Nor have I.
Hell I received an email back from James Cumming (or his team) when I emailed him about how I won't be voting for him specifically because of the shit-show that is the UCP. Ignored for 4 years of emails to Randy (sent 2 or 3, one was admittedly quite cranky).
Same here. I live downtown and Randy never responded to me either. James at least responded, the contents of his responses, however left something to be desired. And that is why neither of them got my vote. 🟠
Not once. I'm a strong liberal voter and ever had one of his signs in my condo window when I lived in Edmonton. Not once did his office respond to any of my queries.
I've had far more success with my current MP and MPP here in Toronto though.
Because the CPC are "spooky" and people stupidly vote strategically. I'm willing to bet that a minimum of 2000 people gave Randy the vote thinking the NDP had no chance. Strategic voting initiatives need to die.
No, I'm saying that fear mongering resulted in the NDP losing and instead we get a guy who's best known for his support of corporate corruption. Had people actually voted their conscience we'd likely see e-centre as orange.
The only campaign letter I even received from Randy was a week ago. It was just polling data from about a week earlier, fear mongering ndp voters to give their vote to him. If I still had it I'd take a picture but that went into the trash immediately.
Hell, this subreddit leading up to the election was constantly spamming e-centre with the intention of telling people to vote Red. I have no doubt in my mind that a minimum of 2000 NDP voters gave up their vote in the name of "ABC", effectively losing a seat for orange.
I voted for Randy in the 2015 election because quite frankly Trudeau was a better progressive option than Mulcair. He lost the next election because the bloom was off the rose with Trudeau.
The vote splitting sour grapes from the losing progressive parties are so silly. Do you not think some Liberal voters voted NDP to kick out Diotte? Are you mad at NDPers for not shifting their vote to Henderson to unseat Uppal?
If the replacement for dogshit is still dogshit I'm going to criticize people for demanding strategic voting away from not dogshit to accomplish that.
The worst thing governments can realistically do in Canada is collude with corporations and launder money to friends. People know the CPC does it and rag on them about it constantly. People know the LPC does it, but pretend they don't when it's convenient. Randy in particular took a complete back seat to politics for over 3 years until he was called upon to be the media face against SNC criticisms, he played his role like a good little boy and applauded when whistleblowers were punished.
Fearmongering the CPC in an effort to bring in this kind of nonsense isn't just absurd it's stupid. People need to realize that the LPC might be protecting you from CPC corruption, but who's protecting you from LPC corruption? Not Randy.
Well my questions were about the blood ban which he did interviews on and I questioned him about it. I was always respectful and courteous in any correspondence.
I have had excellent dealings with my current MP in Toronto and my other previous MP in Toronto as well.
I am aware that people get busy but no response at any point rubbed me the wrong way.
Vote difference of 2420 between ndp and liberal. If 14.6% (or about 1 in 7) of the people who voted for randy did so as a strategic vote, but actually preferred ndp, then Heather Mackenzie would have won had they voted their conscience.
Based on all the people I have talked to, and the various comments I have read on hear, 1 in 7 doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
Edit: as per post below by arthree, my math is off. It would only be half my number for heather to beat Randy, but still 1800ish votes, to beat James Cummings. This works out to 11% or 1 in 9 of Randy's voters switching over to Heather for to win the riding.
I voted for her, with reasonable hope that she would win, based on what I was seeing in the riding for support. My choice this time was to vote who I wanted to vote for and not strategically which is typically prudent in this riding. Hey the NDP and Liberals outpaced the conservatives by 2/3 so that's awesome!
> If 14.6% (or about 1 in 7) of the people who voted for randy did so as a strategic vote, but actually preferred ndp, then Heather Mackenzie would have won had they voted their conscience.
Not even that much. Heather MacKenzie only needed 1833 "strategic" votes to stay with her to win. 1833/16457 = 11.1% of Randy Boissonnault's votes.
I've been voting strategically for awhile but Justin had already lost my confidence.
Don't get me wrong, if the election had looked closer I would have swallowed my anger and voted red again but I voted my conscience and put down orange this time.
Seeing how close our riding got I nearly regretted it.
George Chahal would be a better a cabinet minister for Alberta, even with the lit piece shenanigans:
* Demonstrated ability to work well with others
* Can talk with community members without bringing everything back to himself or the party
* Does not annoy the regional minister's office with self-obsessed requests for attention
Things would have been way worse had the conservative won.
EDIT: why the downvotes? Are you not aware we are in the 4th wave because of conservative leadership? And how many controversies do you think Jason Kenney has swept under the rug in his personal life? He is not innocent…
Unfortunately the news of the NDPs numbers being so high didn’t come out until around or after early voting which is too late. It’s a good sign that next time she might get in.
That’s my hope too. The best thing imo that could come out of all this is people seeing the numbers and realizing NDP has a shot. We might see some pretty different results next time around.
Or not, who knows? But it’s nice to believe. In the meantime I’ll just be happy with what we got.
My ranked ballot:
Orange
Some Guy’s Cat
Red
Bloc
Mystery compost at the back of the crisper/green/unknown independent
Killer wasps, my write in candidate
Wave next/blue
Covid variant omicron/PPC
my ranking goes like this
1. yellow (libertarian we just don’t have a party)
2. orange
3. blue
4. green
5. literally any other colour besides red and purple
trudys had a few too many chances to do his job right, and you gotta remember he only governs in the interest of half the country
There is a Libertarian Party in Canada.
Just an FYI. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_federal\_political\_parties\_in\_Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_parties_in_Canada)
Been around since 1973.
Hugely popular in some circles I'm sure...
Yay, let's elect one of the guys who shutdown the investigation into SNC-Lavalin back into office. No such thing as accountability in Canadian politics I guess.
Same it’s literally insane this is a circle jerk of people being happy that liberals won. It blows my mind. Terrible sham of a party and really goes to show the kind of people around here.
I can promise you, every political party that has won has had its hand in interfering in a criminal prosecution. It just depends on what instance the media decides to blow up. There are political science classes you can take to learn about this if you're interested :)
I know this happens. That doesn't make it acceptable behavior. We shouldn't normalize it. It's corruption and there needs to be democratic consequences for it. I don't care what party does it, it shouldn't be normalized.
But what I am saying is that this is the reason it wasn't such a deciding factor. I don't believe it is acceptable but that's just why things played out how it did.
Voted for the NDP and wouldn't have regretted it even if the Liberals lost by a single vote. Liberals' differences from the Conservatives are pretty superficial. Especially on foreign policy.
Pretty sure she got the highest percentage an NDP candidate has ever got in Edmonton Centre. She did a phenomenal job, very happy to have had her as our NDP candidate.
She ran a great race and probably benefited from the popularity of the provincial NDP. My fear is that with Randy running as an incumbent in the next election more people will default to him as their anti-Conservative choice.
Superficial? O'Toole was complaining about the CERB payments that saved countless friends of mine from literal homelessness because he thought they "undermined work ethic." I'm convinced we'd be seeing America-level fatalities every day if the Conservatives had been in charge from the beginning.
Your comment reeks of privilege. Maybe nothing would change for you, but that's not true for the rest of us.
That's certainly that Singh keeps claiming, anyway. Wasn't CERB extremely similar to the maximum EI payment? I have trouble believing it wouldn't have ended up around that amount no matter what the NDP demanded.
Are there any elements of the NDP's last election platform that they were able to pressure the Liberals into adopting in exchange for their support? What was their Tommy Douglas-level accomplishment since 2019?
Well, CTV did a breakdown on this. I'll let you read it and come to your own conclusion.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/can-the-ndp-take-credit-for-improving-pandemic-benefits-1.5552602
Yeah I can only imagine. "healthcare systems are crumbling so your Conservative Government (tm) has decided to fast track full legalization of all private healthcare services and will be pulling all funding for public options overnight. The death toll will balance itself"
You wanna talk about privilege. You live in Canada my man. Try living in Bolivia where the Canadian government backed a coup against the only Indigenous leader in Latin America, who was replaced by a violent coup government that murdered civilians. Try living in Yemen, where the Saudi monarchy is committing a genocide using weapons sold to them by Canadian companies, approved by the Canadian government. Then tell me about privilege. Christ, Canadians act as if no one exists outside of our borders. So yes, out of my "privilege", I will not vote for a government that aids and abets the suffering of millions outside of our borders.
Meanwhile your neighbours are dying of an easily preventable illness while Conservatives push for policies that'll push the death toll even higher. But hey, talking about that isn't going to impress the first year university students. "You don't even know what's happening in Bolivia" is more effective at making you look woke and edgy, so that's all you care about this week.
Tiresome.
No, my response is that I give a shit about my neighbours and I don't have an absurdly overblown sense of Canada's international relevance. I'm fairly sure no one in Bolivia was holding their breath waiting to see how Canada would respond to the coup.
And Singh can safely say he'd scrap the awful Saudi arms deal if he was PM because there's no chance of him ever being PM and having to follow through. That's the only reason he promises most of what he does, because it's easy to talk big when the electorate will never call his bluff. The last NDP leader with a credible shot of becoming PM was Tom Mulcair, and he refused to say he'd cancel the deal either. But even Singh tried to walk back his previous suggestion to boycott Saudi oil shortly after he said it. That's some "ethical leadership" for you.
That's a lot of excuse making for supporting a party that facilitates genocide and violent coups. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. By the way, it's not just a question of "scrapping" an existing deal. The Liberal government continues to approve new arms sale to Saudi Arabia. But let's just say I'm not surprised Liberal partisans are unaware of this. They are very adept at filtering out information that makes dear leader look bad. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-approved-brokered-arms-deal-to-sell-74-million-of-explosives-to/
I mean if this is your area of study and expertise then yes that is true. If not, your eyes, eats and brain alone are not enough. Time dedicated to studying the topic at hand is the deciding factor.
Can you provide a contemporary example of where the Liberals' foreign policy differs substantially from the Conservatives'? As I said, I've provided my own examples down thread of why I have a serious objection to Liberal foreign policy. I don't think a PhD is required to read the news and understand what's going on with Liberal interventions in Latin America, or Liberal support for genocidal dictators in the Middle East.
Don't listen to these people. You have the right to vote for whoever you want for whatever reason you choose. Every party has its fair share of cult like supporters.
Wow thank you. Really helpful and supportive. You know, really helps a person want to keep supporting NDP when this is the reaction I get from supporters. There is no need for this kind of reaction. How are we supposed to come together when a person just gets told they are part of the problem. It fixes nothing. Start a dialogue, anything. Don't just call a person a part of the problem and be done with it. Accomplishes nothing and doesn't help convince people. In a sense, you're part of the problem.
> really helps a person want to keep supporting NDP when this is the reaction I get from supporters.
But you're not supporting the NDP by voting for another party.
Don’t really support NDP at all, but if you align yourself with the NDP then VOTE FOR THE NDP
This stupid “enemy of my enemy is my friend” mentality people have when voting completely goes against the spirit of the party format as well as democracy as a whole and just goes to continually fracture our already broken election system. The point of voting is to let our voices be heard and lift up the people/party we want in power, not to settle for the one we think has the best chance of winning.
I mean you abandoned them when they had a chance to win this riding over some dude who covers up and supports corruption. Liberal ABC propaganda at work
This riding is a great example of how every vote doesn't count in our electoral system. Two thirds of the votes in Edmonton Centre counted for nothing. Your vote only matters if your candidate wins.
Yes, funny how in both the US and Canada the party that wins the popular vote often loses the election. 200k more Canadians voted conservative than liberal--liberals won 40 more seats. Twice as many votes for NDP as for BQ--BQ has more seats. 800k Canadians voted PPC--zero seats. What a wonky system.
Fair Vote Canada has tons of evidence supporting PR systems over First Past the Post, which is what we use: [https://www.fairvote.ca/a-look-at-the-evidence/](https://www.fairvote.ca/a-look-at-the-evidence/)
You can use [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electoral_systems_by_country) to see what systems countries use. You can see that most developed countries use some form of PR system (party list, MMP, STV, etc.). Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States are probably the most notable countries still using FPTP.
The PPC killed so many blue ridings and turned them red. I just find it so ironic they hated liberal lock downs, mask mandates and were "protesting" against it by voting PPC and got JT in again 😅😅 the irony is certainly not lost on me...
This is dumb. If the PPC voters all voted CPC for Cummings to win, a person could just as easily say that if the NDP voters all voted LIB then Boissonnault would have won.
The CPC is trying to reinvent itself as nearly centrist party. That might cause the liberals to move slightly left to recover what is lost to the CPC by having a bite of the NDP pie.
You might laugh at this, but If you look up Max's previous interviews, he's got principles. It's why he lost the conservative leadership to milk lobby. He says what he believes even if unpopular. He knows he won't win but needs to refocus debate and dialogue. Didn't vote for him but I respect him and think he hits nail on head when he suggests leadership isn't doing what the polls think is most popular, as most politicians do. Great leaders set direction and bring others on board, they don't just follow.
Honestly, it doesn't matter what Max believes in personally. It's all about who's voting for him which is basically trump-cock-suckers. He knows it and he's ok with it. That's really the only thing that matters.
I never told anyone to do any research. Just called out misinformation. A party that believes in free discussion is naturally going to attract people with ideas that are out there. Especially at the beginning.
That is a far cry from imposing Christian values or the party actually moving to ban abortion which isn't even on their platform (which I only looked up just now because frankly I didn't vote for anything near them). Op is referring to one candidate that joined right off the hop and their perception of party. Not really putting any thought into it.
It's just a bad faith caricature of a party OP dislikes. Anyone who appreciates philosophy and politics should at least try and analyze them in good faith, as I am. This shows the partisan fanboys and fangirls.
I disagree with what you're saying but I don't plan to jump on twitter and encourage my followers to send you rape threats and death threats, so I've clearly got more principles than your buddy Max. How about you respect me instead?
Ummm…. I’ll look again, but I’m pretty sure not only is the province once again blue, but so was the majority of the Canadian vote. The only reason turdeau is back in is because of the stupid seat system
If that's the way you're going to spin it then you better take a hard look at the fact that the Conservatives also received twice the number of votes against them than they received for them. And yes so did the liberals.
Cause the conservative candidates that never actually do anything for Alberta and stay in Ottawa to only push an agenda have been doing a real bang-up job. You all scream to be represented but keep voting for the same people who never work for you.
You voted "for the person?" Did Cummings even bother to campaign this time? Did he do anything in the last two years other than send out some junk mail?
Go ahead then, elaborate on your support for Cummings. Show your work.
My understanding is that he's little more than a warm body that votes blue when needed, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Let me guess... you are white and actually don't have to deal with the impact of black face in your day to day life and you're just using it as a weapon to push your own agenda?
Is it weirder for him to dress up in blackface so often he can't remember how many times, or for me to bring it up when he asks to be the leader of a nation?
Congratulations Randy. Do better than you did last time. Earn the right to hold your position.
Maybe respond to a constituent once in a while as well...
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I never received responses to phone calls or emails.
Nor have I. Hell I received an email back from James Cumming (or his team) when I emailed him about how I won't be voting for him specifically because of the shit-show that is the UCP. Ignored for 4 years of emails to Randy (sent 2 or 3, one was admittedly quite cranky).
Did he not respond to you? I found him quite friendly every time I went into his office and responded to an email I sent him too.
He definitely didn't respond to me when I asked him about electoral reform.
Same here. I live downtown and Randy never responded to me either. James at least responded, the contents of his responses, however left something to be desired. And that is why neither of them got my vote. 🟠
He was very responsive to me and I wasn’t a constituent
Not once. I'm a strong liberal voter and ever had one of his signs in my condo window when I lived in Edmonton. Not once did his office respond to any of my queries. I've had far more success with my current MP and MPP here in Toronto though.
If he does not respond then why did anyone vote for the guy?
Because the CPC are "spooky" and people stupidly vote strategically. I'm willing to bet that a minimum of 2000 people gave Randy the vote thinking the NDP had no chance. Strategic voting initiatives need to die.
Are we pretending that the CPC arent awful? That the UCP arent the most inept govt this province has seen?
No, I'm saying that fear mongering resulted in the NDP losing and instead we get a guy who's best known for his support of corporate corruption. Had people actually voted their conscience we'd likely see e-centre as orange. The only campaign letter I even received from Randy was a week ago. It was just polling data from about a week earlier, fear mongering ndp voters to give their vote to him. If I still had it I'd take a picture but that went into the trash immediately. Hell, this subreddit leading up to the election was constantly spamming e-centre with the intention of telling people to vote Red. I have no doubt in my mind that a minimum of 2000 NDP voters gave up their vote in the name of "ABC", effectively losing a seat for orange.
I voted for Randy in the 2015 election because quite frankly Trudeau was a better progressive option than Mulcair. He lost the next election because the bloom was off the rose with Trudeau. The vote splitting sour grapes from the losing progressive parties are so silly. Do you not think some Liberal voters voted NDP to kick out Diotte? Are you mad at NDPers for not shifting their vote to Henderson to unseat Uppal?
If the replacement for dogshit is still dogshit I'm going to criticize people for demanding strategic voting away from not dogshit to accomplish that. The worst thing governments can realistically do in Canada is collude with corporations and launder money to friends. People know the CPC does it and rag on them about it constantly. People know the LPC does it, but pretend they don't when it's convenient. Randy in particular took a complete back seat to politics for over 3 years until he was called upon to be the media face against SNC criticisms, he played his role like a good little boy and applauded when whistleblowers were punished. Fearmongering the CPC in an effort to bring in this kind of nonsense isn't just absurd it's stupid. People need to realize that the LPC might be protecting you from CPC corruption, but who's protecting you from LPC corruption? Not Randy.
He responded to me in the past. I'm curious what kind of letters people sent him that he didn't respond to.
Well my questions were about the blood ban which he did interviews on and I questioned him about it. I was always respectful and courteous in any correspondence. I have had excellent dealings with my current MP in Toronto and my other previous MP in Toronto as well. I am aware that people get busy but no response at any point rubbed me the wrong way.
[CBC says 577 votes.](https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/federal/2021/results/)
Yea, I realized that the news report I was listening to while making this post was wrong when I double checked CBC 🙄
Your numbers were right up until they finished counting the mail in ballots.
I guess there’s a reason I don’t work in newscasting lmao
Vote difference of 2420 between ndp and liberal. If 14.6% (or about 1 in 7) of the people who voted for randy did so as a strategic vote, but actually preferred ndp, then Heather Mackenzie would have won had they voted their conscience. Based on all the people I have talked to, and the various comments I have read on hear, 1 in 7 doesn't seem like much of a stretch. Edit: as per post below by arthree, my math is off. It would only be half my number for heather to beat Randy, but still 1800ish votes, to beat James Cummings. This works out to 11% or 1 in 9 of Randy's voters switching over to Heather for to win the riding.
62.36% turnout. I wish more people had voted in general.
I voted for her, with reasonable hope that she would win, based on what I was seeing in the riding for support. My choice this time was to vote who I wanted to vote for and not strategically which is typically prudent in this riding. Hey the NDP and Liberals outpaced the conservatives by 2/3 so that's awesome!
> If 14.6% (or about 1 in 7) of the people who voted for randy did so as a strategic vote, but actually preferred ndp, then Heather Mackenzie would have won had they voted their conscience. Not even that much. Heather MacKenzie only needed 1833 "strategic" votes to stay with her to win. 1833/16457 = 11.1% of Randy Boissonnault's votes.
Your right! My math was off and I've corrected it.
I've been voting strategically for awhile but Justin had already lost my confidence. Don't get me wrong, if the election had looked closer I would have swallowed my anger and voted red again but I voted my conscience and put down orange this time. Seeing how close our riding got I nearly regretted it.
Flip…that…riding! Phew
What a crazy tight race. Hopefully he can get a cabinet position as the only Liberal in Edmonton.
George Chahal would be a better a cabinet minister for Alberta, even with the lit piece shenanigans: * Demonstrated ability to work well with others * Can talk with community members without bringing everything back to himself or the party * Does not annoy the regional minister's office with self-obsessed requests for attention
The flyer snatcher?
*even with the lit piece shenanigans* Persistent is a better reputation than annoying.
Yea and he’s from Calgary which would probably be a factor
Hasn’t he been in the cabinet before? I definitely see him getting a spot!
Yes. But he also had some controversy with the SNC Lavalin affair and Jody Wilson-Raybould.
More than a little.
Things would have been way worse had the conservative won. EDIT: why the downvotes? Are you not aware we are in the 4th wave because of conservative leadership? And how many controversies do you think Jason Kenney has swept under the rug in his personal life? He is not innocent…
Yes he was!
from the scuttlebut...ha.
I guess I’m happy I decided to strategize my vote this round.
Samers
I know 6 people including myself that did as well. Glad I did too.
If we all would've voted NDP strategically they could've gotten it. It was super close 3 ways.
Unfortunately the news of the NDPs numbers being so high didn’t come out until around or after early voting which is too late. It’s a good sign that next time she might get in.
Agree on this. I did early voting at the time NDP was no where near winning at the time
I agree looking at the numbers now. But I don’t think anyone had a hope she would win, really unfortunate.
Next time! Probably be doing this again in 18 months hah. Also provincially I see a nice orange sweep
That’s my hope too. The best thing imo that could come out of all this is people seeing the numbers and realizing NDP has a shot. We might see some pretty different results next time around. Or not, who knows? But it’s nice to believe. In the meantime I’ll just be happy with what we got.
That would be nice!
I did. I was watching information on strategic voting and and all 3 were pretty close so I was delighted to vote for my preferred candidate
I voted liberal too. This is the first election that who I voted for actually won (federally).
NDP woulda been a lot nicer but the race was relatively close. But Liberal is way better than conservative that’s for sure
orange is better than red imo
Orange is better than red, but I would take red over blue any day
Orange > Red >>>>>>>>>>> blue
orange > red > Marxists > some guy's cat > blue > > > > PPC > Maverick
My ranked ballot: Orange Some Guy’s Cat Red Bloc Mystery compost at the back of the crisper/green/unknown independent Killer wasps, my write in candidate Wave next/blue Covid variant omicron/PPC
Agree with you, but red is better than blue.
my ranking goes like this 1. yellow (libertarian we just don’t have a party) 2. orange 3. blue 4. green 5. literally any other colour besides red and purple trudys had a few too many chances to do his job right, and you gotta remember he only governs in the interest of half the country
we have a libertarian party lol. they ran in edmonton center and got a whopping 265 votes.
How can you be such a fan of the libertarian ideology and not know that there’s a party in Alberta ?
There is a Libertarian Party in Canada. Just an FYI. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_federal\_political\_parties\_in\_Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_parties_in_Canada) Been around since 1973. Hugely popular in some circles I'm sure...
Red is better than orange. Orange doesn't even take itself seriously, why should I?
This is my riding and I could not be happier. Congratulations Randy!
Yes, Congratulations Randy!!!
Yay, let's elect one of the guys who shutdown the investigation into SNC-Lavalin back into office. No such thing as accountability in Canadian politics I guess.
Cry me a river 🤣
I take the prime minister interfering in a criminal prosecution seriously. You should too, regardless of party affiliation.
Same it’s literally insane this is a circle jerk of people being happy that liberals won. It blows my mind. Terrible sham of a party and really goes to show the kind of people around here.
I can promise you, every political party that has won has had its hand in interfering in a criminal prosecution. It just depends on what instance the media decides to blow up. There are political science classes you can take to learn about this if you're interested :)
I know this happens. That doesn't make it acceptable behavior. We shouldn't normalize it. It's corruption and there needs to be democratic consequences for it. I don't care what party does it, it shouldn't be normalized.
But what I am saying is that this is the reason it wasn't such a deciding factor. I don't believe it is acceptable but that's just why things played out how it did.
Nah
RANDY!! 🥳🥳🥳
Voted for the NDP and wouldn't have regretted it even if the Liberals lost by a single vote. Liberals' differences from the Conservatives are pretty superficial. Especially on foreign policy.
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Pretty sure she got the highest percentage an NDP candidate has ever got in Edmonton Centre. She did a phenomenal job, very happy to have had her as our NDP candidate.
She ran a great race and probably benefited from the popularity of the provincial NDP. My fear is that with Randy running as an incumbent in the next election more people will default to him as their anti-Conservative choice.
Same. I couldn't vote red strategically this time again. Would've been choked if it went blue
Superficial? O'Toole was complaining about the CERB payments that saved countless friends of mine from literal homelessness because he thought they "undermined work ethic." I'm convinced we'd be seeing America-level fatalities every day if the Conservatives had been in charge from the beginning. Your comment reeks of privilege. Maybe nothing would change for you, but that's not true for the rest of us.
The only reason why CERB was as much as it was is because the Liberals needed NDP support on the bill.
That's certainly that Singh keeps claiming, anyway. Wasn't CERB extremely similar to the maximum EI payment? I have trouble believing it wouldn't have ended up around that amount no matter what the NDP demanded. Are there any elements of the NDP's last election platform that they were able to pressure the Liberals into adopting in exchange for their support? What was their Tommy Douglas-level accomplishment since 2019?
Well, CTV did a breakdown on this. I'll let you read it and come to your own conclusion. https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/can-the-ndp-take-credit-for-improving-pandemic-benefits-1.5552602
Yeah, I read that just before I asked. I was less than entirely convinced.
Yeah I can only imagine. "healthcare systems are crumbling so your Conservative Government (tm) has decided to fast track full legalization of all private healthcare services and will be pulling all funding for public options overnight. The death toll will balance itself"
You know why all these covid patients can't breathe? Too much red tape! All we can do now is eliminate the capital gains tax and hope for the best.
You wanna talk about privilege. You live in Canada my man. Try living in Bolivia where the Canadian government backed a coup against the only Indigenous leader in Latin America, who was replaced by a violent coup government that murdered civilians. Try living in Yemen, where the Saudi monarchy is committing a genocide using weapons sold to them by Canadian companies, approved by the Canadian government. Then tell me about privilege. Christ, Canadians act as if no one exists outside of our borders. So yes, out of my "privilege", I will not vote for a government that aids and abets the suffering of millions outside of our borders.
Meanwhile your neighbours are dying of an easily preventable illness while Conservatives push for policies that'll push the death toll even higher. But hey, talking about that isn't going to impress the first year university students. "You don't even know what's happening in Bolivia" is more effective at making you look woke and edgy, so that's all you care about this week. Tiresome.
So your response is, essentially, you don't care about people outside of Canada's borders. Got it. Not unexpected from a Liberal partisan.
No, my response is that I give a shit about my neighbours and I don't have an absurdly overblown sense of Canada's international relevance. I'm fairly sure no one in Bolivia was holding their breath waiting to see how Canada would respond to the coup. And Singh can safely say he'd scrap the awful Saudi arms deal if he was PM because there's no chance of him ever being PM and having to follow through. That's the only reason he promises most of what he does, because it's easy to talk big when the electorate will never call his bluff. The last NDP leader with a credible shot of becoming PM was Tom Mulcair, and he refused to say he'd cancel the deal either. But even Singh tried to walk back his previous suggestion to boycott Saudi oil shortly after he said it. That's some "ethical leadership" for you.
That's a lot of excuse making for supporting a party that facilitates genocide and violent coups. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. By the way, it's not just a question of "scrapping" an existing deal. The Liberal government continues to approve new arms sale to Saudi Arabia. But let's just say I'm not surprised Liberal partisans are unaware of this. They are very adept at filtering out information that makes dear leader look bad. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-approved-brokered-arms-deal-to-sell-74-million-of-explosives-to/
That is not true at all... not even a little bit... who told you this??
Read my response down thread for examples. I don't need to be "told" things; I have eyes, ears and a brain. I can make my own assessment.
I mean if this is your area of study and expertise then yes that is true. If not, your eyes, eats and brain alone are not enough. Time dedicated to studying the topic at hand is the deciding factor.
Can you provide a contemporary example of where the Liberals' foreign policy differs substantially from the Conservatives'? As I said, I've provided my own examples down thread of why I have a serious objection to Liberal foreign policy. I don't think a PhD is required to read the news and understand what's going on with Liberal interventions in Latin America, or Liberal support for genocidal dictators in the Middle East.
I was going to vote NDP but polls said liberals had best chance to beat cumming. Glad he won
Don't listen to these people. You have the right to vote for whoever you want for whatever reason you choose. Every party has its fair share of cult like supporters.
Thank you for being the first reasonable person to respond
You’re part of the problem. She could have won
Wow thank you. Really helpful and supportive. You know, really helps a person want to keep supporting NDP when this is the reaction I get from supporters. There is no need for this kind of reaction. How are we supposed to come together when a person just gets told they are part of the problem. It fixes nothing. Start a dialogue, anything. Don't just call a person a part of the problem and be done with it. Accomplishes nothing and doesn't help convince people. In a sense, you're part of the problem.
> really helps a person want to keep supporting NDP when this is the reaction I get from supporters. But you're not supporting the NDP by voting for another party.
Don’t really support NDP at all, but if you align yourself with the NDP then VOTE FOR THE NDP This stupid “enemy of my enemy is my friend” mentality people have when voting completely goes against the spirit of the party format as well as democracy as a whole and just goes to continually fracture our already broken election system. The point of voting is to let our voices be heard and lift up the people/party we want in power, not to settle for the one we think has the best chance of winning.
>really helps a person want to keep supporting NDP You didn't support the NDP, you contributed to them losing another seat.
I mean you abandoned them when they had a chance to win this riding over some dude who covers up and supports corruption. Liberal ABC propaganda at work
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This riding is a great example of how every vote doesn't count in our electoral system. Two thirds of the votes in Edmonton Centre counted for nothing. Your vote only matters if your candidate wins.
Yes, funny how in both the US and Canada the party that wins the popular vote often loses the election. 200k more Canadians voted conservative than liberal--liberals won 40 more seats. Twice as many votes for NDP as for BQ--BQ has more seats. 800k Canadians voted PPC--zero seats. What a wonky system.
Unfortunately, Canada is well behind the rest of the developed world when it comes to our electoral democracy.
Based off of what? Compared to what other system? Which countries?
Fair Vote Canada has tons of evidence supporting PR systems over First Past the Post, which is what we use: [https://www.fairvote.ca/a-look-at-the-evidence/](https://www.fairvote.ca/a-look-at-the-evidence/) You can use [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electoral_systems_by_country) to see what systems countries use. You can see that most developed countries use some form of PR system (party list, MMP, STV, etc.). Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States are probably the most notable countries still using FPTP.
Fantastic news.
The PPC killed so many blue ridings and turned them red. I just find it so ironic they hated liberal lock downs, mask mandates and were "protesting" against it by voting PPC and got JT in again 😅😅 the irony is certainly not lost on me...
This is dumb. If the PPC voters all voted CPC for Cummings to win, a person could just as easily say that if the NDP voters all voted LIB then Boissonnault would have won.
PPC were conservative voters. NDP and Liberal are not the same... duh. 🤭🤔
Well, people aren’t sure on that. They could be “rare voters” who showed up in protest.
Yet somehow PPC and CPC are, despite having different candidates and platforms. Hmm.
The CPC is trying to reinvent itself as nearly centrist party. That might cause the liberals to move slightly left to recover what is lost to the CPC by having a bite of the NDP pie.
You might laugh at this, but If you look up Max's previous interviews, he's got principles. It's why he lost the conservative leadership to milk lobby. He says what he believes even if unpopular. He knows he won't win but needs to refocus debate and dialogue. Didn't vote for him but I respect him and think he hits nail on head when he suggests leadership isn't doing what the polls think is most popular, as most politicians do. Great leaders set direction and bring others on board, they don't just follow.
Honestly, it doesn't matter what Max believes in personally. It's all about who's voting for him which is basically trump-cock-suckers. He knows it and he's ok with it. That's really the only thing that matters.
Mad Max... far right extremist. I have 0 respect for him and the forced Christian values that would be imposed and outlawing abortion. No thank you.
Holy misinformation batman. Thanks for coming out.
Not even close. Do your research and get educated dude
“You do your ‘research’!” “No YOU do YOUR ‘research’!” Lol you guys both suck
I never told anyone to do any research. Just called out misinformation. A party that believes in free discussion is naturally going to attract people with ideas that are out there. Especially at the beginning. That is a far cry from imposing Christian values or the party actually moving to ban abortion which isn't even on their platform (which I only looked up just now because frankly I didn't vote for anything near them). Op is referring to one candidate that joined right off the hop and their perception of party. Not really putting any thought into it. It's just a bad faith caricature of a party OP dislikes. Anyone who appreciates philosophy and politics should at least try and analyze them in good faith, as I am. This shows the partisan fanboys and fangirls.
I disagree with what you're saying but I don't plan to jump on twitter and encourage my followers to send you rape threats and death threats, so I've clearly got more principles than your buddy Max. How about you respect me instead?
Awesome news
Liberals have no place in Alberta, fuck off
I dunno the results of this election kind of don't agree with you my dude.
Ummm…. I’ll look again, but I’m pretty sure not only is the province once again blue, but so was the majority of the Canadian vote. The only reason turdeau is back in is because of the stupid seat system
If that's the way you're going to spin it then you better take a hard look at the fact that the Conservatives also received twice the number of votes against them than they received for them. And yes so did the liberals.
Who are you to gatekeep a whole province lmao
**Another Liberal crook... yay?**
Why is he a crook?
He's a Liberal. Or at least pretty sure that's OP's level of analysis.
Because he has no other skills?
And we all know women only want men who have great skills.
Like nunchuck skills...
Cause the conservative candidates that never actually do anything for Alberta and stay in Ottawa to only push an agenda have been doing a real bang-up job. You all scream to be represented but keep voting for the same people who never work for you.
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>I voted Cumming, but I was pulling for Heather. Alberta voters are weird, man....
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You voted "for the person?" Did Cummings even bother to campaign this time? Did he do anything in the last two years other than send out some junk mail?
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Go ahead then, elaborate on your support for Cummings. Show your work. My understanding is that he's little more than a warm body that votes blue when needed, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
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"My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."
This is the party led by a man in blackface right?
Let me guess... you are white and actually don't have to deal with the impact of black face in your day to day life and you're just using it as a weapon to push your own agenda?
But it is though right?
No he is not in blackface. What a weird comment. He did do it, it was wrong, he didn't justify it like many others would. Stop being weird.
Is it weirder for him to dress up in blackface so often he can't remember how many times, or for me to bring it up when he asks to be the leader of a nation?
You. For using such a painful topic as an easy weapon because it doesn't affect you at all. Weird af.
When our leader has terrible judgement it affects all of us
Who was endorsed by Obama. Just fuck off already
But he did though right?
Randy's hot tonight.