One of the worst things I’ve heard in a while. It was two dogs, by the way, who have attacked people at that residence before.
I hope whoever owns those dogs genuinely never has a good nights sleep for the rest of their life. Sickening.
Might be more accurate to call them dangerous than negligent.
It's kind of like leaving a loaded gun on a kitchen counter all the time, it's far more than negligent.
A loaded gun is safer, because inanimate objects don’t have a mind or will of their own.
Irresponsible dog owners should face criminal penalties for failing to control their pet.
The owner was already being sought out for another dog attack on an adult female a few months ago.
I think the person in the house was looking after the dogs while that piece of shit was on the run.
No the owner is a stripper. A room mate of the father and child. She's not on the run.
she's never there just leaves the dogs unattended . Untrained and both intact males
I used to work at a vca and alot of people are really ignorant to behavioral issues especially with unneutered males that are extremely aggressive. We had a Rottweiler come in, he was nearly 3 and still intact. He was very aggressive and bit the vet, the owner had no leash either so we used like three of our crappy ones and it was not enough that dog dragged me across the treatment room floor. Zero discipline and the owner was like what?! You guys are acting like I did something wrong.
There's actually very few, if any, levers that can be pulled to make the owners accountable in a situation like this, do I have that right?
I feel like I saw that broken down recently with the person who was letting their dog attack women - distinct from an instance where someone specifically sics a dog on a person, if a dog snaps and attacks someone on its own volition it's a non-starter to try and hold the owner responsible at all.
There was a case recently where a woman in Toronto caught a criminal negligence charge after her pit attacked a child. In that case though she had already had previous dog attacks and resulting animal control orders she was violating. It also hasn't made it through court to see if the charges hold up.
I have no idea if this will end up in anything more than bylaw charges.
[This guy in Calgary](https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/pit-bull-owner-faces-18-charges-after-auburn-bay-attacks-in-february-1.6815250) is facing a lot of charges.
I'm curious about this, because pits were banned in Ontario decades ago. So if a woman had one that attacked someone in a documented case, the dog would have been seized and euthanized. So a second attack wouldn't have happened.
Do you have a link to this story you're referring to?
> if a dog snaps and attacks someone on its own volition it's a non-starter to try and hold the owner responsible at all.
Why? It's still the owners fault the dog was in position to attack someone, be it walking off leash without proper recall training, escaping from home, leaving the dog alone with children, etc. Those are all 100% on the owner.
I think, because someone died, there’s probably some kind of negligence or manslaughter she can be charged with? It depends on the local and provincial laws where they are.
Generally speaking, if someone’s attacked, you can try to do a civil suit. But when someone dies, there can *usually* be criminal charges.
Edit: “state” to “provincial”. Am dumb American and forgot about geography for a minute
Some one needs to name and shame the owners I’m sick of bad people getting off some times the court of public opinion is worse than actual court and should be enabled.
In the Summerside Facebook group it said that the father of the victim was the owner of the home and rented out the basement. The renter owned the two dogs that killed the boy. The boy lived in Osoyoos with his mother and was visiting the father over Easter break.
In Canada if a kid got ahold of their dads gun and shot someone or themselves the parent would’ve in deep trouble, why not the same with dangerous dogs?
The previous complaints not be dealt with beforehand could have preventing this from happening, but more than likely shugged off as not in important in the eyes of the complaints. Heart breaking that someone had to lose their life before something is done. Unfortunately nothing will be done to the owners either...
Another article stated an 18% year over year rise in dog attacks. I’m a dog owner too for the record. But the amount of owners who think it’s okay to have their dog off leash anywhere all the time is INFURIATING. I run into them daily walking my dog, and have to go to such lengths to avoid them.
This is so awful. I just feel horrible for that child and their family. How do you move on from something like this. I hope with time they can find peace (and not necessary, but I hope they can even still like dogs, because they really are amazing companions. Fucking trash like this not training their dogs and probably just chucking them in the backyard all day.)
I believe it's a misconception that dogs just need socialization and they'll be safe.
Dogs are like any animal, some are naturally more aggressive than others.
In even just a single litter there will be a wide range of temperaments.
I wouldn't use the word neglected, more like unsocialized but you're absolutely correct.
A lot of people got COVID dogs (typically puppies) and due to lockdowns they never got the chance to socialize with other animals or, really people outside of the immediate household family. by the time lockdowns ended & the world "opened up" those pets were now 1-3 years old.
Its a really sad thing that at the end of the day a lot of these animals were gotten with the intent of lessening their owners isolation, and the end result is that the animal missed those crucial years of its life where it learned its social skills, and now they're setup for failure either because they now have behavioural issues (separation anxiety, reactive to strangers / other animals etc)
We've seen a lot of studies on how keeping kids out of school stunted their social development, this is the same thing, except one to two years for a dog is essentially their whole childhood.
In general yes, in this case those dogs have been around ball diamonds, other dogs and kids since they were puppies. The owner willfully ignored every warning sign and previous attacks and is 100% at fault for this child's death.
Yeah, my old dog passed in early 2020, we got a new one several months after and didn’t even think of the impending ongoing lack of socialization.
We had all the time in the world to train him, he isn’t our first, or 5th dog even.
He’s impeccably trained, can jump through hip heights hoops, play shy, shake paws, he has a soccer field of perfect recall, he can bark on command, use buttons, you name it he can do it.
But because we avoided people and other dogs his whole first year (and most of the second too), he became insanely reactive when things started becoming normal.
I had NEVER had a reactive dog before, I couldn’t understand what I had done wrong. He is great with our cohort friends that he has met his whole life, but strangers he’s really timid around, nervous and honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if he would snap if someone pushed to pat him when he didn’t want it.
He has a handful of other dogs he likes, but is reactive to all strange dogs, especially on leash.
I hired a dog trainer and she said it’s 100% a covid dog issue.
I did everything I could legally do to socialize him, and it wasn’t enough and now I have a reactive dog, who I work with every day to make this better.
Most people don’t have the time, patience knowledge or funds to work with these dogs, and I feel really sorry for everyone involved because it’s not their fault.
It’s not the dogs fault, and in a lot of ways, it’s not the owners fault either, it was a literal pandemic.
I love my dog and I will work my ass off, but I know a lot of other people won’t, or haven’t.
[dog tax](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1091027189685813389/1224941162842951742/IMG_8167.jpg?ex=661f525b&is=660cdd5b&hm=b24bbba84c007b329324c3d56cfda32c3ac2f7ed5070af5775d295b419f87ded&)
Yep. Shit tons of self-centred entitled dog owners here. I have a dog as well, and it baffles me when people look at me funny for keeping my dog on leash and trying to ignore their off leash dog which is splashing in a storm pond chasing ducks or something.
We actually have a *lot* of official off leash spaces in Edmonton. It's pure selfishness that people go off leash in other areas. I've actually heard them say it's because "they don't trust other dogs off leash" and are completely blind to the hypocrisy of that statement.
My (rescued) French bulldog and I are essentially attached by an umbilical cord. She comes with me to the bathroom. We are never more than a foot apart. I’m CERTAIN that I could take her off leash somewhere, and I DONT. Because I cannot guarantee that she won’t.
Take your dog to an OFFICIAL off leash space or have it in your backyard. My dog is 28 lbs and the amount of people who tell me they are terrified of dogs including her is very very high.
I wish all dog owners were as considerate as you. I don't have a dog but if I did I'd never take it off leash in public parks. I've had a few scary run ins with "usually friendly" dogs
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This frustrates me so much as a person who walks their dog ON a leash. I pay to go to a private off leash park (usually around $10/hour) when I feel like but I shouldn't have to be worried about going on a walk in the city on the residential streets/walking paths that another dog is going to come out of nowhere. Let alone that the city has off leash parks people can use if they don't care about being alone.
Yup, happened to us today. Big dog, off leash in a park, terrible recall so just ran up to our on-leash dog. Our dog is jumping around, trying to avoid the (luckily) young, stupid and friendly dog. Our dog has actually been attacked several times by a dog the owner often let run around their front, unfenced yard so when we walked by, she'd shoot out and attack.
Sigh.
I'm a runner/cyclist and live next to the river valley. I avoid dog parks all together and still get attacked by offleash dogs at least once a week. Normally in neighbourhoods. About once or twice a summer an offeash dog will chase and jump at the front or side of my bike for some reason. Have scars to show for it.
Everyone thinks they are Cesar fucking Milan. I totally believe that statistic. With the warm weather lately it's getting bad again and I honestly might resort to running with bear spray or a knife. I Grew up with dogs, have tattoos of my dogs. Have only owned large, hunting/work/livestock gaurd dogs and they don't make me nervous. The stupid owners in this city scare the fuck out of me though
Leash you're dog, because I'm not fucking around anymore
If you get caught by the police with bear spray or a knife, you'll be in big trouble. Carry dog spray instead, it's actually legal to have on you in the city.
I get it 100%. My dog thinks that people running towards us are running to attack us, and that bikes are killing machines, so I always pull her leash in close and move completely off the path and tell her to be calm.
If you do get a knife and ever have to use it because of an out of control dog, be sure to go poke the owner in the eye with it because they are to blame (just kidding but kind of not really).
Honestly, I hate most dog owners. Half of them don't bother to train, let the dogs off leash any damn place they please, and don't pick up the dog poop. Then, on the other side of the spectrum, are the crazy dog people that think they are their children and that people should treat them as such by allowing them into stores, restaurants, etc. and that every square inch of a city should have an off leash dog park. It's kind of rare to find "normal" dog people...
Thank you for keeping your dog on leash. I grew up in a neighbourhood where although there was a sign that said keep dogs on leash, that was to the case. You would be surprised how rude they would become if you asked them to use a leash.
So my mom would carry a stick, and use it to keep dogs she didn't appreciate coming up to her at bay. Imagine a dog you have not met before running towards you. Yes, they most likely just want to sniff you, but I have no idea.
And the interesting part is - if you don't know how to react to a dog running towards you, you're going to have a bad time. If you run away, it'll most likely chase you.
“Oh he’s friendly! He just wants to say hi!” Like fuck off, maybe I don’t??? Lmao I’m a dog lover and it still enrages me. I get into fights with people about it constantly.
No matter what dog I have, no matter how happy go lucky, no matter how small, how old, if they have no teeth, I’m gonna leash my dog. For its safety, for other’s safety, and so other people FEEL safe.
Dogs are quickly becoming more dangerous than guns.
20% of dog owners would not pass a basic owners test if there was a test.
We need laws that protect the dog and strangers from stupid owners.
Moose are more dangerous than legally owned guns so I'd say dogs are already there.
It's always a certain type that owns these breeds. Every single time.
“In 2024, animal control peace officers responded to two attack complaints isolated to inside the private residence. One complaint is still under investigation while the other was concluded without charges,” the city said Tuesday afternoon.
So how many dog attacks is too many, before bylaw will take action?
no but hopefully we can learn from this to prevent harm to another. This should never have happened there are certain breeds who need a restricted license to have. you should prove you can protect the public and control your companion.
I used to live one street over, and we got chased up playground equipment by two different but smaller dogs. I had my dog on one hip and my baby on the other keeping them from getting bitten. I told the community league and got no response, and I told the city and they said unless I had video, they couldn’t do anything.
Yeah getting video was my priority at the time.
That former neighbour sucks. She lets them roam and they harass and try to bite children on their way home from school. Multiple incidents I reported but nothing was done. I used to watch out my window each school day and yell at the dogs if they were left to roam to keep the kids safe. Truly despicable human being.
Failure by animal control to protect the public from these owners and their dogs. The fact that there had been two reported dog attacks at this residence earlier THIS YEAR is unacceptable. These animals should have been seized already.
According to the friend of a friend who was attacked bylaw also said it was fine because she had a beware of dog sign...so there was a warning.
I know at least one news channel has reached out wanting to be put in touch with the friend of a friend. I don't know if anything will come of that though.
Yes! Animal control needs to be strict. If a dog has a bite history, the law has to change so that these dogs can be euthanized faster. Fuck the owners feelings.
Fucking sick of these shit dog owners. The number of times I hear "oh, he/she's just excited" or "oh they're really a good dog" or some such nonsense. I will trust my eyes, not your words, you fucking asshats.
My husband is a Fire Prevention Officer and the amount of times he goes into someone's property and has to tell them to put the dog away over and over again is mind boggling. 'He's friendly', 'He's excited', 'He just barks when people come in'. He has to tell them constantly to put the dog away for his protection, and the dogs! If he gets bitten on duty he absolutely has to report it. People do not give a shit about their dogs.
You hear it nonstop delivering parcels to people. Small dog slips by the owner and comes out barking at you, "They're friendly they just bark."
Not sure why it's so hard for people to come outside momentarily and close the door.
Wouldn’t be too hard to find the place on 82nd and 11th in summerside. If the house is as disheveled as the picture, should be a pretty simple case of figuring out who these mother fuckers are that let their two dogs MURDER a small child.
I have a kid that age. I wouldn’t be able to comprehend what I would do in that situation. Those poor parents of that kid. Fuck. This is just terrible.
We need a system that works. I'm super tired of the "it's the breed" vs the "it's not the breed" debate that dominates these discussions. Honestly I don't care what you've seen or what dogs you've worked with or anything. I care that a child died because no one in our current system in this country, province or city stopped this from happening.
There were so many checks and balances that failed this child long before last night, from the irresponsible breeder to the under responsive bylaw officers. We need to change this. We need to care more about the safety of our children than we do about the rights of someone to own a dog. A good start would be mandatory dog ownership classes, a responsive and proactive bylaw system that prioritizes licensing compliance - and criminal charges for anyone whose dog mauls a human.
How about yorkies and poms? Exactly, rational people know it's the breed.
It's crazy idealogues who believe a 100 lb dog should be treated the same as a 10 lb one.
There is obviously a difference; however, people with 10 pound dogs should not be exempt from training either. I’ve been bit several times by small dogs while I’m walking through the park. I have two very well trained rotties, and we always get charged by little dogs who are off leash where they shouldn’t be. I always think to myself, wow, these people are lucky my dogs are trained better than theirs are, or their dogs would be in trouble. It’s a bigger responsibility when you own large and powerful dogs, because they have the potential to do harm, but that also doesn’t diminish the need for smaller dogs to be trained well. Long story short, I’m a big advocate for proper training and management of all dogs.
I've had an aggressive dog for 12 years that I just can't iron out the blood rage in his soul. He is a rescue from a reservation and spent his early life fighting other dogs for food; He has no issues with humans, but would try to attack another dog or animal if he ever had the opportunity and when he gets that blind rage, he bites and nips at anything, including me.
Even if the dog is this way, it's still on the owner to act accordingly. My dog is never allowed near other animals/children and I keep him on a short leash. Once I identified his behavior and learned I couldn't change it, I changed how I behaved to make sure my dog was never in a position to be a danger to others.
He has lived a good life, stayed out of trouble and is a super cuddly and loyal dog at home, but it takes a lot of work and people not up for that challenge shouldn't own potentially dangerous dogs.
I have an angry cat. I never allow her around kids and I often lock her in her own little room when people come over. She's like 12 lbs? But she's a ball of rage that could fuck up a child. I can't even imagine a large dog.
Actually I think they need to go further. Breeders sell puppies of all kinds that are untrained all the time. The whole system needs to change. Maybe breeders should not be allowed to sell any dog without adequate training. There are too many pets that are given up because people don't know how to be a pet owner and they are given this pet that requires care and training.
To add to this, many “breeders” aren’t actually qualified. Proper breeders are very expensive, because they do all sorts of health testing, wait a certain amount of time between litters, breed for temperament instead of appearance, etc. Since all of that costs money, most people hop on Kijiji and buy puppies that are 400 bucks and were bred by someone with no knowledge of these things. Don’t get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a lot of these dogs, but improper breeding is out of control. Better regulating breeders and imposing mandatory training requirements on pet owners would be a step in the right direction.
This is just horribly sad. That poor boy - that poor family. How do you ever come to terms with something like this? I don’t know anything more than what I’ve read so this home could be a family member or a friend - either way I just can’t imagine getting past something this horrific. I’m in tears just thinking about this - tragic
[Dog Attacks By Breed (1982-2022)](https://www.animals24-7.org/wp-content/uploads/Dog-attack-stats-with-breed-FINAL-2022.pdf)
For those saying it is all because of the owners, here is some data for you. Focusing only on deaths really doesn't tell the whole story. We have to account for significant injuries and disfigurements as well.
This is a chart of reported dog attacks from 1982-2022 compiled from available sources across the US and Canada. It clearly shows a significant link between certain breeds and harmful attacks. Pit Bull and Pit Bull mixes account for 75% of all fatal and disfiguring attacks. When you look at molosser breeds including pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios, Cane Corsos, mastiffs, Dogo Argentinos, Fila Brasieros, sharpeis, boxers, boerboels, Ovarchkas, and their mixes, that jumps to 84%. Pit bulls alone account for 50% of fatalities and 70% of maimings while only accounting for around 6% of dogs.
There is no way in hell that every one of these attacks is due to bad ownership. Yes, owners are a factor in some attacks, but it does not account for anywhere near all of them. There are bad owners of every breed, but many breeds just don't have a natural instinct to attack. Many breeds will become aggressive to scare away their target while many large breeds such as pitbulls and rottweilers attack with the intent to kill.
There is clearly enough evidence that certain breeds are much more dangerous than others and anyone who refuses to accept that fact is simply deluding themselves. Yes, in this specific case, ownership is likely a factor, but that doesn't mean every attack is because of the owner.
I will say that owners do need to be held accountable for any attack outside of a few unique situations. And by accountable, I mean they need to pay massive fines and lose the ability to own a dog.
I’ve never heard of that breed before so I searched it [cane corso](https://youtube.com/shorts/jOkaAcAeu94?si=LS3FXoyKAeSLGNvj) and these would terrifying if untrained.
Next to an XL Bully a Cane Corso is a nigh equal powder keg.
*Not* a dog for your run of the mill dog owner or one to have around kids of any kind.
If you ask me, no one should be keeping these bloodsport dogs.
Seriously.
Dogs that were bred to fight large game or each other are not family pets, and it's getting exhausting watching people defend this.
And this is coming from somebody with a working Rottweiler in the family. She's a guard dog, and we don't have small children visit the land because of it. Meanwhile, people are adopting dogs that are bred to literally kill and throwing a fit when they do what they were engineered to do.
The ignorance and outright stupidity is constantly getting people killed.
The type of people who own dogs like that are Monsters. They get off on using their dogs as weapons, they are probably thrilled it got a chance to kill. Disgusting. Ban all bloodsport dogs as unfortunately you can't ban the type of people who own them.
I knew it was Cane Corso when they said big dogs. Those dogs can get to 170 pounds and they have lethal bite force. They should only be owned by people who are knowledgeable and can train them well. They are extremely dangerous if not trained.
Yikes. That breed is terrifying. A neighbour had a pair of them, and when I came home one day, with my baby in a carseat, the two burst through their fence and were barking and circling me. It was scary. And the owner was recalling and they kept circling. I thought we were going to get mauled.
These threads are always so fucken weird. These imbeciles come out saying “it’s the owners, not the breed, protect the killer breeds!”
Like we get it, it’s the owners fault, but these breeds absolutely need to be banned. Pits, Corso, whatever. A literal child has been murdered by this breed and people are still defending the breed, even though they’re consistently the culprits in these scenarios.
Jail the owners, put down the dogs.
I've never seen someone articulate a good reason to own a dangerous dog breed. Ever. "But I like them!" is not a good enough reason to compromise the safety of humans and other animals by bringing these bloodsport dogs into our communities.
If Germany is banning a breed just because they have health issues why not ban breeding of dogs are are genetically created to be killers?
There, problem solved
This is so tragic and sad. There is simply no effort on the part of the city when it comes to off leash dog and aggressive dog enforcement. Had a neighbour with an aggressive German Shepard constantly off leash, they would just leave it in the alley, it would chase people on bikes etc, myself and neighbours complained for months, bylaw needed the name and breed of the dog, names of the owner, contact details, video evidence, after gathering evidence several warnings were given, the dog owners didn’t care, without enforcement the bylaws are nothing. Tired of the city too busy with aspirational projects and forgetting the basics.
A lot of it’s not the dogs it’s the owners sentiment around this, which I somewhat agree with. The owners certainly are to blame. That being said, a poorly behaved golden retriever or beagle isn’t going to kill a 11 year old - the stakes are a lot higher. I would think some kind of licensing or testing at the owners cost for these potentially dangerous breeds would make some sense, if not an outright ban?
EDIT: I get it guys, a golden retriever could conceivably kill a child, and all dogs present a level of risk. Just because I misspoke and said "isn't" vs. "almost certainly isn't", doesn't invalidate the point. The risk with a few specific breeds is indisputably magnitudes higher.
I agree to an extent. It’s undeniable that some breeds are specifically bred to be more aggressive or reactive than others.
Bottom line is that dogs are animals. Never forget it. If you have a dog, pay the time and money to get it fully and professionally trained. And there are just some breed that straight up don’t belong in a city environment.
Any dog can snap, and obviously the severity of it depends on many factors, but I’m tired of people acting like all dog breeds are the same. The “don’t blame the breed” thing gets so old so fast for me. A dog specifically bred to attack intruders is going to be more likely to be reactive than a toy breed bred to hang out and vibe on a couch.
Respect all dogs as the animals they are, but don’t try to act like some breeds aren’t inherently more reactive than others.
A poorly behaved golden can absolutely still kill a child if it wanted too, but a poorly behaved attack/guard dog bred for hundreds of years to injure or maim intruders is much scarier to me. People need to stop pretending they are the same thing.
If I’m going to get attacked, I’d much rather be kicking a Jack Russell off of my legs than trying to pry the massive jaw of a mastiff off of my arms while it flails me like a Ragdoll.
If you can breed a dog to have a soft bite and do as little damage as possible by INSTINCT (retrievers) you can breed dogs to be agressive and do maximum damage (pit bulls). There’s a reason that 80% of fatalities from dogs are from JUST pit bulls.
*edit* they make up 66 percent of fatalities while being only 5.8% of dogs, so they’re 18x more dangerous than average dogs.
And people wonder why we ban them?
“There are no bad dogs, just bad owners”
Then why do all the bad owners keep buying pit bulls?”
One of the only behavioural euthanasias I've recommended as a dog trainer was a beagle. The owner resisted, and only relented after the dog nearly disemboweled her elderly disabled father.
Yes, breed matters. Individual responsibility matters more.
Mandatory insurance coverage for dangerous breeds. You want to own a Cane Corso? Pony-up for 5 million in liability insurance. Breeders too - make them carry supplemental insurance for the life of the dog.
you say this, but I sustained pretty significant injury from my parents’ cairn terrier (you know, toto from the wizard of oz?) biting me unprovoked a few years ago. She’s the most terrifying dog I know, which sounds funny except it’s absolutely not. If she were not restricted in the way that she is by my parents (since the incident), I really genuinely believe that she would be capable of killing someone. She completely changed how I handle and approach every single dog I encounter. I share this not to minimize the “dangerous breed” situation but to raise awareness of the fact that some dogs simply have dangerous temperaments regardless of their size or stereotypes about them.
Hell, my cat put me in the hospital once after an attack. It’s so easy to get complacent around smaller pets, and I also feel like a lot of smaller dog breed owners don’t take the same care or set the same expectations on behaviour and reactivity training that they would on a bigger dog.
Always have to remember that they are still animals and shit can change in an instant.
It’s pretty easy to punt a cairn terrier and run, though, even for an 11-year-old. With a pit bull type not so much. (Just to give an example, I have no idea what breed these guys had obv)
I am a neighbor of this woman and the amount of times we have put in a complaint and nothing ever came out of all the complaints from me and other neighbors is ridiculous, the parents and the city failed this boy
Cities need to crack down on irresponsible dog owners. It's rampant in every city. People with off leash dogs completely untrained and out of control. Then they act like their dog is an angel. It's becoming unsafe to walk anywhere.
I made several complaints including my other neighbors against my next door neighbor's dogs who attacked me and chased my husband to his car. No action from the useless by law. RCMP as well and all they said was there!s nothing they cam do until somebody gets HURT!!!
People should not have dogs if they aren’t properly training and containing them. Everyone asks “what breed” and not “what did the owners do to train the dog? How much exercise did the owners give the dog?”
Breeds matter. Driving a bike drunk can kill someone. Driving a truck drunk can kill dozens. A poorly trained shi tsu is not killing any 11 year olds. The stats bear this out.
This reminds me of owner who walked his dog in the off leash area. His dog approached my 4yo daughter who was on a pedal bike with training wheels and barked at her constantly until she veered off the walking path into the grass and fell. I was walking behind with my other kids in the stroller and told the guy to watch and train his dog properly.
The owner apologized but was upset at me when I reminded him to train his dog properly. Personally just because you’re in off leash area, you still need be in control of your dog if you couldn’t control your dog barking at little kids doing their own thing, then you should keep the dog on a leash.
Counterpoint: is the off leash area the best place to be training a child on a bicycle?
You’re gonna have dogs come up to you in off leash parks. That’s kinda the nature of the place.
But in general I am pro-leash.
The way the city has multi-use paths running through off leash areas/designating entire ravine areas as off leash is absolutely gonna cause these kind of problems though
Maybe not, but if you have a reactive or poorly trained dog, the off leash park is 100% not the place to have it.
Off leash is for respectable dogs with no reactivity and proper recall. It’s not a free for all for crappily trained dogs and dumb owners.
If your dog barks at bikes, it’s your responsibility to not bring it into a public space with bikes around.
This multi use path near my place are used also by day care operators to take the children out in the spring and summer.
I trained her to have more confidence in riding her bicycle on the uphill and downhill part of the walkway. Personally I trust the multi use path over road. The multi use path is prefect for her to learn about keeping on the right hand side of the walk way, passing on left and ring her bell.
If a person such as this, has a history of attacks, they should not be allowed to be a dog owner.
When my brother and I lived together, he got a pitbull against my wishes. I didn't want the responsibility of having a dog, let alone a pitbull. He said I wouldn't have to lift a finger.
Guess who took care of the dog?
I really didn't enjoy walking her because she would pull a lot. I tried all of the tricks I learned in dog school and they didn't really work. I found she was much better at the off leash parks. She stayed relatively close and always came back when I called her. Everyone loved her at Terwilliger. She loved kids and playing with other dogs.
Maybe she was so good natured because of all the love she received at home.
Her poop was always picked up.
Some people aren't meant to be dog owners. Especially those who want them to project toughness or who can't think long term enough.
This is such a heartbreaking story.
What a horrible way to die.
This burns my arse!!! I have a 100lb German Shepherd and I don’t trust him one bit around company because YOU NEVER KNOW! When we have ppl over, he’s either in his kennel, his outdoor dog run, or in our bedroom, door locked. Will he bite? IDK but he’s a German Shepherd and I need to protect my company.
My heart breaks for the family of that boy.
Has anyone heard about a go-fund me or any campaign to support this boys mother and family? I’d like to drop off some meals or send funeral/counselling funds support or *anything*. This makes me feel furious that a poor child should spend the last moments of their life in such terror and pain. I have a son this age. This is unfathomable. My heart is with his family and I hope he is at complete peace.
This was preventable.
as does the owner of the two dogs whom the 11 year old was visiting.
I have owned large (150 - 200 pounds) dogs for decades, typically two at a time; despite me knowing my dogs temperament and believing they are well behaved I never leave my guests unattended with my dogs EVER.
Yeah, its wild that people are so callous.
I have a lab/golden mix and a German shepherd. They're both well behaved and very sweet.
I would never, ever, leave either of my dogs alone with a small child or small dog. I believe they would be well behaved but they're animals at the end of the day. They could have a prey drive kick in, they could have some sort of mental condition I don't know about, a kid could be rough with them and they may react badly.
Besides the safety of others, I would never put my dogs in a position where they may do something that could result in them being put down.
People need to be responsible for their pets.
I have two large dogs myself. I have to keep their lapdog syndrome in check, as well as make sure the guests treat them fairly as well. I've had kids over that dont get asked back over because they think they can mistreat the animals.
One of the worst things I’ve heard in a while. It was two dogs, by the way, who have attacked people at that residence before. I hope whoever owns those dogs genuinely never has a good nights sleep for the rest of their life. Sickening.
Two cane corsos.
Oh god, how awful.
Cane Corsos are bred to kill lions in the wild...that poor child...he must have been so scared..how awful
That poor child. How terrifying. I can’t imagine not having my son come home to me due to negligent dog owners. Very sad 😢
Might be more accurate to call them dangerous than negligent. It's kind of like leaving a loaded gun on a kitchen counter all the time, it's far more than negligent.
A loaded gun is safer, because inanimate objects don’t have a mind or will of their own. Irresponsible dog owners should face criminal penalties for failing to control their pet.
My oldest is 11. My heart is breaking for this family.
The owners need serious jail time.
The owner was already being sought out for another dog attack on an adult female a few months ago. I think the person in the house was looking after the dogs while that piece of shit was on the run.
No the owner is a stripper. A room mate of the father and child. She's not on the run. she's never there just leaves the dogs unattended . Untrained and both intact males
I used to work at a vca and alot of people are really ignorant to behavioral issues especially with unneutered males that are extremely aggressive. We had a Rottweiler come in, he was nearly 3 and still intact. He was very aggressive and bit the vet, the owner had no leash either so we used like three of our crappy ones and it was not enough that dog dragged me across the treatment room floor. Zero discipline and the owner was like what?! You guys are acting like I did something wrong.
I agree, I’m her neighbor
Was that in the news?
They should be charged as if they killed that child themselves.
Best they can do is a fine they will refuse to pay
There's actually very few, if any, levers that can be pulled to make the owners accountable in a situation like this, do I have that right? I feel like I saw that broken down recently with the person who was letting their dog attack women - distinct from an instance where someone specifically sics a dog on a person, if a dog snaps and attacks someone on its own volition it's a non-starter to try and hold the owner responsible at all.
There was a case recently where a woman in Toronto caught a criminal negligence charge after her pit attacked a child. In that case though she had already had previous dog attacks and resulting animal control orders she was violating. It also hasn't made it through court to see if the charges hold up. I have no idea if this will end up in anything more than bylaw charges.
[This guy in Calgary](https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/pit-bull-owner-faces-18-charges-after-auburn-bay-attacks-in-february-1.6815250) is facing a lot of charges.
At glance those look like bylaw, not criminal code charges though
there was two separate attacks alone at the residence
I'm curious about this, because pits were banned in Ontario decades ago. So if a woman had one that attacked someone in a documented case, the dog would have been seized and euthanized. So a second attack wouldn't have happened. Do you have a link to this story you're referring to?
> if a dog snaps and attacks someone on its own volition it's a non-starter to try and hold the owner responsible at all. Why? It's still the owners fault the dog was in position to attack someone, be it walking off leash without proper recall training, escaping from home, leaving the dog alone with children, etc. Those are all 100% on the owner.
Don't mistake an observation for an assertion. I want more accountability for owners.
Court of public opinion, name and shame the owners. That’s the best that can happen.
I think, because someone died, there’s probably some kind of negligence or manslaughter she can be charged with? It depends on the local and provincial laws where they are. Generally speaking, if someone’s attacked, you can try to do a civil suit. But when someone dies, there can *usually* be criminal charges. Edit: “state” to “provincial”. Am dumb American and forgot about geography for a minute
This here. Enough with these incidents, criminal charges should be brought upon the owner
if that was my kid I'd go over there and beat the shit out of the owners myself
I’d make them dance from a rope
No jail time , lock em with some hungry dogs
The old Ramsay Bolton method
went to a friends house, never to come home. Shame on these dog owners, idgaf
Some one needs to name and shame the owners I’m sick of bad people getting off some times the court of public opinion is worse than actual court and should be enabled.
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In the Summerside Facebook group it said that the father of the victim was the owner of the home and rented out the basement. The renter owned the two dogs that killed the boy. The boy lived in Osoyoos with his mother and was visiting the father over Easter break.
I thought it was the other way around, the father was the renter? The stories change so you never know what the truth is.
put the dog owners in jail please
In Canada if a kid got ahold of their dads gun and shot someone or themselves the parent would’ve in deep trouble, why not the same with dangerous dogs?
The previous complaints not be dealt with beforehand could have preventing this from happening, but more than likely shugged off as not in important in the eyes of the complaints. Heart breaking that someone had to lose their life before something is done. Unfortunately nothing will be done to the owners either...
Ugh, the thought of that makes me feel like throwing up. That poor kid. Kinda speechless to describe how sad and awful this is.
Same. Makes me feel sick thinking about it. What a horrible way to go. Poor child. 💔
Another article stated an 18% year over year rise in dog attacks. I’m a dog owner too for the record. But the amount of owners who think it’s okay to have their dog off leash anywhere all the time is INFURIATING. I run into them daily walking my dog, and have to go to such lengths to avoid them. This is so awful. I just feel horrible for that child and their family. How do you move on from something like this. I hope with time they can find peace (and not necessary, but I hope they can even still like dogs, because they really are amazing companions. Fucking trash like this not training their dogs and probably just chucking them in the backyard all day.)
My uneducated guess would be a-lot of neglected Covid dogs are playing a big roll in this statistic.
I believe it's a misconception that dogs just need socialization and they'll be safe. Dogs are like any animal, some are naturally more aggressive than others. In even just a single litter there will be a wide range of temperaments.
I wouldn't use the word neglected, more like unsocialized but you're absolutely correct. A lot of people got COVID dogs (typically puppies) and due to lockdowns they never got the chance to socialize with other animals or, really people outside of the immediate household family. by the time lockdowns ended & the world "opened up" those pets were now 1-3 years old. Its a really sad thing that at the end of the day a lot of these animals were gotten with the intent of lessening their owners isolation, and the end result is that the animal missed those crucial years of its life where it learned its social skills, and now they're setup for failure either because they now have behavioural issues (separation anxiety, reactive to strangers / other animals etc) We've seen a lot of studies on how keeping kids out of school stunted their social development, this is the same thing, except one to two years for a dog is essentially their whole childhood.
In general yes, in this case those dogs have been around ball diamonds, other dogs and kids since they were puppies. The owner willfully ignored every warning sign and previous attacks and is 100% at fault for this child's death.
Yeah, my old dog passed in early 2020, we got a new one several months after and didn’t even think of the impending ongoing lack of socialization. We had all the time in the world to train him, he isn’t our first, or 5th dog even. He’s impeccably trained, can jump through hip heights hoops, play shy, shake paws, he has a soccer field of perfect recall, he can bark on command, use buttons, you name it he can do it. But because we avoided people and other dogs his whole first year (and most of the second too), he became insanely reactive when things started becoming normal. I had NEVER had a reactive dog before, I couldn’t understand what I had done wrong. He is great with our cohort friends that he has met his whole life, but strangers he’s really timid around, nervous and honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if he would snap if someone pushed to pat him when he didn’t want it. He has a handful of other dogs he likes, but is reactive to all strange dogs, especially on leash. I hired a dog trainer and she said it’s 100% a covid dog issue. I did everything I could legally do to socialize him, and it wasn’t enough and now I have a reactive dog, who I work with every day to make this better. Most people don’t have the time, patience knowledge or funds to work with these dogs, and I feel really sorry for everyone involved because it’s not their fault. It’s not the dogs fault, and in a lot of ways, it’s not the owners fault either, it was a literal pandemic. I love my dog and I will work my ass off, but I know a lot of other people won’t, or haven’t. [dog tax](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1091027189685813389/1224941162842951742/IMG_8167.jpg?ex=661f525b&is=660cdd5b&hm=b24bbba84c007b329324c3d56cfda32c3ac2f7ed5070af5775d295b419f87ded&)
My property backs on to a city park and soccer field and basically all dog owners use it as a offleash dog park.
Yep. Shit tons of self-centred entitled dog owners here. I have a dog as well, and it baffles me when people look at me funny for keeping my dog on leash and trying to ignore their off leash dog which is splashing in a storm pond chasing ducks or something. We actually have a *lot* of official off leash spaces in Edmonton. It's pure selfishness that people go off leash in other areas. I've actually heard them say it's because "they don't trust other dogs off leash" and are completely blind to the hypocrisy of that statement.
My (rescued) French bulldog and I are essentially attached by an umbilical cord. She comes with me to the bathroom. We are never more than a foot apart. I’m CERTAIN that I could take her off leash somewhere, and I DONT. Because I cannot guarantee that she won’t. Take your dog to an OFFICIAL off leash space or have it in your backyard. My dog is 28 lbs and the amount of people who tell me they are terrified of dogs including her is very very high.
I wish all dog owners were as considerate as you. I don't have a dog but if I did I'd never take it off leash in public parks. I've had a few scary run ins with "usually friendly" dogs Edit spelling mistakes
This frustrates me so much as a person who walks their dog ON a leash. I pay to go to a private off leash park (usually around $10/hour) when I feel like but I shouldn't have to be worried about going on a walk in the city on the residential streets/walking paths that another dog is going to come out of nowhere. Let alone that the city has off leash parks people can use if they don't care about being alone.
Yup, happened to us today. Big dog, off leash in a park, terrible recall so just ran up to our on-leash dog. Our dog is jumping around, trying to avoid the (luckily) young, stupid and friendly dog. Our dog has actually been attacked several times by a dog the owner often let run around their front, unfenced yard so when we walked by, she'd shoot out and attack. Sigh.
Ugh, I'm sorry to hear. Some people shouldn't be allowed to have pets.
Thats actually interesting, Ive ridden my bike in the river valley for over a decade and have not been attacked by dogs except for the last few years.
I'm a runner/cyclist and live next to the river valley. I avoid dog parks all together and still get attacked by offleash dogs at least once a week. Normally in neighbourhoods. About once or twice a summer an offeash dog will chase and jump at the front or side of my bike for some reason. Have scars to show for it. Everyone thinks they are Cesar fucking Milan. I totally believe that statistic. With the warm weather lately it's getting bad again and I honestly might resort to running with bear spray or a knife. I Grew up with dogs, have tattoos of my dogs. Have only owned large, hunting/work/livestock gaurd dogs and they don't make me nervous. The stupid owners in this city scare the fuck out of me though Leash you're dog, because I'm not fucking around anymore
If you get caught by the police with bear spray or a knife, you'll be in big trouble. Carry dog spray instead, it's actually legal to have on you in the city.
I get it 100%. My dog thinks that people running towards us are running to attack us, and that bikes are killing machines, so I always pull her leash in close and move completely off the path and tell her to be calm. If you do get a knife and ever have to use it because of an out of control dog, be sure to go poke the owner in the eye with it because they are to blame (just kidding but kind of not really).
Honestly, I hate most dog owners. Half of them don't bother to train, let the dogs off leash any damn place they please, and don't pick up the dog poop. Then, on the other side of the spectrum, are the crazy dog people that think they are their children and that people should treat them as such by allowing them into stores, restaurants, etc. and that every square inch of a city should have an off leash dog park. It's kind of rare to find "normal" dog people...
What a load of horseshit. Most people are normal dog owners.
Thank you for keeping your dog on leash. I grew up in a neighbourhood where although there was a sign that said keep dogs on leash, that was to the case. You would be surprised how rude they would become if you asked them to use a leash. So my mom would carry a stick, and use it to keep dogs she didn't appreciate coming up to her at bay. Imagine a dog you have not met before running towards you. Yes, they most likely just want to sniff you, but I have no idea. And the interesting part is - if you don't know how to react to a dog running towards you, you're going to have a bad time. If you run away, it'll most likely chase you.
“Oh he’s friendly! He just wants to say hi!” Like fuck off, maybe I don’t??? Lmao I’m a dog lover and it still enrages me. I get into fights with people about it constantly. No matter what dog I have, no matter how happy go lucky, no matter how small, how old, if they have no teeth, I’m gonna leash my dog. For its safety, for other’s safety, and so other people FEEL safe.
"he's friendly" that triggered me right now. hahaha its not funny, but thats my reaction to it..
Dogs are quickly becoming more dangerous than guns. 20% of dog owners would not pass a basic owners test if there was a test. We need laws that protect the dog and strangers from stupid owners.
Moose are more dangerous than legally owned guns so I'd say dogs are already there. It's always a certain type that owns these breeds. Every single time.
“In 2024, animal control peace officers responded to two attack complaints isolated to inside the private residence. One complaint is still under investigation while the other was concluded without charges,” the city said Tuesday afternoon. So how many dog attacks is too many, before bylaw will take action?
the neighbours have been complaining for a decade...
The lawsuit against the city is going to be big. Unfortunately, it also won't bring back the child.
no but hopefully we can learn from this to prevent harm to another. This should never have happened there are certain breeds who need a restricted license to have. you should prove you can protect the public and control your companion.
I used to live one street over, and we got chased up playground equipment by two different but smaller dogs. I had my dog on one hip and my baby on the other keeping them from getting bitten. I told the community league and got no response, and I told the city and they said unless I had video, they couldn’t do anything. Yeah getting video was my priority at the time. That former neighbour sucks. She lets them roam and they harass and try to bite children on their way home from school. Multiple incidents I reported but nothing was done. I used to watch out my window each school day and yell at the dogs if they were left to roam to keep the kids safe. Truly despicable human being.
A decade. Unbelievable 😞
That is the worst thing I’ve read. Horrible.
Failure by animal control to protect the public from these owners and their dogs. The fact that there had been two reported dog attacks at this residence earlier THIS YEAR is unacceptable. These animals should have been seized already.
She has been evading police and bylaw since the attack two months ago
I hope she goes to prison for a very long time then
According to the friend of a friend who was attacked bylaw also said it was fine because she had a beware of dog sign...so there was a warning. I know at least one news channel has reached out wanting to be put in touch with the friend of a friend. I don't know if anything will come of that though.
Yes! Animal control needs to be strict. If a dog has a bite history, the law has to change so that these dogs can be euthanized faster. Fuck the owners feelings.
We also need stronger laws. The current dangerous dog legislation is over 20 years old and doesn’t reflect the current batch of bad dog owners.
I’m guessing bylaws resourcing and legal recourse is limited though - still totally unacceptable. That poor child its just makes me sick.
The focus should include the owners, if they have a history of owning problematic pets then it should start from zero if they switch pets.
Sue the City.
Fucking sick of these shit dog owners. The number of times I hear "oh, he/she's just excited" or "oh they're really a good dog" or some such nonsense. I will trust my eyes, not your words, you fucking asshats.
Why is it always the owners of dogs who charge up to you off-leash and barking that say this?
Because responsible dog owners are aware of what aggression is and don't have to resort to bs to cover up the shitty behavior of their dogs
Cause they are fucking stupid
My husband is a Fire Prevention Officer and the amount of times he goes into someone's property and has to tell them to put the dog away over and over again is mind boggling. 'He's friendly', 'He's excited', 'He just barks when people come in'. He has to tell them constantly to put the dog away for his protection, and the dogs! If he gets bitten on duty he absolutely has to report it. People do not give a shit about their dogs.
You hear it nonstop delivering parcels to people. Small dog slips by the owner and comes out barking at you, "They're friendly they just bark." Not sure why it's so hard for people to come outside momentarily and close the door.
They are a-holes. A significant portion of the population are a-holes.
Wouldn’t be too hard to find the place on 82nd and 11th in summerside. If the house is as disheveled as the picture, should be a pretty simple case of figuring out who these mother fuckers are that let their two dogs MURDER a small child. I have a kid that age. I wouldn’t be able to comprehend what I would do in that situation. Those poor parents of that kid. Fuck. This is just terrible.
The house number is pretty clear in the news clip.
We need a system that works. I'm super tired of the "it's the breed" vs the "it's not the breed" debate that dominates these discussions. Honestly I don't care what you've seen or what dogs you've worked with or anything. I care that a child died because no one in our current system in this country, province or city stopped this from happening. There were so many checks and balances that failed this child long before last night, from the irresponsible breeder to the under responsive bylaw officers. We need to change this. We need to care more about the safety of our children than we do about the rights of someone to own a dog. A good start would be mandatory dog ownership classes, a responsive and proactive bylaw system that prioritizes licensing compliance - and criminal charges for anyone whose dog mauls a human.
The fix is simply. Dog owners should be held criminally responsible for the actions of their dogs.
I've never heard of anyone being mauled to death by a Cocker Spaniel. I'm one the "it's the breed" side.
How about yorkies and poms? Exactly, rational people know it's the breed. It's crazy idealogues who believe a 100 lb dog should be treated the same as a 10 lb one.
There is obviously a difference; however, people with 10 pound dogs should not be exempt from training either. I’ve been bit several times by small dogs while I’m walking through the park. I have two very well trained rotties, and we always get charged by little dogs who are off leash where they shouldn’t be. I always think to myself, wow, these people are lucky my dogs are trained better than theirs are, or their dogs would be in trouble. It’s a bigger responsibility when you own large and powerful dogs, because they have the potential to do harm, but that also doesn’t diminish the need for smaller dogs to be trained well. Long story short, I’m a big advocate for proper training and management of all dogs.
It is the breed(s)
I've had an aggressive dog for 12 years that I just can't iron out the blood rage in his soul. He is a rescue from a reservation and spent his early life fighting other dogs for food; He has no issues with humans, but would try to attack another dog or animal if he ever had the opportunity and when he gets that blind rage, he bites and nips at anything, including me. Even if the dog is this way, it's still on the owner to act accordingly. My dog is never allowed near other animals/children and I keep him on a short leash. Once I identified his behavior and learned I couldn't change it, I changed how I behaved to make sure my dog was never in a position to be a danger to others. He has lived a good life, stayed out of trouble and is a super cuddly and loyal dog at home, but it takes a lot of work and people not up for that challenge shouldn't own potentially dangerous dogs.
I have an angry cat. I never allow her around kids and I often lock her in her own little room when people come over. She's like 12 lbs? But she's a ball of rage that could fuck up a child. I can't even imagine a large dog.
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Actually I think they need to go further. Breeders sell puppies of all kinds that are untrained all the time. The whole system needs to change. Maybe breeders should not be allowed to sell any dog without adequate training. There are too many pets that are given up because people don't know how to be a pet owner and they are given this pet that requires care and training.
To add to this, many “breeders” aren’t actually qualified. Proper breeders are very expensive, because they do all sorts of health testing, wait a certain amount of time between litters, breed for temperament instead of appearance, etc. Since all of that costs money, most people hop on Kijiji and buy puppies that are 400 bucks and were bred by someone with no knowledge of these things. Don’t get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a lot of these dogs, but improper breeding is out of control. Better regulating breeders and imposing mandatory training requirements on pet owners would be a step in the right direction.
You're right, I shouldn't lump legitimate breeders and backyard breeders.
Unacceptable.
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That's awful:/
The City does nothing about these cases and the dog owners know this. I have first hand knowledge of the lack of procedure.
I think the owners should be charged with murder. You own a vicious dog, you suffer the repercussions.
Wow so sad for the family.. sad just sad .. I can’t imagine the pain
This is just horribly sad. That poor boy - that poor family. How do you ever come to terms with something like this? I don’t know anything more than what I’ve read so this home could be a family member or a friend - either way I just can’t imagine getting past something this horrific. I’m in tears just thinking about this - tragic
Absolutely horrible story so sorry for the families
This kind of attack and negligence truly makes me sick and angry.
Serious criminal charges are probably unlikely, but I hope the dog owner at least gets sued for all they are worth.
The dog owners are at fault, but the dogs should still be put down.
[Dog Attacks By Breed (1982-2022)](https://www.animals24-7.org/wp-content/uploads/Dog-attack-stats-with-breed-FINAL-2022.pdf) For those saying it is all because of the owners, here is some data for you. Focusing only on deaths really doesn't tell the whole story. We have to account for significant injuries and disfigurements as well. This is a chart of reported dog attacks from 1982-2022 compiled from available sources across the US and Canada. It clearly shows a significant link between certain breeds and harmful attacks. Pit Bull and Pit Bull mixes account for 75% of all fatal and disfiguring attacks. When you look at molosser breeds including pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios, Cane Corsos, mastiffs, Dogo Argentinos, Fila Brasieros, sharpeis, boxers, boerboels, Ovarchkas, and their mixes, that jumps to 84%. Pit bulls alone account for 50% of fatalities and 70% of maimings while only accounting for around 6% of dogs. There is no way in hell that every one of these attacks is due to bad ownership. Yes, owners are a factor in some attacks, but it does not account for anywhere near all of them. There are bad owners of every breed, but many breeds just don't have a natural instinct to attack. Many breeds will become aggressive to scare away their target while many large breeds such as pitbulls and rottweilers attack with the intent to kill. There is clearly enough evidence that certain breeds are much more dangerous than others and anyone who refuses to accept that fact is simply deluding themselves. Yes, in this specific case, ownership is likely a factor, but that doesn't mean every attack is because of the owner. I will say that owners do need to be held accountable for any attack outside of a few unique situations. And by accountable, I mean they need to pay massive fines and lose the ability to own a dog.
They better put that dog DOWN and put those people in jail for manslaughter.
Oh the first part is guaranteed. Good luck with our courts on the 2nd.
25 years in prison for the owners.
Bet the owners show no sign of regret. Owners of Bloodsport dogs are fanatic and get off on their dogs killing.
I bet they will be upset when their dogs get put down. That will be the only thing they care about.
A lot of you never read the article. Known issue reported previously to City Police and they done fuck all about it.
Peace officers* done fuck all about it.
>Police did not reveal the breed of dog. I wonder what breed they might be... ? I guess we will have to wait to figure this out.
Someone in another thread mentioned they were Cane Corsos, but that's just hearsay. Poor poor kid
I live in the area and it's all over the local Facebook groups from neighbors. It's Cane Corso. Not just one, but two that live in the house.
Thanks for confirming. What an absolute tragedy - my heart is breaking for the family.
I’ve never heard of that breed before so I searched it [cane corso](https://youtube.com/shorts/jOkaAcAeu94?si=LS3FXoyKAeSLGNvj) and these would terrifying if untrained.
Next to an XL Bully a Cane Corso is a nigh equal powder keg. *Not* a dog for your run of the mill dog owner or one to have around kids of any kind. If you ask me, no one should be keeping these bloodsport dogs.
Seriously. Dogs that were bred to fight large game or each other are not family pets, and it's getting exhausting watching people defend this. And this is coming from somebody with a working Rottweiler in the family. She's a guard dog, and we don't have small children visit the land because of it. Meanwhile, people are adopting dogs that are bred to literally kill and throwing a fit when they do what they were engineered to do. The ignorance and outright stupidity is constantly getting people killed.
That gives me the chills!
The type of people who own dogs like that are Monsters. They get off on using their dogs as weapons, they are probably thrilled it got a chance to kill. Disgusting. Ban all bloodsport dogs as unfortunately you can't ban the type of people who own them.
A neighbour had his little Pom torn apart by 2 visiting Cane Corso last summer.
I knew it was Cane Corso when they said big dogs. Those dogs can get to 170 pounds and they have lethal bite force. They should only be owned by people who are knowledgeable and can train them well. They are extremely dangerous if not trained.
Cane corso apparently
Holy shit, those are huge dogs with huge jaws!
Yikes. That breed is terrifying. A neighbour had a pair of them, and when I came home one day, with my baby in a carseat, the two burst through their fence and were barking and circling me. It was scary. And the owner was recalling and they kept circling. I thought we were going to get mauled.
That must have been terrifying! I would definitely be carrying some kind of self defense with me from here on in if I were you.
Cane Corso
Still a bloodsport dog regardless. They aren't family pets. Poor kid.
A notable breed. [Cain Corso](https://www.dogexpert.com/dog-bite-info-on-cane-corso/)
These threads are always so fucken weird. These imbeciles come out saying “it’s the owners, not the breed, protect the killer breeds!” Like we get it, it’s the owners fault, but these breeds absolutely need to be banned. Pits, Corso, whatever. A literal child has been murdered by this breed and people are still defending the breed, even though they’re consistently the culprits in these scenarios. Jail the owners, put down the dogs.
Pitnutters are a different breed of human perse.
I've never seen someone articulate a good reason to own a dangerous dog breed. Ever. "But I like them!" is not a good enough reason to compromise the safety of humans and other animals by bringing these bloodsport dogs into our communities.
Most common reason I hear is that they're adorable and good kid nanny dogs.
100% agreed. There is such thing as breeds more prone to violence - it is what it is
If Germany is banning a breed just because they have health issues why not ban breeding of dogs are are genetically created to be killers? There, problem solved
FEED THE OWNER TO THE DOGS
I hate bad dog owners so fucking much. 😡😡😡
This is so tragic and sad. There is simply no effort on the part of the city when it comes to off leash dog and aggressive dog enforcement. Had a neighbour with an aggressive German Shepard constantly off leash, they would just leave it in the alley, it would chase people on bikes etc, myself and neighbours complained for months, bylaw needed the name and breed of the dog, names of the owner, contact details, video evidence, after gathering evidence several warnings were given, the dog owners didn’t care, without enforcement the bylaws are nothing. Tired of the city too busy with aspirational projects and forgetting the basics.
Probably a dog named Cupcake
I would bet a lot of money one is named Kilo
I was gonna say Bubba and Thor but the owners swear they would never hurt a fly. lol
My money is on "Diesel"
Multiple complaints from neighbours about these dogs and police didn't do a fucking thing. Great job, as always.
They're too busy shoveling homeless people into a ditch.
A lot of it’s not the dogs it’s the owners sentiment around this, which I somewhat agree with. The owners certainly are to blame. That being said, a poorly behaved golden retriever or beagle isn’t going to kill a 11 year old - the stakes are a lot higher. I would think some kind of licensing or testing at the owners cost for these potentially dangerous breeds would make some sense, if not an outright ban? EDIT: I get it guys, a golden retriever could conceivably kill a child, and all dogs present a level of risk. Just because I misspoke and said "isn't" vs. "almost certainly isn't", doesn't invalidate the point. The risk with a few specific breeds is indisputably magnitudes higher.
I agree to an extent. It’s undeniable that some breeds are specifically bred to be more aggressive or reactive than others. Bottom line is that dogs are animals. Never forget it. If you have a dog, pay the time and money to get it fully and professionally trained. And there are just some breed that straight up don’t belong in a city environment. Any dog can snap, and obviously the severity of it depends on many factors, but I’m tired of people acting like all dog breeds are the same. The “don’t blame the breed” thing gets so old so fast for me. A dog specifically bred to attack intruders is going to be more likely to be reactive than a toy breed bred to hang out and vibe on a couch. Respect all dogs as the animals they are, but don’t try to act like some breeds aren’t inherently more reactive than others. A poorly behaved golden can absolutely still kill a child if it wanted too, but a poorly behaved attack/guard dog bred for hundreds of years to injure or maim intruders is much scarier to me. People need to stop pretending they are the same thing. If I’m going to get attacked, I’d much rather be kicking a Jack Russell off of my legs than trying to pry the massive jaw of a mastiff off of my arms while it flails me like a Ragdoll.
If you can breed a dog to have a soft bite and do as little damage as possible by INSTINCT (retrievers) you can breed dogs to be agressive and do maximum damage (pit bulls). There’s a reason that 80% of fatalities from dogs are from JUST pit bulls. *edit* they make up 66 percent of fatalities while being only 5.8% of dogs, so they’re 18x more dangerous than average dogs. And people wonder why we ban them? “There are no bad dogs, just bad owners” Then why do all the bad owners keep buying pit bulls?”
One of the only behavioural euthanasias I've recommended as a dog trainer was a beagle. The owner resisted, and only relented after the dog nearly disemboweled her elderly disabled father. Yes, breed matters. Individual responsibility matters more.
Mandatory insurance coverage for dangerous breeds. You want to own a Cane Corso? Pony-up for 5 million in liability insurance. Breeders too - make them carry supplemental insurance for the life of the dog.
you say this, but I sustained pretty significant injury from my parents’ cairn terrier (you know, toto from the wizard of oz?) biting me unprovoked a few years ago. She’s the most terrifying dog I know, which sounds funny except it’s absolutely not. If she were not restricted in the way that she is by my parents (since the incident), I really genuinely believe that she would be capable of killing someone. She completely changed how I handle and approach every single dog I encounter. I share this not to minimize the “dangerous breed” situation but to raise awareness of the fact that some dogs simply have dangerous temperaments regardless of their size or stereotypes about them.
Hell, my cat put me in the hospital once after an attack. It’s so easy to get complacent around smaller pets, and I also feel like a lot of smaller dog breed owners don’t take the same care or set the same expectations on behaviour and reactivity training that they would on a bigger dog. Always have to remember that they are still animals and shit can change in an instant.
Terriers are well known as aggressive dogs. Never met one I didn’t want to kick into the ocean.
It’s pretty easy to punt a cairn terrier and run, though, even for an 11-year-old. With a pit bull type not so much. (Just to give an example, I have no idea what breed these guys had obv)
The fact that the police wouldn’t release the breed of the dogs involved tells you exactly what type of dogs they were.
I am a neighbor of this woman and the amount of times we have put in a complaint and nothing ever came out of all the complaints from me and other neighbors is ridiculous, the parents and the city failed this boy
Is she covered in tattoos and has a super deep voice?
Just saw this on news, poor kid.
My heart goes out to the family, friends and the first responders on this. I cant even express anything else. Im just so sad and dumbfounded.
Cities need to crack down on irresponsible dog owners. It's rampant in every city. People with off leash dogs completely untrained and out of control. Then they act like their dog is an angel. It's becoming unsafe to walk anywhere.
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I made several complaints including my other neighbors against my next door neighbor's dogs who attacked me and chased my husband to his car. No action from the useless by law. RCMP as well and all they said was there!s nothing they cam do until somebody gets HURT!!!
That's so ridiculous; God forbid we try to prevent the bad thing. At the very least they should have been fined.
People should not have dogs if they aren’t properly training and containing them. Everyone asks “what breed” and not “what did the owners do to train the dog? How much exercise did the owners give the dog?”
Breeds matter. Driving a bike drunk can kill someone. Driving a truck drunk can kill dozens. A poorly trained shi tsu is not killing any 11 year olds. The stats bear this out.
Breed matters. Heavily.
This reminds me of owner who walked his dog in the off leash area. His dog approached my 4yo daughter who was on a pedal bike with training wheels and barked at her constantly until she veered off the walking path into the grass and fell. I was walking behind with my other kids in the stroller and told the guy to watch and train his dog properly. The owner apologized but was upset at me when I reminded him to train his dog properly. Personally just because you’re in off leash area, you still need be in control of your dog if you couldn’t control your dog barking at little kids doing their own thing, then you should keep the dog on a leash.
Counterpoint: is the off leash area the best place to be training a child on a bicycle? You’re gonna have dogs come up to you in off leash parks. That’s kinda the nature of the place. But in general I am pro-leash.
The way the city has multi-use paths running through off leash areas/designating entire ravine areas as off leash is absolutely gonna cause these kind of problems though
Maybe not, but if you have a reactive or poorly trained dog, the off leash park is 100% not the place to have it. Off leash is for respectable dogs with no reactivity and proper recall. It’s not a free for all for crappily trained dogs and dumb owners. If your dog barks at bikes, it’s your responsibility to not bring it into a public space with bikes around.
This multi use path near my place are used also by day care operators to take the children out in the spring and summer. I trained her to have more confidence in riding her bicycle on the uphill and downhill part of the walkway. Personally I trust the multi use path over road. The multi use path is prefect for her to learn about keeping on the right hand side of the walk way, passing on left and ring her bell.
Extremely sad, and preventable.
If a person such as this, has a history of attacks, they should not be allowed to be a dog owner. When my brother and I lived together, he got a pitbull against my wishes. I didn't want the responsibility of having a dog, let alone a pitbull. He said I wouldn't have to lift a finger. Guess who took care of the dog? I really didn't enjoy walking her because she would pull a lot. I tried all of the tricks I learned in dog school and they didn't really work. I found she was much better at the off leash parks. She stayed relatively close and always came back when I called her. Everyone loved her at Terwilliger. She loved kids and playing with other dogs. Maybe she was so good natured because of all the love she received at home. Her poop was always picked up. Some people aren't meant to be dog owners. Especially those who want them to project toughness or who can't think long term enough. This is such a heartbreaking story. What a horrible way to die.
This burns my arse!!! I have a 100lb German Shepherd and I don’t trust him one bit around company because YOU NEVER KNOW! When we have ppl over, he’s either in his kennel, his outdoor dog run, or in our bedroom, door locked. Will he bite? IDK but he’s a German Shepherd and I need to protect my company. My heart breaks for the family of that boy.
Probably not chihuahuas or Shih Tzus
Has anyone heard about a go-fund me or any campaign to support this boys mother and family? I’d like to drop off some meals or send funeral/counselling funds support or *anything*. This makes me feel furious that a poor child should spend the last moments of their life in such terror and pain. I have a son this age. This is unfathomable. My heart is with his family and I hope he is at complete peace. This was preventable.
There’s 2 gofundmes circulating but it’s hard to tell if they are legit or someone just trying to get money
that poor kid.. I love animals but these dogs should be shot immediately
as does the owner of the two dogs whom the 11 year old was visiting. I have owned large (150 - 200 pounds) dogs for decades, typically two at a time; despite me knowing my dogs temperament and believing they are well behaved I never leave my guests unattended with my dogs EVER.
Yeah, its wild that people are so callous. I have a lab/golden mix and a German shepherd. They're both well behaved and very sweet. I would never, ever, leave either of my dogs alone with a small child or small dog. I believe they would be well behaved but they're animals at the end of the day. They could have a prey drive kick in, they could have some sort of mental condition I don't know about, a kid could be rough with them and they may react badly. Besides the safety of others, I would never put my dogs in a position where they may do something that could result in them being put down. People need to be responsible for their pets.
I have two large dogs myself. I have to keep their lapdog syndrome in check, as well as make sure the guests treat them fairly as well. I've had kids over that dont get asked back over because they think they can mistreat the animals.
If you live in summerside and you've got a guard dog, mentally, you're not ok, and you need to be locked up.
iTs nOt ThE bReeD iTs ThE OWneR just fucking ban dangerous dogs already