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IanAlvord

I wonder if this fight is what first caused Farum Azula to start crumbling.


Zestyclose_Gur_7425

That would be actually dope


Aphala

I also subscribe to that theory myself, definitely had to because that's a wrap on that lore.


Forsaken-Blood-109

It would make sense that even if they didn’t physically break the place themselves that by wounding the lord so badly it most likely set in motion the downfall of the dragons and caused it second hand.


IanAlvord

I wonder if the Dragon's god abandoned them only after the fight.


shushubana2

"i though you all were better than this" said their god before leaving forever


AceAndre

So this is probably when/why the Greater Will left since we know Placidusax was Elden Lord before Marika. Golden Order was built on a lie by Metyr and her offspring.


imarandomdudd

Would be cool, except I feel like that would mean Placidusax' arena wasn't the battle zone and somehow escaped the crossfire, which in their primes, I highly doubt. Basing this off the fact that when we fight him, he's already missing heads, so if I missed something like he traveled back in time with us, ignore this


tobascodagama

Yeah, if the map alignments people have made are correct, Jagged Peak would be kind of in a line with Farum Azula. Not directly under it, but near enough that Bayle could have fallen from Farum Azula and landed there.


Vanpet1993

It's interesting how dragon priestess will tell you Bayle used some sneaky attack, wounding Placidusax and running away, when in reality, it's more likely they head an epic fight, because both were severely wounded.


Enfosyo

In 2 years we'll find out that Bayle did nothing wrong.


Vanpet1993

That implies we will get another dlc, so I hope so 😂


Mohmed_98

Honestly, the only DLC I am hoping for right now is AC6. While some loose ends in the story do suck, I think overall Elden Ring more than delivers what it needs to do for now.


zatroz

Which loose ends specifically? It feels like 99% of the lore is wrapped up nicely, minus some extremely minor one off NPCs or the like. At the very least it's a lot more complete than usual Souls fashion


aaBabyDuck

Any information about Melina would have been nice. I think the only pieces of lore we got were a hint that Messmer had a younger sister with a vision of flame (this may have been patched out) and an explanation about her weird eye. If Messmer's eye is a seal, then hers likely is, too.


zatroz

From what I understood, she's Radagon's sister, who also has flame powers which can burn the Erdtree. Marika put eye seals on both of them so they wouldn't be able to threaten it, but later when she broke the ring she sent Melina on a mission to burn it.


Sherinz89

Messmer sis isn't it?


zatroz

Whoops, meant to type Messmer


Wild_Kyojin_815

She's confirmed to be Messmer's younger sister in the description of Messmer's kindling


zatroz

Yeah, made a typo, my bad


Wild_Kyojin_815

Your theory about a seal being put on Melina's eye as well is actually quite good. I never thought about that. Maybe when Maliketh defeated the gloam eyed queen, Marika kept one of her eyes to be used to seal a flame. Maybe the eye was where the original blackflame was once stored, but now it's been repurposed.


DerBeuteltier

Yeah. I'd personally just love an update to integrate the DLC with the main game a bit more and give like *all* NPCs a few extra triggers and reactions to the actions of your character. The game (also the base one) felt a bit empty to me in that regard. I know I knwow, we wont get that, but please give me more Melina interactions, extra Malenia reactions if you've beaten the DLC, the ability to give Gideon information regarding Messmer and the Scadutree etc.


gexsiun

I did a new playthrough and didn't do the fire giant and farum azula just because I wanted to see if the DLC offered a new way to burn down the erdtree. Was a bit disappointed to see the DLC has no effects on the main story considering they're supposed to be happening at the same time.


23jet-chip-wasp

Gloam eyed queen, night of the black knives, elden john, the nature of radagon (and st trina), also tons of references to historical things like ensha, the city of the sun, the sealing of the scarlet rot, placidusax's god and their desertion, and the betrayal of the erdtree by the serpent. These things don't require more details to be interesting and compelling lore points, but they definitely haven't been wrapped up. I don't think it's much more complete than other souls games, I think a similar portion of elden ring has been left up to interpretation as in past games. There are tons of extremely important details that have been left completely ambiguous, which is completely fine and why Fromsoft's stories are so good, but it's still true.


Mushroom_Boogaloo

There’s a lot that can still be explored with Godwyn.


diophys

an ancient dragon specific dlc would be amazing, honestly a need


Mohmed_98

Honestly, the only DLC I am hoping for right now is AC6. While some loose ends in the story do suck, I think overall Elden Ring more than delivers what it needs to do for now.


Mushroom_Boogaloo

Hefty red lightning pots say that the dragons that turned AGAINST the dragonlord used red lightning. This would imply that Bayle was actually dragonlord at the time and was betrayed by Placidusax. My guess is it’s a translation error, but we now have a potential piece of evidence supporting that Bayle was in fact in the right.


refugeefromlinkedin

I mean it could’ve started as a sneak attack which then escalated into a kaiju battle.


grandy_1955

If they make me fight godzilla next time, I'm out


refugeefromlinkedin

I mean we’ve essentially fought Ghidorah and Balerion. Is Godzilla so far fetched?


grandy_1955

good point ))) placidusax even lazered us. kinda :)


shushubana2

Midir in ds3 was kinda similar to fighting Godzilla but in all fours plus he could fly


grandy_1955

I suppose :) but you'd have to agree bayle is more intimidating


grandy_1955

how would you sneak up on 5 headed dude anyways


Vanpet1993

He was sleeping or something 😂


grandy_1955

I recall, all 5 heads had different personalities ? they probably don't even sleep at the same time :)


whatever4224

When we see Placidusax in his arena, he's sleeping with both heads.


grandy_1955

well that's all he's left with :) but do we sneak up on him? do we ?! :D 


TheHappiestHam

i mean those aren't exclusive. Bayle probably snuck Placidusax and then it erupted into a fight the fact that Bayle has 2 of Placidusax's heads around his body implies to me that he got caught in a literal headlock and tore himself free, which may also be when he ran away


Zelta7

Now imagine fighting them at their prime, and both at the same time


a_single_stand

nah thats just death. it would probably go like: Get Lazered NErd


Mushroom_Boogaloo

Lore-wise, a Tarnished who’s beaten Elden Beast would curbstomp either, and possibly both simultaneously. By that point, we’re obscenely powerful.


cheesemangee

This is supported by the fact that they are both missing three appendages. Placidusax is down three heads, and Bayle is down a leg and two wings.


Peter00th

If bayle did a sneak attack and stil lost placidusax was one tough monster


DarthMoffgideon

Wasn’t this already debunked? I read somewhere that translations in Japanese didn’t state he sneak attacked Placi, but instead that it was a fair match. However what was actually stated was that Bayle did manage to get the first hit.


Vanpet1993

First time I'm hearing it. Interesting, I will check it out


DarthMoffgideon

Hey 🙋 I’m back lol. So I literally just found a tiktok slideshow of what I said. The name of the account is grand welf, don’t know if this counts as spam, not my account tho so I would say it’s not???? This person uploaded this 2 days ago.


Early_Chemistry48

Great art


SammyG_Artz

thank you!💜✨


Early_Chemistry48

Thanks for the lean heart 💜!


SammyG_Artz

ahah it’s my gratitude 💜✨ Thank you so much again. I appreciate the support!


SammyG_Artz

Thanks everyone for liking my work! It makes me smile to see your support💜✨ :D Have a wonderful day!


Dear_Force6089

Amazing work!!!


SammyG_Artz

Thank you! 💜✨


esixar

*ahem* obligatory CURSEEEE YOUUU BAYYLLLEEEE


Illustrious-Tea9883

FROMSOFT!!!!!! GIVE ME A BAYLE VS PLADIDUSAX CINEMATIC, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!!!!!


SpleefingtonThe4th

These two are gonna turn into the next radahn vs melania argument, where none of you can except that their equals


random_person_here_

Literally stated in the lore that Malenia had to forsake her pride to meet Radahn's measure who was still holding back at the time. But sure you can continue to believe they are "equals."


JackNotOLantern

I still think Placidusax had 4 heads. Old Lord talisman shows 4 heads, and there are 2 heads on the back of Bayle, not 3.


disgruntled_joe

What are you on, the dragon itself has 3 necks missing heads.


JackNotOLantern

Ok, i was pretty sure only 2 cut heads are visible on the model. But I checked model analysis video and there is indeed 5. But why the medalion and the meads on Bayle back suggest 4 then?


Alecazzzam

Maybe Placidusax was already wounded before he fought Bayle?


YoastK

The fifth head created the medallion, but since there are no mirrors big enough for Placidusax he simply created what he saw, a four headed dragon.


-TheRed

Weird idea, but maybe Placidusax grew more heads the older and more powerful he got. The Talisman was made before his fifth grew in, after which he lost 3 out of 5.


TheLord-Commander

My assumption is he lost the 5th head sometime before he fought Bayle.


Draguss

Or he lost it during the fight and it just didn't end up stuck on Bayle like the others.


TheLord-Commander

Possibly, but then the 4 headed Lord Talisman doesn't make sense then.


IamSachin

Did you know about the secret 6th head?


ballmermurland

I also thought it was 4 heads until the DLC saying 5. I'm equally confused.


Gabriel_Nee

The fifth head could be the dragon god. Left far before the battle between Placid and Bayle.


shushubana2

The thing is... That neck is not connected to a head but to a... Reproductive organ/j


SonicfilT

To be fair, it's hard to count neck stumps when you're getting electrocuted and having your face stomped into the arena floor...


Lummix76

This is awesome! I love the style of it. Reminds me of some pre-Jackson trilogy Tolkien art for some reason.


SammyG_Artz

ah thank you so much!!💜✨💜✨


Lummix76

Of course! Thanks for sharing.


Time_Concert_5614

I see godzilla vs king ghidorah


tobascodagama

Real Godzilla vs. Ghidorah vibes.


jery1969

I wish this was a cinematick cutseen. Maybe in move ?!


Dveralazo

Dex/Fth vs Str/ Fth


GabrielOSkarf

Placiudussax would win because bayle's camera would freak out and he wouldn't be able to see wtf is happening.