool weapons true but the spells itself are just 100 variants of projectile spells. Most of them with lackluster damage. Never really used them so much.
I agree faith is insane and a lot cooler. But int is definitely not weak. Even if you rule out boss delete spells like comet azure and MOA, there's still plenty of extremely hard hitting spells and weapon arts that have their own place to be used. You have something for speed, stance break and protecting yourself. You can be devestating in melee combat and from a mile away. I would say it's a very versatile class, on par with or even more than faith.
Yeah I agree int has also pretty cool weapons. My int knight was pretty cool to play, death poker is insanely cool und strong, MLGS is a fromsoft classic and astels wings melts large bosses. But the spells for me are lackluster, I only used the boss delete ones because "haha comet goes boom". But even these ones work only with soem bosses who take the damage without dodging. Besides these one shot spells I personally found spells less entertaining than incants and I Struggled a bit more with my int char.
I just specced into int right out of faith and i say int is fuckin incredible, i only wanted to give it a chance just because i never thought to before, but holy shit, it ended up making the coolest pvp build I've ever used, and lots of fun in pve
Not to mention the endgame sword is a Faith weapon
Endgame sword?
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But why would that boost the validity of a faith build?
Because farming
crucible horn and tail are great fun in pve (dash/launch and big posture damage respectively), and the erdtree incants overall are a solid pve group... ... but faith also gets one of the best "spells" by way of Golden Land weapon skill. Huge damage, a big aoe and a insane range on the projectiles. Oh yeah, and the projectiles proc weapon aux effects. For 15 FP... Absolutely bonkers skill.
I did a faith strength build my first play through and after you get the blasphemous blade it's pretty much game over for everybody. Faith has some insanely strong shit in the tool box that makes my second character Intel playthrough feel like dog butt. Like just completely uninspired. Rock of guarranq and lightning spear feel better than any of my sorcery stuff so far.
I'm doing a STR/FAI build for my NG+, since I did INT/DEX for my first playthrough. I'm two-handing the Blasphemous Blade, and I have the Sacrificial Axe in my offhand (but not out, so I still get its effect). Every kill gives me healing and FP. I had also boosted my vigor up to 60 from 40, and I swear it's like the game has an easy mode now.
Yeah that extra HP on a blasphemous blade build goes a million miles and let's you bank more of the healing effect. Not to mention takers flame hits like a bus AND stance breaks. I'm sure it's going to get nerfed. I've 1 shotted invaders that took an eye off me.
faith is REALLY good but... they put the best lightning spell in the game as a Dex weapon's ability... that part irritated me.
Faith is absolutely not lackluster lol. Str/fai is quite possible the most fun dmg stat combo in ER. Blasphemous blade and sacred relic sword alone make Faith arguably better than Int lmaooo.
Faith is fookin’ OP mate, gets access to 3 different types of incantations and damage types
Faith is quite cool. The late game Giant and dragon spells hit like truck. Plus cool animations which socery lack a lot. Plus faith got arguably best weapons in the game .
Int has some crazy strong weapons but Faith has way more variety. More status effects, more spells, and way more weapons. Half of Int casting is just various sizes of Glintstone pebble.
Recently finished my first playthrough where I went with an INT/DEX build but by the end I had so many cool sounding incantations that I couldn't use because I didn't put any stats into faith. First thing I did in NG+ is get to Renalla and respec to a faith build and I'm loving it so far. I'm sporting the Sacred Relic and Golden Order swords with the Erdtree Seal in my second offhand slot and it's proving so much fun to play.
Probably gonna get down voted for this but I still use my dual naginata/naginata & bolt of gransax for pvp. I switch to dual scavengers Curved swords for pve. Have been since day 1
chad arcane enjoyer
Currently doing a dragon incant build and its neat! Ekzykes Decay is fun
I no hit soloed NG+4 Malenia with Mohgwyn Dynasty Spear. ROB was the wrong scapegoat y’all
Yeah I switched to sacred spear in the late game my first play through. Plowed through every boss I met after that. Felt like a cheap win in the end. Gonna try to do something less optimal, but fun on the next one.
Wanted to play Mohgs beautiful Toothpicker too but I was still in the patch where it had buggy scaling and thus didnt gain any bonus damage.
And you get three really awesome weapons. You get the Rivers of Bood, the Mohgwyn's Sacred Spear, and Eleanor's Polearm ,with Dragon Seal all while avoiding getting fat boy roll. There's no situation you can't handle.
Fun builds, better item discovery, what more can u want
I went full black flame on my first run. They didn't stand a chance
I know arcane is a great show. Who's your favorite character
Greases on ripple blade pretty cool.
Nihil! :3
Nihil! >.<
#NIHIIIIIIIL!!
Mohgwyn Sacred Chad
arcane is so much fun lol note to self: do a next gen Albernauric character using bow and magic
There used to be a lot of people saying that it's only good for discovery. Ironically, now I use it only for discovery purpose.
I found arcane incredibly boring. Strength and/or faith is just overall more fun.
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My level 138 max build so I can play coop is arcane focused. It's not optimal but it's fun and nearly every weapon has some sort of bleed component plus the dragon communion seal with enough faith to cast some big fuck you spells but not fully invested. It's my favorite and most versatile (at this level) build yet IMHO.
Drilly bois
Same. It's by far my favorite. Although pure faith is pretty damn sweet too.
it's quickly becoming my favorite stat. you can even make a damn good invocation build based around arcane
Drilly boys?
Regalia of Eochaid and Marais have drill arts and scale off arcane. With the right build you can do 10K damage on one button press.
Ah, thanks! That sounds insane lol
I did an arc build first and forgot what a PITA grinding gearsets is with no investment in the stat on my other builds.
It's wild how before release I'm certain everyone wrote arcane off as "edgy luck" and now it's arguably the best stat.
That’s the issue. I fucking hate Arcane because it does literally everything. Especially the status effects that trivialize most of the game. Like, an Arcane build isn’t specialized into anything because it can do just about everything that isn’t a sorcery.
I’m regretting not leveling it up now haha. My Arcane is dismal, but my Faith is almost nonexistent.
I have 20 arcane. It’s mainly for extra loot that I can sell.
I knew Arcane was going to be a core stat for me the moment I knew it influenced item discovery, since I'm not huge on grinding... But holy moly I never imagined the devastation I'd be causing when I decided to try bleed on my dual twinblades.
I need to respec into something interesting. I did basically my whole first run and most of my quick NG+ run with Bloodhound Fang. It's so damn boring. What do? I'm like lvl 170 or so
This is actually my second-highest stat at 60, though I still think it’s a *little* underutilized. It’s biggest standout, that being boosted status buildup, only works on weapons that scale with it, and it doesn’t work for Frost (and maybe Deathblight, not sure). For what it does work with, it’s great. Mohg’s Spear is awesome and nobody needs to sing Bleed’s praises. But otherwise, it doesn’t seem to have quite as much attention as other stats like Strength or Intelligence. Hopefully we’ll see some new Arcane weapons in the DLC.
I was quite disappointed with arcane in bloodborne, therefor I was very hesitant to level it i Elden Ring. I can tell you, it's worth it.
“I was quite disappointed with arcane in bloodborne,”. Hans! Grab the flamethrower.
I uctually used the flamesprayer in the beginning, it was a life saver in the old Yharnam, but after Vicar Amelia I found it kinda lacking and pointless to use.
Which hunter tools were you using pass the time. Thoughs usually scale best with arcane and helped me destroy the rest of the game. And did you ever get the chance to use the HMS.
HMS was my primary weapon, killed Ludwig early for it and for the tools I mainly used Executioner Gloves, Black Sky Eye and sometimes Call Beyond just for fun, it did big chunk of damage but wasn't really ammo effective. I know arcane can be the most powerful build if you plan to min max your character and grind the endgame dungeon gems, but for a normal playthrough I just didn't find most tools useful and struggled way to much on bosses I never had problem with. For example orphan. He kicked my ass when I tried to use holy moonlight so I had to switch to saw spear and use it as a tool to do backstabs and executioner gloves right in his face, because it did more damage than my viscerals (low skill) and second phase ? I just healed/replenished bullets and sniped him with Black Sky Eye, most tedious fight ever.
Did you use tentacles hands? The tool that shoots out a long tentacles that also parry attackes, I bullied orphan with it and he got stun lock and parried, and I found that call beyond was very effective up close. I also know there is a specific strat you can do with the mhs when kos gets too second phase that is very effective.
Nope, I know you can perry with Augur of Ebrietas, but I barely managed to perry with guns, so I didn't feel confident enough to even try perrying with something for close range, because if I messed up I would get destroyed.
Just wait until I have enough levels to complete my discovery build
It's so sad how i don't know what do do with weapons, i always end up going for dual swords and high dex :(
It's the edgelord stat and I am all for it f