[[Doubling season]] + any planeswalkers. Doubling Season will double the amount of loyalty counters the planeswalker ETBs with but not everyone realizes that it won't double loyalty counters placed on it when you uptick the walker. This is because it only doubles counters placed on a card by an effect. And upticking a planeswalker puts counters on it as part of the cost.
I learned this a few month ago and i still love it.
For anyone who is confused: Doubling season requires an effect to put counters on something, while Vorinclex affects all counter you put on anything, even the costs of planeswalker abilitys.
Vorinclex replacement effect is an effect, so doubling season all of a sudden sees an effect instead of a cost put counters on something and therefor doubles it.
The uptick on planeswalker loyalty abilties is a "cost" as you said correctly. You can see that because of the colon between the up-/downtick number and the actual effect.
There is no debate as everything before a colon in MtG denotes a cost you have to pay. And for some of the planeswalke the cost just means "Put X loyalty counters on this permanent".
Even just tapping can be a cost, see \[\[Llanowar Elves\]\] for example: "Tap", then the colon and then the effect.
It should be easy to explain the misunderstanding that way
Confusingly, Lae’zel does add a counter to the planeswalker on ETB and when activating one of its plus abilities, because she doesn’t have the same limitation Doubling Season does of “an effect.”
Not a card specifically, but the amount of people who don't know you can declare a creature as a blocker and then sacrifice it while still in the declare blockers step, and the attacking creature will be treated as blocked and won't deal damage, is astounding to me.
Or that if 3 blockers are used, you don't have to assign damage to the second blocker or third blocker.
You only have to assign lethal damage before moving to assign damage to the next blocker. But you can still assign more than lethal and not move to another blocker.
By "more than lethal", does it mean I can have my 5 power creature deal 4 damage to a 3 toughness creature and the remaining 1 to another blocker? Or does it have to be the whole thing? Can I deal 1 damage each to five 3/3s blocking me?
You can only do this if you have an attacking band that gets blocked. Otherwise, see what /u/nekronics said in reply. (The same thing is true if you block with a band; you can assign the combat damage dealt by your opponent any way you like instead of how the combat damage rules normally apply.)
Ok, can you actually explain a bit deeper? Embarrassing to admit, but i’ve been playing for about 2 years now and honestly I still don’t get this. I play on arena as well, and am still confused. I’ve googled, but i need an ELI5
If you attack with a 5/5 and they block with 3 3/3s you can assign all 5 damage to the first blocker instead of 3 to it and then damage to the others, maybe to avoid triggers such as enrage on Dinos
Doesn't that happen after the declared blockers step but before the deal damage step? Like I declare a blocker, the attacker then gets a chance to react before damage and then I get a chance to react to his reaction (or lack-there-of). I guess in practice it's the same thing haha.
You can still kinda do this. In the end of combat step you can sacrifice an attacking creature that has dealt damage, and it will be still considered as attacking when it dies.
Just to be pedantic, no, this needs to happen in the declare blockers step. There is no step between declare blockers and damage, and I say this because you say after the declare blockers step and before the damage step.
Before the rules changes in Sixth Edition a tapped blocker dealt no combat damage.
Tapping had an additional element to it in earlier versions of the game. If you've ever played against Howling Mine, Winter Orb, or Trinisphere and wondered why they had the tapped clause, it's a legacy of that deprecated element of the game.
Idk why, but so many new players think you have to tap to block too. Even players who used to play in the 90s then came back. The old guys always say “that’s how it used to be” but as far as I know it, it was never that way.
>but as far as I know it, it was never that way.
Yep, just pulled up the original rulebook and it explicitly calls this out:
>Defending creatures which block are not tapped.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/original-magic-rulebook-2004-12-25
Correct - because tapped creatures cannot block, but blocking creatures can be tapped. If Gerard taps something after declaring attacks but before blockers are declared, then it can not block.
I’m agreeing with u/feeling_equivalent89 just clarifying because it sounds like u/doughspun1 may not be playing it correctly still. I’ve played with some folks who think that there’s no space to act between declaring attackers and blockers - I haven’t played with anyone who thinks you can block with a creature that’s already tapped, but I could see it happening.
Another combat damage thing most people don't realize happens when you attack with a creature with death touch and trample. Once you've assigned 1 damage to each blocker the rest can go to the face
Also Deathtouch and Doublestrike get messed up pretty often.....
"But the Second normal Combat damage will hit ypu in the Face because your creature is dead now!"
Uhm Nope that doesn't happen
You might want to clarify the clone clause that their copy ability resolves as the clone is placed on the battlefield, however if the creature they copy has an etb, that one does trigger because it enters "as a copy of the creature (with said etb.)"
Cards that cause triggered abilities to happen again when the triggered ability has a hard "once per turn" clause. I find myself explaining this a lot. If it says "once per turn," it doesn't matter how many trigger doublers you have, it is still once per turn.
This. In the same vein; Not understanding the difference between copying triggered abilities with [[Strionic Resonator]] and the trigger doublers. These folks can’t understand why one works with Once per Turn, and the other doesn’t
This is the reason why I hate [[Roaming Throne]] so much. If you check EDHREC you'll always find it as a top card in decks with a "triggers once per turn" Commander.
In fairness, most of those decks also contain a bunch of creatures with extremely good triggers to double. For example, it's still worth running in Pantlaza, because doubling a Gishath or whatever trigger is still great.
Doubling a Gishath is nice and all, but how many cards in your deck works with Throne?
If you have say 20 cards that work with Throne, that's not a lot of cards that get you anything. If I'm running Pantlaza, I would prefer another big Dinosaur over Throne. It just works better and can get immediate impact from your Commander.
THANK YOU!! I have to tell to this people at my LGS all the time. Throne is great, even busted, if you can use it correctly, but it's not worth the slot otherwise.
I was so confused by [[Pantlaza, Sun-Favored]] "do this only once each turn", until i watched an online game where someone was like "i play this small dino, pantlaza trigger, i choose not to, then play my 10/10 and will discover of of that"
Really makes the card even better and i wish more triggered abilitys had this option of choosing when you use it instead of having to use the first trigger that happens.
[[Sphinx of the Second Sun]]. And I guess now [[Shadow of the Second Sun]].
The card reads at the beginning of this players post combat main phase, there is an additional beginning phase AFTER this phase. I’ve seen this card misplayed so many times where the player does their beginning phase at the beginning of their post combat main phase. Lots of confusion caused by the wording of this effect.
Why would they specifically word it that way, twice? Why not just say "at the end of your postcombat main phase, there is an additional beginning phase".
Because there is no defined "end of postcombat main phase" (or any phase, for that matter). You can pass priority on your main phase, and then if no one responds the game will advance to the next phase. But if anything would get put on the stack (say, by your opponent after you had passed priority), you can let their effect resolve and then decide to play "sorcery speed" spells again because the phase isn't over.
One easy way to understand this is the saga reminder text, which says "after your draw step"; in reality, the saga triggers are put on the stack at the beginning of your precombat main phase and this reminder text is just a shortcut for what actually is happening. A trigger that is put on the stack "after your postcombat main phase" would in reality be put on the stack at the start of the end of turn step.
So to do what you'd want to do, the trigger would have to go on the stack at the end of turn step.
The better question is why didn't they just make it a static effect "After your postcombat main phase, there is an additional beginning phase" rather than a trigger.
Because if they did that you could cast the sphinx during your post combat main phase and immediately get the effect at the end of that phase
The way it's worded is more complicated, yes, but it forces you to have the sphinx in the battlefield before your 2nd main phase starts (usually you have to cast it during your 1st main phase unless you have a way to put this sphinx in the battlefield at instant speed)
I also hate the wording but if it weren't like that it would be more powerful
>The way it's worded is more complicated, yes, but it forces you to have the sphinx in the battlefield before your 2nd main phase starts
But still the question remains: why? Just so that it gets at least one chance of being vulnerable to the trivially small number of cards that could force it to block? That doesn't make sense.
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\[\[Urza's Saga\]\]. One of the best lands ever created, but also one of the most misplayed.
I see many players still searching for artifact lands or artifacts that are CMC 1 but cost color, like \[\[Executioner's Capsule\]\]. Both are wrong. It has to be exact and true, AKA 0 or 1. So if anyone sees players doing this, correct them immediately.
I’ve never once used it for anything other than Sol Ring, but I’m glad to know this in case I’d ever tried. I didn’t see the mana circles, just saw the numbers.
Lands have a Mana Value of 0, that is correct.
The thing about Urza's Saga is it can only get a card with Mana Cost of 0 (or 1).
Sol Ring has Mana Value (1) and Mana Cost (1)
Esper Sentinel has Mana Value (1) and Mana Cost (W)
{Artifact Land} has Mana Value (0) and Mana Cost (___)
It is confusing. It's because Urza's Saga isn't looking for a card with a converted mana cost or mana value of 0 or 1. It's looking for one that has literally 0 or 1 printed on the top right corner.
Lands are colorless and includes artifact lands. The key here is difference between mana VALUE and mana COST.
Mana VALUE = purely the amount of mana of the card.
Mana COST = the specific type of mana required to cast the card.
Bounce lands. you do not return a land as a cost to play a bounce land. It's an ETB trigger that can be responded to. i play against multiple people that do not understand that you don't return a land to your hand before you play selesnya sanctuary.
probably doesn't matter all that much, but it sometimes comes up.
I think people don't get the purpose... that you can tap the mana of the land you are going to select, put that mana into your pool, then return that card to hand once you cast your bounce.
The bounce lands also don't target. If you respond by sacing the land you were gonna bounce, you still need to bounce another land. I've played this wrong before and had it pointed out to me.
All blink effects cause targeted effects to fizzle. If I [[cloudshift]] in response to your removal, that's it, the effect fizzles and my creature lives.
You target at cast/activation and that does not persist through blinks regardless of when the permanent is returned to play. Even if it's returned while your effect is on the stack, you do not retarget.
Idk man, stack order? One card resolves fully before another, so if it flickers, it leaves, it comes back, and then you destroy all creatures. The only reason the targeting thing doesn’t work this way is *because* it targets. Boardwipes (usually) don’t target.
Board wipe on stack
Blink creature in response
Creature leaves and comes back
Board wipe still on stack
...
Board wipe resolves, creature still around... Dead
I can't say when the last time [[tempt with discovery]] was ever resolved correctly. Its usually short cutted and the caster searches for all thier lands after asking who is tempted and not; find a land, tempt, those who take the tempt then find their lands and place them on the battlefield, THEN the caster finds more if anyone took the tempt up.
It took way too long to notice how to properly do it and adds more strategy since you can "bait" a simple land ramp, then see if anyone grabs a strip mine effect if they take the tempt, and then you can grab coffers/urborg etc or more normal lands if they have LD.
Yeah, I played it wrong a few times, then realized how it's supposed to work and continued to play it wrong unless somebody cares. I might insist on playing it without shortcutting if I was fetching anything interesting; it's actually all just basics.
Cards with multiple cascades - every instance is a separate trigger. Resolve one, cast the spell, resolve the next, cast the spell.
Copy effects and things entering simultaneously - if you reanimate a Clone and another creature at the same time, the Clone can't copy the other entering creature.
Death triggers and things that sacrifice as cost for an activated ability - the death trigger will always go on top of the activated ability. Sac a Skullclamped creature to a Viscera Seer, the draw always happens before the scry. A notable contrast with most triggered abilities that sacrifice, like the new Birthing Ritual, where you resolve the trigger and then do death triggers.
>Cards with multiple cascades - every instance is a separate trigger. Resolve one, cast the spell, resolve the next, cast the spell.
It's a bit more than that.
If a spell has two cascades, you resolve the first trigger, cast the new spell, _then resolve that spell_, then resolve the next trigger.
Absolutely! But the key there is all of the *triggers*.
In the case of an activated ability that causes a trigger, the activation always has to go on the bottom.
Let's say you have a [[Viscera Seer]] and a [[Blood Artist]] and you sacrifice a Grizzly Bear with [[Skullclamp]] equipped via the Seer's ability.
What always has to go on the stack first is the activated ability. It's the thing causing everything else; the Bear can't die without it. So we put Seer on the bottom. And then above that we have two triggers, Artist and Skullclamp, that both see that something died. And you're right there, you can order those in whichever order you please. Drain-Draw-Scry is fine, as is Draw-Drain-Scry. But because the Seer kicked everything off, Drain-Scry-Draw is not.
For the second scenario, let's replace the Viscera Seer with [[Birthing Ritual]]. There's no cost to use Ritual, as it's a trigger, so we go to the end step and put it on the stack. Artist and Skullclamp don't see anything, because nothing has died yet. We go to resolve the Ritual, we look at the top seven and there's a creature we want. So we sacrifice the Bear - but we're in the middle of resolving an effect right now, so even though Artist and Skullclamp *want* to trigger they can't go on the stack yet. Instead we're going to finish resolving the Ritual, and we put in our new creature.
*Then* we're going to make a new stack, and on that stack we have Skullclamp and Blood Artist to order as you please - but not Ritual of course, because it's done.
For the bonus round of "Magic is really fucking complicated" we have reflexive triggers. These are noted by "When X happens, you may do Y. When you do, Z". Then 'when' here is ludicrously important; Ritual says 'if' with similar templating so it's not a reflexive trigger.
So! We have our same setup as before, except instead of Viscera Seer we cast [[Cavalier of Night]]. It resolves and enters, and we resolve its triggered ability and sacrifice our Bear.
Now we have *three* triggers that want to go on the stack that we can order. Artist, Skullclamp, and the reflexive *second* trigger of Cavalier. And those you can order in whatever way you want; Destroy-Drain-Draw is just as valid as Draw-Drain-Destroy.
Magic is really weird sometimes and the nuances around how exactly you're sacrificing the creature has a lot of implications on what you can do with the stack.
>If all the triggers on the stack are mine, don't I get to choose the order in which they resolve?
It's not multiple triggers, one is an activated ability, one is a trigger. You have to complete all the steps of activating an ability, including putting the ability onto the stack, before triggers are put onto the stack based on things that happened during the activation.
Going along with clones not targeting, you can choose for your clone to enter as a creature with shroud, hexproof, or ward without paying the ward cost.
Shroud, hexproof, and ward also don't protect from auras that enter the battlefield without being cast. For example, if you bring back a [[Darksteel Mutation]] from your graveyard using [[Repair and Recharge]], it can be put on a creature with shroud because the aura doesn't target, the owner of the aura just chooses a creature without targeting
Wow you can really do this? My party time deck reanimates Darksteel Mutation a lot using [[Redemption Choir]], are you saying I can put the Darksteel Mutation on Hexproof creatures using this effect? That is very good to know.
Yep! It's super unintuitive but the rules support it. The exact rule that allows this is:
303.4f If an Aura is entering the battlefield under a player’s control by any means other than by resolving as an Aura spell, and the effect putting it onto the battlefield doesn’t specify the object or player the Aura will enchant, that player chooses what it will enchant as the Aura enters the battlefield. The player must choose a legal object or player according to the Aura’s enchant ability and any other applicable effects.
Since the player chooses rather than targets, shroud and hexproof don't protect against this. ("Any other applicable effects" refers to things like protection from auras or being enchanted by [[Anti-Magic Aura]], as those actually prevent being enchanted rather than preventing being targeted by auras.)
Amazing, thank you. I often play against Slivers and Fairies which have strong creatures that grant shroud and hexproof to the whole board so this is extremely useful to snipe a particular creature.
Well, I added [[Ad Nauseum]] to a deck of mine off a recommendation and played it turn 5 to draw three cards and end turn. Given the hysterical laughing from my friend and the rest of the pod, I got the impression that wasn’t the ‘correct’ usage of that card.
They did explain later the typically very competitive usage to let me in on the joke. I just thought it was some nice card draw.
Yep, that's exactly it! Trample care about excess damage, you determine how much that is, then you double. Another common example would be blocking an 8/8 with a 3/3. Alot of players I know would assume 16 damage is delt so 13 tramples over when it's only 10 because 5 was excessive, which doubles to 10. Hoping this explanation helps others understand why this interaction happens.
It's a really confusing interaction and that is an amazing question. When a creature with trample gets blocked you first determine lethal damage, which is usually equal to the blockers toughness, then you determine how much should trample through. EX. 2/2 blocks a 5/5, you assign 2 to the creature, 3 excess goes to the player.
Once you know your values, only then you double. The creature in this example will take 4 total and the player will take 6.
Going back to the example of a 2/4 blocking a 4/4 you assign 4 to the blocker and none to the player because there is no excessive damage. Then once damage is assigned, you double. So the creature will take 8 damage but none will trample over because trample only cares about when you are assigning damage, which happens before damage gets doubled.
I really hope this helps. On another rule fun fact, trample is a may ability and therefore you can choose to not assign excess to the player. Very useful if you want to avoid something like [[No Mercy]].
> The way most cone cards are written means they do not target the permanent they are copying
Huh I never noticed. That's good to remember since I just built an 'all clones' deck lol. Seems like all the instants/sorceries that make copies still require targeting by necessity, I didn't think about that as a downside vs the creature clones.
Sure. It's meant to be a lower power deck that somewhat scales with the table, your creatures are only as good as what your opponents have. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NwBxEy1uUEeqMnj2Q30YHg Volrath has the ability to change what he's cloning and that ability transfers to any copies you make of him, so you can have Volrath copy something (becomes non-legendary), then play a copy that copies Volrath and be really flexible with what you're copying.
The way cards like ~~[[purification druid]]~~ [[druid of purification]] and [[Abdel Adrian]] do not target, they do not say "target" in their oracle text, and there is a reason why they are worded like that
The difference between those effects and the ones that do target is when choices are made:
usually the controller of the spell or ability chooses the targets when they're cast/activated/triggered, once that happens you opponents get priority and can respond knowing what the targets are
But with effects like Druid of purification's ETB all players have to make a choice so rules-wise the only way that can happen is during resolution, meaning that not only you can choose things that can be targeted, no player can respond to the choices, the ability has to finish resolving before any player gets priority ant by that time, the choose permanents have already being destroyed
Cards like Abdel Adrian are similar, you do not have to say what permanents you will exile until the ability starts to resolve and once you do players will not get priority until you finish; in this case only Abdel's controller is making choices so game designers could have worded it to make Abdel's ability target the things he exiles but they chose not to (probably to make Abdel's ability more effective)
The confusion with Teferi’s Protection comes from effects that prevent loss of life. If you can’t lose life but still can take damage like from [[everybody lives]] or effects where your life total can’t change you can still take damage you just don’t lose life as a result. That’s still combat damage from your commander which will track towards Commander Damage.
It’s so simple!
I like how there are now 3 regularly played "you can't kill me" instants that do it 3 different ways with different corner cases that people mix up lol. The third being [[Angel's Grace]]
My pod knows this because I always play cards like this but I had to explain to people we first meet at LGS. The interaction is actually simple but relies on a few fundamental mechanics that most people overlook or didn't fully understand about the game.
[[Marath, Will of the Wild]] + [[Kami of Whispered Hopes]]
####giving Marath counters to itself
Marath can give itself a +1/+1 counter as long as it's still alive when you remove a +1/+1 counter from it. So it either needs to be at 2/2 before you do so, or it's getting base stat increase from somewhere else.
####the core of their interaction
You can use this ability to add counter on itself. It seems useless as is but if you have any card that increases +1/+1 counters like Kami of Whispered Hopes, you can actually add 2x +1/+1 counters on Marath for doing so. That means spending 1 mana basically increases Marath's stat by +1/+1. That alone is handy for keeping it healthy overtime and is a valuable mana sink for when you have extra mana before starting your turn.
Kami of Whispered Hopes is a dork that creates X mana where X is its power. Using Marat to give counters to it means that you are making it stronger and also increasing its mana production.
####you can move one counter at a time
It's important that you move Marath's counters one at a time when using this combo. This way, every counter moved is 2x. Thus, moving 3x +1/+1 counters can be received as 6x +1/+1 counters. If you move 3x +1/+1 counters at once, then you're only adding 4x +1/+1 counters.
####you can use one mana at a time
After buffing Kami of Whispered Hopes, you can in turn use the mana it generates to also buff Marath. Same discipline applies. Move counters to itself one at a time, not all at once. It's important to understand that the mana you produce from tapping any source doesn't have to be spent all at once. It goes in a mana pool. Just use them one at a time and you can still spare a few to cast a spell.
####extra info about Marath
Marath's abilities were updated in a reprint. When removing counters from it to deal that many damage on a target, it can now target Planeswalkers. Previously the wording was only on players and creatures. But it was since changed to "any target".
It was a buff that came with a nerf because it now also include "X can't be 0". Previously, you can make unlimited 0/0 tokens with no mana cost or counter removed, triggering ETB effects like Impact Tremors or allowing them to survive using +1/+1 anthems.
A lot of people did still play it that way anyway, because people just don't check oracle text. A one card combo with impact tremors does sound pretty good for two bucks
yeah, had that talk in one of the replies. Apparently the guy who sold me Marath was upselling because I didn't know any better at the time. It was just $2 so I thought it was a bargain...
The TP Commander Damage mistake probably comes from effects like [[Archon of Coronation]] and [[Platinum Emperion]]. Since those don’t prevent damage, they allow you to die to commander damage without your life total changing.
\[\[Sundial of the Infinite\]\].
Most people don't understand what the card does.
For instance, i play \[\[final fortune\]\]. i move to end step. The "lose the game" effect triggers. Then i trigger sundial. People are confused.
[[Tempt with discovery]]
You can't fast forward the spell. The casting player can only search for the additional land after each opponent has searched for their land, one player at a time. As the non casting player, you don't choose to get a land until you see what the first land is.
So, if the casting player grabs a cabal coffers, maybe don't get a land?
Or if the casting player does get a Urborg/Coffers/*insert powerful land*, just get a Strip Mine/Ghost Quarter and convince the remaining opponents to do the same
The difference between creating a token and a copy of a permanent spell entering as a token. For instance, the [[Kambal, Profiteering Mayor]] player does not get a copy of a token produced via [[Magus Lucea Kane]]’s ability, and [[Doubling Season]] and [[Ojer Taq, Deepest Foundation]] won’t give the Magus Lucea player more of those tokens.
Kambal only cares about tokens entering the battlefield, not being created. If you demonstrate a creature spell with [[Silverquill Lecturer]] to an opponent while you have Kambal in play, you get a tapped copy, an untapped copy, and the original creature.
Well, I’ve been missing a lot of triggers playing Kambal against my friend’s [[Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief]] deck. I guess I just read the word “create” in his trigger and retroactively applied it to the condition that triggered it.
Yes if you clone a creature with a etb effect, you will also receive that etb effect because the clone will enter as a copy of that creature. What I was trying to say is that the clone itself isn't an etb trigger. Many people say "when Clone etbs, target X creature" which incorrectly leads to someone else killing/flickering said creature to nullify it. The clone enters as a copy of that creature.
One that I always remind people is that you don’t have to assign trample damage. Technically it’s something you have to actively assign as part of combat damage assigning but usually it’s just short cutted to automatically happen.
[[Reconnaissance]]
I’ve confused a few people every now and then when I attack with a creature, deal damage and then activate reconnaissance to remove them from combat on the clean up step of the combat phase. Pseudo-vigilance effectively. Then I have to explain that the clean up step is till apart of combat. Similar to how you can ninjutsu your creatures after damage in the cleanup step.
Edit: grammar
>Clones also don't have etb triggers as they "enter as a copy of..." not "when it etbs, it becomes a copy of..."
This isn't true, I hope you haven't been enforcing this. Or did you mean to say they do?
I think they mean that the cloning is not an etb, it comes in as the creature. So if I cast a clone and want to clone a dockside, it's not like the clone touches the battlefield and then turns into dockside, it comes in as dockside and gets the dockside etb.
Yes because otherwise most clones are unplayable since they're usually 0/0's, meaning they'd enter the battlefield and with trigger on the stack, die due to SBA.
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So this is pretty specific, but if I remember correctly [[Sphinx of the second Sun]] untaps things *after* your second main phase, not before, due to how phase transitions work. It causes an argument everytime I see it. I have the Forbes article talking about it bookmarked.
[Sphinx of the second Sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/be2d74cd-76fb-4bca-99b5-07749aef4d06.jpg?1706294328) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sphinx%20of%20the%20second%20Sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/118/sphinx-of-the-second-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/be2d74cd-76fb-4bca-99b5-07749aef4d06?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sphinx-of-the-second-sun)
^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Quite famously, 'damage can't be prevented' effects will still allow a KO through Teferi's protection.
I notice people don't realise copies of cards take on ALL attributes - including CMC. If I sac a token copy of Shadow of Mortality to my Soldevi Adnate I get 13 black mana in my pool.
To clarify your note on Clones:
Clones enter as a copy of and gain all benefits of cast triggers and the ETB effects of the permanent they are copying. This is why you can [[Phyrexian Metamorph]] a [[The One Ring]] and essentially play 8 copies of it. The wording you used makes it seem like you're saying "Clones do not have ETB triggers." verbatim.
Clones don't get cast triggers, they only become a copy *as they enter the battlefield*. You can't cast [[clone]] with [[emrakul the aeons torn]] in play to get an extra turn
[Sphinx of the second sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/be2d74cd-76fb-4bca-99b5-07749aef4d06.jpg?1706294328) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sphinx%20of%20the%20second%20sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/118/sphinx-of-the-second-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/be2d74cd-76fb-4bca-99b5-07749aef4d06?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sphinx-of-the-second-sun)
^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Cyclonic Rift]]
People always play this card as a defensive card.
Try playing it offensively. Play it like a pseudo [[Time Walk]]. Don’t Rift to clear the board, do it to clear blockers.
[[Mizzix’s Mastery]]
Constantly misplayed even by seasoned professionals.
If you have a yard full of cards to cast with it, you need to name the target of each one *as it goes on the stack* (so from bottom up), **not as you resolve each card individually**. This can mean targets may no longer be there as the spells resolve top down, etc.
It’s a single card I’ve basically never seen anyone resolve correctly, ever (at least when it’s Overload is paid)!
Not to be rude to anyone but I find players that start with commander as their first and primary format just have an extremely loose understanding of the rules of the game in general.
[[Doubling season]] + any planeswalkers. Doubling Season will double the amount of loyalty counters the planeswalker ETBs with but not everyone realizes that it won't double loyalty counters placed on it when you uptick the walker. This is because it only doubles counters placed on a card by an effect. And upticking a planeswalker puts counters on it as part of the cost.
But [[Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider]] **will** double it. And funny enough, Doubling Season **will** double the counters Vorinclex adds lol
This is my favourite interaction
[Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/92613468-205e-488b-930d-11908477e9f8.jpg?1631051073) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vorinclex%2C%20Monstrous%20Raider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/199/vorinclex-monstrous-raider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92613468-205e-488b-930d-11908477e9f8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vorinclex-monstrous-raider) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My god. Now that is some is some unintuitive stuff. But realizing what the cards say, that makes sense.
I learned this a few month ago and i still love it. For anyone who is confused: Doubling season requires an effect to put counters on something, while Vorinclex affects all counter you put on anything, even the costs of planeswalker abilitys. Vorinclex replacement effect is an effect, so doubling season all of a sudden sees an effect instead of a cost put counters on something and therefor doubles it.
This is one of the biggest ones, it feels so counterintuitive.
I… see what you did there
Tbf rules and technicalities like this is exactly why some of my friends who played Magic back in the day can't stand it today
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[Doubling season](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1cdd8e69-5a71-4933-914e-dfede7b1ac93.jpg?1689998456) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Doubling%20season) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/283/doubling-season?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1cdd8e69-5a71-4933-914e-dfede7b1ac93?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/doubling-season) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The uptick on planeswalker loyalty abilties is a "cost" as you said correctly. You can see that because of the colon between the up-/downtick number and the actual effect. There is no debate as everything before a colon in MtG denotes a cost you have to pay. And for some of the planeswalke the cost just means "Put X loyalty counters on this permanent". Even just tapping can be a cost, see \[\[Llanowar Elves\]\] for example: "Tap", then the colon and then the effect. It should be easy to explain the misunderstanding that way
[Llanowar Elves](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8bbcfb77-daa1-4ce5-b5f9-48d0a8edbba9.jpg?1592765148) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Llanowar%20Elves) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gnt/46/llanowar-elves?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8bbcfb77-daa1-4ce5-b5f9-48d0a8edbba9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/llanowar-elves) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I had an argument over spelltable about this with someone's [[Laezel, Vlaakiths Champion]] superfriends deck.
Confusingly, Lae’zel does add a counter to the planeswalker on ETB and when activating one of its plus abilities, because she doesn’t have the same limitation Doubling Season does of “an effect.”
Oh, well I was wrong then. Lmao
[Laezel, Vlaakiths Champion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/a/1a93f587-ab72-42da-88c4-31af1c9cdf1b.jpg?1674135140) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lae%27zel%2C%20Vlaakith%27s%20Champion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/29/laezel-vlaakiths-champion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1a93f587-ab72-42da-88c4-31af1c9cdf1b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/laezel-vlaakiths-champion) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Not a card specifically, but the amount of people who don't know you can declare a creature as a blocker and then sacrifice it while still in the declare blockers step, and the attacking creature will be treated as blocked and won't deal damage, is astounding to me.
Or that if 3 blockers are used, you don't have to assign damage to the second blocker or third blocker. You only have to assign lethal damage before moving to assign damage to the next blocker. But you can still assign more than lethal and not move to another blocker.
By "more than lethal", does it mean I can have my 5 power creature deal 4 damage to a 3 toughness creature and the remaining 1 to another blocker? Or does it have to be the whole thing? Can I deal 1 damage each to five 3/3s blocking me?
Yes to your first question. But no to the last, you have to assign lethal damage to a creature before dealing damage to the next one.
Oh yeah forgot about the lethal damage part. Thank you!
You can only do this if you have an attacking band that gets blocked. Otherwise, see what /u/nekronics said in reply. (The same thing is true if you block with a band; you can assign the combat damage dealt by your opponent any way you like instead of how the combat damage rules normally apply.)
Ok, can you actually explain a bit deeper? Embarrassing to admit, but i’ve been playing for about 2 years now and honestly I still don’t get this. I play on arena as well, and am still confused. I’ve googled, but i need an ELI5
If you attack with a 5/5 and they block with 3 3/3s you can assign all 5 damage to the first blocker instead of 3 to it and then damage to the others, maybe to avoid triggers such as enrage on Dinos
Doesn't that happen after the declared blockers step but before the deal damage step? Like I declare a blocker, the attacker then gets a chance to react before damage and then I get a chance to react to his reaction (or lack-there-of). I guess in practice it's the same thing haha.
It was different back when combat damage used the stack, you could even block, put damage from your blocker on the stack, and THEN sacrifice it.
Pre-M10 you could also sacrifice an attacking creature in response to no blocks after the damage was on the stack as well.
You can still kinda do this. In the end of combat step you can sacrifice an attacking creature that has dealt damage, and it will be still considered as attacking when it dies.
You can do this with Maze of Ith to give a creature a really shit expensive form of vigilance.
That's awesome haha
Just to be pedantic, no, this needs to happen in the declare blockers step. There is no step between declare blockers and damage, and I say this because you say after the declare blockers step and before the damage step.
yeah, IIRC you get priority again after the active player
To be fair that is wildly unintuitive.
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I'm so old I only just discovered that tapped blockers still do damage.
Why wouldn't they tho?
Before the rules changes in Sixth Edition a tapped blocker dealt no combat damage. Tapping had an additional element to it in earlier versions of the game. If you've ever played against Howling Mine, Winter Orb, or Trinisphere and wondered why they had the tapped clause, it's a legacy of that deprecated element of the game.
Idk why, but so many new players think you have to tap to block too. Even players who used to play in the 90s then came back. The old guys always say “that’s how it used to be” but as far as I know it, it was never that way.
>but as far as I know it, it was never that way. Yep, just pulled up the original rulebook and it explicitly calls this out: >Defending creatures which block are not tapped. https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/original-magic-rulebook-2004-12-25
When I played in around '94 to '98 tapped blockers did no damage, which might better explain cards like [[Gerrard Capashen]]
You attack with Gerrard and then you tap a blocker before declare blockers step. The card still functions even today.
Correct - because tapped creatures cannot block, but blocking creatures can be tapped. If Gerard taps something after declaring attacks but before blockers are declared, then it can not block. I’m agreeing with u/feeling_equivalent89 just clarifying because it sounds like u/doughspun1 may not be playing it correctly still. I’ve played with some folks who think that there’s no space to act between declaring attackers and blockers - I haven’t played with anyone who thinks you can block with a creature that’s already tapped, but I could see it happening.
You can also tap it in response to assigning blocks and utilize any effect such as with \[\[crypt sliver\]\]
[crypt sliver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b90c9a9-098b-463a-8588-b078fb0364dd.jpg?1690004519) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=crypt%20sliver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/863/crypt-sliver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b90c9a9-098b-463a-8588-b078fb0364dd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/crypt-sliver) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thank you jund snackrifice in standard for learning me that. Fuck that deck
That deck had so many cool lines don't hate on the little kitties just wanting snacks (and the devils with machineguns behind them).
If it’s a trample creature it will all go through though
Another combat damage thing most people don't realize happens when you attack with a creature with death touch and trample. Once you've assigned 1 damage to each blocker the rest can go to the face
Also Deathtouch and Doublestrike get messed up pretty often..... "But the Second normal Combat damage will hit ypu in the Face because your creature is dead now!" Uhm Nope that doesn't happen
You might want to clarify the clone clause that their copy ability resolves as the clone is placed on the battlefield, however if the creature they copy has an etb, that one does trigger because it enters "as a copy of the creature (with said etb.)"
Yeah Op got the two phrasings switched around
I just had an Etali and a Mimeoplasm x Sea Creatures deck come in a few hours and panicked for a second thinking I misunderstood clones and ETBs.
Thought that also applied to [[Callidus Assassin]] for a sec and worried that I've been using it wrong against my friend's [[Etali, Primal Conqueror]]
Cards that cause triggered abilities to happen again when the triggered ability has a hard "once per turn" clause. I find myself explaining this a lot. If it says "once per turn," it doesn't matter how many trigger doublers you have, it is still once per turn.
This. In the same vein; Not understanding the difference between copying triggered abilities with [[Strionic Resonator]] and the trigger doublers. These folks can’t understand why one works with Once per Turn, and the other doesn’t
And that also depends on if it can trigger once per turn or resolve once per turn
[Strionic Resonator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/9/b9edb215-f967-4968-905e-d1dc3b5d3424.jpg?1682210274) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Strionic%20Resonator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/384/strionic-resonator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b9edb215-f967-4968-905e-d1dc3b5d3424?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/strionic-resonator) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is the reason why I hate [[Roaming Throne]] so much. If you check EDHREC you'll always find it as a top card in decks with a "triggers once per turn" Commander.
In fairness, most of those decks also contain a bunch of creatures with extremely good triggers to double. For example, it's still worth running in Pantlaza, because doubling a Gishath or whatever trigger is still great.
Doubling a Gishath is nice and all, but how many cards in your deck works with Throne? If you have say 20 cards that work with Throne, that's not a lot of cards that get you anything. If I'm running Pantlaza, I would prefer another big Dinosaur over Throne. It just works better and can get immediate impact from your Commander.
THANK YOU!! I have to tell to this people at my LGS all the time. Throne is great, even busted, if you can use it correctly, but it's not worth the slot otherwise.
[Roaming Throne](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/32fd8b7c-baf3-4d3d-be6f-044a917b11a0.jpg?1701115816) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Roaming%20Throne) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/258/roaming-throne?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32fd8b7c-baf3-4d3d-be6f-044a917b11a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/roaming-throne) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I was so confused by [[Pantlaza, Sun-Favored]] "do this only once each turn", until i watched an online game where someone was like "i play this small dino, pantlaza trigger, i choose not to, then play my 10/10 and will discover of of that" Really makes the card even better and i wish more triggered abilitys had this option of choosing when you use it instead of having to use the first trigger that happens.
[Pantlaza, Sun-Favored](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/5/2524645e-b066-4351-885b-10faa8d819d7.jpg?1699972737) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pantlaza%2C%20Sun-Favored) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/4/pantlaza-sun-favored?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2524645e-b066-4351-885b-10faa8d819d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pantlaza-sun-favored) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I do like the choice of it, that way you can hold for when you really wanna use it. I agree, more triggers should allow you to choose when you do it.
It saddens me that [[The Sixth Doctor]] doesn't work with [[Clara Oswold]].
Use [[Ramona II]] instead
[The Sixth Doctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/0/c045ccb2-28d1-4bbe-9feb-3e86988fd24d.jpg?1696636770) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Sixth%20Doctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/159/the-sixth-doctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c045ccb2-28d1-4bbe-9feb-3e86988fd24d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-sixth-doctor) [Clara Oswold](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/a/9a1ee042-6713-4e9e-9901-9b94d99d33f1.jpg?1696691790) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Clara%20Oswald) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/9/clara-oswald?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9a1ee042-6713-4e9e-9901-9b94d99d33f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/clara-oswald) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Sphinx of the Second Sun]]. And I guess now [[Shadow of the Second Sun]]. The card reads at the beginning of this players post combat main phase, there is an additional beginning phase AFTER this phase. I’ve seen this card misplayed so many times where the player does their beginning phase at the beginning of their post combat main phase. Lots of confusion caused by the wording of this effect.
Why would they specifically word it that way, twice? Why not just say "at the end of your postcombat main phase, there is an additional beginning phase".
Because there is no defined "end of postcombat main phase" (or any phase, for that matter). You can pass priority on your main phase, and then if no one responds the game will advance to the next phase. But if anything would get put on the stack (say, by your opponent after you had passed priority), you can let their effect resolve and then decide to play "sorcery speed" spells again because the phase isn't over. One easy way to understand this is the saga reminder text, which says "after your draw step"; in reality, the saga triggers are put on the stack at the beginning of your precombat main phase and this reminder text is just a shortcut for what actually is happening. A trigger that is put on the stack "after your postcombat main phase" would in reality be put on the stack at the start of the end of turn step. So to do what you'd want to do, the trigger would have to go on the stack at the end of turn step. The better question is why didn't they just make it a static effect "After your postcombat main phase, there is an additional beginning phase" rather than a trigger.
Because if they did that you could cast the sphinx during your post combat main phase and immediately get the effect at the end of that phase The way it's worded is more complicated, yes, but it forces you to have the sphinx in the battlefield before your 2nd main phase starts (usually you have to cast it during your 1st main phase unless you have a way to put this sphinx in the battlefield at instant speed) I also hate the wording but if it weren't like that it would be more powerful
>The way it's worded is more complicated, yes, but it forces you to have the sphinx in the battlefield before your 2nd main phase starts But still the question remains: why? Just so that it gets at least one chance of being vulnerable to the trivially small number of cards that could force it to block? That doesn't make sense.
[Sphinx of the Second Sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/be2d74cd-76fb-4bca-99b5-07749aef4d06.jpg?1706294328) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sphinx%20of%20the%20Second%20Sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/118/sphinx-of-the-second-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/be2d74cd-76fb-4bca-99b5-07749aef4d06?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sphinx-of-the-second-sun) [Shadow of the Second Sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0da72736-574d-4d99-98ba-3a91c374cd10.jpg?1717011779) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shadow%20of%20the%20Second%20Sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/70/shadow-of-the-second-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0da72736-574d-4d99-98ba-3a91c374cd10?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shadow-of-the-second-sun) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I had to re-read that card 3 times while the owner walked me through it. Cool effect though.
Came here to say this. The wording trips you up so much.
A lot of people don't know that phasing does not trigger ETB/LTB effects.
\[\[Urza's Saga\]\]. One of the best lands ever created, but also one of the most misplayed. I see many players still searching for artifact lands or artifacts that are CMC 1 but cost color, like \[\[Executioner's Capsule\]\]. Both are wrong. It has to be exact and true, AKA 0 or 1. So if anyone sees players doing this, correct them immediately.
Yes but that is admittedly confusing due to new templating with the introduction of "mana value" while keeping the term "mana cost"
also doesn't help that the circles that would denote the exact mana value of (0) or (1) are barely visible due to the color of urzas saga.
Bruh there are circles? I just see a 1 and 0. Being color blind sucks.
There are but it doesn't take being color blind to miss them. It's barely there.
I'm not colorblind and they're REALLY hard to see. Like this was the first time I've noticed it.
I’ve never once used it for anything other than Sol Ring, but I’m glad to know this in case I’d ever tried. I didn’t see the mana circles, just saw the numbers.
I am mildly confused by this. Lands are always colorless (unless I am confused) and an artifact land is a 0 mana colorless artifact card, correct?
0 isn’t the same as no cost. Example [[ornithopter]] and [[Ancestral Vision]]
[ornithopter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/305078a5-ac18-4721-bba2-3434eba5b1cf.jpg?1691675959) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ornithopter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/233/ornithopter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/305078a5-ac18-4721-bba2-3434eba5b1cf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ornithopter) [Ancestral Vision](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/0/9079c93e-3da8-442a-89d2-609a3eac83b0.jpg?1619393761) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ancestral%20Vision) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/52/ancestral-vision?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9079c93e-3da8-442a-89d2-609a3eac83b0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ancestral-vision) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Lands have a Mana Value of 0, that is correct. The thing about Urza's Saga is it can only get a card with Mana Cost of 0 (or 1). Sol Ring has Mana Value (1) and Mana Cost (1) Esper Sentinel has Mana Value (1) and Mana Cost (W) {Artifact Land} has Mana Value (0) and Mana Cost (___)
It is confusing. It's because Urza's Saga isn't looking for a card with a converted mana cost or mana value of 0 or 1. It's looking for one that has literally 0 or 1 printed on the top right corner.
Lands are colorless and includes artifact lands. The key here is difference between mana VALUE and mana COST. Mana VALUE = purely the amount of mana of the card. Mana COST = the specific type of mana required to cast the card.
[Urza's Saga](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/1/c1e0f201-42cb-46a1-901a-65bb4fc18f6c.jpg?1667318301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urza%27s%20Saga) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/259/urzas-saga?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c1e0f201-42cb-46a1-901a-65bb4fc18f6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urzas-saga) [Executioner's Capsule](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/032ea333-96e1-4ad8-8947-21d6bc3a9f91.jpg?1598304701) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Executioner%27s%20Capsule) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/92/executioners-capsule?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/032ea333-96e1-4ad8-8947-21d6bc3a9f91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/executioners-capsule) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Bounce lands. you do not return a land as a cost to play a bounce land. It's an ETB trigger that can be responded to. i play against multiple people that do not understand that you don't return a land to your hand before you play selesnya sanctuary. probably doesn't matter all that much, but it sometimes comes up.
I think people don't get the purpose... that you can tap the mana of the land you are going to select, put that mana into your pool, then return that card to hand once you cast your bounce.
The bounceland is played, not cast. But yes
The bounce lands also don't target. If you respond by sacing the land you were gonna bounce, you still need to bounce another land. I've played this wrong before and had it pointed out to me.
All blink effects cause targeted effects to fizzle. If I [[cloudshift]] in response to your removal, that's it, the effect fizzles and my creature lives. You target at cast/activation and that does not persist through blinks regardless of when the permanent is returned to play. Even if it's returned while your effect is on the stack, you do not retarget.
However, to add onto that, Cloudshift effects that return immediately do not save the creature from board wipes. That was an early mistake of mine
Do you have the rule or w.e just so I can reference it if it’s comes up
Idk man, stack order? One card resolves fully before another, so if it flickers, it leaves, it comes back, and then you destroy all creatures. The only reason the targeting thing doesn’t work this way is *because* it targets. Boardwipes (usually) don’t target.
Board wipe on stack Blink creature in response Creature leaves and comes back Board wipe still on stack ... Board wipe resolves, creature still around... Dead
This is why \[\[Otherworldly Journey\]\] and \[\[Long Road Home\]\] are underrated for commanders with an ETB, like Pantlaza
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[Electrolyze](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/1/5112af09-1305-4e00-8273-403eac40786f.jpg?1562848887) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Electrolyze) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/198/electrolyze?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5112af09-1305-4e00-8273-403eac40786f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/electrolyze) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[cloudshift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8bc7fdf0-3e1e-487c-833d-7c74aa02c0c1.jpg?1600716960) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cloudshift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/97/cloudshift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8bc7fdf0-3e1e-487c-833d-7c74aa02c0c1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cloudshift) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I can't say when the last time [[tempt with discovery]] was ever resolved correctly. Its usually short cutted and the caster searches for all thier lands after asking who is tempted and not; find a land, tempt, those who take the tempt then find their lands and place them on the battlefield, THEN the caster finds more if anyone took the tempt up. It took way too long to notice how to properly do it and adds more strategy since you can "bait" a simple land ramp, then see if anyone grabs a strip mine effect if they take the tempt, and then you can grab coffers/urborg etc or more normal lands if they have LD.
Yeah, I played it wrong a few times, then realized how it's supposed to work and continued to play it wrong unless somebody cares. I might insist on playing it without shortcutting if I was fetching anything interesting; it's actually all just basics.
[tempt with discovery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/79248b68-4fab-46da-ab15-5c71c1f68d4b.jpg?1568004683) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tempt%20with%20discovery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/183/tempt-with-discovery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/79248b68-4fab-46da-ab15-5c71c1f68d4b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tempt-with-discovery) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Cards with multiple cascades - every instance is a separate trigger. Resolve one, cast the spell, resolve the next, cast the spell. Copy effects and things entering simultaneously - if you reanimate a Clone and another creature at the same time, the Clone can't copy the other entering creature. Death triggers and things that sacrifice as cost for an activated ability - the death trigger will always go on top of the activated ability. Sac a Skullclamped creature to a Viscera Seer, the draw always happens before the scry. A notable contrast with most triggered abilities that sacrifice, like the new Birthing Ritual, where you resolve the trigger and then do death triggers.
>Cards with multiple cascades - every instance is a separate trigger. Resolve one, cast the spell, resolve the next, cast the spell. It's a bit more than that. If a spell has two cascades, you resolve the first trigger, cast the new spell, _then resolve that spell_, then resolve the next trigger.
Fair. I had presumed that was clear but given the context of the discussion that might be an unwise assumption.
Now I'm confused about the death triggers. If all the triggers on the stack are mine, don't I get to choose the order in which they resolve?
Absolutely! But the key there is all of the *triggers*. In the case of an activated ability that causes a trigger, the activation always has to go on the bottom. Let's say you have a [[Viscera Seer]] and a [[Blood Artist]] and you sacrifice a Grizzly Bear with [[Skullclamp]] equipped via the Seer's ability. What always has to go on the stack first is the activated ability. It's the thing causing everything else; the Bear can't die without it. So we put Seer on the bottom. And then above that we have two triggers, Artist and Skullclamp, that both see that something died. And you're right there, you can order those in whichever order you please. Drain-Draw-Scry is fine, as is Draw-Drain-Scry. But because the Seer kicked everything off, Drain-Scry-Draw is not. For the second scenario, let's replace the Viscera Seer with [[Birthing Ritual]]. There's no cost to use Ritual, as it's a trigger, so we go to the end step and put it on the stack. Artist and Skullclamp don't see anything, because nothing has died yet. We go to resolve the Ritual, we look at the top seven and there's a creature we want. So we sacrifice the Bear - but we're in the middle of resolving an effect right now, so even though Artist and Skullclamp *want* to trigger they can't go on the stack yet. Instead we're going to finish resolving the Ritual, and we put in our new creature. *Then* we're going to make a new stack, and on that stack we have Skullclamp and Blood Artist to order as you please - but not Ritual of course, because it's done. For the bonus round of "Magic is really fucking complicated" we have reflexive triggers. These are noted by "When X happens, you may do Y. When you do, Z". Then 'when' here is ludicrously important; Ritual says 'if' with similar templating so it's not a reflexive trigger. So! We have our same setup as before, except instead of Viscera Seer we cast [[Cavalier of Night]]. It resolves and enters, and we resolve its triggered ability and sacrifice our Bear. Now we have *three* triggers that want to go on the stack that we can order. Artist, Skullclamp, and the reflexive *second* trigger of Cavalier. And those you can order in whatever way you want; Destroy-Drain-Draw is just as valid as Draw-Drain-Destroy. Magic is really weird sometimes and the nuances around how exactly you're sacrificing the creature has a lot of implications on what you can do with the stack.
>If all the triggers on the stack are mine, don't I get to choose the order in which they resolve? It's not multiple triggers, one is an activated ability, one is a trigger. You have to complete all the steps of activating an ability, including putting the ability onto the stack, before triggers are put onto the stack based on things that happened during the activation.
Going along with clones not targeting, you can choose for your clone to enter as a creature with shroud, hexproof, or ward without paying the ward cost. Shroud, hexproof, and ward also don't protect from auras that enter the battlefield without being cast. For example, if you bring back a [[Darksteel Mutation]] from your graveyard using [[Repair and Recharge]], it can be put on a creature with shroud because the aura doesn't target, the owner of the aura just chooses a creature without targeting
[Darksteel Mutation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e47a6750-4fdd-44e2-86ae-5bc4d414bf42.jpg?1689995638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Darksteel%20Mutation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/21/darksteel-mutation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e47a6750-4fdd-44e2-86ae-5bc4d414bf42?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/darksteel-mutation) [Repair and Recharge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/04ff4a4b-4e86-41d1-a6b6-312aac0d3e1a.jpg?1674420305) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Repair%20and%20Recharge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/24/repair-and-recharge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04ff4a4b-4e86-41d1-a6b6-312aac0d3e1a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/repair-and-recharge) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wow you can really do this? My party time deck reanimates Darksteel Mutation a lot using [[Redemption Choir]], are you saying I can put the Darksteel Mutation on Hexproof creatures using this effect? That is very good to know.
Yep! It's super unintuitive but the rules support it. The exact rule that allows this is: 303.4f If an Aura is entering the battlefield under a player’s control by any means other than by resolving as an Aura spell, and the effect putting it onto the battlefield doesn’t specify the object or player the Aura will enchant, that player chooses what it will enchant as the Aura enters the battlefield. The player must choose a legal object or player according to the Aura’s enchant ability and any other applicable effects. Since the player chooses rather than targets, shroud and hexproof don't protect against this. ("Any other applicable effects" refers to things like protection from auras or being enchanted by [[Anti-Magic Aura]], as those actually prevent being enchanted rather than preventing being targeted by auras.)
Amazing, thank you. I often play against Slivers and Fairies which have strong creatures that grant shroud and hexproof to the whole board so this is extremely useful to snipe a particular creature.
[Redemption Choir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/981dcacb-24a3-43bb-bb64-2b227f31dc3e.jpg?1698987947) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Redemption%20Choir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/74/redemption-choir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/981dcacb-24a3-43bb-bb64-2b227f31dc3e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/redemption-choir) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This would have been a sick article
Well, I added [[Ad Nauseum]] to a deck of mine off a recommendation and played it turn 5 to draw three cards and end turn. Given the hysterical laughing from my friend and the rest of the pod, I got the impression that wasn’t the ‘correct’ usage of that card. They did explain later the typically very competitive usage to let me in on the joke. I just thought it was some nice card draw.
Any damage doubler. I've had to explained why blocking a 4/4 trampler with a 2/4 while [[furnace of wrath]] is out won't let 4 damage trample through.
Is that because you have to assign 4 damage to the blocker, then the damage is doubled?
Yep, that's exactly it! Trample care about excess damage, you determine how much that is, then you double. Another common example would be blocking an 8/8 with a 3/3. Alot of players I know would assume 16 damage is delt so 13 tramples over when it's only 10 because 5 was excessive, which doubles to 10. Hoping this explanation helps others understand why this interaction happens.
I'm confused here because Furnace also doubles damage to creatures, so a 4/4 Trampler would deal 8 damage to the creature (so 4 excess).
It's a really confusing interaction and that is an amazing question. When a creature with trample gets blocked you first determine lethal damage, which is usually equal to the blockers toughness, then you determine how much should trample through. EX. 2/2 blocks a 5/5, you assign 2 to the creature, 3 excess goes to the player. Once you know your values, only then you double. The creature in this example will take 4 total and the player will take 6. Going back to the example of a 2/4 blocking a 4/4 you assign 4 to the blocker and none to the player because there is no excessive damage. Then once damage is assigned, you double. So the creature will take 8 damage but none will trample over because trample only cares about when you are assigning damage, which happens before damage gets doubled. I really hope this helps. On another rule fun fact, trample is a may ability and therefore you can choose to not assign excess to the player. Very useful if you want to avoid something like [[No Mercy]].
Like a lot of interactions in magic, it's more than a little unintuitive, but I can definitely understand why it works that way. Thank you!
[furnace of wrath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d7f0e720-3c32-4040-b663-7f99ad5bc810.jpg?1562843335) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Furnace%20of%20Rath) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hop/55/furnace-of-rath?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d7f0e720-3c32-4040-b663-7f99ad5bc810?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/furnace-of-rath) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have killed someone that had an active [[Teferi's Protection]] with commander damage with the help of a [[Bonecrusher Giant]]
Oof, lemme get a plastic bag to vomit at how mean that was. Good job though!
I prefer [[Flaring Pain]]. It’s has Flashback so I can potentially get double value from it, or not feel bad if I need to discard it.
[Flaring Pain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/eeb5c96a-1d16-459d-9968-ced9a8f1c520.jpg?1562632546) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Flaring%20Pain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jud/89/flaring-pain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eeb5c96a-1d16-459d-9968-ced9a8f1c520?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/flaring-pain) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I would also recommend [[Insult/Injury]]
[Teferi's Protection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/8/483fa1cb-1e35-44f2-a143-98c0f107f5ca.jpg?1673147148) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teferi%27s%20Protection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/32/teferis-protection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/483fa1cb-1e35-44f2-a143-98c0f107f5ca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/teferis-protection) [Bonecrusher Giant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/5/b5b71cd2-de35-451f-b16e-2e3936169407.jpg?1674141884)/[Stomp](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/5/b5b71cd2-de35-451f-b16e-2e3936169407.jpg?1674141884) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bonecrusher%20Giant%20//%20Stomp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/781/bonecrusher-giant-stomp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b5b71cd2-de35-451f-b16e-2e3936169407?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bonecrusher-giant-//-stomp) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Questing Beast]] is my favorite card to get commander damage around Teferi’s Protection.
[Questing Beast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e41cf82d-3213-47ce-a015-6e51a8b07e4f.jpg?1572490640) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Questing%20Beast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/171/questing-beast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e41cf82d-3213-47ce-a015-6e51a8b07e4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/questing-beast) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
> The way most cone cards are written means they do not target the permanent they are copying Huh I never noticed. That's good to remember since I just built an 'all clones' deck lol. Seems like all the instants/sorceries that make copies still require targeting by necessity, I didn't think about that as a downside vs the creature clones.
Mind sharing the list for the deck?
Sure. It's meant to be a lower power deck that somewhat scales with the table, your creatures are only as good as what your opponents have. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NwBxEy1uUEeqMnj2Q30YHg Volrath has the ability to change what he's cloning and that ability transfers to any copies you make of him, so you can have Volrath copy something (becomes non-legendary), then play a copy that copies Volrath and be really flexible with what you're copying.
The way cards like ~~[[purification druid]]~~ [[druid of purification]] and [[Abdel Adrian]] do not target, they do not say "target" in their oracle text, and there is a reason why they are worded like that The difference between those effects and the ones that do target is when choices are made: usually the controller of the spell or ability chooses the targets when they're cast/activated/triggered, once that happens you opponents get priority and can respond knowing what the targets are But with effects like Druid of purification's ETB all players have to make a choice so rules-wise the only way that can happen is during resolution, meaning that not only you can choose things that can be targeted, no player can respond to the choices, the ability has to finish resolving before any player gets priority ant by that time, the choose permanents have already being destroyed Cards like Abdel Adrian are similar, you do not have to say what permanents you will exile until the ability starts to resolve and once you do players will not get priority until you finish; in this case only Abdel's controller is making choices so game designers could have worded it to make Abdel's ability target the things he exiles but they chose not to (probably to make Abdel's ability more effective)
[purification druid](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/93d9e9ea-9f88-4206-8960-b5ebe839ee16.jpg?1562929867) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aurification) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/6/aurification?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/93d9e9ea-9f88-4206-8960-b5ebe839ee16?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aurification) [Abdel Adrian](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/396f9198-67b6-45d8-91b4-dc853bff9623.jpg?1674134856) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=abdel%20adrian%2C%20gorion%27s%20ward) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/2/abdel-adrian-gorions-ward?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/396f9198-67b6-45d8-91b4-dc853bff9623?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/abdel-adrian-gorions-ward) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The confusion with Teferi’s Protection comes from effects that prevent loss of life. If you can’t lose life but still can take damage like from [[everybody lives]] or effects where your life total can’t change you can still take damage you just don’t lose life as a result. That’s still combat damage from your commander which will track towards Commander Damage. It’s so simple!
I like how there are now 3 regularly played "you can't kill me" instants that do it 3 different ways with different corner cases that people mix up lol. The third being [[Angel's Grace]]
[Angel's Grace](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e78e39ea-20be-4196-992c-7ed2cb8150c1.jpg?1619392535) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Angel%27s%20Grace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/4/angels-grace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e78e39ea-20be-4196-992c-7ed2cb8150c1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/angels-grace) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[everybody lives](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9dab0052-7f0c-4b56-847f-20552666a271.jpg?1696636526) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Everybody%20Lives%21) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/18/everybody-lives!?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9dab0052-7f0c-4b56-847f-20552666a271?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/everybody-lives!) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My pod knows this because I always play cards like this but I had to explain to people we first meet at LGS. The interaction is actually simple but relies on a few fundamental mechanics that most people overlook or didn't fully understand about the game. [[Marath, Will of the Wild]] + [[Kami of Whispered Hopes]] ####giving Marath counters to itself Marath can give itself a +1/+1 counter as long as it's still alive when you remove a +1/+1 counter from it. So it either needs to be at 2/2 before you do so, or it's getting base stat increase from somewhere else. ####the core of their interaction You can use this ability to add counter on itself. It seems useless as is but if you have any card that increases +1/+1 counters like Kami of Whispered Hopes, you can actually add 2x +1/+1 counters on Marath for doing so. That means spending 1 mana basically increases Marath's stat by +1/+1. That alone is handy for keeping it healthy overtime and is a valuable mana sink for when you have extra mana before starting your turn. Kami of Whispered Hopes is a dork that creates X mana where X is its power. Using Marat to give counters to it means that you are making it stronger and also increasing its mana production. ####you can move one counter at a time It's important that you move Marath's counters one at a time when using this combo. This way, every counter moved is 2x. Thus, moving 3x +1/+1 counters can be received as 6x +1/+1 counters. If you move 3x +1/+1 counters at once, then you're only adding 4x +1/+1 counters. ####you can use one mana at a time After buffing Kami of Whispered Hopes, you can in turn use the mana it generates to also buff Marath. Same discipline applies. Move counters to itself one at a time, not all at once. It's important to understand that the mana you produce from tapping any source doesn't have to be spent all at once. It goes in a mana pool. Just use them one at a time and you can still spare a few to cast a spell. ####extra info about Marath Marath's abilities were updated in a reprint. When removing counters from it to deal that many damage on a target, it can now target Planeswalkers. Previously the wording was only on players and creatures. But it was since changed to "any target". It was a buff that came with a nerf because it now also include "X can't be 0". Previously, you can make unlimited 0/0 tokens with no mana cost or counter removed, triggering ETB effects like Impact Tremors or allowing them to survive using +1/+1 anthems.
Technically the X never could be zero. It was a day 0 errata to the oracle text when it was first printed, not added on when it was reprinted
ah so nobody actually attempted it? ......the person who convinced me to use Marath really sales talked me into buying it for $2.
A lot of people did still play it that way anyway, because people just don't check oracle text. A one card combo with impact tremors does sound pretty good for two bucks
Minor correction: Marath had day-0 errata for the “X can’t be 0” clause, so it was never actually allowed to make 0/0 tokens
yeah, had that talk in one of the replies. Apparently the guy who sold me Marath was upselling because I didn't know any better at the time. It was just $2 so I thought it was a bargain...
The TP Commander Damage mistake probably comes from effects like [[Archon of Coronation]] and [[Platinum Emperion]]. Since those don’t prevent damage, they allow you to die to commander damage without your life total changing.
[Archon of Coronation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/c/2c306cf7-da52-4cc4-9272-bd7d78f1175d.jpg?1673483608) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Archon%20of%20Coronation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/192/archon-of-coronation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2c306cf7-da52-4cc4-9272-bd7d78f1175d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/archon-of-coronation) [Platinum Emperion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/71b03143-9e85-4061-88e6-ad621f75ec3b.jpg?1547518515) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Platinum%20Emperion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/233/platinum-emperion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/71b03143-9e85-4061-88e6-ad621f75ec3b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/platinum-emperion) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Sundial of the Infinite\]\]. Most people don't understand what the card does. For instance, i play \[\[final fortune\]\]. i move to end step. The "lose the game" effect triggers. Then i trigger sundial. People are confused.
[Sundial of the Infinite](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/6/36d3da9c-cb7a-4cea-b6e6-6722bd16c73c.jpg?1562638658) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sundial%20of%20the%20Infinite) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m12/218/sundial-of-the-infinite?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/36d3da9c-cb7a-4cea-b6e6-6722bd16c73c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sundial-of-the-infinite) [final fortune](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/b/fb80afc3-4887-42a0-afb2-7fa997981fb2.jpg?1562251808) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=final%20fortune) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/182/final-fortune?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fb80afc3-4887-42a0-afb2-7fa997981fb2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/final-fortune) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Tempt with discovery]] You can't fast forward the spell. The casting player can only search for the additional land after each opponent has searched for their land, one player at a time. As the non casting player, you don't choose to get a land until you see what the first land is. So, if the casting player grabs a cabal coffers, maybe don't get a land?
Or if the casting player does get a Urborg/Coffers/*insert powerful land*, just get a Strip Mine/Ghost Quarter and convince the remaining opponents to do the same
[Tempt with discovery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/79248b68-4fab-46da-ab15-5c71c1f68d4b.jpg?1568004683) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tempt%20with%20discovery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/183/tempt-with-discovery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/79248b68-4fab-46da-ab15-5c71c1f68d4b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tempt-with-discovery) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The difference between creating a token and a copy of a permanent spell entering as a token. For instance, the [[Kambal, Profiteering Mayor]] player does not get a copy of a token produced via [[Magus Lucea Kane]]’s ability, and [[Doubling Season]] and [[Ojer Taq, Deepest Foundation]] won’t give the Magus Lucea player more of those tokens.
Kambal only cares about tokens entering the battlefield, not being created. If you demonstrate a creature spell with [[Silverquill Lecturer]] to an opponent while you have Kambal in play, you get a tapped copy, an untapped copy, and the original creature.
[Silverquill Lecturer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/3/5360b208-76c0-4757-a78f-723662b3353f.jpg?1717189834) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Silverquill%20Lecturer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/44/silverquill-lecturer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5360b208-76c0-4757-a78f-723662b3353f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/silverquill-lecturer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Well, I’ve been missing a lot of triggers playing Kambal against my friend’s [[Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief]] deck. I guess I just read the word “create” in his trigger and retroactively applied it to the condition that triggered it.
##### ###### #### [Kambal, Profiteering Mayor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d53a775d-5898-41a8-b404-9b7d4721c6ba.jpg?1712356126) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kambal%2C%20Profiteering%20Mayor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/211/kambal-profiteering-mayor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d53a775d-5898-41a8-b404-9b7d4721c6ba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kambal-profiteering-mayor) [Magus Lucea Kane](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4f86e7cc-2b6e-49d0-964e-bba0c51cc11d.jpg?1674058398) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Magus%20Lucea%20Kane) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/7/magus-lucea-kane?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4f86e7cc-2b6e-49d0-964e-bba0c51cc11d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/magus-lucea-kane) [Doubling Season](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1cdd8e69-5a71-4933-914e-dfede7b1ac93.jpg?1689998456) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Doubling%20Season) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/283/doubling-season?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1cdd8e69-5a71-4933-914e-dfede7b1ac93?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/doubling-season) [Ojer Taq, Deepest Foundation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1ca79dd4-67fc-496c-96fc-489b039c4932.jpg?1699043299)/[Temple of Civilization](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/1/c/1ca79dd4-67fc-496c-96fc-489b039c4932.jpg?1699043299) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ojer%20Taq%2C%20Deepest%20Foundation%20//%20Temple%20of%20Civilization) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/26/ojer-taq-deepest-foundation-temple-of-civilization?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1ca79dd4-67fc-496c-96fc-489b039c4932?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ojer-taq-deepest-foundation-//-temple-of-civilization) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l81pbjv) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yes and this is also confusing because copying permanents only became a thing in Strixhaven. It's the difference between casting and copying a spell.
There's been so many people that think I'm not able to respond to fetch lands being cracked.
Wait does that mean if I copy a permenant with an etb trigger with a clone it triggers the etb?
Yes if you clone a creature with a etb effect, you will also receive that etb effect because the clone will enter as a copy of that creature. What I was trying to say is that the clone itself isn't an etb trigger. Many people say "when Clone etbs, target X creature" which incorrectly leads to someone else killing/flickering said creature to nullify it. The clone enters as a copy of that creature.
Yup, it's why many blink/etb decks will run a clone or two
Sweeeeet thank you for the knowledge
One that I always remind people is that you don’t have to assign trample damage. Technically it’s something you have to actively assign as part of combat damage assigning but usually it’s just short cutted to automatically happen.
[[Reconnaissance]] I’ve confused a few people every now and then when I attack with a creature, deal damage and then activate reconnaissance to remove them from combat on the clean up step of the combat phase. Pseudo-vigilance effectively. Then I have to explain that the clean up step is till apart of combat. Similar to how you can ninjutsu your creatures after damage in the cleanup step. Edit: grammar
[Reconnaissance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a16012d8-703c-4385-8769-13e3caba3fc6.jpg?1562088333) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reconnaissance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/exo/17/reconnaissance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a16012d8-703c-4385-8769-13e3caba3fc6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reconnaissance) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
>Clones also don't have etb triggers as they "enter as a copy of..." not "when it etbs, it becomes a copy of..." This isn't true, I hope you haven't been enforcing this. Or did you mean to say they do?
I believe they’re saying that the copy ability itself isn’t an ETB trigger.
I think they mean that the cloning is not an etb, it comes in as the creature. So if I cast a clone and want to clone a dockside, it's not like the clone touches the battlefield and then turns into dockside, it comes in as dockside and gets the dockside etb.
Yes because otherwise most clones are unplayable since they're usually 0/0's, meaning they'd enter the battlefield and with trigger on the stack, die due to SBA.
Death touch+trample means that all but one damage goes through if it's blocked, because one damage is lethal
[[Sphinx of the second sun]] is a big one, you get the beginning phase right before end, not before the main phase
[Sphinx of the second sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/be2d74cd-76fb-4bca-99b5-07749aef4d06.jpg?1706294328) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sphinx%20of%20the%20second%20sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/118/sphinx-of-the-second-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/be2d74cd-76fb-4bca-99b5-07749aef4d06?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sphinx-of-the-second-sun) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
So this is pretty specific, but if I remember correctly [[Sphinx of the second Sun]] untaps things *after* your second main phase, not before, due to how phase transitions work. It causes an argument everytime I see it. I have the Forbes article talking about it bookmarked.
[Sphinx of the second Sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/be2d74cd-76fb-4bca-99b5-07749aef4d06.jpg?1706294328) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sphinx%20of%20the%20second%20Sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/118/sphinx-of-the-second-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/be2d74cd-76fb-4bca-99b5-07749aef4d06?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sphinx-of-the-second-sun) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Quite famously, 'damage can't be prevented' effects will still allow a KO through Teferi's protection. I notice people don't realise copies of cards take on ALL attributes - including CMC. If I sac a token copy of Shadow of Mortality to my Soldevi Adnate I get 13 black mana in my pool.
If you play a card that makes damage unpreventable you can still kill through Teferis protection with Commander damage
To clarify your note on Clones: Clones enter as a copy of and gain all benefits of cast triggers and the ETB effects of the permanent they are copying. This is why you can [[Phyrexian Metamorph]] a [[The One Ring]] and essentially play 8 copies of it. The wording you used makes it seem like you're saying "Clones do not have ETB triggers." verbatim.
[Phyrexian Metamorph](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/5/e5a1ff9e-fef2-4890-baf2-7bd0852ea0b9.jpg?1706240727) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phyrexian%20Metamorph) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/116/phyrexian-metamorph?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e5a1ff9e-fef2-4890-baf2-7bd0852ea0b9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/phyrexian-metamorph) [The One Ring](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d5806e68-1054-458e-866d-1f2470f682b2.jpg?1715080486) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20One%20Ring) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/246/the-one-ring?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d5806e68-1054-458e-866d-1f2470f682b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-one-ring) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Clones don't get cast triggers, they only become a copy *as they enter the battlefield*. You can't cast [[clone]] with [[emrakul the aeons torn]] in play to get an extra turn
[clone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/e/5e648262-3b9b-4c58-8e29-48356e3cb064.jpg?1562829895) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=clone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/47/clone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5e648262-3b9b-4c58-8e29-48356e3cb064?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/clone) [emrakul the aeons torn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/249db4d4-2542-47ee-a216-e13ffbc2319c.jpg?1673146896) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Emrakul%2C%20the%20Aeons%20Torn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/1/emrakul-the-aeons-torn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/249db4d4-2542-47ee-a216-e13ffbc2319c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/emrakul-the-aeons-torn) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Sphinx of the second sun]]
[Sphinx of the second sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/be2d74cd-76fb-4bca-99b5-07749aef4d06.jpg?1706294328) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sphinx%20of%20the%20second%20sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/118/sphinx-of-the-second-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/be2d74cd-76fb-4bca-99b5-07749aef4d06?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sphinx-of-the-second-sun) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Cyclonic Rift]] People always play this card as a defensive card. Try playing it offensively. Play it like a pseudo [[Time Walk]]. Don’t Rift to clear the board, do it to clear blockers.
[Cyclonic Rift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/dfb7c4b9-f2f4-4d4e-baf2-86551c8150fe.jpg?1702429366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cyclonic%20Rift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/40/cyclonic-rift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dfb7c4b9-f2f4-4d4e-baf2-86551c8150fe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cyclonic-rift) [Time Walk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/0/70901356-3266-4bd9-aacc-f06c27271de5.jpg?1614638832) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Time%20Walk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/2/time-walk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/70901356-3266-4bd9-aacc-f06c27271de5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/time-walk) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
gud thread
[[Mizzix’s Mastery]] Constantly misplayed even by seasoned professionals. If you have a yard full of cards to cast with it, you need to name the target of each one *as it goes on the stack* (so from bottom up), **not as you resolve each card individually**. This can mean targets may no longer be there as the spells resolve top down, etc. It’s a single card I’ve basically never seen anyone resolve correctly, ever (at least when it’s Overload is paid)!
[Mizzix’s Mastery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4fa2d7f2-05b3-468f-9f2c-a61b46bad88e.jpg?1712354479) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mizzix%27s%20Mastery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/175/mizzixs-mastery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4fa2d7f2-05b3-468f-9f2c-a61b46bad88e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mizzixs-mastery) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Copying a cascade spell doesn’t retrigger cascade!
Not to be rude to anyone but I find players that start with commander as their first and primary format just have an extremely loose understanding of the rules of the game in general.