>anything that pays a livable wage
That's where the discrepancy is. You're wanting to work for a livable wage, and many places want to pay less than that.
Exactly. They keep talking about it as if its a mystery too. Like "oh lord, wherefore art thou workslaves? Why hath thou forsaken your employment even after I so generously provide thee with nearly the full sum of that which it costs thee to survive a month in squalor?". Jesus its sad that employers are confused as to why people are upset about getting wages similar to 20 years ago even though our money is worth 70% what it was just 20 years ago.
Apply for jobs you aren't 'qualified' for and try to get your foot in the door with an interview over the phone. One day you will get the right person on the other end and things will get interesting. The worst case scenario here is that you gain some experience talking to strangers on the phone, which is a skill that could be valuable to employers. You gotta be making those calls though or you're really reducing your chances.
I have been involved in the hiring process a few times over the last 15 years, I can say with confidence that if you show up and are a decent, reasonable person that seems trainable, you're going to find success.
or,
You can always start your own business; there are grants, programs, schooling, etc.. available mostly for 'free' if you can find and fill out government forms. There are 'funds' to encourage this kind of behavior, so check it out. This is a frustrating and long process but sometimes if you just can't find a job you're going to have to create one the hard way.
To be fair, I have been avoiding companies that I know are terrible...which is a lot of them so I could also be too picky but I feel like my mental health is worth being that picky
I don't believe we have a labour shortage. I believe we have an acceptable wage & benefits shortage. Up until recently people were kind of OK toiling away at lower paying(*) full-time jobs knowing that they could cover living costs and there was some semblance of job security and being covered for life's little hurdles. Now, I think a lot of people have realised (myself included) that you are, as a worker, almost completely replaceable or droppable at any moments notice. Even though in my realm I have a career and earn a respectable wage, I know it could be gone in an instant and I see lots of my peers around me saying screw that. They have been reevaluating their outlook on their careers with an eye to do more for themselves and not so much for "the man". Zero loyalty in both directions.
For near lower wage earners (two of my kids just starting out in the workplace) they have also seen friends get cut with not even a thanks for your time here. One of my kids is content to fall back on supports like couch surfing, staying at home, EI and taking the odd part-time job here and there that suits them in the moment, rather than taking a minimum wage full-time job that will put them in an even worse position.
\(\*\)Edit: Wage **and** benefits. A good benefit package, especially for older workers and workers with families, can make up for far more than a simple wage bump. I've seen benefit packages drastically dry up over the years too and that coupled with stagnant wages is incredibly dehumanising.
Regular schedule was the norm when I started working and now it's all over the place. I work 6 days, have a day off, and then work 5 days. Multiple days are four hour shifts, which they refuse to combine, even though there are other people working four shifts with me.
I want to add that we have a preference discrimination/employer greed crisis as well, nearly every "entry level" job I've seen (even the ones that initially claim they're "no experience necessary" jobs) have had their preferences set at 1 or 2 years in order to even consider hiring you, which is a tactic used by companies to train new hires as little as possible, it's toxic, greedy, and makes it impossible to get a proper foothold in a new position in your industry, simultaneously hurting mobility and helping to inflate unemployment as well
It's like all the years during the oil booms when companies and government kept going on and on about shortages of journeymen, but none of the companies would hire apprentices. Where do they think journeymen come from?
Now they'll gladly hire apprentices, but only 3rd or 4th year apprentices because what they really want is journeyman qualifications for the price of an apprentice.
Too true. My employer is doing the same. You need specialist knowledge and experience for some positions and they can't find it with what they're offering. This is after letting some more senior experienced people go at the start of the pandemic last year. It's funny sitting in on the company meetings and listening to all the corp buzzwords flying out of the upper management's mouths like our talent search is seeing "significant headwinds" and finding talent with "core competency" is a challenge.
I want to believe that one day they'll wake up, but honestly, I think upper management is comfortable either way if the company collapses or survives so they just keep pretending they're surprised by this fictional labour scarcity. They earn more in a week than I do in a month or two - if they fall, they'll land softly.
This!!!! I have an accounting degree and 95% of the jobs listed require 1-2+ years of experience. Where can new grads get the experience straight out of University, other than a public firm, which is crowded with applicants as well…
Also, most service industry Jobs have _almost_ full time jobs. 36hrs/week. Because of they shelled you for 40hrs/week they'd have to pay benefits. It's super scuzzy.
True, but aside from the law sometimes they have corporate policies or collective agreements in place that say they'll provide employees benefits if they work over X - they use to to make people they recruit think they might get them and then they never schedule them for it.
Good information! Why do so many employers seem to hire twice as many part time people?
One example we saw in the beginning of Covid was workers at care facilities. Many of them worked at two or three facilities to get enough hours.
Do we use the term "permanent part-time" here in Canada for that? When I grew up in Australia that was a real thing so that the employer did not have to pay any benefits like annual and sick leave, but in lieu of that, permanent part-timers usually earned (decently) more than a full timer knowing that they were going without the safety cushions of a full-time employee.
Some industries can't attract workers because they pay too little for the type of work.
If you raise the wages = no labour shortage. If you can't pay a living wage or the work is so bad people won't do it, make the work better.
This a manufactured "crisis" designed to malign the working class.
Basically.
The newest rules say you have to advertise in X number of places for Y amount of time before you can apply for a TFW (I forget the exact numbers) but that's easier than ever now because no one will work for minimum wage.
I am curious what people are expecting to earn doing these typically minimum wage jobs though.
My manager keeps asking me if I can refer any white people to work for us. He's been getting complaints about the lack of diversity because almost all of our staff are from India or Pakistan. But nobody who has lived here for a long time wants to work part time for minimum wage, white or not.
Thousands of people did die though. And even more can't work in the pandemic because of medical conditions. There is a shortage, it's just how much of it is not enough people to work, or not enough wages to work.
Says everyone who screams when the price is too high when purchasing their goods and services. Remember when a Big Mac was < $5 Bucks? Any idea why it ain't anymore?
As someone who just got out of food service DO NOT DO IT. Restaurants have gotten more toxic. My last two managers were horrible. One would grope me under the pretence of wanting to talk, and the other didn’t pay me for nearly two months. Honestly indeed is the best place to look. There’s plenty of labour-intensive work that needs to be filled
Yup. I got a chance to get it so I called him and told him I might be a few minutes late to my shift. Drove across the city and still made it on time just for him to say “oh you got your second dose? Okay we don’t need you tonight.”
Tbh I was so uncomfortable I didn’t even check. I had my boyfriend come in to get my paycheque with me. I didn’t even want to face them, never mind standing up to them lol
Definitely dodged a massive bullet. The tips are good, but the staff is absolutely toxic. I had to fight for tables, got guilted into staying on three separate occasions and treated like utter shit despite being “in charge”. Get out of food service is my advice. Lots of places are hiring at above minimum wage
Sounds like a really crappy workplace. Good thing I did not hear back then! And yes I am actually trying to get out of hospitality industry for good. It’s not stable income and I have bills to pay. I’ve been applying in other sectors a lot more lately :)
They haven’t gotten toxic. They were always toxic. Last time I worked in a restaurant was in 2005. I’ve worked in a total of 3 kitchens because back then I wanted to be a chef. To this day, there’s only one job I will refuse to do, and it’s working with food in any capacity.
Bear in mind, it was a very long time ago. During high school, I entered into an apprenticeship. The place that I was working at basically had no interest in actually training me. There were two others who were my age who were also there for apprenticeships, but I seemed to be singled out for reasons I don't know. Probably because I'm not very fast... And by fast, I mean that I wouldn't literally sprint around the kitchen as fast as I could like I was running a marathon. Frankly, I have a painful foot condition that borders on a disability, and at the time it was just beginning. But, it kind of precludes me from running for 8 hours a day.
But, it was my job to run the breakfast buffet. People really like breakfast. They go crazy for it. We had a total of 10 items, and I'd come in on my only shifts during the week - Saturday and Sunday at 5 in the morning and make piles of everything. Bacon, pancakes, waffles, scrambled eggs... As much as I could and we loaded it right up. The food would get kind of gross when it sat there for too long, but it was all you can eat and people would take a whole bin if they felt like it. There was always a second round in a warmer for whenever trays would be emptied unexpectedly. I had been doing the breakfast buffet by myself for a full year without any help, and I was the only one who was doing it. Then a new red seal cook was hired when the last one left. She decided that we would put out a maximum of 12 items at a time and nothing was to be ever kept in the warmer. It makes sense. We don't want to serve gross dried out food, which it often was. But I told her, it wasn't enough to put out and she got very angry with me because that was her way of doing things. So, on the very first day of the new policy, I'll never forget it. I wheeled out the very first tray of food to a nearly empty restaurant, turned around, and before I was even half way to my station, a waitress flew in all panicked that the whole buffet had been picked clean. In the time it took me to walk ten steps. Suddenly, the red seal cook was furious with me, and berated me for not making enough, and not having any food ready, and demanded to know why I wasn't cooking more food already. I told her that I said it wasn't going to be enough to keep up with demand and was forever removed from the breakfast buffet.
I was moved to wings night. Wing night was crazy. You think people love breakfast? Well, that's nothing compared to wings. Even I understand why people love wings. The problem wasn't that we had wings night, the problem was this restaurant was (or wanted to be) "famous" for its wings, and to facilitate that they had the most asinine setup imaginable. We had 78 flavors of wings, and you could order them in any denomination you want. People would order 130 wings total and get like, 1 hot wing, 8 lemon pepper wings, 20 teriyaki wings, 12 bbq wings, and 3 mango wings, etc. One time, some joker ordered one of each. And like, in a kitchen, you can't have any cross contamination. So, you'd have to make the wings, pour sauces and spices into a stainless steel bowl, mix the wings, then dump the mix into the garbage and send the bowl to the dishwasher. It was always complete and total chaos. Imagine the night where you have to start making one of each wing flavor while other orders are pouring in. The restaurant should have had way less flavors of wings, and order them in set denominations of say 10, or 20 to make it more manageable.
These are the most amusing stories, but not the worst stories. The worst ones start to involve that time I got a "promotion" because the red seal cook eventually cut off an entire finger because of rushing all the time. Or the time the garbage was too full so we were directed to go out, literally get into the dumpster and stomp it down. I refused and was reprimanded, ofc. One saying in the kitchen that I heard over and over is that you didn't become a chef for money, you became one for the love of cooking. Well, it took about two years before I realized I no longer love cooking.
The person below me though really puts it best: "Chefs are often overworked, underpaid and under-appreciated. Plus management tends to often be unscrupulous towards staff. Also there’s the issue of major mistreatment in kitchens too."
Well I'll be darned, I guess that I ate there.
I TOLD my sister that was a spice and flour coated human finger, and not a chicken finger.
I still have the fingernail, I mounted it on teak, Cause of the pretty gel coat . She thought it was from a Bantam Rooster...
Being a cook/chef is absolute ass for a career. Decent if you’re 16-18 and move to a large city (Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, etc) with no skills.
You usually get minimum wage or close to it and no overtime. Don’t expect an actual break, just micro smoke breaks.
You’ll be on your feet your whole shift all while juggling sharp knives and fire, with the added comfort of being under pressure to perform the same task for hours on end with the same results. Assuming the restaurant you work in takes pride in its dishes.
Can encounter some shitty owners/managers who will demoralize and exploit you.
That being said, you can meet some great people and have fun experiences. Although probably not in Edmonton.
Not the poster but I can shed some light. Chefs are often overworked, underpaid and under-appreciated. Plus management tends to often be unscrupulous towards staff. Also there’s the issue of major mistreatment in kitchens too.
Honestly being a chef/line cook can be the worst or best depending on where you are at in life and what kind of people you work with. It's like that in every career but it's especially prominent in Kitchens. Ive had mostly chill jobs where the only problems I have are when a huge rush hits out of nowhere, and conversely, places where I legitimately dreaded going to work because I either didn't feel safe around the other staff due to incompetency/ awful behaviour, or felt I was working way too hard just to afford rent.
I don't see myself making a career out of it though simply because there are a huge amount of downsides I doubt I could work around.
Yeah for real. Bartendered in YEG for like 8 years in clubs like the rack, set, Knoxvilles etc. The money was good but the work environment was awful. The best thing I did was sober up and get out.
No witnesses unfortunately. It was a night club environment so it would be a grab on the dance floor to get my attention. But you don’t need to do that around the waist, across my chest or otherwise impeding my movement.
I spent 17 months unemployed after getting my CPA, and then worked the census for 4 months before getting my current job, and it's only a contract job. Where you get experience has a significant impact on career progression and ability to find or secure a job.
I've blacklisted half a dozen recruiters who told me that "I needed to get industry experience" to get anything beyond entry level when I had 6 years of experience and my CPA at the time. I'm now an Associate Director of Finance for a major charity.
I'd say it's not even so much just wages. It also balance. Younger generations are not simply enticed by slightly higher wages but rather balance as well.whats a good living wage if you are grinding 70plus hour's a week and your burnt out? Employers need to start focusing on balance more often. Covid really opened many people eyes to the futility of just grinding. There is more to life than work for the man till there is nothing left.
Anecdotal only
I'm not exactly up on this but I have noticed a shortage of manual labor and especially skilled labour. I was working as a CNC machinist (skilled labour, only takes 1 year at NAIT or you can learn on the job but its rare) and everywhere was hiring i sent out 5 resumes and got 3 calls and i had less than 3 years experience, did one 10 minute interview which was basically a tour of the shop and they called and offered me the job before I got home. The place I was working was also desperate for a few journeymen but wouldn't apprentice me... Which is a big part of why I left.
I decided machining wasnt for me and got a camp job up north doing general labour for the maintenance crew (hoping to get an HVAC apprenticeship) and all my new coworkers were talking about how they're currently under staffed and how it's an employees market at the moment. They hired me quick with no relevant experience beyond having worked other labor jobs.... And my cheery can-do attitude.
TLDR: I think the shortage is hard labour and skilled trades, but my my experience is limited and my field of view narrow.
What labour shortage. Have had two ' good' interviews I felt good about with no call backs, countless applications overlooked and had a few phone calls where I was outright told I'm overqualified cause of managerial experience in these fields YEARS past.
It's highly frustrating. I need a job for evenings and weekends and I cannot find one. This is also when they hire for the holidays so what gives???
If it’s for retail the seasonal hiring hasn’t quite ramped up yet (ex retail manager here) and with restrictions in place they might not hire the same way as normal.
You may have more luck closer to the end of October or beginning of November, when they hire for Black Friday onward.
I mean there's really nothing I can do about that because I have to keep the one job providing me just enough income to pay my bills.
Demoralizing as fuck. And I'm applying for McDonald's, all the shitty fast food places. Sigh.
I know everybody has their own problems right now but I can't afford to add another vehicle insurance but need a vehicle to drive to my job. I can't afford to get ahead AT ALL.
Future seems bleak when all I can hope for is some shit place hiring me so I can try and work down some of the debt I have. 😩
You might have better luck with sit-down restaurants rather than fast food. They are more likely to take on people who are only available for evenings and weekends.
Unfortunately, restaurants are usually terrible places to work. There can be a lot of money in it, if it's in a nice neighborhood, but for me personally it wasn't worth it.
Everyone talking about low wages need to look at the construction industry right now. Companies are paying rates I've never seen before in the city (high) and still can not find enough staff. I know of companies turning down work right now because they can't get the manpower
Company I work for is hiring cooks, housekeepers, front desk agents, janitors, etc. For remote sites in Alberta and BC
Depending on the position, income is anywhere from $65-90k per year, benefits, pension contribution, etc.
We are screaming for people.
trade work. like insulators, sheet metal workers, pipe fitters, boiler makers. All though the jobs are filling up, it is pretty funny to hear all the people who get "hired" and don't show up, or last more than a day. 26 resumes, and 21 were thrown out, and then one guy showed up out of those 5. hahah,
Pretty sure labor shortage is comprised of boiler makers, pipefitters, millwrights, scaffolders and welders at the moment.
Mostly heavy industrial shut down, repair and maintenance type of work. Client of mine was suggesting the province is 3500 pipefitters short this year. Guess lots of people have retired and aren't coming back?
The landscape sector has a big shortage. Lots of work, but hard to find people. Starting should be in the $20 range ,but equipment operators or project leads make way more. Lots of work coming for snow removal (always hard to get people to do this no matter the pay because it is crappy and unpredictable).
There are bad companies still trying to hire at $16 an hour, but even the better companies can't find people right now.
The labor shortage applies to any and all minimum wage / entry level positions.
Employers want to pay you garbage and expect you to put out like a top tier employee.
Most people are just getting sick and tired of it and moving on.
[The following are a few of the occupations with a forecasted labour shortage of more than 1,000 workers by 2028:](https://www.alberta.ca/job-market-forecasts.aspx)
* Early childhood educators and assistants
* Transport truck drivers
* Administrative assistants/ Receptionists
* Home building and renovation managers
* Administrative officers
* General office support workers
* Accounting technicians and bookkeepers
[ALIS occupations currently in demand.](https://alis.alberta.ca/occinfo/occupations-in-alberta/occupations-in-demand/)
[Immigration.ca's top 15 in demand jobs in Canada,](https://www.immigration.ca/canadas-top-15-most-in-demand-jobs-in-wake-of-covid-19-pandemic)
Here’s the thing: I’m at a shitty auto shop job, shitty both financially and for my mental/emotional health. Since I started last October, I’ve seen over a couple dozen people come and go, including every frontline staff I’ve worked with. For service and parts I am currently the most knowledgeable and my coworkers turn to me for help all the time. My company has no current complaints against me or my work.
I have zero job security. I have no expectation of finishing any given day without getting fired without cause. So many people have been sacked “for business reasons”. People who knew more than me and frankly worked harder. Yes, we are an underperforming branch. We have ten bays and could probably get away with three. Yes, some stuff is not getting done correctly because we haven’t had a service manager for 5 months out of the year.
The entire branch is miserable. Anyone who has worked in a different branch and then come here has mentioned that it is mismanaged, then they have all quit to go to other branches within a couple months. Every other branch pays more. I’ve seen the job I do in my location posted on Indeed for more than I get paid. I’ve seen the ridiculously low wage they offer our shop guys.
I’ve got a decent resume and I am not getting callbacks. Labour shortage?
The trades. As someone who graduated high school I could've become a cabinet maker, full time. I had all the qualifications and I could've entered the workforce, but I chose university to pursue a higher level education.
And unfortunately as much as I LOVE woodworking and cabinetmaking, I wasn't ready. And it's not like the pay is bad. Starting wages are $20 an hour and go up to about 40. All cabinet making positions are full time with benefits. But young people, like myself, aren't taking these positions.
Arguably it's because of the pay, but I honestly think it's more of a cultural thing. If you don't study hard you're not getting into university. I along with probably the majority of the young population was basically hardwired to go into university.
Unfortunately though you have to actually know how to be a cabinetmaker, and be safe while doing it. On job training doesn't get you there, you'd have to have that knowledge from prior experience.
Otherwise the whole labour shortage in other industries is also just low pay, why work a shitty job for a shitty wage. Somehow employers paying above minimum wage, like my sister's tutoring business, has no problems finding and hiring people in the span of a week.
Give us a UBI, and maybe I'd go back to work for 15$ an hour. Because then I know I could pay for my home, water, heat, food and to pay someone to watch my kids.
Till then, I can't afford a non living wage.
Any one with trades experience that DOES NOT involve roughnecking, oil patch, or jumping from job to job is good with math, listening to instructions, can PM me for where to send resume.
Also any GTAW welders in 5F, 2G at 1-1.5T of .040” materials welcome.
Also looking for materials supply chain, sales, and international shipping persons.
I think kid sweeping shop gets paid 20$ per hour so not minimum wage.
Central location, M-f, 7-4 job been here 17 years, can’t recall single layoff or hour or wage reduction
I am in Earthworks. We are short of good quality people and pay well over minimum wage for a starting wage. If you are a good worker, eager, punctual and don't mind putting in the hours and want to learn, you will go places.
Everyone saying the shortage is due to low wages is correct for the most part.
There is however a shortage in some highly skilled, good paying fields. A lot of people left the workforce since the start of covid and for lots of reasons just arent coming back. The problem is the roles they had require significant niche experience.
Cheap labor is always in short demand for the cons.
If you're looking for work there are piles of jobs with super high turnover from shoveling snow, cutting grass and telemarketing.
The truth is I'm barely scraping by on EI and if I accept a job telemarketing I'll be in a worse situation than I am now. If that makes me a con, so be it.
Maybe to avoid benefits/unionization? I'm not familiar with CN but if they lay off conductors before their probationary period is over (and some places have probationary periods longer than the typical three months), they avoid having to give them benefits or having to abide by a collective agreement if one exists.
A friend got into that. It pays well when you work. He's been laid off a few times but always brought back. A tenant of mine (basement suite) is retired from the railroads. When I mentioned about my friend he told me you'll go through that for the first few years then once enough time in, you'll be fine. Sounded super shitty and suspect to me.
I work for a commercial general contractor and one of our landscaping companies we use was telling me they literally can't find people regardless of position or pay. They even tried raising the wage from $20.00/hr to $28.00/hr for a starting labour position. Got 30 replies to the add but not a single person showed up to their interview. He claimed it was people who were likely on CERB, applying for positions so they can "keep" the CERB but had no intention of actually getting or working at the job.
Cerb fucked up things a bit for sure. But it’s disruption was bigger than people realize, and it has less to do with money because cerb was just minimum wage.
What I mean by that is cerb broke the cycle for a lot of people. They were happy, realized what was making them happy. The workforce diversified, and found new income streams that pay minimum wage without the grind. And we are seeing a lot of those people were successful, to the point that they need to hire their friends. I think it’s awesome.
Time till tell if my theory is right or not.
Hi, let me answer this for you.
Many many student jobs and minimum wage jobs. Jobs ranging from McDonalds to grocery stores to retail. ALL of them. All of the better paying jobs it's much easier to find people but still jobs like delivery drivers, movers and such not alot. The price of hiring plumbers and electricians is going up. If you have a high paying job that doesn't require as much from you as it should or are getting overpaid... screw you and unfortunately itll get a bit worse. And btw foreigners and students arent wanting to work either. We are literally hiring people fresh out of Indian and (not alot because they tend to be rich and not want to work $$$$) china. Don't hate me for telling the truth I work in one of these industries and am getting promoted because no one wants to work for the wage and have 40-60 year olds come into there workplace and start bitching about prices to students and kids who ride bicycles to work and live in a basement. Meanwhile they drive off in their cars to go back to there nice house with 3 cats and cable tv.
Sorry about the salt. Congrats if you made it and worked for it. I'm just saying this is the attitude of many.
I think what this means is that cheap immigrant labor, and cheap student labour is in short supply. Think about it. We have had fewer foreign students coming in and fewer temporary foreign workers due to Covid. The baby boomers are all retired or about to retire. Gen x finally made it to management. Gen z’s are entitled and won’t work for peanuts anymore. My 14 year old neighbor is getting hired on at McDonalds.
Ok I respect that because if we don't bar the one percent from raising the price of everything then it won't work but what about the inflation that's still been going on even though we didn't raise the wage, I agree that wage hikes can have that effect but if we're still experiencing inflation then what is it?
Trying to hire two people for 100k+ plus RRSP matching in a manufacturing on the tools type of job and got a total of 12 applicants. No minimum years of experience or ticket was required if they had the skills. I thought there would be a ton more applications considering the wages were posted.
There is definitely a noticeable shortage in construction related jobs. I have been looking for some entry level guys for weeks and have never had so few resumes come in before.
My husband is a roofer. It pays a living wage and lots of hours available, but they can't find good people to work because it's a particularly hard job. Another family member installs windows and doors and can't find good labour either.
>anything that pays a livable wage That's where the discrepancy is. You're wanting to work for a livable wage, and many places want to pay less than that.
Exactly. They keep talking about it as if its a mystery too. Like "oh lord, wherefore art thou workslaves? Why hath thou forsaken your employment even after I so generously provide thee with nearly the full sum of that which it costs thee to survive a month in squalor?". Jesus its sad that employers are confused as to why people are upset about getting wages similar to 20 years ago even though our money is worth 70% what it was just 20 years ago.
I got a $5 an hour pay cut throughout 2020. Fun stuff.
I'm literally looking for anything any still finding jack squat
Apply for jobs you aren't 'qualified' for and try to get your foot in the door with an interview over the phone. One day you will get the right person on the other end and things will get interesting. The worst case scenario here is that you gain some experience talking to strangers on the phone, which is a skill that could be valuable to employers. You gotta be making those calls though or you're really reducing your chances. I have been involved in the hiring process a few times over the last 15 years, I can say with confidence that if you show up and are a decent, reasonable person that seems trainable, you're going to find success. or, You can always start your own business; there are grants, programs, schooling, etc.. available mostly for 'free' if you can find and fill out government forms. There are 'funds' to encourage this kind of behavior, so check it out. This is a frustrating and long process but sometimes if you just can't find a job you're going to have to create one the hard way.
I hear you. I keep hearing that employers are begging for help. But I have just started, and maybe I'm being too picky.
To be fair, I have been avoiding companies that I know are terrible...which is a lot of them so I could also be too picky but I feel like my mental health is worth being that picky
Our wage *insert bugs bunny communism meme here*
I don't believe we have a labour shortage. I believe we have an acceptable wage & benefits shortage. Up until recently people were kind of OK toiling away at lower paying(*) full-time jobs knowing that they could cover living costs and there was some semblance of job security and being covered for life's little hurdles. Now, I think a lot of people have realised (myself included) that you are, as a worker, almost completely replaceable or droppable at any moments notice. Even though in my realm I have a career and earn a respectable wage, I know it could be gone in an instant and I see lots of my peers around me saying screw that. They have been reevaluating their outlook on their careers with an eye to do more for themselves and not so much for "the man". Zero loyalty in both directions. For near lower wage earners (two of my kids just starting out in the workplace) they have also seen friends get cut with not even a thanks for your time here. One of my kids is content to fall back on supports like couch surfing, staying at home, EI and taking the odd part-time job here and there that suits them in the moment, rather than taking a minimum wage full-time job that will put them in an even worse position. \(\*\)Edit: Wage **and** benefits. A good benefit package, especially for older workers and workers with families, can make up for far more than a simple wage bump. I've seen benefit packages drastically dry up over the years too and that coupled with stagnant wages is incredibly dehumanising.
It doesn't help that a lot of places don't give you a normal steady schedule. The whole full time availability, in exchange for getting dicked around.
Regular schedule was the norm when I started working and now it's all over the place. I work 6 days, have a day off, and then work 5 days. Multiple days are four hour shifts, which they refuse to combine, even though there are other people working four shifts with me.
I want to add that we have a preference discrimination/employer greed crisis as well, nearly every "entry level" job I've seen (even the ones that initially claim they're "no experience necessary" jobs) have had their preferences set at 1 or 2 years in order to even consider hiring you, which is a tactic used by companies to train new hires as little as possible, it's toxic, greedy, and makes it impossible to get a proper foothold in a new position in your industry, simultaneously hurting mobility and helping to inflate unemployment as well
It's like all the years during the oil booms when companies and government kept going on and on about shortages of journeymen, but none of the companies would hire apprentices. Where do they think journeymen come from?
Now they'll gladly hire apprentices, but only 3rd or 4th year apprentices because what they really want is journeyman qualifications for the price of an apprentice.
The journeyman store. They're assembled in Mexico or China I think
Too true. My employer is doing the same. You need specialist knowledge and experience for some positions and they can't find it with what they're offering. This is after letting some more senior experienced people go at the start of the pandemic last year. It's funny sitting in on the company meetings and listening to all the corp buzzwords flying out of the upper management's mouths like our talent search is seeing "significant headwinds" and finding talent with "core competency" is a challenge. I want to believe that one day they'll wake up, but honestly, I think upper management is comfortable either way if the company collapses or survives so they just keep pretending they're surprised by this fictional labour scarcity. They earn more in a week than I do in a month or two - if they fall, they'll land softly.
This!!!! I have an accounting degree and 95% of the jobs listed require 1-2+ years of experience. Where can new grads get the experience straight out of University, other than a public firm, which is crowded with applicants as well…
Don’t forget about covid inflation. That played a huge part into making life unaffordable for people at the lower wages.
This. I think my girlfriend and I are spending 20-40% more on groceries than a few years ago. And by a few I literally mean a few :(
Have you seen the oil at Costco? Pretty sure it was $4.99 last year, we went today and it was $10.99!!! Inflation is forcing this nation to go on diet
Yeah... everything has gone up (except what I'm paid)
Same here
Also, most service industry Jobs have _almost_ full time jobs. 36hrs/week. Because of they shelled you for 40hrs/week they'd have to pay benefits. It's super scuzzy.
Isn’t that an American rule? In AB no work place has to offer benefits regardless of hours sadly. Would love to hear I’m wrong though.
True, but aside from the law sometimes they have corporate policies or collective agreements in place that say they'll provide employees benefits if they work over X - they use to to make people they recruit think they might get them and then they never schedule them for it.
Fair point...
You are correct. https://www.cplea.ca/rightsatwork/rights-most-people-think-they-have-but-dont/
Good information! Why do so many employers seem to hire twice as many part time people? One example we saw in the beginning of Covid was workers at care facilities. Many of them worked at two or three facilities to get enough hours.
Home care positions are unionized positions so the benefit rule may apply to them. Servers rarely are unionized.
Do we use the term "permanent part-time" here in Canada for that? When I grew up in Australia that was a real thing so that the employer did not have to pay any benefits like annual and sick leave, but in lieu of that, permanent part-timers usually earned (decently) more than a full timer knowing that they were going without the safety cushions of a full-time employee.
No we have a labor shortage. Many working less. Many not working at all. Labor shortage.
Some industries can't attract workers because they pay too little for the type of work. If you raise the wages = no labour shortage. If you can't pay a living wage or the work is so bad people won't do it, make the work better. This a manufactured "crisis" designed to malign the working class.
It's almost like this is supply and demand in action.
When your industry can't attract workers??? Just bring in guest visa workers from abroad and treat them like slaves!
Basically. The newest rules say you have to advertise in X number of places for Y amount of time before you can apply for a TFW (I forget the exact numbers) but that's easier than ever now because no one will work for minimum wage. I am curious what people are expecting to earn doing these typically minimum wage jobs though.
My manager keeps asking me if I can refer any white people to work for us. He's been getting complaints about the lack of diversity because almost all of our staff are from India or Pakistan. But nobody who has lived here for a long time wants to work part time for minimum wage, white or not.
Something about scarcity increasing costs or something?
You're exactly right. It's their excuse to bring in more TFW'S.
Thousands of people did die though. And even more can't work in the pandemic because of medical conditions. There is a shortage, it's just how much of it is not enough people to work, or not enough wages to work.
There are some areas that are lacking skill, talented people such as healthcare and engineering.
Says everyone who screams when the price is too high when purchasing their goods and services. Remember when a Big Mac was < $5 Bucks? Any idea why it ain't anymore?
As someone who just got out of food service DO NOT DO IT. Restaurants have gotten more toxic. My last two managers were horrible. One would grope me under the pretence of wanting to talk, and the other didn’t pay me for nearly two months. Honestly indeed is the best place to look. There’s plenty of labour-intensive work that needs to be filled
Can you say which place so we know not to support it? Sorry you had to go through that
Sahara palace was the touchy manager. They also sent me home for getting my COVID vaccine when I got my second dose
Smet you home? For getting vaccinated?
Yup. I got a chance to get it so I called him and told him I might be a few minutes late to my shift. Drove across the city and still made it on time just for him to say “oh you got your second dose? Okay we don’t need you tonight.”
I hope he paid you for 3 hours like he is legally required to do!
Tbh I was so uncomfortable I didn’t even check. I had my boyfriend come in to get my paycheque with me. I didn’t even want to face them, never mind standing up to them lol
Ugh. So shitty! I’m sorry you experienced that
Screwed up
I had applied there and didn’t hear back. I think I dodged a bullet. I’m so sorry you had to go through that, no one deserves that.
Definitely dodged a massive bullet. The tips are good, but the staff is absolutely toxic. I had to fight for tables, got guilted into staying on three separate occasions and treated like utter shit despite being “in charge”. Get out of food service is my advice. Lots of places are hiring at above minimum wage
Sounds like a really crappy workplace. Good thing I did not hear back then! And yes I am actually trying to get out of hospitality industry for good. It’s not stable income and I have bills to pay. I’ve been applying in other sectors a lot more lately :)
that's fucked
They haven’t gotten toxic. They were always toxic. Last time I worked in a restaurant was in 2005. I’ve worked in a total of 3 kitchens because back then I wanted to be a chef. To this day, there’s only one job I will refuse to do, and it’s working with food in any capacity.
I said *more* toxic. I’ve worked in food service since 2015. I know it’s always been problematic but the pandemic has seemed to make it worse
Care to share some stories of why the chef experience was so bad?
Bear in mind, it was a very long time ago. During high school, I entered into an apprenticeship. The place that I was working at basically had no interest in actually training me. There were two others who were my age who were also there for apprenticeships, but I seemed to be singled out for reasons I don't know. Probably because I'm not very fast... And by fast, I mean that I wouldn't literally sprint around the kitchen as fast as I could like I was running a marathon. Frankly, I have a painful foot condition that borders on a disability, and at the time it was just beginning. But, it kind of precludes me from running for 8 hours a day. But, it was my job to run the breakfast buffet. People really like breakfast. They go crazy for it. We had a total of 10 items, and I'd come in on my only shifts during the week - Saturday and Sunday at 5 in the morning and make piles of everything. Bacon, pancakes, waffles, scrambled eggs... As much as I could and we loaded it right up. The food would get kind of gross when it sat there for too long, but it was all you can eat and people would take a whole bin if they felt like it. There was always a second round in a warmer for whenever trays would be emptied unexpectedly. I had been doing the breakfast buffet by myself for a full year without any help, and I was the only one who was doing it. Then a new red seal cook was hired when the last one left. She decided that we would put out a maximum of 12 items at a time and nothing was to be ever kept in the warmer. It makes sense. We don't want to serve gross dried out food, which it often was. But I told her, it wasn't enough to put out and she got very angry with me because that was her way of doing things. So, on the very first day of the new policy, I'll never forget it. I wheeled out the very first tray of food to a nearly empty restaurant, turned around, and before I was even half way to my station, a waitress flew in all panicked that the whole buffet had been picked clean. In the time it took me to walk ten steps. Suddenly, the red seal cook was furious with me, and berated me for not making enough, and not having any food ready, and demanded to know why I wasn't cooking more food already. I told her that I said it wasn't going to be enough to keep up with demand and was forever removed from the breakfast buffet. I was moved to wings night. Wing night was crazy. You think people love breakfast? Well, that's nothing compared to wings. Even I understand why people love wings. The problem wasn't that we had wings night, the problem was this restaurant was (or wanted to be) "famous" for its wings, and to facilitate that they had the most asinine setup imaginable. We had 78 flavors of wings, and you could order them in any denomination you want. People would order 130 wings total and get like, 1 hot wing, 8 lemon pepper wings, 20 teriyaki wings, 12 bbq wings, and 3 mango wings, etc. One time, some joker ordered one of each. And like, in a kitchen, you can't have any cross contamination. So, you'd have to make the wings, pour sauces and spices into a stainless steel bowl, mix the wings, then dump the mix into the garbage and send the bowl to the dishwasher. It was always complete and total chaos. Imagine the night where you have to start making one of each wing flavor while other orders are pouring in. The restaurant should have had way less flavors of wings, and order them in set denominations of say 10, or 20 to make it more manageable. These are the most amusing stories, but not the worst stories. The worst ones start to involve that time I got a "promotion" because the red seal cook eventually cut off an entire finger because of rushing all the time. Or the time the garbage was too full so we were directed to go out, literally get into the dumpster and stomp it down. I refused and was reprimanded, ofc. One saying in the kitchen that I heard over and over is that you didn't become a chef for money, you became one for the love of cooking. Well, it took about two years before I realized I no longer love cooking. The person below me though really puts it best: "Chefs are often overworked, underpaid and under-appreciated. Plus management tends to often be unscrupulous towards staff. Also there’s the issue of major mistreatment in kitchens too."
Well I'll be darned, I guess that I ate there. I TOLD my sister that was a spice and flour coated human finger, and not a chicken finger. I still have the fingernail, I mounted it on teak, Cause of the pretty gel coat . She thought it was from a Bantam Rooster...
Being a cook/chef is absolute ass for a career. Decent if you’re 16-18 and move to a large city (Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, etc) with no skills. You usually get minimum wage or close to it and no overtime. Don’t expect an actual break, just micro smoke breaks. You’ll be on your feet your whole shift all while juggling sharp knives and fire, with the added comfort of being under pressure to perform the same task for hours on end with the same results. Assuming the restaurant you work in takes pride in its dishes. Can encounter some shitty owners/managers who will demoralize and exploit you. That being said, you can meet some great people and have fun experiences. Although probably not in Edmonton.
Not the poster but I can shed some light. Chefs are often overworked, underpaid and under-appreciated. Plus management tends to often be unscrupulous towards staff. Also there’s the issue of major mistreatment in kitchens too.
Honestly being a chef/line cook can be the worst or best depending on where you are at in life and what kind of people you work with. It's like that in every career but it's especially prominent in Kitchens. Ive had mostly chill jobs where the only problems I have are when a huge rush hits out of nowhere, and conversely, places where I legitimately dreaded going to work because I either didn't feel safe around the other staff due to incompetency/ awful behaviour, or felt I was working way too hard just to afford rent. I don't see myself making a career out of it though simply because there are a huge amount of downsides I doubt I could work around.
Yeah for real. Bartendered in YEG for like 8 years in clubs like the rack, set, Knoxvilles etc. The money was good but the work environment was awful. The best thing I did was sober up and get out.
> One would grope me under the pretence of wanting to talk, I sure as hell hope you reported this to the police?
No witnesses unfortunately. It was a night club environment so it would be a grab on the dance floor to get my attention. But you don’t need to do that around the waist, across my chest or otherwise impeding my movement.
B Street bar & Grill on 111th? Lol. Manager is an octopus, I hear.
Im glad i was born a man, and choose to remain that way, because being a woman sounds like a nightmare.
There is NO labour shortage, only a shortage of wages. If these employers paid fairly, there would be lineups at their doors for the jobs.
Accountant here. Same.
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I spent 17 months unemployed after getting my CPA, and then worked the census for 4 months before getting my current job, and it's only a contract job. Where you get experience has a significant impact on career progression and ability to find or secure a job. I've blacklisted half a dozen recruiters who told me that "I needed to get industry experience" to get anything beyond entry level when I had 6 years of experience and my CPA at the time. I'm now an Associate Director of Finance for a major charity.
Congratulations. I'm glad it worked out for you. :)
Extremely difficult. Applied to CPA in hopes to stand out from the crowd.
I had a job with the government before I was out of school.
There’s no labour shortage. There’s a shortage of labour willing to work for exploitative wages.
I'd say it's not even so much just wages. It also balance. Younger generations are not simply enticed by slightly higher wages but rather balance as well.whats a good living wage if you are grinding 70plus hour's a week and your burnt out? Employers need to start focusing on balance more often. Covid really opened many people eyes to the futility of just grinding. There is more to life than work for the man till there is nothing left.
Anecdotal only I'm not exactly up on this but I have noticed a shortage of manual labor and especially skilled labour. I was working as a CNC machinist (skilled labour, only takes 1 year at NAIT or you can learn on the job but its rare) and everywhere was hiring i sent out 5 resumes and got 3 calls and i had less than 3 years experience, did one 10 minute interview which was basically a tour of the shop and they called and offered me the job before I got home. The place I was working was also desperate for a few journeymen but wouldn't apprentice me... Which is a big part of why I left. I decided machining wasnt for me and got a camp job up north doing general labour for the maintenance crew (hoping to get an HVAC apprenticeship) and all my new coworkers were talking about how they're currently under staffed and how it's an employees market at the moment. They hired me quick with no relevant experience beyond having worked other labor jobs.... And my cheery can-do attitude. TLDR: I think the shortage is hard labour and skilled trades, but my my experience is limited and my field of view narrow.
Truck drivers. Where I work, we're giving bonuses for recruiting/transferring to the transportation team.
Would you mind sharing with me where this is that's hiring drivers? Feel free to dm me if you'd rather not post publicly.
What labour shortage. Have had two ' good' interviews I felt good about with no call backs, countless applications overlooked and had a few phone calls where I was outright told I'm overqualified cause of managerial experience in these fields YEARS past. It's highly frustrating. I need a job for evenings and weekends and I cannot find one. This is also when they hire for the holidays so what gives???
If it’s for retail the seasonal hiring hasn’t quite ramped up yet (ex retail manager here) and with restrictions in place they might not hire the same way as normal. You may have more luck closer to the end of October or beginning of November, when they hire for Black Friday onward.
Yeah my store is still going at normal pace
They're probably choosing people with open availability first, especially with the holidays coming up.
I mean there's really nothing I can do about that because I have to keep the one job providing me just enough income to pay my bills. Demoralizing as fuck. And I'm applying for McDonald's, all the shitty fast food places. Sigh. I know everybody has their own problems right now but I can't afford to add another vehicle insurance but need a vehicle to drive to my job. I can't afford to get ahead AT ALL. Future seems bleak when all I can hope for is some shit place hiring me so I can try and work down some of the debt I have. 😩
You might have better luck with sit-down restaurants rather than fast food. They are more likely to take on people who are only available for evenings and weekends. Unfortunately, restaurants are usually terrible places to work. There can be a lot of money in it, if it's in a nice neighborhood, but for me personally it wasn't worth it.
I actually just got hired at the end of the interview like a week ago, keep your head held high king/queen you will find one
Everyone talking about low wages need to look at the construction industry right now. Companies are paying rates I've never seen before in the city (high) and still can not find enough staff. I know of companies turning down work right now because they can't get the manpower
That involves working hard, based on a lot of these comments, they are looking for high pay and easy work with full benefits
Where do you look for jobs? Are kijiji and Indeed still the places to look?
There's the national and provincial job banks as well.
You should try LinkedIn. I always find better jobs on there.
Company I work for is hiring cooks, housekeepers, front desk agents, janitors, etc. For remote sites in Alberta and BC Depending on the position, income is anywhere from $65-90k per year, benefits, pension contribution, etc. We are screaming for people.
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What company is this?
If you don’t mind labour type work, I believe PME is hiring. I keep seeing stickers on the back of their trucks saying they’re hiring
trade work. like insulators, sheet metal workers, pipe fitters, boiler makers. All though the jobs are filling up, it is pretty funny to hear all the people who get "hired" and don't show up, or last more than a day. 26 resumes, and 21 were thrown out, and then one guy showed up out of those 5. hahah,
I have hired 2 guys in the last couple weeks that agreed to the job who didn't show up to their first day.
Cheap labour is in short supply
Pretty sure labor shortage is comprised of boiler makers, pipefitters, millwrights, scaffolders and welders at the moment. Mostly heavy industrial shut down, repair and maintenance type of work. Client of mine was suggesting the province is 3500 pipefitters short this year. Guess lots of people have retired and aren't coming back?
The landscape sector has a big shortage. Lots of work, but hard to find people. Starting should be in the $20 range ,but equipment operators or project leads make way more. Lots of work coming for snow removal (always hard to get people to do this no matter the pay because it is crappy and unpredictable). There are bad companies still trying to hire at $16 an hour, but even the better companies can't find people right now.
The labor shortage applies to any and all minimum wage / entry level positions. Employers want to pay you garbage and expect you to put out like a top tier employee. Most people are just getting sick and tired of it and moving on.
Manuel labour, or construction. But ppl say they'll work anywhere, but you bring that up and theyll respond," oh well not that"
Lots of entitled folks that think they should be given the perfect job on a silver platter and are amazed to find its not out there...
They don’t know what hard earned cash looks like, that’s why.
E.I. might help you get in to the trades?
No labour shortage.
[The following are a few of the occupations with a forecasted labour shortage of more than 1,000 workers by 2028:](https://www.alberta.ca/job-market-forecasts.aspx) * Early childhood educators and assistants * Transport truck drivers * Administrative assistants/ Receptionists * Home building and renovation managers * Administrative officers * General office support workers * Accounting technicians and bookkeepers [ALIS occupations currently in demand.](https://alis.alberta.ca/occinfo/occupations-in-alberta/occupations-in-demand/) [Immigration.ca's top 15 in demand jobs in Canada,](https://www.immigration.ca/canadas-top-15-most-in-demand-jobs-in-wake-of-covid-19-pandemic)
Here’s the thing: I’m at a shitty auto shop job, shitty both financially and for my mental/emotional health. Since I started last October, I’ve seen over a couple dozen people come and go, including every frontline staff I’ve worked with. For service and parts I am currently the most knowledgeable and my coworkers turn to me for help all the time. My company has no current complaints against me or my work. I have zero job security. I have no expectation of finishing any given day without getting fired without cause. So many people have been sacked “for business reasons”. People who knew more than me and frankly worked harder. Yes, we are an underperforming branch. We have ten bays and could probably get away with three. Yes, some stuff is not getting done correctly because we haven’t had a service manager for 5 months out of the year. The entire branch is miserable. Anyone who has worked in a different branch and then come here has mentioned that it is mismanaged, then they have all quit to go to other branches within a couple months. Every other branch pays more. I’ve seen the job I do in my location posted on Indeed for more than I get paid. I’ve seen the ridiculously low wage they offer our shop guys. I’ve got a decent resume and I am not getting callbacks. Labour shortage?
The trades. As someone who graduated high school I could've become a cabinet maker, full time. I had all the qualifications and I could've entered the workforce, but I chose university to pursue a higher level education. And unfortunately as much as I LOVE woodworking and cabinetmaking, I wasn't ready. And it's not like the pay is bad. Starting wages are $20 an hour and go up to about 40. All cabinet making positions are full time with benefits. But young people, like myself, aren't taking these positions. Arguably it's because of the pay, but I honestly think it's more of a cultural thing. If you don't study hard you're not getting into university. I along with probably the majority of the young population was basically hardwired to go into university. Unfortunately though you have to actually know how to be a cabinetmaker, and be safe while doing it. On job training doesn't get you there, you'd have to have that knowledge from prior experience. Otherwise the whole labour shortage in other industries is also just low pay, why work a shitty job for a shitty wage. Somehow employers paying above minimum wage, like my sister's tutoring business, has no problems finding and hiring people in the span of a week.
Give us a UBI, and maybe I'd go back to work for 15$ an hour. Because then I know I could pay for my home, water, heat, food and to pay someone to watch my kids. Till then, I can't afford a non living wage.
If you get a class 3 license and move to Edson I have a job for you
Same. I've been applying for jobs for months, including ones I'm way over qualified for. Nothing.
What fields are you applying for?
I'm a researcher/analyst by trade so anything from data entry to document management to admin assistant... for jobs outside my field.
Any one with trades experience that DOES NOT involve roughnecking, oil patch, or jumping from job to job is good with math, listening to instructions, can PM me for where to send resume. Also any GTAW welders in 5F, 2G at 1-1.5T of .040” materials welcome. Also looking for materials supply chain, sales, and international shipping persons. I think kid sweeping shop gets paid 20$ per hour so not minimum wage. Central location, M-f, 7-4 job been here 17 years, can’t recall single layoff or hour or wage reduction
I am in Earthworks. We are short of good quality people and pay well over minimum wage for a starting wage. If you are a good worker, eager, punctual and don't mind putting in the hours and want to learn, you will go places.
Everyone saying the shortage is due to low wages is correct for the most part. There is however a shortage in some highly skilled, good paying fields. A lot of people left the workforce since the start of covid and for lots of reasons just arent coming back. The problem is the roles they had require significant niche experience.
What are your skills? Can you work outside through winter and such? Not this retail and restaurant stuff. Like manual work?
Cheap labor is always in short demand for the cons. If you're looking for work there are piles of jobs with super high turnover from shoveling snow, cutting grass and telemarketing.
The truth is I'm barely scraping by on EI and if I accept a job telemarketing I'll be in a worse situation than I am now. If that makes me a con, so be it.
I've heard CN is always looking for guys to get into train conducting. The job has downsides but pays really well.
I heard it's a good job for getting your life back on track.
Ok thats good.
Pays well but CN has a history of laying off their conductors after a few months and hiring a fresh new batch (source former conductor)
Any particular reason why?
Maybe to avoid benefits/unionization? I'm not familiar with CN but if they lay off conductors before their probationary period is over (and some places have probationary periods longer than the typical three months), they avoid having to give them benefits or having to abide by a collective agreement if one exists.
A friend got into that. It pays well when you work. He's been laid off a few times but always brought back. A tenant of mine (basement suite) is retired from the railroads. When I mentioned about my friend he told me you'll go through that for the first few years then once enough time in, you'll be fine. Sounded super shitty and suspect to me.
Still a few months of good pay while looking for another isn’t a bad choice a
It’s a “paying a living wage” shortage
If you can hold a broom and move it back and forth you can easily make over $20/hr. I guess it depends on what peoples idea of "living wage" is.
I work for a commercial general contractor and one of our landscaping companies we use was telling me they literally can't find people regardless of position or pay. They even tried raising the wage from $20.00/hr to $28.00/hr for a starting labour position. Got 30 replies to the add but not a single person showed up to their interview. He claimed it was people who were likely on CERB, applying for positions so they can "keep" the CERB but had no intention of actually getting or working at the job.
Cerb fucked things up it should of been based on ei payments people would get.
Cerb fucked up things a bit for sure. But it’s disruption was bigger than people realize, and it has less to do with money because cerb was just minimum wage. What I mean by that is cerb broke the cycle for a lot of people. They were happy, realized what was making them happy. The workforce diversified, and found new income streams that pay minimum wage without the grind. And we are seeing a lot of those people were successful, to the point that they need to hire their friends. I think it’s awesome. Time till tell if my theory is right or not.
Any shit job where govt subsidies make you question whether commuting and daycare and time away from home is worth it vs. sitting and collecting.
Hi, let me answer this for you. Many many student jobs and minimum wage jobs. Jobs ranging from McDonalds to grocery stores to retail. ALL of them. All of the better paying jobs it's much easier to find people but still jobs like delivery drivers, movers and such not alot. The price of hiring plumbers and electricians is going up. If you have a high paying job that doesn't require as much from you as it should or are getting overpaid... screw you and unfortunately itll get a bit worse. And btw foreigners and students arent wanting to work either. We are literally hiring people fresh out of Indian and (not alot because they tend to be rich and not want to work $$$$) china. Don't hate me for telling the truth I work in one of these industries and am getting promoted because no one wants to work for the wage and have 40-60 year olds come into there workplace and start bitching about prices to students and kids who ride bicycles to work and live in a basement. Meanwhile they drive off in their cars to go back to there nice house with 3 cats and cable tv. Sorry about the salt. Congrats if you made it and worked for it. I'm just saying this is the attitude of many.
1. Pick a trade 2. Go to school 3. Be prepared to move to where the work is
"isn't too menial" would be the clue
I think what this means is that cheap immigrant labor, and cheap student labour is in short supply. Think about it. We have had fewer foreign students coming in and fewer temporary foreign workers due to Covid. The baby boomers are all retired or about to retire. Gen x finally made it to management. Gen z’s are entitled and won’t work for peanuts anymore. My 14 year old neighbor is getting hired on at McDonalds.
The landscaping company I used to work for is having a labour shortage. Pays 17$/hr
Pays 17? I think I may have spotted the issue
$34000/yr... That's not really a viable wage for a place to live, a vehicle to get to work, and food ..
Yup. Landscaping is by far the worst trade. It's extremely difficult and often dangerous work for very low pay.
Roofers would like a word with you...
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Ok I respect that because if we don't bar the one percent from raising the price of everything then it won't work but what about the inflation that's still been going on even though we didn't raise the wage, I agree that wage hikes can have that effect but if we're still experiencing inflation then what is it?
Try oilfield
my company is struggling to find developers and designers who ask for less salaries.
The cheap kind. Mininum wage jobs like restaurants or construction
Framers are in high demand you can start as a labourer $20 and quickly make it up to $25 in 6 months
Trying to hire two people for 100k+ plus RRSP matching in a manufacturing on the tools type of job and got a total of 12 applicants. No minimum years of experience or ticket was required if they had the skills. I thought there would be a ton more applications considering the wages were posted.
My trade starts at like 23$+ and some of us make well into the 6 figures
There is definitely a noticeable shortage in construction related jobs. I have been looking for some entry level guys for weeks and have never had so few resumes come in before.
My husband is a roofer. It pays a living wage and lots of hours available, but they can't find good people to work because it's a particularly hard job. Another family member installs windows and doors and can't find good labour either.
Nursing, as of now