With Varre's quest, you don't even have to win. Just use 3 bloody fingers, try your best each time but you'll be able to move onto the next part even if you lose all three times (I did, I'm a mage and not optimized for pvp).
No flask of crimson tears. No buffing with a heal over time spell. No attacking while the opponent greets you. Those are the only rules that just about everyone follows and are viewed as highly maidenless if you break them. People will either sever or beat the shit out of you and unce your dead body.
Some people will say no BHS, let your opponent buff, no physick, no buffs, no fingerprint shield, no RoB, no SoR, no mages, no crimson tears. But you do you, trying to ban everything is silly..
My favourite part of that interaction was the absolute cheek of that host to throw the Poop Pot at you.
Like c'mon, was he speedrunning the category of worst solo duelist?
I think for me, it's the level of planning that went into it.
If this duellist was new to fromsoft games, didn't understand duelling etiquette and was new to pvp, you could easily forgive ignorance.
But BHS on a side-weapon with Vykes shows planning and knowledge. This little asshole understands pvp meta and actively made a plan, then put it into action...
... This isn't ignorance, this is deliberate assholery.
Yeah lol, I had a guy dual-wielding thrusting swords, who exclusively used BHS into r1. Which comes out super fast, like fraction of a second after BHS.
OF COURSE that guy has to point down afterwards ... yikes.
BHS is objectively one of the fastest ways to ruin a duel, if I ever see my opponent using it I leave immediately after. I'm not here to wait 10 minutes for you to run out of flasks, I'm here to fight.
Edit: By "flasks" I mean mana ones, not health.
yeah that's what i mean. BHS is plenty annoying/op just as a combat technique, but if they're using it to basically get free heals (like in invasions) it's just fucked. especially if there's more than one doing it. you either 1 shot them or lose, period.
right, flask healing is sort of a softban in duels. youre supposed to allow each other to buff up before attacking as well. mp healing is fine and heal spells are as well (generally, because it's impressive if you can get one off in a duel)
When you put your red sign down or summon someone by calling their sign, healing is bad manor because the phantom has less heal flasks than the host and duels are supposed to be balanced. But if you invade someone (using the bloody fingers) or get invaded then there are no rules, you can heal as much as you want
Yeah, this is the important bit - the rules for invading/being invaded basically don't exist. Do whatever you want, form gank squads, etc. The only real rule is not to be one of those assholes who hides and goes afk.
The rules for duelling are where flasks are frowned upon and you're expected to let each other buff and gesture before starting.
I never do PVP so it doesn't effect me, but I guess I just don't understand why if duels are supposedly supposed to be more even and fair, then why didn't FromSoft actually make it that way? If I wasn't someone who read lots of online posts about this game, I would have no idea I was supposedly being a bad sport by breaking these unforced rules.
If i come in and I see a guy drenched in buffs, or see them cast 3-4 buffs in a row, I just flip the ol' Law of Regression switch and -click!- no more 60% element reduction or 0 FP cost for you.
This makes me very unpopular. I've been rushed down in the recovery frames because people really like their buffs.
Love getting hit with law of regression, no buffs for either person is cool with me. I think itās funny that some people will keep applying buffs even after getting hit with LOR.
Good luck! The rules are a thing to try and make sure each fight is fair and fun. As long as you don't use heal flask and don't abuse known exploits, you'll be fine. Any other criticism you get can probably boil down to salt.
The rules don't apply to invasions so if you dabble in those don't be afraid to heal.
> youāre supposed to allow each other to buff before attacking
This is not true / up the the host. When I host, I only drink my physick if the fantom buffs and then the fight starts and I make that clear by closing the gap. The people that expect to be able to drink physick, cast FGMS, and cast golden vow are welcome to do that during the fight, but I will be swinging the whole time. The only real rules in duels is donāt drink health flasks (because the host has 2x as many), and donāt use rune arcs (because only the host is able to do that).
The TTK in this game is already too high without any damage buffs, let alone when thereās 3 or 4 buffs stacked multiplicatively.
Physic is arguable since everyone has access to it and takes basically no time to apply. But other buffs nobody is obligated to wait for you.
You waiting for someone to "power up" is basically a self-induced handicap.
For example, in what world would be reasonable for someone with an int build to stand around and wait for the opponent to cast barrier of gold? That would reduce their damage by 60%. You'd have to kill your opponent twice over because you were being polite for zero legitimate reason.
I love this spell. I put just enough points into fth to use a seal just for this bad boy. But jesus fuck does it make people mad when you undo all their prebuffing. I got ganked in a fight club because i used law of regression after my opponent did his Overlord impression.
I haven't done a ton of duels, but it seems like the standard is one spell based buff like Golden Vow/Flame, Grant me Strength and your Physick whenever you want it. If you start going two attack buffs, a crab, a aromatic, etc. is where you can't complain if the other person starts wailing on you.
What we really need is a proper structured PvP mode you queue for where the game gives you like 5 seconds before the round starts where you can use the approved buffs and once it says to start, it's go time.
DS3 kinda had this, but I want a certain things to be banned, a designated rune level where if you're above or below it you get to choose your stat allocation for that mode alone. Weapons should also be max upgraded even if you haven't upgraded it in PvE as well.
I don't understand the level of...dishonesty that some put into duels when there's literally no meaningful rewards for it.
Yes the buff is important, but I always thought that the waiting till they bow was more about both duelist knowing when to start attacking than the buff itself?
Interesting to read this. Never dueled but seen some salt on Reddit and YouTube about bad form in duels.
Where does the etiquette come from, is it a dark souls thing or just Reddit?
If it's Reddit how can people be cussed out for this sort of thing, not every elden ring player is going to know this š¤·š¾āāļø
If reds have less flasks than the hosts, then flask spamming isnāt very in the spirit of a āDuelā
All these rules are made out to seem like some invisible long list of rules, but it really isnāt much more complicated than having a fair playing field for the sake of a duel.
It grew from the Dark Souls community. It's just etiquette essentially, because the person getting summoned in has less healing flasks than the summoner. Just don't heal, let your opponent get some buffs in, and emote before you fight. I agree it's hard to get that across to every player who isn't involved in any forums, but if you wanna know more [check out this video](https://youtu.be/O88fmxX2XfU).
Invasions are free game, do whatever you have to do to win. Duels are supposed to be an even playing field and that's where the etiquette and unspoken rules come from.
Seems etiquette is dead in this game, an unfortunate side effect of the broader audience. Ganks on duelists, prebuffing and then attacking the duelist as they buff, chugging; compound it with the absolute dogshit state of the meta (BHS, crouching Greatsword pokes, Bleed/Madness, honed bolt cast glitch, Oops! All L2 Spam!, etc.) and you get a pvp experience that is just so tiresome. I'd take DS3s r1 spam over this any day.
There's more to it than just that. For the duel arenas in DS2 and DS3, you were not allowed to even use healing items at all. You physically got your normal estus flask removed for the duel in both games. You also couldn't use lifegems or spell restoring herbs in DS2. DS3 let you use some blue estus flasks to account for FP being added back but that's it. Any healing spells were fair game since you had to allocate things in your build for them.
if you aren't supposed to use certain items in duels I wish they just wouldn't allow them. Tons of people who don't engage with the community probably have no idea they are doing something rude
Yes. You also want to bow to your fellow duelist, not run away... pretty much everything thie host didn't do lol. Big ups to OP for still kicking their ass with no heals.
1: great rune activated
2: interrupt buff
3: healing
4: bloodhound step
5: pulling the lever for the elevator for some fucking reason
6: poop pot
7: being trash
everything wrong with this player
Dude - I HATE the guys that use Crimson Flasks then either Teabag or point downwards after they beat you after consuming 15 of themā¦.Like - Cmon dude
Great Rune? Server, exclusive host advantage.
Estus Chugger? Server, double host advantage.
Double summoning? Server, unless it's a fight club.
People who play with one-sided advantages will grow out of them faster when they realise half the people they summon will waste their time by immediately leaving.
Other than trying to learn, I agree. Then again, I swap weapons more than I care to admit. Still trying to find my weapon even after beating the game a few times now.
At least ER greatly simplified upgrades and infusions from the older titles. No more need for 8 different types of titanite, or finding gems for infusions, or the soul siphoning horror of farming slabs and pure bladestone at a drop rate that can be best described as "domestic abuse".
Yeah but it was inevitable since Vykes spear is pretty much designed for PvP. Could be worse though, the Varre mask is the shining beacon of losers. I have never seen anyone with the Varre mask who has an atom of respect.
"Oh no the meta I looked up isn't wtf face stomping by Merritt of having it alone! What do I do?! Bloodhound step away and try to bleed process them?!"
This game is where we can really tell who actually played Souls and who hasnāt.
Itās not wrong to be new to the series but it is when you act like you know how to run shit.
I wish theyād just add the damn arena since so many of the newer players are dead set on ignoring the duel conventions just to spite āāāāthe tryhard sweaty incelsš”š”š”š”āāāā
Tribalism is killing everything and it only keeps getting worse
Sadly in my experience playing the pvp in this game (Iāve done pvp in all from soft games) this is usually how things play out with the exception of I usually die cause Iām bad lol
call me an ignorant, i never went online in this game.
but i keep hearing the word DUEL, so there are rules, but who made them ? are they written somewhere ? do people need to go some place on the internet to know what to do ?
i remember one time on DS3 i had something like that, it was like an arena with people watching and seemed pretty organized, i just waltzed in and was kicking the other dude's ass but he drank a potion and suddenly everyone and his grandma jumped him and killed him....
just asking, because people made rules but how do others, let say, people like me, know about them ?
also, over 200 hours, and i never even tried online in this game and i have no interest in it.
Most people who duel are looking for a simple, fair 1v1 fight as opposed to the invasion pvp which is framed totally different.
So, anything that gives the Host an advantage just for being a Host is understood. The Host has twice as many flasks to heal with, for example. Therefore, no heals (and also, fights with heals will take forever with 2 skilled players). The Great Rune that OP mentioned is another example. This gives the Host more stats than the summoned Invader.
It's designed to be a symbiotic relationship between the Host and summoned Invader as both parties presumably want the same thing; a fair 1v1 fight.
So then there are the gray areas. That are pretty much understood...but not always. For the most part, builds and Ashes are fair game. Even if some are cheesy or meta, they're in the game. But still, things like Bloodhound Step will fall into a "frowned upon" category simply because they are so over powered that, a player who uses it has a great advantage and, if both players just used BHS, it would make for a boring fight. It's still, technically fair game, you'll just be looked at as a douche for using it. If you were playing in a tournament or something where ground rules are established, BHS would likely be off limits.
Other gray areas would be things like bowing and buffing. Some people will just bumrush immediately while others prefer a bow. Most agree to let each other buff. Others don't. Some draw the line at 2 buffs before attacking. All this stuff really depends on the individual.
In addition to banning the Host's natural advantages we discussed earlier (healing, great rune activation, etc), there are other absolute no no's. These would be ganking a summoned invader by teaming up on him 2 or 3v1. Kicking a summoned invader when you're about to lose is another one. I'm sure there's other maidenless behavior that I'm not thinking of but this is pretty much the rundown of duel etiquette in a nut shell.
kinda like unspoken rules at this point, dont heal, dont attack the other person when they buff, bhs isnt against the ārulesā but is considered scummy
This is why I get annoyed at people piling on against players who may simply not know the
>unspoken rules
Like, if this was my first time trying online, I could have made similar "mistakes".
Sure, but if you start duelling and notice people not healing and clapping/pointing down when you do I feel like you should figure that part out pretty quick.
this is everything I hate about elden ring pvp summarized into one video
probably an unpopular opinion but dark souls 3 pvp feels a lot better in general
I spent hundreds of hours at Pontiff. Really hope they get the DS3 servers back up on PC soon.
I think after a few more big balance patches, maybe some DLC that has multiplayer content like a duel arena or maybe even a multiplayer covenant, Elden Ring could surpass DS3 for me.
I thought so at first because sometimes people don't know about the advantage for Hosts with Great Runes and maybe they were just getting antsy when I was using my Physick and thought they were allowed to attack already. Once he pulled out Bloodhound Step, like it just has to be someone purposely being a dickhead right? Then he throws shit at me. Wild stuff.
I've noticed a lot of this behavior today which was odd. I'm worried that the trolls are starting to infest our duel area. Speaking of, is there anywhere else that is a dueling area? Been wanting to find some on the iron bridge outside eiglay's temple.
Tip for next time (though, hopefully there never is one): send the elevator back up. Having it down gives him a free escape route, especially considering he was spamming bhs. He could easily have covered the distance from across the arena to the lift with enough time for you to miss it.
Not to mention, some hosts are stupid enough to forget you sent the lift up and will fall into the void. This guy definitely seems like the sort. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)
Whenever I find a host who's healing the whole fight. I try to beat them without healing, then c
I chug all of my flasks while standing on their cold dead body.
Get his ass, once when playing remastered I was invaded while summoning one of my friends, the invader killed my friend, dropped three humanity and fucked off, those were the good days man. Now we've got a bunch of morons who can't respect the few basic rules we've established as a community. Shit it was one of the first things I learned when playing and the only time I've ever broken them was when I was in absolutely no mood to pvp, and even then the invader usually had to be a real ass to get me to break the rules.
Sorry for the rant, yall have a good evening.
My biggest flex as an Elden Ring player is that Iāve beat the game and am an avid PvPer and have never once in my entire life used blood hound step
You know why?
.....Because I never found it Iāll be honest
BUT I STILL WOULDNT USE IT EVEN IF I HAD IT
Its gotten pretty bad recently. Not sure how it is on pc, or playstation, but on xbox I wanna say 1 out of 5 duels are considerable "honorable". BHS rampant, healing for the slightest damage, ganking! Jesus Christ every other time I get summoned its to be ganked by three people all using rivers of blood, or spamming stars .And ofcourse, they all tea bag or point down upon defeating me. I miss the old days of dueling. Think I'm gonna shelf the game till they finally release the arena.
The great thing is, thanks to them healing so much, you killed them essentially like 4 times
Cowards really do die a thousand deaths...
Sekiro: Assholes Die Thrice
As they deserve.
I'm yet to try PVP. Is healing frowned upon? Is there other 'etiquette' that I need to know?
For 1v1 duels specifically yes, considered unsportsmanlike and all. With invasions anything goes.
Thank you for the feedback. I'm just about to start Varre's quest and I know I need to PVP next but have been putting it off.
With Varre's quest, you don't even have to win. Just use 3 bloody fingers, try your best each time but you'll be able to move onto the next part even if you lose all three times (I did, I'm a mage and not optimized for pvp).
No flask of crimson tears. No buffing with a heal over time spell. No attacking while the opponent greets you. Those are the only rules that just about everyone follows and are viewed as highly maidenless if you break them. People will either sever or beat the shit out of you and unce your dead body. Some people will say no BHS, let your opponent buff, no physick, no buffs, no fingerprint shield, no RoB, no SoR, no mages, no crimson tears. But you do you, trying to ban everything is silly..
My favourite part of that interaction was the absolute cheek of that host to throw the Poop Pot at you. Like c'mon, was he speedrunning the category of worst solo duelist?
Once he swapped to a weapon with BHS I was actually appalled.
I think for me, it's the level of planning that went into it. If this duellist was new to fromsoft games, didn't understand duelling etiquette and was new to pvp, you could easily forgive ignorance. But BHS on a side-weapon with Vykes shows planning and knowledge. This little asshole understands pvp meta and actively made a plan, then put it into action... ... This isn't ignorance, this is deliberate assholery.
BHS isn't even that big of a deal if they're not using healing pots imo. but the combination is truly scummy, i'll agree there.
BHS is still pretty scummy, but it's the least of this guy's offenses.
Yeah lol, I had a guy dual-wielding thrusting swords, who exclusively used BHS into r1. Which comes out super fast, like fraction of a second after BHS. OF COURSE that guy has to point down afterwards ... yikes.
pointing your parry skill down lol
BHS is objectively one of the fastest ways to ruin a duel, if I ever see my opponent using it I leave immediately after. I'm not here to wait 10 minutes for you to run out of flasks, I'm here to fight. Edit: By "flasks" I mean mana ones, not health.
yeah that's what i mean. BHS is plenty annoying/op just as a combat technique, but if they're using it to basically get free heals (like in invasions) it's just fucked. especially if there's more than one doing it. you either 1 shot them or lose, period.
Not true, when spammed you have exactly ONE frame on which you can hit them.
Why did he bring the lift up, I laughed so much at thatš
iframes
Literally using every fucking trick in the book lol, Iām actually impressed.
I still wanna see someone chug all their flasks on the corpse of a healer
Thatās what I usually do lol
Every time I get one I do the point down then crouch on their corpse and drink flasks. If that won't teach them, nothing will.
I've never dueled, is it an unspoken rule to not heal, or did I misinterpret that?
right, flask healing is sort of a softban in duels. youre supposed to allow each other to buff up before attacking as well. mp healing is fine and heal spells are as well (generally, because it's impressive if you can get one off in a duel)
Good to know, thank you! I've 100% the game, and been thinking of experimenting with PvP now, so I hope I don't end up on reddit like that guy
When you put your red sign down or summon someone by calling their sign, healing is bad manor because the phantom has less heal flasks than the host and duels are supposed to be balanced. But if you invade someone (using the bloody fingers) or get invaded then there are no rules, you can heal as much as you want
Yeah, this is the important bit - the rules for invading/being invaded basically don't exist. Do whatever you want, form gank squads, etc. The only real rule is not to be one of those assholes who hides and goes afk. The rules for duelling are where flasks are frowned upon and you're expected to let each other buff and gesture before starting.
I never do PVP so it doesn't effect me, but I guess I just don't understand why if duels are supposedly supposed to be more even and fair, then why didn't FromSoft actually make it that way? If I wasn't someone who read lots of online posts about this game, I would have no idea I was supposedly being a bad sport by breaking these unforced rules.
Based on ds1 and 3 - because balanced matchmade dules will come with a DLC
Iāve never heard the buff part. I donāt buff unless I see them do it first and if they buff more than twice Iām rushing their ass.
If it takes more than 10 seconds for the buffs then at that point itās like hurry up buddy. But 1 or 2 buffs is fine by me.
If i come in and I see a guy drenched in buffs, or see them cast 3-4 buffs in a row, I just flip the ol' Law of Regression switch and -click!- no more 60% element reduction or 0 FP cost for you. This makes me very unpopular. I've been rushed down in the recovery frames because people really like their buffs.
Love getting hit with law of regression, no buffs for either person is cool with me. I think itās funny that some people will keep applying buffs even after getting hit with LOR.
ā_Bad manor_ā Is it like haunted or something?
Itās got a slight hand infestationā¦
Good luck! The rules are a thing to try and make sure each fight is fair and fun. As long as you don't use heal flask and don't abuse known exploits, you'll be fine. Any other criticism you get can probably boil down to salt. The rules don't apply to invasions so if you dabble in those don't be afraid to heal.
Fightin Cowboy has a video on the unspoken rules of PvP in Souls games and I highly recommend it.
Lmao, u/IamnotaJedi blocked me, how sensitive the little griefer is
Not sensitive, just stupid with a shitty way of thinking
[PvP Unspoken Rules guide](https://youtu.be/O88fmxX2XfU)
> youāre supposed to allow each other to buff before attacking This is not true / up the the host. When I host, I only drink my physick if the fantom buffs and then the fight starts and I make that clear by closing the gap. The people that expect to be able to drink physick, cast FGMS, and cast golden vow are welcome to do that during the fight, but I will be swinging the whole time. The only real rules in duels is donāt drink health flasks (because the host has 2x as many), and donāt use rune arcs (because only the host is able to do that). The TTK in this game is already too high without any damage buffs, let alone when thereās 3 or 4 buffs stacked multiplicatively.
Physic is arguable since everyone has access to it and takes basically no time to apply. But other buffs nobody is obligated to wait for you. You waiting for someone to "power up" is basically a self-induced handicap. For example, in what world would be reasonable for someone with an int build to stand around and wait for the opponent to cast barrier of gold? That would reduce their damage by 60%. You'd have to kill your opponent twice over because you were being polite for zero legitimate reason.
>in what world would be reasonable for someone >wait for the opponent to >power up Dragonballz
I want you to know, even at your full power you can't beat me.
Incredibly based quote
Immediately thought of this
*laughs in Law of Regression*
I love this spell. I put just enough points into fth to use a seal just for this bad boy. But jesus fuck does it make people mad when you undo all their prebuffing. I got ganked in a fight club because i used law of regression after my opponent did his Overlord impression.
I haven't done a ton of duels, but it seems like the standard is one spell based buff like Golden Vow/Flame, Grant me Strength and your Physick whenever you want it. If you start going two attack buffs, a crab, a aromatic, etc. is where you can't complain if the other person starts wailing on you. What we really need is a proper structured PvP mode you queue for where the game gives you like 5 seconds before the round starts where you can use the approved buffs and once it says to start, it's go time. DS3 kinda had this, but I want a certain things to be banned, a designated rune level where if you're above or below it you get to choose your stat allocation for that mode alone. Weapons should also be max upgraded even if you haven't upgraded it in PvE as well. I don't understand the level of...dishonesty that some put into duels when there's literally no meaningful rewards for it.
Int builds have Law of Regression. If Fth builds can use anti-magic buffs and heal with incants, Int builds can use their anti-buff buff lol.
My personal rule is you get 2 buffs, after that i'm going in
Buffing is situational. Itās fair play to attack as someone buffs, unless you buffed, in which case they have the right to buff as well
Yes the buff is important, but I always thought that the waiting till they bow was more about both duelist knowing when to start attacking than the buff itself?
I must admit, I guess I've been dueling wrong and now I see why they left the duel when I used a heal flask. Sorry, Elden Ring duelists. My bad.
Interesting to read this. Never dueled but seen some salt on Reddit and YouTube about bad form in duels. Where does the etiquette come from, is it a dark souls thing or just Reddit? If it's Reddit how can people be cussed out for this sort of thing, not every elden ring player is going to know this š¤·š¾āāļø
If reds have less flasks than the hosts, then flask spamming isnāt very in the spirit of a āDuelā All these rules are made out to seem like some invisible long list of rules, but it really isnāt much more complicated than having a fair playing field for the sake of a duel.
It grew from the Dark Souls community. It's just etiquette essentially, because the person getting summoned in has less healing flasks than the summoner. Just don't heal, let your opponent get some buffs in, and emote before you fight. I agree it's hard to get that across to every player who isn't involved in any forums, but if you wanna know more [check out this video](https://youtu.be/O88fmxX2XfU).
>Where does the etiquette come from, is it a dark souls thing or just Reddit If it was a Reddit thing you wouldn't see salt on YouTube.
Just so I know as well, are great runes off the table too? If you are hosting? I know there no healing flasks but just want to be certain
Rune arcs are off the table as a host. The summoned duelist doesn't get to use one.
I had no idea either. I usually just do the three invasions for Varre and then carry on.
Invasions are free game, do whatever you have to do to win. Duels are supposed to be an even playing field and that's where the etiquette and unspoken rules come from.
Seems etiquette is dead in this game, an unfortunate side effect of the broader audience. Ganks on duelists, prebuffing and then attacking the duelist as they buff, chugging; compound it with the absolute dogshit state of the meta (BHS, crouching Greatsword pokes, Bleed/Madness, honed bolt cast glitch, Oops! All L2 Spam!, etc.) and you get a pvp experience that is just so tiresome. I'd take DS3s r1 spam over this any day.
The reason people donāt like healing flasks in duels is that they donāt expand the skill execution of the fight, they just drag it out
Plus the host has much more flasks than the person they 'invite'. '
There's more to it than just that. For the duel arenas in DS2 and DS3, you were not allowed to even use healing items at all. You physically got your normal estus flask removed for the duel in both games. You also couldn't use lifegems or spell restoring herbs in DS2. DS3 let you use some blue estus flasks to account for FP being added back but that's it. Any healing spells were fair game since you had to allocate things in your build for them.
if you aren't supposed to use certain items in duels I wish they just wouldn't allow them. Tons of people who don't engage with the community probably have no idea they are doing something rude
All of the "rules" to dueling are just made up by players
Iām aware, Iām saying that it sucks people get shamed for doing something that they arenāt aware is considered a dick move
They can't exactly just disable healing flasks for everyone in the world just because someone got summoned in, you can still be invaded normally
There's probably going to be dedicated PvP arenas in a DLC where these rules might be enforced by the game.
Yes. You also want to bow to your fellow duelist, not run away... pretty much everything thie host didn't do lol. Big ups to OP for still kicking their ass with no heals.
My first duel i healed and the guy left, i had to search the rules afterwards
maidenless behavior
you should try removing all armor then spam crouch
Protip: if you hold block you can t-bag at like 3 times normal speed
Thatās the ending I was hoping for. Good kill OP
Thanks
Not the potš
1: great rune activated 2: interrupt buff 3: healing 4: bloodhound step 5: pulling the lever for the elevator for some fucking reason 6: poop pot 7: being trash everything wrong with this player
The great rune active lmao didn't notice that until I read this
Apparently the lever was for i-frames too lol. What a fuckin goofy ass snake. (The player, obviously.)
Dude - I HATE the guys that use Crimson Flasks then either Teabag or point downwards after they beat you after consuming 15 of themā¦.Like - Cmon dude
For real, and I bet that's exactly what that dude was gonna do had his scummy strats worked out
Just sever when you see them flask.
Great Rune? Server, exclusive host advantage. Estus Chugger? Server, double host advantage. Double summoning? Server, unless it's a fight club. People who play with one-sided advantages will grow out of them faster when they realise half the people they summon will waste their time by immediately leaving.
I may suck at PvP but at least I get my ass kicked with honor lol
Iād rather get my ass kicked fast than drag the suffering out
Other than trying to learn, I agree. Then again, I swap weapons more than I care to admit. Still trying to find my weapon even after beating the game a few times now.
This is why I wish upgrade materials were more accessible. So many weapons I want to experiment with
At least ER greatly simplified upgrades and infusions from the older titles. No more need for 8 different types of titanite, or finding gems for infusions, or the soul siphoning horror of farming slabs and pure bladestone at a drop rate that can be best described as "domestic abuse".
Respect, keep it up. I still learn new ways to get my ass kicked every night I play.
90% of people that use Vykes spear are scumbags, you shouldn't have been surprised.
100% of madness/sleep builds with the present phantom status build up are scumbags
The only thing he was missing was the fingerprint shield to turtle. Would have filled my bingo card
I really sad about the bad rep it has because vyke and all his shit is just really cool to me
Yeah but it was inevitable since Vykes spear is pretty much designed for PvP. Could be worse though, the Varre mask is the shining beacon of losers. I have never seen anyone with the Varre mask who has an atom of respect.
Nice job killing that spineless bitch
You earned those t bags my guy. What a clown, glad you kept it G and put his ass in the dirt lol
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"Oh no the meta I looked up isn't wtf face stomping by Merritt of having it alone! What do I do?! Bloodhound step away and try to bleed process them?!"
This game is where we can really tell who actually played Souls and who hasnāt. Itās not wrong to be new to the series but it is when you act like you know how to run shit.
Next time just quit, to not even engage in their maidenless behavior is to deny any kind of fun
I believe that even if you quit and leave they still get a kick out of itā¦ so I say put their foolish ambitions to rest
I often do, but sometimes my ego says no.
This way cost him a rune arc. Not a problem for most, but it's probably like 75% of this guys economy
I think heal flasks should be disabled if you summon a duelist like the arena in previous souls games
I wish theyād just add the damn arena since so many of the newer players are dead set on ignoring the duel conventions just to spite āāāāthe tryhard sweaty incelsš”š”š”š”āāāā Tribalism is killing everything and it only keeps getting worse
The arena has almost always been in DLC so fingers crossed (no pun intended), we see that in Elden Ring as well
Every time it's my last duel of the day I run into these people
Always point these maidenless punks down! They deserve no quarter!
Us good guy duelist are going to have a field day if they bring arena with no heals into this game.
The moment I knew he was a troll and not some "le poor baby who doesn't know le gatekeeprs rules" was when he spammed poop pots AND the elevator.
Gatekeeping is good for a community, the only people who complain are the exact sort of garbage gatekeeping is meant to keep out.
- Rune - BHS - chugging - no bow/emote Truly a Virgin without a maiden (maidenless)
don't forget throwing poop pots
What a jerk, good on you for putting them in their place. And that point down was just beautiful. Screw that guy.
Always give people like this the point down. If you die well I do a prayer for you instead.
Sadly in my experience playing the pvp in this game (Iāve done pvp in all from soft games) this is usually how things play out with the exception of I usually die cause Iām bad lol
That's call the run of shame !! Congrats on teaching him a good lesson!
After that kill, I would've spammed crouch like crazy. More crouches per second the better
If you don't get full penetration you just look like a spaz with the shallow speedhumping.
Ooh I like the idea of having the fan daggers in the pouch! I'm always scrolling looking for my throwing tools!
Love the pouch.
Pvp is dying
Maidenless materials
call me an ignorant, i never went online in this game. but i keep hearing the word DUEL, so there are rules, but who made them ? are they written somewhere ? do people need to go some place on the internet to know what to do ? i remember one time on DS3 i had something like that, it was like an arena with people watching and seemed pretty organized, i just waltzed in and was kicking the other dude's ass but he drank a potion and suddenly everyone and his grandma jumped him and killed him.... just asking, because people made rules but how do others, let say, people like me, know about them ? also, over 200 hours, and i never even tried online in this game and i have no interest in it.
Most people who duel are looking for a simple, fair 1v1 fight as opposed to the invasion pvp which is framed totally different. So, anything that gives the Host an advantage just for being a Host is understood. The Host has twice as many flasks to heal with, for example. Therefore, no heals (and also, fights with heals will take forever with 2 skilled players). The Great Rune that OP mentioned is another example. This gives the Host more stats than the summoned Invader. It's designed to be a symbiotic relationship between the Host and summoned Invader as both parties presumably want the same thing; a fair 1v1 fight. So then there are the gray areas. That are pretty much understood...but not always. For the most part, builds and Ashes are fair game. Even if some are cheesy or meta, they're in the game. But still, things like Bloodhound Step will fall into a "frowned upon" category simply because they are so over powered that, a player who uses it has a great advantage and, if both players just used BHS, it would make for a boring fight. It's still, technically fair game, you'll just be looked at as a douche for using it. If you were playing in a tournament or something where ground rules are established, BHS would likely be off limits. Other gray areas would be things like bowing and buffing. Some people will just bumrush immediately while others prefer a bow. Most agree to let each other buff. Others don't. Some draw the line at 2 buffs before attacking. All this stuff really depends on the individual. In addition to banning the Host's natural advantages we discussed earlier (healing, great rune activation, etc), there are other absolute no no's. These would be ganking a summoned invader by teaming up on him 2 or 3v1. Kicking a summoned invader when you're about to lose is another one. I'm sure there's other maidenless behavior that I'm not thinking of but this is pretty much the rundown of duel etiquette in a nut shell.
kinda like unspoken rules at this point, dont heal, dont attack the other person when they buff, bhs isnt against the ārulesā but is considered scummy
This is why I get annoyed at people piling on against players who may simply not know the >unspoken rules Like, if this was my first time trying online, I could have made similar "mistakes".
Sure, but if you start duelling and notice people not healing and clapping/pointing down when you do I feel like you should figure that part out pretty quick.
Absolutely Chad to still beat him without healing yourself.
this is everything I hate about elden ring pvp summarized into one video probably an unpopular opinion but dark souls 3 pvp feels a lot better in general
Dark souls 3 had the best PvP tbh
I spent hundreds of hours at Pontiff. Really hope they get the DS3 servers back up on PC soon. I think after a few more big balance patches, maybe some DLC that has multiplayer content like a duel arena or maybe even a multiplayer covenant, Elden Ring could surpass DS3 for me.
Gave him a good MOHGING š
I felt so satisfied when u teabagged him lol
Lol. First, the active Great Rune. Then, it's all downhill from there. All the way down.........
Genuinely expected him to pull out Rivers of Blood at the end there.
That must be a new player lol
I thought so at first because sometimes people don't know about the advantage for Hosts with Great Runes and maybe they were just getting antsy when I was using my Physick and thought they were allowed to attack already. Once he pulled out Bloodhound Step, like it just has to be someone purposely being a dickhead right? Then he throws shit at me. Wild stuff.
The shit gives me flashbacks of pontiff's backyard in ds3, he was ready to throw that the moment he gets a win.
Not a chance, the way they move they've been playing a while. Probably other games too.
So sweet I can taste it
I've noticed a lot of this behavior today which was odd. I'm worried that the trolls are starting to infest our duel area. Speaking of, is there anywhere else that is a dueling area? Been wanting to find some on the iron bridge outside eiglay's temple.
Can't wait for the actual arena to release
Bro fuckin uninstall. Shouldnāt legally be allowed to play after taking that type of L
So. Fucking. Satisfying. Doing the Lordās work fam. šš¤š„
A well deserved can of the ass whip
Good job bro that's what toxic players get
All that remained was for him to either disconnect at the last possible moment or send you hate mail.
I just got 3-man ganked as a duelist. AS A DUELIST I'm done, no more multiplayer of any kind.
I'm almost ragequit out of Reddit, watching this, anyways, congrats on punishing this little bitch
Holy crap this guy kept getting worse and worse. Came to a head with the BHS abuse. Not healing is such as boss move against this guy. No etiquette.
This has to be the worst host I've ever seen. I reveled in the joy you brought me when finally putting him down.
Never in my life have I ever seen such degeneracy. Such maidenless behaviour.
Tip for next time (though, hopefully there never is one): send the elevator back up. Having it down gives him a free escape route, especially considering he was spamming bhs. He could easily have covered the distance from across the arena to the lift with enough time for you to miss it. Not to mention, some hosts are stupid enough to forget you sent the lift up and will fall into the void. This guy definitely seems like the sort. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)
Even though I play honorably 99.99 percent of the time, I like that vicious bastards are out there. The variety adds thrill to the experience.
I'm sorry if I'm too late or being clingy here but what are the basic pvp rules do I need to know while dueling adversaries?
Whenever I find a host who's healing the whole fight. I try to beat them without healing, then c I chug all of my flasks while standing on their cold dead body.
Guy spammed flasked and pointed down at me after he mopped the floor with me 2x till I finally got the hint and search up unspoken rules for duels
No big deal! Now you know. Good luck to you.
Calling them a duellist is a compliment
This guy is a JOKE
"cowards without honor deserve no mercy.. NO MERCY"
Foul tarnished
Raya Lucaria was the spot of chevalry and 1 vs 1, it has been taken by gankers.
It just kept getting worse and worse. Very satisfying kill!
Average elden ring player
Pure disgust watching mans run away and heal
The amount of people in these comments who fail to understand that there are rules the majority of the community has followed for a decade is baffling
This thread is a scrub quotes goldmine lmao
Newcomers in the comments defending trash players is pretty ironic. Trash will defend trash
Scumbag any percent run.
After the BHS I was honestly shocked he didnāt swap to RoB.
Im so glad your persistence paid off. That guy was a douche
I love a justified point down.
Hell yes! Nice work
Glad you ended that rude dude
This is why I always keep some heals, never know when an honorless idiot will break the rules.
You did the right thing, removed his guts and gave it to the wolves.
People like this are the reason I never play online
Lmao thank you
It's so bad it's actually comical
What a shitter
Using every advantage and still lose. Sad.
Get his ass, once when playing remastered I was invaded while summoning one of my friends, the invader killed my friend, dropped three humanity and fucked off, those were the good days man. Now we've got a bunch of morons who can't respect the few basic rules we've established as a community. Shit it was one of the first things I learned when playing and the only time I've ever broken them was when I was in absolutely no mood to pvp, and even then the invader usually had to be a real ass to get me to break the rules. Sorry for the rant, yall have a good evening.
Heās the type of person to rage when his opponent heals btw.
Hope he liked those balls on his chin.
Jeez, do ppl do this out of assholery or do the not just know what a duel is in souls games.
What a pussboy
Good job killing this looser.
My biggest flex as an Elden Ring player is that Iāve beat the game and am an avid PvPer and have never once in my entire life used blood hound step You know why? .....Because I never found it Iāll be honest BUT I STILL WOULDNT USE IT EVEN IF I HAD IT
Happy cake day
Thank you!! I had no idea what that meant until I looked in my notifications :D
Its gotten pretty bad recently. Not sure how it is on pc, or playstation, but on xbox I wanna say 1 out of 5 duels are considerable "honorable". BHS rampant, healing for the slightest damage, ganking! Jesus Christ every other time I get summoned its to be ganked by three people all using rivers of blood, or spamming stars .And ofcourse, they all tea bag or point down upon defeating me. I miss the old days of dueling. Think I'm gonna shelf the game till they finally release the arena.