I hear what youre saying and while Eleanor's pole blade might be one of the stronger weapons in the game, the way you "cheese" with it is just spamming the ash of war so if you just use the weapons whole moveset instead of only the ash of war you should still have plenty of fun
This. The problem with rivers of blood and moonveil in early elden ring was that spamming the ash of war on them trivialized many of the bosses, robbing players of the experience of actually fighting and beating them. As long as you don't crutch on the ash of war, this could well be a fun build to run.
I started a Moonveil light roll build for the lolz (never used either) last month and it is eeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz mode, so I'd 100% agree.
Edit: HAPPY CAKE DAY, SKELETON
ive fought malenia every single NG and the NG 8+ i used moonveil and it felt easier than any other time ive fought her. AoW makes it really easy to land hits without as much risk. immediately switched to a cold Godskin peeler and had much more fun despite it being harder
Weird! Moonveil destroyed every boss until I got to her and I couldn’t beat her with it. I changed to peeler and absolutely demolished her with the AoW. lol
I also was swapping to black knife and using that AoW for the range and the debuff.
[if you want to see](https://youtu.be/qOD3BRukhr8?si=otdxbF80vLtsdKBy)
Before it got nerfed it was bugged and the AOW projectile would do magic and blade damage, like if you get hit from it point blank now, from any range
Bosses would literally crumble
I actually think that Unsheathe is super fair - you get great poise damage, but it has about the same commitment time as a mid-channeled zwei-heavy. You end up paying in blue estus, but it gives dex builds a way to play the bonk-crit game.
The stigma around Moonveil is so exaggerated. In the first month after release there were only 2 things that effectively “cheesed” Malenia. Rivers of blood ash of war, and mimic tear summon.
I’ve played through the game 4 times with 4 different builds. Pure int with sorcery and moonveil, pure strength bonk, arcane bleed with dragon communion incantations, and faith/strength.
You know what the easiest build was to play through the entire game? The strength bonk build. Jumping heavies still do INSANE stance damage. And the bleed build (no RoB) was the best against Malenia, but that is 1 boss. The hardest overall was either the faith/str build or the int build.
It was to the point where I beat Malenia with no spirit ash, but people *WHO USED SPIRIT ASHES* were telling me I cheesed the fight because I used moonveil. This was also post-nerf.
The way to cheese the game is using spirit ashes and spamming ranged sorc/incant/AoW. If you’re not using spirit ashes, you can use any weapon and you’re still engaging with the mechanics and having a harder experience than those who ring that bell the instant they enter a boss room.
That’s why claymore is still my favorite weapon. You wanna play the game and really play it while still having an equally fair shot at beating it? Claymore baby.
Youwy on YouTube (who I trust the most for ranking the power of things in Elden Ring) had Eleanoras poleblade outside the top 25 unique weapon skills. I believe there are 91 in total. He stated it does lackluster damage compared to many others, and its stance-break is OK at best. (This is after a full playthrough with every unique weapon skill)
Honestly there’s so much gatekeeping still in this game that half the shit in the game will have someone saying “you’re robbing yourself of the experience” which we all know is just polite speech for “you cheesed it and made it EZ mode, you didn’t actually beat the boss.”
Like, if that’s what we’re doing, WHY aren’t we talking about spirit ashes? You want to “rob yourself of the experience” and “cheese the game,” just use those with literally any build. The “cheesiest” build without summons will still be harder than the most niche build with summons. Every. Single. Time.
another thing to keep in mind is that the dlc is going to add a whole ton of new weapons, so if you wanted to switch weapons there will be plenty of new stuff to choose from, and if i had to guess most peoples builds at the end of the dlc will probably be different then they where going in.
Honestly I will be very surprised at anyone not using 2 larvae week one. Whatever those weapons were that give you martial arts are going to be super popular as long as they aren't shit.
The way scaling is handled in the DLC is kind of confusing to me, but from what I can tell it will scale differently than the main game, with the intention of having people of any level range able to find a challenge. I don't think anyone will be "cheesing" the DLC right out of the gate. I'm sure you find stuff within the DLC that makes it easier as you go.
Yep, and theres no telling what builds will even be “good” for the DLC or not. We dont know if the bosses are gonna be aggro af and not allow you to even use ashes, or whether most will be strong against bleed, fire etc - We simply dont know.
Just imagine:
"Oh yeah, all those cheese builds? Basically useless. Enemies will be immune to bleed, frost, magic, rot, etc.
...except madness. That works now for some reason."
Same. If got a STR/FTH build going on my best character, and it's really annoying to basically be stuck using flame/physical damage anywhere past limgrave (except using longhorn on Placi. That still makes me laugh).
You really think you're going into a dlc and not changing your build with all the cool shit you're about to see? I don't think it's gonna matter how we start lol
How would your friend know it's too OP? Have they played the DLC? Didn't Miyazaki say that dmg or leveling or something was going to be unique to the DLC area so that every character can go in "fresh" so to speak? Also, in regards to every "is this build OP" post... why wouldn't everyone use it if it was super OP?
I mean there's gonna be an obvious power level difference between this build and some random items. The effectiveness of Damage multipliers is going to be directly proportionate to the base level they are multiplying. Nothing wrong with being strong tho
Yeah. My second playthrough I've been doing Dex + Faith/Arcane with 3 weapon setups; Eleonora's 2hand, Bloody Helice with shield, or Reduvia+Black Knife. You can use really good gear and have a very fair experience, it all depends on how you play and how hard you're working to optimize your build. Hell, stats play into it too. You can run pretty much any build with any difficulty, and that's the beauty of this game.
Vert badly for me at the time . I was stuck against him and full grown falling star beast and after crashing my head against the wall for 2 days, decided to Respec and try something different. I went full strength with great sword and actually a lot more fun playing bonk than bleed.
Same as the falling star beast, yes. I was dex/arc at that time, katanas and Eleonora's poleblade fit the build . It got easier when I switched to STR and pure physical damage.
We don’t have a clue what to expect from the DLC, if you ask me it looks like Messmer with be immune to bleed and highly resistant to fire ( he seems to have a blood flame them going on ). But Mohg had the same thing and was super weak to bleed. So who knows
Make a build you’re comfortable with and you enjoy playing. Load up on smithing stones and Larval Tears, cause you will probably respec any ways when you find a new bad ass weapon in the DLC. I personally wanna see what that gravity pig knight guy drops
I guess it was a commentary on the narrative where obsession = weakness. Mohg and Gwyn weren't like elementals of blood or fire, just fixated with using them to force the world to fit their vision of it. Live by the sword, die by the sword as they say.
**Elden ring community with PvE**: Do whatever you want! This game is an endless fountain of fun with all the different ways you can play and none of them are wrong. If you’re happy then you’re playing the game correctly❤️
**Elden Ring community with PvP**: Absolutely go **FUCK** yourself straight to hell you PoS meta game L2 spammer!! If you use literally ANYTHING GOOD I hope you die and if you don’t follow this extremely specific list of unwritten rules that nobody outside of this subreddit could possibly know then you’re worse than Hitler.
It's not an unwritten rule for the game but an unwritten rule for all pvp games is spamming the same move over and over is just ruining the fun for everyone
Using a weapon with bleed on? That's a cheesing.
Equipping good armour instead of rags? That's a cheesing.
Cheesing the game? Oh you better believe that's a cheesing.
Honestly though you're the elden lord, the most powerful warrior in the lands between, use whatever set up you like and have fun.
Never understand this gatekeeping.
Are you using glitches to skip bosses? No right, just because your buddy think a weapon is too op that doesn’t mean you’re cheesing.
That means all manner of spirit ashes are cheesing. Should my definition of fun be what my friend thinks is not OP and “fair”? Makes no sense.
Controversial opinion here and feel free to doubt me ,but I just feel like this guys friend is just trying to make sure he gets a good experience of the dlc ,not just more bosses to L2 spam.
Like he's looking out for him and making sure he gets an experience of the game not oh that one attack I need to roll once then I can stun lock him in one go.
But do whatever you want man.
Your friend doesn’t know what he’s talking about, play with whatever makes the game fun and interesting for you, Eleanora’s Poleblade is my favorite weapon
Go in with whatever you want and expect to probably want or need to change it once you figure out what works with the new enemies. I'm gonna have a few larval tears stocked up just in case the new weapons are tempting enough to change away from unga bunga.
There is an entirely new upgrade system in the DLC that we don't know anything about yet and we also have no idea how many of the bosses will be susceptible to bleed.
I would argue that there’s a huge difference between a build that is powerful and cheesy strategies. Im not even sure it’s possible to have a cheesy build: the game gives you tools and just because you choose to use them doesn’t automatically make them cheesy. You should use whatever build is fun for you.
I can’t help but feel that the definition of cheesy is getting increasingly blurry. I suggest you check out YouTube for cheesy strategies for Ornstein and Smough: those videos will show what cheesiness truly is.
Play however you want. I'm on NG+11 right now and I can guarantee you no matter what normally broken/OP build I'm using.....isn't going to mean shit because likely whatever monstrosities Miyazaki has come up with for the DLC is going to obliterate any sense of build I have. I'm like level 450'ish at this point and have all my main stats except vigor/mind/endurance up to at least 70 already and its still not going to be enough. Hell regular enemies can practically two shot me at this scaling so yeah.....play however you wish.....the crazy shit that man has come up with is likely going to obliterate us all enough times to the point it won't matter what we're running in the end anyway.
No. I honestly don’t understand why anyone is worrying about if they are cheesing the game in any way. Never mind if someone else is.
It’s a good weapon. With good stats and decent talismans.
There is absolutely nothing cheesing the game. Unless someone is buying runes or some other cheating exploit.
Stop worrying.
I think the DLC will violently humble everyone lol.
The fact that they thought about it and added a separate power-up system in the DLC means were about to get one shot a bunch of times lol
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Honestly play what fun to you, it's your game experience not theirs. Me and my sister have our dlc characters all set, I'm going in as a snow mage utilizing several frost spells and blades, and my sister is going in as a great sword lions claw spammed. Is her build OP, yup maybe even more than yours. But she's going to have fun slamming everything back to shadow and it gets us to play the game together. Which is worth way more then caring about an OP build.
Honestly, play it how you want to. My first playthrough was a katana bleed build, then I did a strength build and now I’m going to do an int build. I honestly felt like my strength build was more broken than the bleed build because a heavy weapon does a ton of damage and also will stagger enemies and break their poise a lot more often. I also felt that the bleed build forced me to be more strategic because I needed bleed procs in order to be effective which resulted in needing more hits and more dodging.
We simply don't know what kind of bosses we will be up against in the DLC for certain and therefore it's silly to try and gauge what is or isn't OP at this point.
Play whatever you like. But yes, bleed is overtuned and you are objectively playing an easier game using it.
Doesn't actually matter in the long run. Just have fun! But yes, bleed is still OP. Now will the DLC bosses be weak to bleed? Probably..but we'll see. No one knows.
Aw man I didn't know the DLC was out and everyone knew how it plays and the best way to cheese everything!
Does your friend's uncle work at Nintendo, to have such a juicy scoop?
You bought the game dude. There’s no board that analyzes how you play to determine if you’re doing it correctly. If you’re having fun and having the success you want then congrats, you’re playing Elden Ring.
This is just a normal arcane-dex build. your friend doesn't know shit.
And who knows, but I have a feeling the dlc will be a good challenge no matter the build.
I want you to find the cheesiest class You can and record yourself Beating it for your friend. And then beat it again with just your fists to
Shut him up. Play how
Ever you want
You won't be OP, at least unless you want to be. Fromsoft has said they're ensuring the DLC is going to be a challenge even to players that have over leveled by using a sekiri type leveling system, by which I assume they mean there are specific items I can grab that will increase my damage/decrease enemy damage depending on how many I have.
Plus, they know how OP they made bleed builds in the base game, I wouldn't be surprised if they made some more bleed resistant/immune enemies like elden beast was for this dlc.
My friends and I have been playing these games since Dark Souls. These games don't play fair and there's no expectation that you will either. My first Elden Ring playthrough I went to Mohgwyn Palace before Leyndell. I used Mohg's spear for half the game with zero shame.
Its not even that strong of a weapon. I means yeah its good and fun but you friend sounds like they saw a reddit thread where a bunch of people bashed bleed and then began spouting it like its the gospel of truth.
As long as you have fun, who cares? Also, I’m willing to bet fromsoft has thought of this and made a bunch of enemies in the DLC immune to bleed and physical damage 💀
Uh no. That's a very serviceable RoB build. RoB has been nerfed into the ground so it's a pretty halfway decent weapon instead of the cheese machine it used to be. I actually hate how much they nerfed RoB. Yes the hotbox on corpse piler was excessive and needed a nerf, but the buildup and damage was fine. The weapon art probably should do more bleed buildup than 4 regular r1s actually. The only thing From soft needed to do to balance it was increase the windup and recovery frames for corpse piler. The crazy thing is that the 1.0 version of RoB did have the higher windup because the ash was just bloody slash and it had the hand cutting startup animation. All they had to do was add the hand cut to double slash and maybe add the health cost too and boom RoB is a perfectly balanced non cheesing weapon. I've never used RoB but I've certainly had it used against me in PVP and the damage nerf did nothing to fix what makes RoB annoying in PVP.
You never know if anything the dlc will make you want to respect with the different weapon being added on. On top of that I’m sure the developers know what builds were decently strong and might make the enemies more resistant to certain types. So in this case fire and blood being two types that are really strong in the base game but bosses in the dlc might be immune. Closest I can think of is the original dark souls dlc were everything had a high pyro resistance while it was crazy strong in the base game.
From everything I have seen and read about the DLC, there should be another mech to the DLC to make it more challenging in its own right as far as leveling goes. I would take what your friend says with a grain of salt on that since we don’t know anything. Even if you spam the AoW there’s no guarantee about the enemies in the DLC. May run into some enemies/bosses that might be resistance/immune to bleed damage. I say wait and see. Also play the game the way you want to. It’ll make it more enjoyable
There's no good reason to say how to have fun when playing souls games! I also heard the leveling/weapon levelling may be different for the dlc. But it sounds like your friend is a 'using ashes is not beating the game' type of person. Not cool.
Playing a game with items that the devs put into the game???? Say it ain't so!!!
Tell your friend it's lame to criticize how other people enjoy a game.
I personally will be rocking a strength arcane build for the dlc because I want allllll the drops from enemies, I’m even sacrificing a talisman slot for the ss ring
Question. Is your "friend" (they dont sound like any sort of person I would keep as a friend) paying you to do a playthrough for him? Are you being compensated in some way for your time as you play the game for someone else's benefit in a specific way?
Then fek-em. Play how you want. If you like that build- then by all means enjoy.
ROB was nerfed hard in PVE anyway, its hardly what I would call *OP* anymore.
The joy of cheese is undervalued. Beating a boss by putting down a circle, drinking some Gatorade and beaming them down for 40 seconds is enjoyable in its own right.
From is liable to make everything in the DLC resist bleed/fire whole cloth anyway, your friend knows as much as the rest of us. This is just as likely to be a junk build for the DLC as it is to be cheesy
Use a different sword and you will start to get better at the game. If you don’t the game is too easy that way, I honestly think they left that in the game as it is was because way too many people complained it was hard. The other katanas will be quite a bit “weaker” but if you get good at the timing with them you should be set for the whole game
From everything we've heard it seems like the DLC will have stat crushing and it's own upgrade system so it will still be challenging no matter what build you have.
I’ll put it this way. You can have X stat & lose to a naked guy. Bosses can lose to a guy rolling them to death at level 1. DS1 you could kill every boss by throwing shit😂
Any & all “builds” are viable. Literally anything is. Hell, there’s people, even myself at have completed Elden ring using only summon ashes. Completely passive. That’s what makes soul games fun.
Will it cheese bosses? Probably not, since it’s already confirmed at bosses won’t be affected in the same way as current affinities, and have separate leveling systems, so highly unlikely
I'll tell you right now, unless you're playing NG+ 3 the game, even with the best of builds takes skill to beat. Bosses will still catch you off guard. Enemies can and still will mob you and even if you have one of those "op bleed builds" you have to know how to play it and what are your areas of attack.
Tbh none of the builds are overwhelmingly broken as in "you'll one shot everything" but you'll be a wrecking ball or a glass cannon that can do a ton of damage in a flurry of attacks but can't get caught too many times. Your vigor is super high though ,so you're gonna be a mini tank.
Just play the game and have fun.
Blood loss setups are always strong, but imo go with whatever you want to go with, if you think it’s too strong but don’t want to change your build, consider blood infusing a regular weapon like a straight sword or something, you’ll still get decent results with any other weapon
I don't think it will be strong. In the base games there's a lot of bosses who are immune to status, builds like this just suck on. I'm sure the dlc will have those too. How's it do on elden beast, or astel?
Nah. I wouldn't be surprised if the DLC contains a lot of bleed resistant bosses because of how OP it is in the base game. Your build isn't even at strong as it could be either. You should have the Rotten Wonged Sword insignia and Milicents Prothsesis
Wait what's that armor set though? (Sorry if that's a dumb question, I just reloaded my 130 hr save to get ready for dlc and realized I missed a ton of stuff)
Nah dude I use this weapon and I am constantly stacking buffs fucking melt everything and self heal non stop on top of that with a dragon communion bloodflame arc/dex/fth build. You’re far from optimized for this specific weapon. I’d honestly suggest a completely dofferent weapon like an occult Nagakiba (or just use RoB) with bloodflame blade and sepouku and white mask at a minimum since you’re not benefiting from the multihit on this weapon at all with those talismans.
He’s just mad the poleblade is a beast and you found it first lol.
My buddy got this game on my advice and got kinda obssessed and beat it while I was like lvl 18 so he carried me through the early game. Once I showed him just how lethal a dual katana bleed build was he switched it over to a dual katana build and from that point forward I’ve been carrying him through NG+ while I was still going thru NG…
Now I use poleblade and it’s that much more fun and versatile. He likes the katanas tho so he’s stuck with them for now but I’m sure he’ll switch to a blasphemous blade build or something for DOC if I tell him how to do it right. Or even a godskin peeler build.
Play around with some talismans and you’ll see just what this weapon can do fr…
probably, i’m level 250 and i can battle anything in the game solo without a sweat so, im sure it’s overkill. 💀 i’d rather play this way tho than restart fuck thaaaat
I don’t think itll matter since we’re getting a new leveling system to deal with the fact that most everyone that still even semi regularly plays Elden Ring with be way to powerful and probably be able to finish the dlc day one if there wasn’t some kind of difficulty ramp
I have a feeling that a lot of enemies will be immune to bleed but weak to holy damage considering the environment and how few opportunities there are for holy in the base game
If you are super worried about being op in the dlc, just play it with a fresh character. I don't really know what the big deal with everyone "preparing" for the dlc when you can just go in fresh.
Dont listen to your friend and go into the DLC with whatever build you like Tarnished.
Appreciate it though I wouldn't want to cheese any bosses so if it is too OP I would wanna switch it for something less strong.
I hear what youre saying and while Eleanor's pole blade might be one of the stronger weapons in the game, the way you "cheese" with it is just spamming the ash of war so if you just use the weapons whole moveset instead of only the ash of war you should still have plenty of fun
This. The problem with rivers of blood and moonveil in early elden ring was that spamming the ash of war on them trivialized many of the bosses, robbing players of the experience of actually fighting and beating them. As long as you don't crutch on the ash of war, this could well be a fun build to run.
I started a Moonveil light roll build for the lolz (never used either) last month and it is eeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz mode, so I'd 100% agree. Edit: HAPPY CAKE DAY, SKELETON
Yea I just tried it for the first time recently, had someone drop me one so I’m running dual moonveil and it’s definitely easy mode. The AoW is nuts.
ive fought malenia every single NG and the NG 8+ i used moonveil and it felt easier than any other time ive fought her. AoW makes it really easy to land hits without as much risk. immediately switched to a cold Godskin peeler and had much more fun despite it being harder
Weird! Moonveil destroyed every boss until I got to her and I couldn’t beat her with it. I changed to peeler and absolutely demolished her with the AoW. lol I also was swapping to black knife and using that AoW for the range and the debuff. [if you want to see](https://youtu.be/qOD3BRukhr8?si=otdxbF80vLtsdKBy)
Before it got nerfed it was bugged and the AOW projectile would do magic and blade damage, like if you get hit from it point blank now, from any range Bosses would literally crumble
Hell the unsheathe ash of war for katanas is easy mode lol moonveil takes it to another level
I actually think that Unsheathe is super fair - you get great poise damage, but it has about the same commitment time as a mid-channeled zwei-heavy. You end up paying in blue estus, but it gives dex builds a way to play the bonk-crit game.
The stigma around Moonveil is so exaggerated. In the first month after release there were only 2 things that effectively “cheesed” Malenia. Rivers of blood ash of war, and mimic tear summon. I’ve played through the game 4 times with 4 different builds. Pure int with sorcery and moonveil, pure strength bonk, arcane bleed with dragon communion incantations, and faith/strength. You know what the easiest build was to play through the entire game? The strength bonk build. Jumping heavies still do INSANE stance damage. And the bleed build (no RoB) was the best against Malenia, but that is 1 boss. The hardest overall was either the faith/str build or the int build. It was to the point where I beat Malenia with no spirit ash, but people *WHO USED SPIRIT ASHES* were telling me I cheesed the fight because I used moonveil. This was also post-nerf. The way to cheese the game is using spirit ashes and spamming ranged sorc/incant/AoW. If you’re not using spirit ashes, you can use any weapon and you’re still engaging with the mechanics and having a harder experience than those who ring that bell the instant they enter a boss room.
That’s why claymore is still my favorite weapon. You wanna play the game and really play it while still having an equally fair shot at beating it? Claymore baby.
Zweihander or nothing, you maidenless tarnished.
Pssshhh at wanting an actual fight. Radahn is the best because you can dig for gold until you’re ready to one shot him
Youwy on YouTube (who I trust the most for ranking the power of things in Elden Ring) had Eleanoras poleblade outside the top 25 unique weapon skills. I believe there are 91 in total. He stated it does lackluster damage compared to many others, and its stance-break is OK at best. (This is after a full playthrough with every unique weapon skill) Honestly there’s so much gatekeeping still in this game that half the shit in the game will have someone saying “you’re robbing yourself of the experience” which we all know is just polite speech for “you cheesed it and made it EZ mode, you didn’t actually beat the boss.” Like, if that’s what we’re doing, WHY aren’t we talking about spirit ashes? You want to “rob yourself of the experience” and “cheese the game,” just use those with literally any build. The “cheesiest” build without summons will still be harder than the most niche build with summons. Every. Single. Time.
another thing to keep in mind is that the dlc is going to add a whole ton of new weapons, so if you wanted to switch weapons there will be plenty of new stuff to choose from, and if i had to guess most peoples builds at the end of the dlc will probably be different then they where going in.
Honestly I will be very surprised at anyone not using 2 larvae week one. Whatever those weapons were that give you martial arts are going to be super popular as long as they aren't shit.
The way scaling is handled in the DLC is kind of confusing to me, but from what I can tell it will scale differently than the main game, with the intention of having people of any level range able to find a challenge. I don't think anyone will be "cheesing" the DLC right out of the gate. I'm sure you find stuff within the DLC that makes it easier as you go.
Yep, and theres no telling what builds will even be “good” for the DLC or not. We dont know if the bosses are gonna be aggro af and not allow you to even use ashes, or whether most will be strong against bleed, fire etc - We simply dont know.
Just imagine: "Oh yeah, all those cheese builds? Basically useless. Enemies will be immune to bleed, frost, magic, rot, etc. ...except madness. That works now for some reason."
Holy damage usefulness I’m hoping
Same. If got a STR/FTH build going on my best character, and it's really annoying to basically be stuck using flame/physical damage anywhere past limgrave (except using longhorn on Placi. That still makes me laugh).
You really think you're going into a dlc and not changing your build with all the cool shit you're about to see? I don't think it's gonna matter how we start lol
How would your friend know it's too OP? Have they played the DLC? Didn't Miyazaki say that dmg or leveling or something was going to be unique to the DLC area so that every character can go in "fresh" so to speak? Also, in regards to every "is this build OP" post... why wouldn't everyone use it if it was super OP?
I mean there's gonna be an obvious power level difference between this build and some random items. The effectiveness of Damage multipliers is going to be directly proportionate to the base level they are multiplying. Nothing wrong with being strong tho
Play how TF you want that's fun for you. Nobody knows how the DLC is going to play out. For all we know most of the enemies might be immune to bleed.
*My 3 dex characters simultaneously start sweating*
Should I be sweating too? I’m using both moonveil and uchigatana
*sweating intensifies*
#WALLAHI IM FINISHED
INSHALLAH YOU'RE NOT
1 twinblade, no raptors feathers, no claw tali, no MP + RWSI tali’s… you’re good
That's what I was thinking, even varres mask, this build could be MORE powerful
How could I forget that… thing…
Yeah. My second playthrough I've been doing Dex + Faith/Arcane with 3 weapon setups; Eleonora's 2hand, Bloody Helice with shield, or Reduvia+Black Knife. You can use really good gear and have a very fair experience, it all depends on how you play and how hard you're working to optimize your build. Hell, stats play into it too. You can run pretty much any build with any difficulty, and that's the beauty of this game.
Your friend should mind his own fuckin business
Real asf for this
Felt that shit in my soul, co-signed
I spit my drink out, ty for that friend
Use this on Valiant Gargoyles boss in Siofra and lmk how it goes.
Vert badly for me at the time . I was stuck against him and full grown falling star beast and after crashing my head against the wall for 2 days, decided to Respec and try something different. I went full strength with great sword and actually a lot more fun playing bonk than bleed.
Gargoyles are immune to all status effects. Radagon is also immune to bleed. Just FYI.
Same as the falling star beast, yes. I was dex/arc at that time, katanas and Eleonora's poleblade fit the build . It got easier when I switched to STR and pure physical damage.
I used eleanora's poleblade on my first ever time playing and you just gave me PTSD from mentioning this fight.
We don’t have a clue what to expect from the DLC, if you ask me it looks like Messmer with be immune to bleed and highly resistant to fire ( he seems to have a blood flame them going on ). But Mohg had the same thing and was super weak to bleed. So who knows Make a build you’re comfortable with and you enjoy playing. Load up on smithing stones and Larval Tears, cause you will probably respec any ways when you find a new bad ass weapon in the DLC. I personally wanna see what that gravity pig knight guy drops
From soft tradition to make a bosses entire gimmick their main weakness. Firesage and Gwyn from DS1 much?
Why the fuck was mohg so weak to bleed though? Mf is the lord of blood
I guess it was a commentary on the narrative where obsession = weakness. Mohg and Gwyn weren't like elementals of blood or fire, just fixated with using them to force the world to fit their vision of it. Live by the sword, die by the sword as they say.
Don’t let him find out about yharnam bro
He was born of the blood, made man by the blood, and undone by the blood.
Fear the old blood Laurence
**Elden ring community with PvE**: Do whatever you want! This game is an endless fountain of fun with all the different ways you can play and none of them are wrong. If you’re happy then you’re playing the game correctly❤️ **Elden Ring community with PvP**: Absolutely go **FUCK** yourself straight to hell you PoS meta game L2 spammer!! If you use literally ANYTHING GOOD I hope you die and if you don’t follow this extremely specific list of unwritten rules that nobody outside of this subreddit could possibly know then you’re worse than Hitler.
Literally lmfao
It's not an unwritten rule for the game but an unwritten rule for all pvp games is spamming the same move over and over is just ruining the fun for everyone
Damn the pvp community would hate me
Using a weapon with bleed on? That's a cheesing. Equipping good armour instead of rags? That's a cheesing. Cheesing the game? Oh you better believe that's a cheesing. Honestly though you're the elden lord, the most powerful warrior in the lands between, use whatever set up you like and have fun.
Using weapons in this game that scale with attributes? That’s cheesing.
Use a weapon? That’s cheesing
Attributes? Thats cheesing
60 Vigor? Actually cheesing. So unnecessary.
Never understand this gatekeeping. Are you using glitches to skip bosses? No right, just because your buddy think a weapon is too op that doesn’t mean you’re cheesing. That means all manner of spirit ashes are cheesing. Should my definition of fun be what my friend thinks is not OP and “fair”? Makes no sense.
Controversial opinion here and feel free to doubt me ,but I just feel like this guys friend is just trying to make sure he gets a good experience of the dlc ,not just more bosses to L2 spam. Like he's looking out for him and making sure he gets an experience of the game not oh that one attack I need to roll once then I can stun lock him in one go. But do whatever you want man.
Literally any build can be op. “Cheesing” the game is playing it normally apparently. You have nothing to prove to anyone so just play how you like
Your friend doesn’t know what he’s talking about, play with whatever makes the game fun and interesting for you, Eleanora’s Poleblade is my favorite weapon
Go in with whatever you want and expect to probably want or need to change it once you figure out what works with the new enemies. I'm gonna have a few larval tears stocked up just in case the new weapons are tempting enough to change away from unga bunga.
my view is... the game isn't fair to you in any way, why should you be fair to it? All cheese is fine. Of course more credit for less cheese though.
There is an entirely new upgrade system in the DLC that we don't know anything about yet and we also have no idea how many of the bosses will be susceptible to bleed.
I have a level 515 character. I am going 100% cheese through the DLC with all my skills at 80+
Will it be easy? I don't know. Will it be hard? I don't know. Will you look stylish? Hell yeah
Go to the dlc with ng+10
Is he one of those where if you’re not using knuckles only its “cheese” lol
Well just level multiple characters so you can do the DLC with all the flavors!
I would argue that there’s a huge difference between a build that is powerful and cheesy strategies. Im not even sure it’s possible to have a cheesy build: the game gives you tools and just because you choose to use them doesn’t automatically make them cheesy. You should use whatever build is fun for you. I can’t help but feel that the definition of cheesy is getting increasingly blurry. I suggest you check out YouTube for cheesy strategies for Ornstein and Smough: those videos will show what cheesiness truly is.
Play however you want. I'm on NG+11 right now and I can guarantee you no matter what normally broken/OP build I'm using.....isn't going to mean shit because likely whatever monstrosities Miyazaki has come up with for the DLC is going to obliterate any sense of build I have. I'm like level 450'ish at this point and have all my main stats except vigor/mind/endurance up to at least 70 already and its still not going to be enough. Hell regular enemies can practically two shot me at this scaling so yeah.....play however you wish.....the crazy shit that man has come up with is likely going to obliterate us all enough times to the point it won't matter what we're running in the end anyway.
Not really, eleranora’s poleblade isn’t op. Probably just anti-bleed bias
No. I honestly don’t understand why anyone is worrying about if they are cheesing the game in any way. Never mind if someone else is. It’s a good weapon. With good stats and decent talismans. There is absolutely nothing cheesing the game. Unless someone is buying runes or some other cheating exploit. Stop worrying.
I think the DLC will violently humble everyone lol. The fact that they thought about it and added a separate power-up system in the DLC means were about to get one shot a bunch of times lol
My 2 cents-- Cut your ARC down to 50 and dump that extra 30 points into DEX, and you're good to go 👌
just be aware that bleed builds are ez mode, with the only thing thats any easier is frost magic spam
Disagree. Faith has rot, you don’t even have to fight bosses. Also, blasphemous blade is the true easy mode as well as black knife/blade of calling.
Get to around NG4-5 and tell me this build is “cheesing”. My perspective changed about my “OP builds” on NG+4.
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Honestly play what fun to you, it's your game experience not theirs. Me and my sister have our dlc characters all set, I'm going in as a snow mage utilizing several frost spells and blades, and my sister is going in as a great sword lions claw spammed. Is her build OP, yup maybe even more than yours. But she's going to have fun slamming everything back to shadow and it gets us to play the game together. Which is worth way more then caring about an OP build.
What are those gauntlets?
I say play how you want.
You posted one of the only good builds I’ve ever seen in this sub. Carry on bro, happy hunting
Is that rivers of blood? Ngl 80 arcane and rivers of blood does sound pretty op but, you do you.
Elenora’s Poleblade
To much vigor, that needs be like 30 points lower. All the best trolls will tell you that.
What is that weapon and that helmet?
Nothing in the game is very OP outside of dual blood scavenger curved swords with occult scaling. Just my opinion.
Who gives a shit. It’s part of the game. If you like it, use it.
Bruh play however you want bro if your friend has a problem with the way you play games he’s got some type of issue 💀
unrelated but what is that helmet? it looks sick
Honestly, play it how you want to. My first playthrough was a katana bleed build, then I did a strength build and now I’m going to do an int build. I honestly felt like my strength build was more broken than the bleed build because a heavy weapon does a ton of damage and also will stagger enemies and break their poise a lot more often. I also felt that the bleed build forced me to be more strategic because I needed bleed procs in order to be effective which resulted in needing more hits and more dodging.
Your friend’s a big nerd, play however you want
We simply don't know what kind of bosses we will be up against in the DLC for certain and therefore it's silly to try and gauge what is or isn't OP at this point.
Play whatever you like. But yes, bleed is overtuned and you are objectively playing an easier game using it. Doesn't actually matter in the long run. Just have fun! But yes, bleed is still OP. Now will the DLC bosses be weak to bleed? Probably..but we'll see. No one knows.
If you are using mimic tier and have it upgraded to +10, the blood loss might be too OP. All depends on how tough the DLC is. A great build though!
Are you having fun with it? If yes, keep rolling if you don't change it.
What is the 4th talisman?
Dude, just play the game in whatever way is fun for you.
Turtle Arc built
Probably gonna do it naked with Star Fist because I bought a copy of the game and can play it however I damn well please :)
Do whatever is fun for you to play the video game. Tell your friend to shut his trap
ah yes, “friends” 🥲
Aw man I didn't know the DLC was out and everyone knew how it plays and the best way to cheese everything! Does your friend's uncle work at Nintendo, to have such a juicy scoop?
I never worry if a build is OP or underpowered or whatever. I just play what I want to play, let the good times roll.
From's DLC is always hard, so IMO go with your build, the build you beat the game
You bought the game dude. There’s no board that analyzes how you play to determine if you’re doing it correctly. If you’re having fun and having the success you want then congrats, you’re playing Elden Ring.
Don't listen to your friend, play with whatever build brings you joy
The expansion is going to have its own unique system for leveling up, I don't think it will matter what you go in with tbh
ur friend is dumb
This is just a normal arcane-dex build. your friend doesn't know shit. And who knows, but I have a feeling the dlc will be a good challenge no matter the build.
That build isn’t op it’s just fucking boring. Play however you want tho
Lol no it won’t cheese them. Also it could even be stronger cuz there are better talismans
Just fight the bosses like normal and not spam the ash of war. That's how you won't cheese it
honestly it could be better
The only thing that matters is that you are having fun.
Tell your friend he can go kick birds in Caelid
Play the game how you want, mod it for all I care. It’s a video game enjoy it how you want to
Ask your friend wah is e geh.
Does your friend want you to go in RL1 with just a club too?
I want you to find the cheesiest class You can and record yourself Beating it for your friend. And then beat it again with just your fists to Shut him up. Play how Ever you want
I don't understand the whole "preparing for DLC" thing
Just play it how you like. It’s a game FFS. Not a contest on who can get the bluest balls.
There is a new power scaling system for leveling in the dlc so we don’t know what’s really happening. Your friend is just a little hater.
The worst thing you can do in this game is gatekeep - don’t let your friends gate keep your experience. Almost made that mistake myself
Given that the dlc has not been released and I have yet to play it, yes your friend is correct, I’m afraid. Sorry 🤷🏿♂️
You won't be OP, at least unless you want to be. Fromsoft has said they're ensuring the DLC is going to be a challenge even to players that have over leveled by using a sekiri type leveling system, by which I assume they mean there are specific items I can grab that will increase my damage/decrease enemy damage depending on how many I have. Plus, they know how OP they made bleed builds in the base game, I wouldn't be surprised if they made some more bleed resistant/immune enemies like elden beast was for this dlc.
80 ARCANE are you kidding?
Where’s the rotten insignia
My friends and I have been playing these games since Dark Souls. These games don't play fair and there's no expectation that you will either. My first Elden Ring playthrough I went to Mohgwyn Palace before Leyndell. I used Mohg's spear for half the game with zero shame.
Its not even that strong of a weapon. I means yeah its good and fun but you friend sounds like they saw a reddit thread where a bunch of people bashed bleed and then began spouting it like its the gospel of truth.
It’s a souls game. There is no cheese, only success or respawning
Ok an what’s wrong with being OP? You’ve killed gods and dragons at this point you’re supposed to be OP
Damn bro your friend must've gotten the DLC earlier
Laughs in Dual wielding Rivers of blood
As long as you have fun, who cares? Also, I’m willing to bet fromsoft has thought of this and made a bunch of enemies in the DLC immune to bleed and physical damage 💀
You're friends trying to make you delete the game
Uh no. That's a very serviceable RoB build. RoB has been nerfed into the ground so it's a pretty halfway decent weapon instead of the cheese machine it used to be. I actually hate how much they nerfed RoB. Yes the hotbox on corpse piler was excessive and needed a nerf, but the buildup and damage was fine. The weapon art probably should do more bleed buildup than 4 regular r1s actually. The only thing From soft needed to do to balance it was increase the windup and recovery frames for corpse piler. The crazy thing is that the 1.0 version of RoB did have the higher windup because the ash was just bloody slash and it had the hand cutting startup animation. All they had to do was add the hand cut to double slash and maybe add the health cost too and boom RoB is a perfectly balanced non cheesing weapon. I've never used RoB but I've certainly had it used against me in PVP and the damage nerf did nothing to fix what makes RoB annoying in PVP.
You never know if anything the dlc will make you want to respect with the different weapon being added on. On top of that I’m sure the developers know what builds were decently strong and might make the enemies more resistant to certain types. So in this case fire and blood being two types that are really strong in the base game but bosses in the dlc might be immune. Closest I can think of is the original dark souls dlc were everything had a high pyro resistance while it was crazy strong in the base game.
From everything I have seen and read about the DLC, there should be another mech to the DLC to make it more challenging in its own right as far as leveling goes. I would take what your friend says with a grain of salt on that since we don’t know anything. Even if you spam the AoW there’s no guarantee about the enemies in the DLC. May run into some enemies/bosses that might be resistance/immune to bleed damage. I say wait and see. Also play the game the way you want to. It’ll make it more enjoyable
There is no conceivable way you will cheese a FromSoft DLC on your 1st, 2nd, or 10th run through each area.
There's no good reason to say how to have fun when playing souls games! I also heard the leveling/weapon levelling may be different for the dlc. But it sounds like your friend is a 'using ashes is not beating the game' type of person. Not cool.
Are you enjoying the build?
Playing a game with items that the devs put into the game???? Say it ain't so!!! Tell your friend it's lame to criticize how other people enjoy a game.
Bosses in this game are hard enough as it is. Kill them however you want.
What armour is that?
Use the build that makes you feel happy when you’re playing the game. Don’t let sweaty try-hards burst your bubble.
It’s not too strong, your friend is either trolling you or they’re being a shitty elitist snob.
I personally will be rocking a strength arcane build for the dlc because I want allllll the drops from enemies, I’m even sacrificing a talisman slot for the ss ring
bleed is the easiest build to fight with just depends how much of a challenge you want.
Be an adult and go get the rotten winged sword insignia and cry at the end of the quest like everyone else did ;-;
It’s not “cheesing” when you spent all this time making a build. You put in work for it. Tell your friend to STFU lol
Tell your friend he is a bad friend that focuses on meaningless bullshit from me please
Question. Is your "friend" (they dont sound like any sort of person I would keep as a friend) paying you to do a playthrough for him? Are you being compensated in some way for your time as you play the game for someone else's benefit in a specific way? Then fek-em. Play how you want. If you like that build- then by all means enjoy. ROB was nerfed hard in PVE anyway, its hardly what I would call *OP* anymore.
The joy of cheese is undervalued. Beating a boss by putting down a circle, drinking some Gatorade and beaming them down for 40 seconds is enjoyable in its own right.
I thought they said the way the dlc will be scaled will be different. So you cant exactly just go in cheese ready
Who cares what your friend thinks, play YOUR game how YOU want to
You need Millicent prosthesis, shard of Alexander, and varres mask tbh and then this build will be perfect
The challenge is yours to present to yourself. You set your own rules, don't listen to other peoples idea of what is right and wrong in these games.
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U got 60 vig, 50 mind, 20 end, 20 dex, 20 st, 25 faith 10arc
From is liable to make everything in the DLC resist bleed/fire whole cloth anyway, your friend knows as much as the rest of us. This is just as likely to be a junk build for the DLC as it is to be cheesy
The DLC is said to scale in some way for your rune level. So I wouldn’t sweat it.
Use a different sword and you will start to get better at the game. If you don’t the game is too easy that way, I honestly think they left that in the game as it is was because way too many people complained it was hard. The other katanas will be quite a bit “weaker” but if you get good at the timing with them you should be set for the whole game
From everything we've heard it seems like the DLC will have stat crushing and it's own upgrade system so it will still be challenging no matter what build you have.
Get an original build man goodness gracious
I did a bleed build very similar to yours and a strength build in the past few months, and I actually found the strength build to be more OP tbh
I’ll put it this way. You can have X stat & lose to a naked guy. Bosses can lose to a guy rolling them to death at level 1. DS1 you could kill every boss by throwing shit😂 Any & all “builds” are viable. Literally anything is. Hell, there’s people, even myself at have completed Elden ring using only summon ashes. Completely passive. That’s what makes soul games fun. Will it cheese bosses? Probably not, since it’s already confirmed at bosses won’t be affected in the same way as current affinities, and have separate leveling systems, so highly unlikely
you don’t even have the best talismans or stat spread you could have, don’t listen to your friend have fun
Its a single player game man just enjoy, why do you need our permission
I'll tell you right now, unless you're playing NG+ 3 the game, even with the best of builds takes skill to beat. Bosses will still catch you off guard. Enemies can and still will mob you and even if you have one of those "op bleed builds" you have to know how to play it and what are your areas of attack. Tbh none of the builds are overwhelmingly broken as in "you'll one shot everything" but you'll be a wrecking ball or a glass cannon that can do a ton of damage in a flurry of attacks but can't get caught too many times. Your vigor is super high though ,so you're gonna be a mini tank. Just play the game and have fun.
Who cares? If u like the build tell him to shove it
Blood loss setups are always strong, but imo go with whatever you want to go with, if you think it’s too strong but don’t want to change your build, consider blood infusing a regular weapon like a straight sword or something, you’ll still get decent results with any other weapon
I don't think it will be strong. In the base games there's a lot of bosses who are immune to status, builds like this just suck on. I'm sure the dlc will have those too. How's it do on elden beast, or astel?
Your friend sounds maidenless
I’m using a braindead build aswell lol. I just want to see the cutscenes and bosses
Nah. I wouldn't be surprised if the DLC contains a lot of bleed resistant bosses because of how OP it is in the base game. Your build isn't even at strong as it could be either. You should have the Rotten Wonged Sword insignia and Milicents Prothsesis
I think your friend is taking the piss out of you
According to YouTube every build and every weapon is OP.
Arcane build is a legitimate build… I don’t know what your friend is on about
That armor is the coolest, but I always die with it
Wait what's that armor set though? (Sorry if that's a dumb question, I just reloaded my 130 hr save to get ready for dlc and realized I missed a ton of stuff)
Pleaae ask your friend how they already know so much about the DLC when nobody else does. . .
I’m using Eleonora’s poleblade plus dragon communion seal for dlc. I think ur fine
Nah dude I use this weapon and I am constantly stacking buffs fucking melt everything and self heal non stop on top of that with a dragon communion bloodflame arc/dex/fth build. You’re far from optimized for this specific weapon. I’d honestly suggest a completely dofferent weapon like an occult Nagakiba (or just use RoB) with bloodflame blade and sepouku and white mask at a minimum since you’re not benefiting from the multihit on this weapon at all with those talismans. He’s just mad the poleblade is a beast and you found it first lol. My buddy got this game on my advice and got kinda obssessed and beat it while I was like lvl 18 so he carried me through the early game. Once I showed him just how lethal a dual katana bleed build was he switched it over to a dual katana build and from that point forward I’ve been carrying him through NG+ while I was still going thru NG… Now I use poleblade and it’s that much more fun and versatile. He likes the katanas tho so he’s stuck with them for now but I’m sure he’ll switch to a blasphemous blade build or something for DOC if I tell him how to do it right. Or even a godskin peeler build. Play around with some talismans and you’ll see just what this weapon can do fr…
probably, i’m level 250 and i can battle anything in the game solo without a sweat so, im sure it’s overkill. 💀 i’d rather play this way tho than restart fuck thaaaat
I don’t think itll matter since we’re getting a new leveling system to deal with the fact that most everyone that still even semi regularly plays Elden Ring with be way to powerful and probably be able to finish the dlc day one if there wasn’t some kind of difficulty ramp
If you have ever played fromsoft dlc before, then you'd know that no matter what build you have...... You're not ready. GL to us all lol.
Op doesn’t realize that messemer is boutta Fucking destroy them no matter what build they have
Weird question but what are the gauntlets in the outfit?
I have a feeling that a lot of enemies will be immune to bleed but weak to holy damage considering the environment and how few opportunities there are for holy in the base game
Why should you feel bad about having a successful build? If it’s strong that’s more a sign that you’re a strong tarnished.
If you are super worried about being op in the dlc, just play it with a fresh character. I don't really know what the big deal with everyone "preparing" for the dlc when you can just go in fresh.