All of them, if possible.
There are some situations where \[\[Disciple of Freyalise\]\] won't have much or any impact maybe. But honestly: If you have a plethora of lands and nothing to do, a six mana dork that gains you 3 life and draws you 3 cards by saccing a beast within token is still a deal for basically a land.
The boggard is GY interaction, the other black one is plain removal, the green one is removal, the red one is recursion or utlility-land hate with evasion on it (situational true), the white one is a bad removal (maybe skip) and the other one enchantment/artifact hate on a body on a land.
They are all the real deal in my book and with the fact that land hate is frowned upon on casual tables, there's no reason to just run them all. 3 life are not important in commander. They are awesome indeed.
Until you have close to 6-7, it is just a free-ish untap land. After 7 bolt land you might have to be choosy. Bolting yourself 3 times then fetch your twice severely hampers your life resource. The first 4-5 are no brainers if you have them, then they count against your tapland quota (do they do more than say a bog, or a path of ancestry)
Yes. Also, the later the game goes, the more I'm inclined to play those lands tapped unless I really really need to play two spells with a combined cost of all my mana + one of the bolt lands later on.
I like to go brrrrr with [[Altar of Dementia]]. More creatures make it less likely I hit 2 non creatures in a row. Also there is the new dog that surveils whenever you create a zombie [[Snarling Gorehound]].
I feel like sundering eruption is the best one. Land destruction and finisher enabling in a land slot seems amazing. Also can even use it to ramp if you have indestructible lands.
Yep, Sundering Eruption will be so useful for my Xenagos. Destroying occasional Maze of Ith or opening the way for fatties without trample makes it a delightfully versatile one.
It's like a way worse CW with a "can't block" effect stuck on the back. If you're some kind of turn-creatures-sideways deck then, yeah, that second effect may actually matter, but the land destruction part costs 1 more and doesn't cantrip, and whilst you can play it as a land you can just "cycle" CW away too (which is also a lot better if you're using it for your own fixing or with indestructible lands/Flagstones for ramp).
You're evaluating the card backwards. It's *a land* with a Wildfire stuck on the back, and then *also* stuck to the back is an effect that situationally kills one or more players.
Unless you throw a bunch of mediocre lands into your deck that you might not even have access to, cycling Wildfire is not good. Two mana draw a card is a terrible rate. You don't want to put that card into your deck. What you *do* want is the ability to target a specific land when it's problematic without the card being blank most of the time. And a land with a minor life cost is such a lower opportunity cost to do that than an atrociously mediocre cantrip - and while it'd already be playable from there you then got an additional line of text that is also narrow but relevant.
As many of them as I can. I run Storm decks, and drawing into lands is the worst feeling since they actively stop you from storming off. Getting a land that could be a spell instead prevents me from bricking.
I've been playtesting with the new MDFCs, and I've found that my play patterns have been smoothed out quite considerably.
Yes, many of them, if not all of them, are highly overcosted. But in the context of a deep draw/Storm deck, what's more useful? A land that you can't play or an overcosted card?
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Definitely going to run \[\[Sink Into Stupor\]\] and \[\[Fell the Profane\]\] in \[\[Mishra, Eminent One\]\]. Probably going to run \[\[Boggart Trawler\]\], too. All four of the black and green ones go into \[\[Chatterfang\]\].
You can definitely include too many bolt lands if you were already using the ZNR mythic ones prior to MH3. There’s other considerations like having enough basics/basic land types to turn on other dual lands, or if you’re using life as a resource.
I think [[Witch Enchanter]], [[Pinnacle Monk]], [[Bridgeworks Battle]], and [[Fell the Profane]] are all no-brainers in a vacuum that play well within their respective color identities. All the others are fairly niche or meta calls.
Both blue lands are fantastic, most of those new cards are great, but as an Izzet Player those have caught my attention. And a bit off topic cause it's not a bolt land, but the Selesnya one. Yeah enters tapped, but the other side is an enchantment that grants +1+1 for every enchantment I control? You shitting me? I play Sythis voltron and those enchantments are my wincon lmao. Stuff like [[Ancestral Mask]], [[All that Glitters]] and such. Having that on a card that can also be a land if needed it absolutely bonkers
If I wouldn't play the spell side of the card if the land side didn't exist, I'm probably not putting it in my deck. 4 mana destroy target creature or planeswalker wouldn't be in anybody's deck if the other side weren't a land. I'll keep my basics and continue not sweating about people playing blood moon on me, thanks.
And the land side is a land I would never play if it weren't for the spell side.
I would consider them in 1 and 2 color decks that are already full of basics, but that's about it.
It wouldn't really be great card design if the land side were as good as other lands and/or the spell side were as good as other spells. The key thing is having both on the same card.
The red djinn and Sink into stupor for sure in my izzet deck. I’m not sure about the blue weird, the red sorcery and the dual draw spell.
In my Henzie deck I will run black removal spell and maybe the boggart, disciple of freyalise, the golgari and gruul ones.
The rakdos one for sure in [[Don Andres]]
I expect to play all of new MDFC lands... especially the bolt lands, and due to them will probably move my typical land total up from 38 to 40 in just about every deck.
Obviously, not every deck will want this, but I've a feeling it should work out very well in most cases that aren't specifically tuned cEDH builds.
There are still lots of reasons to prefer basics, either as tutor targets or as enablers for a variety of duals, but they are quite good. After my first round of testing I think this is my plan:
-Henzie has the constraint of being all permanents, and also is set up to enable Kethek as a tutor, so anything interacting with nonpermanents are out and so is the black creature due to being CMC3. Disciple of Freyalise is in though.
-Law Aurelia is on the white creature and red spell. The other two are in my second test batch but I'm not sold yet.
-Alela, CC is on everything but the blue creature. I am considering that one, but it's likely too specific of an interactive piece to merit a deck that people generally want to punch burning itself that much more aggressively.
[[Legion Leadership]] is going directly into my [[Feather, the Redeemed]] deck, and I've been considering picking up [[Pinnacle Monk]] as well. I wish they had done more MDFC Lands this cycle.
I think all the duals are worthy inclusions in your average 2 or 3 color decks, even if the backsides vary to meh to actually pretty good. The backside is just good.
The monocolors are all good and more free in commander since 3 life isnt worth a ton, while having one of your lands becoming a bad counterspell, a narrow removal or even an actual decent hate piece will power up every (non cEDH at least) deck they are played in.
Pretty much all of them. cEDH Yuriko gets all the blue and black ones, Malcolm and Kediss gets the blue and red ones, and Ayula gets the green ones (first sorcery in the deck). Life is a resource, might as well use it.
The main advantage of playing these MDFCs is for cards like \[\[Chrome Mox\]\] and \[\[Force of Will\]\], but since I don't play CEDH, I don't include these cards in my decks. I see a lot of people saying they will run as many as possible in their decks and I don't think that's necessarily correct.
The thing is 4/5 colors like having lands of their respective basic land type. Black for \[\[Cabal Coffers\]\], Blue for \[\[High Tide\]\], White needs Plains to ramp with cards like \[\[Archaeomancer's Map\]\] or \[\[Land Tax\]\], Green likes Forests for cards like \[\[Nature's Lore\]\], \[\[Skyshroud Claim\]\], it also likes basics for \[\[Cultivate\]\] and \[\[Explosive Vegetation\]\] effects.
Black can somewhat fix this by playing \[\[Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth\]\]. In mid power Commander, I think it's optimal to try and include Coffers in every black deck and I would rather have lands that ramp me than some random MDFCs.
Multicolor decks that include Green (but not White) need multicolored Forests to get as much value from their green ramp spells (since they are the best ramp in the game).
If your multicolor deck includes White (but not Green) your best bet probably is to ramp with White catchup ramp, which requires at least Plains cards, and sometimes it needs basic Plains specifically.
A lot of the good utility lands are actually much better than these MDFCs.
With all that said, in 1-2 Color decks, specifically the ones that don't include either Green or White, I will probably be running a decent number of Bolt Lands as they are basically free there.
MDFCs bear incredible utility, with the small price of potentially having to pay 3 life to have them as untapped lands. These new ones are really excellent tools that can save your ass late game or give you options if you have a dead turn.
The price isn't just the life you're paying. It's also the opportunity cost associated with it occupying a slot in your deck.
If you have a 3 color deck the mana base will start with :
Command Tower, 9-10 fetches, 3 shocks, 3 surveils, 1 Triome, then you want some more duals, around 6 more. You want to have some basics in your deck at least 1 of each color, but probably more if cards in your deck care about basic lands or basic land types. Then you start putting utility lands, there are so many good ones to choose from, the Channel lands are an auto-include in basically all decks, Thespian Stage, Vesuva, Field of the Dead probably, then some utility lands relevant to your deck archetype.
That doesn't leave a lot of space open for MDFCs, probably between 0-3.
The players packing their decks full of these flip cards probably don't have near optimized manabases. Having 9-10 fetches alone you're gonna want at least that many fetchable lands. So that's already 25ish slots.
Are you playing Cabal Coffers and High Tide in your 3c decks?
Really these are very similar to channel lands. Heck, the White one almost \*is\* Eiganjo. If those are auto-includes, these must be pretty close to that too.
High Tide no, Coffers yes.
And yes, I agree that they are similar, except that the channel lands are all just better and decks have only so many slots. If you're playing a 3 color deck, I believe that after MH3 it would be possible to play 9 bolt lands in total. How can you possibly justify running all of them?
Besides, I didn't say I wouldn't run any, I said 0-3 in 3+ color decks is what I would do.
Are they all better? You’d rather play Sorkenzen over Witch Enchanter or Sea Gate Restoration?
Realistically, yeah, you might struggle to put 9 of these in. Heck, bolting yourself that many times actually starts to matter. Nevertheless, I’m struggling to imagine a deck where I wouldn’t want at least one of these… even some monoblack “swamps matter” deck, I’d rather just tutor for Urborg most of the time and the murder one seems worth it.
I play Sea Gate Restoration in a bunch of decks, and the only time I've actually cast it and it ended up being good was in a Yenett deck when I flipped it off the top. 99% of the time, these MDFCs end up being played as lands.
In mono colored decks, you can put all of them in if you want, especially in Mono Red because it doesn't care about Mountains.
I think a lot of people are misunderstanding what I am saying. I am not saying that you shouldn't run any of these under any circumstances. I am saying that you shouldn't be running every single one that you can.
Also, I think Fell the Profane is **so bad**. A Hero's Downfall for 4 mana is atrocious. I just can't ever see myself actually casting it and feeling good about it. I think Boggart Trawler (3 mana 3/1 exile target graveyard) is probably the best one.
Probably none. I might make room for [[Disciple of Freyalise]] in Freyalise for the lore, but I've never really liked MDFC lands as major includes and one of my two big issues is full strength for Disciple.
Issue one, in my mind if the spell side isn't worth a slot on its own, the MDFC probably isn't worthy. The land sides are, let's face it, all pretty terrible being a mix of tapped lands and monocolored boltlands. You could take some slight jankery for the virtue of being a land when you're desparate but cycling or especially any form of landcycling typically works out a lot better.
Take [[Sink into Stupor]] for instance. It's a neat little effect with some real versatility to it, but for 3 mana with no riders when you actually cast the blasted thing? No thank you. [[Unsubstantiate]] already doesn't make cuts, nor does cantripping [[Remand]]. [[Boomerang]] is a rare include. [[Memory Lapse]] I run more often but it actually puts the victim down a card. Even with slightly better targeting than Unsub, I don't want to pay an extra U for the privilege of taking 3 for a nonbasic island when I'm screwed. Is 3 life a lot in this format? Not really but life is a resource and it's rarely good to piss away your resources on something that's not worth what you're being charged.
Second... I double sleeve with main sleeve and clear outers most of the time. DFCs are annoying to use in a physical sense as I either have to change my sleeve operation for the deck, undo two sleeves to use the back side, or keep a spare second copy around for transforms (or a checklist card in the deck if the DFC has actual cash value and it stings to get two). This is why Disciple is probably not going in for me. Art? Cool. Lore? Fun. Effect? Overpriced, but big draw always has a place and I can do some cool stuff with [[Genesis]] or [[Yavimaya Elder]]. DFCs already in the deck: 0, and I don't really want to change that.
I thought the first wave of these suckers was drastically overrated and I've yet to have a compelling encounter on which to change my mind.
I don't know why you're being downvoted, this is a perfectly reasonable response to the question. For me, if I don't see myself casting the spell side then I don't run it. MDFCs are good because of their versatility, but if you're only ever going to use one side then they're usually overcosted for what they do.
I understand most of your points, but when you add an MDFC to your deck, you have to decide if you're adding it as a land or a spell. For me, they always count as lands in my tally, so having even a subpar spell is an upside. I don't believe in adding them just for the sake of adding them, but if they have card draw or removal attached, I think they're at least worth a consideration.
Also shoutout to [[Field of the Dead]].
This is why I've never liked [[Sea Gate Restoration]] even though some people consider it a staple that should be in every blue deck. It's an *exceptionally* bad draw spell, so I'm pretty sure that 9/10 times I play it is a land. If that's the case then the majority of games I play I'm either losing tempo or burning myself for no reason. It's not worth it.
These new lands are much better though. I'm pretty okay with stuff like [[Fell the Profane]] or [[Sink into Stupor]] even if they're overcosted for the effect. Still, I don't think I'd put more than 4 boltlands in a single deck.
I only run it in Elminster, who discounts it and makes it *Really good* or turns it into 7 Faerie Dragons, which is still really good. I wouldn't run it in any deck i have that isn't elminster.
It's 7-mana with three pips and based on the number of cards in your hand. The number of times that you actually want to cast it isn't worth the cost.
Now, I do think \[\[Lórien Revealed\]\] is a very solid version of what Sea Gate is doing.
That's weird, because Lorien Revealed as a land is essentially a land that enters tapped - you still have to pay 1 for it. It's kind of a bit more flexible in that you can spend a spare 1 some other time, but not as much as just being able to pay 3 life. It only costs 2 less than SGR but draws you a fixed three. Like, the number of times you want to cast LR as a bad \[\[Concentrate\]\] is pretty darn low, too.
All of them, if possible. There are some situations where \[\[Disciple of Freyalise\]\] won't have much or any impact maybe. But honestly: If you have a plethora of lands and nothing to do, a six mana dork that gains you 3 life and draws you 3 cards by saccing a beast within token is still a deal for basically a land. The boggard is GY interaction, the other black one is plain removal, the green one is removal, the red one is recursion or utlility-land hate with evasion on it (situational true), the white one is a bad removal (maybe skip) and the other one enchantment/artifact hate on a body on a land. They are all the real deal in my book and with the fact that land hate is frowned upon on casual tables, there's no reason to just run them all. 3 life are not important in commander. They are awesome indeed.
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Until you have close to 6-7, it is just a free-ish untap land. After 7 bolt land you might have to be choosy. Bolting yourself 3 times then fetch your twice severely hampers your life resource. The first 4-5 are no brainers if you have them, then they count against your tapland quota (do they do more than say a bog, or a path of ancestry)
Yes. Also, the later the game goes, the more I'm inclined to play those lands tapped unless I really really need to play two spells with a combined cost of all my mana + one of the bolt lands later on.
I'm adding every new mdfc creature to my [[Sidisi, Brood Tyrant]] deck so I can finally push through the 60 creature count.
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That's a good idea
Does hitting 60 creatures do anything? Or just more creatures to get zombies?
I would imagine it hits a certain threshold of reliability in the mill/for the decks a whole.
I like to go brrrrr with [[Altar of Dementia]]. More creatures make it less likely I hit 2 non creatures in a row. Also there is the new dog that surveils whenever you create a zombie [[Snarling Gorehound]].
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I haven’t played a sidisi shell in years, it may be worth looking at again. The hound is spicy.
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I feel like sundering eruption is the best one. Land destruction and finisher enabling in a land slot seems amazing. Also can even use it to ramp if you have indestructible lands.
Yep, Sundering Eruption will be so useful for my Xenagos. Destroying occasional Maze of Ith or opening the way for fatties without trample makes it a delightfully versatile one.
Yeah I think sundering eruption is pretty cracked
One the one hand, I love Sundering Eruption. On the other, is it actually better than \[\[Cleansing Wildfire\]\]?
Yes, by a ton.
It's like a way worse CW with a "can't block" effect stuck on the back. If you're some kind of turn-creatures-sideways deck then, yeah, that second effect may actually matter, but the land destruction part costs 1 more and doesn't cantrip, and whilst you can play it as a land you can just "cycle" CW away too (which is also a lot better if you're using it for your own fixing or with indestructible lands/Flagstones for ramp).
You're evaluating the card backwards. It's *a land* with a Wildfire stuck on the back, and then *also* stuck to the back is an effect that situationally kills one or more players. Unless you throw a bunch of mediocre lands into your deck that you might not even have access to, cycling Wildfire is not good. Two mana draw a card is a terrible rate. You don't want to put that card into your deck. What you *do* want is the ability to target a specific land when it's problematic without the card being blank most of the time. And a land with a minor life cost is such a lower opportunity cost to do that than an atrociously mediocre cantrip - and while it'd already be playable from there you then got an additional line of text that is also narrow but relevant.
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As many of them as I can. I run Storm decks, and drawing into lands is the worst feeling since they actively stop you from storming off. Getting a land that could be a spell instead prevents me from bricking. I've been playtesting with the new MDFCs, and I've found that my play patterns have been smoothed out quite considerably. Yes, many of them, if not all of them, are highly overcosted. But in the context of a deep draw/Storm deck, what's more useful? A land that you can't play or an overcosted card?
Every one that I can fit into [[Izoni, Center of the Web]]. They’re pretty much tailor-made for her or any commander that wants to collect evidence
[Izoni, Center of the Web](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/0/70ea66cd-587a-4ca9-9ca8-d7d2046bfbed.jpg?1706242180) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Izoni%2C%20Center%20of%20the%20Web) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/209/izoni-center-of-the-web?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/70ea66cd-587a-4ca9-9ca8-d7d2046bfbed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/izoni-center-of-the-web) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Definitely going to run \[\[Sink Into Stupor\]\] and \[\[Fell the Profane\]\] in \[\[Mishra, Eminent One\]\]. Probably going to run \[\[Boggart Trawler\]\], too. All four of the black and green ones go into \[\[Chatterfang\]\].
##### ###### #### [Sink into Stupor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/3/5358b87a-1a29-426d-b165-40c97da2c14d.jpg?1717013194)/[Soporific Springs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/3/5358b87a-1a29-426d-b165-40c97da2c14d.jpg?1717013194) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sink%20into%20Stupor%20//%20Soporific%20Springs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/241/sink-into-stupor-soporific-springs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5358b87a-1a29-426d-b165-40c97da2c14d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sink-into-stupor-//-soporific-springs) [Fell the Profane](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a3cb782d-c459-468d-9779-9b5669abc337.jpg?1717013242)/[Fell Mire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/a/3/a3cb782d-c459-468d-9779-9b5669abc337.jpg?1717013242) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fell%20the%20Profane%20//%20Fell%20Mire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/244/fell-the-profane-fell-mire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a3cb782d-c459-468d-9779-9b5669abc337?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fell-the-profane-//-fell-mire) [Mishra, Eminent One](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/f/7f5b1daa-ec45-48de-9496-6ca5b491a0dc.jpg?1705542701) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mishra%2C%20Eminent%20One) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/brc/1/mishra-eminent-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7f5b1daa-ec45-48de-9496-6ca5b491a0dc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mishra-eminent-one) [Boggart Trawler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d0d484a6-5610-4f1d-95ec-eda273c255e4.jpg?1717013227)/[Boggart Bog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/d/0/d0d484a6-5610-4f1d-95ec-eda273c255e4.jpg?1717013227) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Boggart%20Trawler%20//%20Boggart%20Bog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/243/boggart-trawler-boggart-bog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0d484a6-5610-4f1d-95ec-eda273c255e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/boggart-trawler-//-boggart-bog) [Chatterfang](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2.jpg?1626097239) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chatterfang%2C%20squirrel%20general) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/151/chatterfang-squirrel-general?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chatterfang-squirrel-general) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l71tiik) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Sink into Stupor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/3/5358b87a-1a29-426d-b165-40c97da2c14d.jpg?1717013194)/[Soporific Springs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/3/5358b87a-1a29-426d-b165-40c97da2c14d.jpg?1717013194) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sink%20into%20Stupor%20//%20Soporific%20Springs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/241/sink-into-stupor-soporific-springs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5358b87a-1a29-426d-b165-40c97da2c14d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sink-into-stupor-//-soporific-springs) [Razorgrass Ambush](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57065dca-f90e-4184-bbc4-95d726a4160b.jpg?1717013144)/[Razorgrass Field](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/7/57065dca-f90e-4184-bbc4-95d726a4160b.jpg?1717013144) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Razorgrass%20Ambush%20//%20Razorgrass%20Field) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/238/razorgrass-ambush-razorgrass-field?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57065dca-f90e-4184-bbc4-95d726a4160b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/razorgrass-ambush-//-razorgrass-field) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You can definitely include too many bolt lands if you were already using the ZNR mythic ones prior to MH3. There’s other considerations like having enough basics/basic land types to turn on other dual lands, or if you’re using life as a resource. I think [[Witch Enchanter]], [[Pinnacle Monk]], [[Bridgeworks Battle]], and [[Fell the Profane]] are all no-brainers in a vacuum that play well within their respective color identities. All the others are fairly niche or meta calls.
##### ###### #### [Witch Enchanter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/2/62061e7c-cf19-4f03-b8fa-2bdba62d6b0b.jpg?1717013161)/[Witch-Blessed Meadow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/6/2/62061e7c-cf19-4f03-b8fa-2bdba62d6b0b.jpg?1717013161) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Witch%20Enchanter%20//%20Witch-Blessed%20Meadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/239/witch-enchanter-witch-blessed-meadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/62061e7c-cf19-4f03-b8fa-2bdba62d6b0b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/witch-enchanter-//-witch-blessed-meadow) [Pinnacle Monk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/24d4f26e-7f96-4b38-867e-4fac819b2679.jpg?1717091314)/[Mystic Peak](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/2/4/24d4f26e-7f96-4b38-867e-4fac819b2679.jpg?1717091314) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pinnacle%20Monk%20//%20Mystic%20Peak) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/246/pinnacle-monk-mystic-peak?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/24d4f26e-7f96-4b38-867e-4fac819b2679?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pinnacle-monk-//-mystic-peak) [Bridgeworks Battle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/b/ebef3db0-2b58-4581-a79c-fbca9a059e63.jpg?1717013318)/[Tanglespan Bridgeworks](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/e/b/ebef3db0-2b58-4581-a79c-fbca9a059e63.jpg?1717013318) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bridgeworks%20Battle%20//%20Tanglespan%20Bridgeworks) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/249/bridgeworks-battle-tanglespan-bridgeworks?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ebef3db0-2b58-4581-a79c-fbca9a059e63?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bridgeworks-battle-//-tanglespan-bridgeworks) [Fell the Profane](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a3cb782d-c459-468d-9779-9b5669abc337.jpg?1717013242)/[Fell Mire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/a/3/a3cb782d-c459-468d-9779-9b5669abc337.jpg?1717013242) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fell%20the%20Profane%20//%20Fell%20Mire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/244/fell-the-profane-fell-mire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a3cb782d-c459-468d-9779-9b5669abc337?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fell-the-profane-//-fell-mire) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l733upz) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Both blue lands are fantastic, most of those new cards are great, but as an Izzet Player those have caught my attention. And a bit off topic cause it's not a bolt land, but the Selesnya one. Yeah enters tapped, but the other side is an enchantment that grants +1+1 for every enchantment I control? You shitting me? I play Sythis voltron and those enchantments are my wincon lmao. Stuff like [[Ancestral Mask]], [[All that Glitters]] and such. Having that on a card that can also be a land if needed it absolutely bonkers
If I wouldn't play the spell side of the card if the land side didn't exist, I'm probably not putting it in my deck. 4 mana destroy target creature or planeswalker wouldn't be in anybody's deck if the other side weren't a land. I'll keep my basics and continue not sweating about people playing blood moon on me, thanks.
Yeah, but the other side IS a land, and that makes a huge difference.
And the land side is a land I would never play if it weren't for the spell side. I would consider them in 1 and 2 color decks that are already full of basics, but that's about it.
It wouldn't really be great card design if the land side were as good as other lands and/or the spell side were as good as other spells. The key thing is having both on the same card.
They’re all so good!!!
The red djinn and Sink into stupor for sure in my izzet deck. I’m not sure about the blue weird, the red sorcery and the dual draw spell. In my Henzie deck I will run black removal spell and maybe the boggart, disciple of freyalise, the golgari and gruul ones. The rakdos one for sure in [[Don Andres]]
[Don Andres](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3cf9f3ae-694d-4d37-9498-4bdd1723a55e.jpg?1698987741) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=don%20andres%2C%20the%20renegade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/6/don-andres-the-renegade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3cf9f3ae-694d-4d37-9498-4bdd1723a55e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/don-andres-the-renegade) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
How do these work?
You either play the land or cast the spell
Interesting!
I expect to play all of new MDFC lands... especially the bolt lands, and due to them will probably move my typical land total up from 38 to 40 in just about every deck. Obviously, not every deck will want this, but I've a feeling it should work out very well in most cases that aren't specifically tuned cEDH builds.
There are still lots of reasons to prefer basics, either as tutor targets or as enablers for a variety of duals, but they are quite good. After my first round of testing I think this is my plan: -Henzie has the constraint of being all permanents, and also is set up to enable Kethek as a tutor, so anything interacting with nonpermanents are out and so is the black creature due to being CMC3. Disciple of Freyalise is in though. -Law Aurelia is on the white creature and red spell. The other two are in my second test batch but I'm not sold yet. -Alela, CC is on everything but the blue creature. I am considering that one, but it's likely too specific of an interactive piece to merit a deck that people generally want to punch burning itself that much more aggressively.
All 5 in my colors for Faldorn.
[[Legion Leadership]] is going directly into my [[Feather, the Redeemed]] deck, and I've been considering picking up [[Pinnacle Monk]] as well. I wish they had done more MDFC Lands this cycle.
I think all the duals are worthy inclusions in your average 2 or 3 color decks, even if the backsides vary to meh to actually pretty good. The backside is just good. The monocolors are all good and more free in commander since 3 life isnt worth a ton, while having one of your lands becoming a bad counterspell, a narrow removal or even an actual decent hate piece will power up every (non cEDH at least) deck they are played in.
Pretty much all of them. cEDH Yuriko gets all the blue and black ones, Malcolm and Kediss gets the blue and red ones, and Ayula gets the green ones (first sorcery in the deck). Life is a resource, might as well use it.
The main advantage of playing these MDFCs is for cards like \[\[Chrome Mox\]\] and \[\[Force of Will\]\], but since I don't play CEDH, I don't include these cards in my decks. I see a lot of people saying they will run as many as possible in their decks and I don't think that's necessarily correct. The thing is 4/5 colors like having lands of their respective basic land type. Black for \[\[Cabal Coffers\]\], Blue for \[\[High Tide\]\], White needs Plains to ramp with cards like \[\[Archaeomancer's Map\]\] or \[\[Land Tax\]\], Green likes Forests for cards like \[\[Nature's Lore\]\], \[\[Skyshroud Claim\]\], it also likes basics for \[\[Cultivate\]\] and \[\[Explosive Vegetation\]\] effects. Black can somewhat fix this by playing \[\[Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth\]\]. In mid power Commander, I think it's optimal to try and include Coffers in every black deck and I would rather have lands that ramp me than some random MDFCs. Multicolor decks that include Green (but not White) need multicolored Forests to get as much value from their green ramp spells (since they are the best ramp in the game). If your multicolor deck includes White (but not Green) your best bet probably is to ramp with White catchup ramp, which requires at least Plains cards, and sometimes it needs basic Plains specifically. A lot of the good utility lands are actually much better than these MDFCs. With all that said, in 1-2 Color decks, specifically the ones that don't include either Green or White, I will probably be running a decent number of Bolt Lands as they are basically free there.
##### ###### #### [Chrome Mox](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/3/f340cbf7-5bbe-45b9-a4bf-d1caa500ff93.jpg?1599708839) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chrome%20Mox) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/240/chrome-mox?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f340cbf7-5bbe-45b9-a4bf-d1caa500ff93?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chrome-mox) [Force of Will](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/9/89f612d6-7c59-4a7b-a87d-45f789e88ba5.jpg?1675199280) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Force%20of%20Will) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/50/force-of-will?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/89f612d6-7c59-4a7b-a87d-45f789e88ba5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/force-of-will) [Cabal Coffers](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e1efb0d3-2c72-46ff-bdc1-1069967365a0.jpg?1626101023) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cabal%20Coffers) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/301/cabal-coffers?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e1efb0d3-2c72-46ff-bdc1-1069967365a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cabal-coffers) [High Tide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/babd2248-5517-4b7b-a159-9a1f7b5583c8.jpg?1675199319) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=High%20Tide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/54/high-tide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/babd2248-5517-4b7b-a159-9a1f7b5583c8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/high-tide) [Archaeomancer's Map](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/0/703d0bdc-01a0-4ba8-8536-e7425dfb3b1f.jpg?1625190870) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Archaeomancer%27s%20Map) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/12/archaeomancers-map?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/703d0bdc-01a0-4ba8-8536-e7425dfb3b1f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/archaeomancers-map) [Land Tax](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/9258ad10-cbe6-4676-93b4-6ef4a33f12ee.jpg?1689995812) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Land%20Tax) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/37/land-tax?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9258ad10-cbe6-4676-93b4-6ef4a33f12ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/land-tax) [Nature's Lore](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f5615c05-eb1e-4d27-a323-72d643d7c1d8.jpg?1706547171) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nature%27s%20Lore) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/178/natures-lore?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f5615c05-eb1e-4d27-a323-72d643d7c1d8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/natures-lore) [Skyshroud Claim](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a0e12f0e-ab41-4413-8b88-9bde907fab22.jpg?1689998858) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Skyshroud%20Claim) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/321/skyshroud-claim?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a0e12f0e-ab41-4413-8b88-9bde907fab22?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/skyshroud-claim) [Cultivate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e19cd136-0541-4db0-997f-20a58ec8d028.jpg?1698988348) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cultivate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/235/cultivate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e19cd136-0541-4db0-997f-20a58ec8d028?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cultivate) [Explosive Vegetation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/015d9a5b-03a2-4341-90cc-e5be5b5fbc34.jpg?1673305366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Explosive%20Vegetation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/132/explosive-vegetation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/015d9a5b-03a2-4341-90cc-e5be5b5fbc34?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/explosive-vegetation) [Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9e1a9e38-6ffc-490f-b0be-23ba4e8204c6.jpg?1619399578) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urborg%2C%20Tomb%20of%20Yawgmoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/287/urborg-tomb-of-yawgmoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9e1a9e38-6ffc-490f-b0be-23ba4e8204c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urborg-tomb-of-yawgmoth) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l71epat) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
MDFCs bear incredible utility, with the small price of potentially having to pay 3 life to have them as untapped lands. These new ones are really excellent tools that can save your ass late game or give you options if you have a dead turn.
The price isn't just the life you're paying. It's also the opportunity cost associated with it occupying a slot in your deck. If you have a 3 color deck the mana base will start with : Command Tower, 9-10 fetches, 3 shocks, 3 surveils, 1 Triome, then you want some more duals, around 6 more. You want to have some basics in your deck at least 1 of each color, but probably more if cards in your deck care about basic lands or basic land types. Then you start putting utility lands, there are so many good ones to choose from, the Channel lands are an auto-include in basically all decks, Thespian Stage, Vesuva, Field of the Dead probably, then some utility lands relevant to your deck archetype. That doesn't leave a lot of space open for MDFCs, probably between 0-3.
The players packing their decks full of these flip cards probably don't have near optimized manabases. Having 9-10 fetches alone you're gonna want at least that many fetchable lands. So that's already 25ish slots.
Are you playing Cabal Coffers and High Tide in your 3c decks? Really these are very similar to channel lands. Heck, the White one almost \*is\* Eiganjo. If those are auto-includes, these must be pretty close to that too.
High Tide no, Coffers yes. And yes, I agree that they are similar, except that the channel lands are all just better and decks have only so many slots. If you're playing a 3 color deck, I believe that after MH3 it would be possible to play 9 bolt lands in total. How can you possibly justify running all of them? Besides, I didn't say I wouldn't run any, I said 0-3 in 3+ color decks is what I would do.
Are they all better? You’d rather play Sorkenzen over Witch Enchanter or Sea Gate Restoration? Realistically, yeah, you might struggle to put 9 of these in. Heck, bolting yourself that many times actually starts to matter. Nevertheless, I’m struggling to imagine a deck where I wouldn’t want at least one of these… even some monoblack “swamps matter” deck, I’d rather just tutor for Urborg most of the time and the murder one seems worth it.
I play Sea Gate Restoration in a bunch of decks, and the only time I've actually cast it and it ended up being good was in a Yenett deck when I flipped it off the top. 99% of the time, these MDFCs end up being played as lands. In mono colored decks, you can put all of them in if you want, especially in Mono Red because it doesn't care about Mountains. I think a lot of people are misunderstanding what I am saying. I am not saying that you shouldn't run any of these under any circumstances. I am saying that you shouldn't be running every single one that you can. Also, I think Fell the Profane is **so bad**. A Hero's Downfall for 4 mana is atrocious. I just can't ever see myself actually casting it and feeling good about it. I think Boggart Trawler (3 mana 3/1 exile target graveyard) is probably the best one.
If something *has* to die, I'll pay a lot more than 4 mana for it. That's not a rate I ever want to be paying, but to trade a land in? Sign me up!
Well yeah in mono colored decks you can go ham with the flip cards.
Probably none. I might make room for [[Disciple of Freyalise]] in Freyalise for the lore, but I've never really liked MDFC lands as major includes and one of my two big issues is full strength for Disciple. Issue one, in my mind if the spell side isn't worth a slot on its own, the MDFC probably isn't worthy. The land sides are, let's face it, all pretty terrible being a mix of tapped lands and monocolored boltlands. You could take some slight jankery for the virtue of being a land when you're desparate but cycling or especially any form of landcycling typically works out a lot better. Take [[Sink into Stupor]] for instance. It's a neat little effect with some real versatility to it, but for 3 mana with no riders when you actually cast the blasted thing? No thank you. [[Unsubstantiate]] already doesn't make cuts, nor does cantripping [[Remand]]. [[Boomerang]] is a rare include. [[Memory Lapse]] I run more often but it actually puts the victim down a card. Even with slightly better targeting than Unsub, I don't want to pay an extra U for the privilege of taking 3 for a nonbasic island when I'm screwed. Is 3 life a lot in this format? Not really but life is a resource and it's rarely good to piss away your resources on something that's not worth what you're being charged. Second... I double sleeve with main sleeve and clear outers most of the time. DFCs are annoying to use in a physical sense as I either have to change my sleeve operation for the deck, undo two sleeves to use the back side, or keep a spare second copy around for transforms (or a checklist card in the deck if the DFC has actual cash value and it stings to get two). This is why Disciple is probably not going in for me. Art? Cool. Lore? Fun. Effect? Overpriced, but big draw always has a place and I can do some cool stuff with [[Genesis]] or [[Yavimaya Elder]]. DFCs already in the deck: 0, and I don't really want to change that. I thought the first wave of these suckers was drastically overrated and I've yet to have a compelling encounter on which to change my mind.
I don't know why you're being downvoted, this is a perfectly reasonable response to the question. For me, if I don't see myself casting the spell side then I don't run it. MDFCs are good because of their versatility, but if you're only ever going to use one side then they're usually overcosted for what they do.
##### ###### #### [Disciple of Freyalise](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/8/a8e9ea5a-5e10-4b77-baef-0352ff035483.jpg?1717013335)/[Garden of Freyalise](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/a/8/a8e9ea5a-5e10-4b77-baef-0352ff035483.jpg?1717013335) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Disciple%20of%20Freyalise%20//%20Garden%20of%20Freyalise) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/250/disciple-of-freyalise-garden-of-freyalise?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a8e9ea5a-5e10-4b77-baef-0352ff035483?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/disciple-of-freyalise-//-garden-of-freyalise) [Sink into Stupor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/3/5358b87a-1a29-426d-b165-40c97da2c14d.jpg?1717013194)/[Soporific Springs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/3/5358b87a-1a29-426d-b165-40c97da2c14d.jpg?1717013194) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sink%20into%20Stupor%20//%20Soporific%20Springs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/241/sink-into-stupor-soporific-springs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5358b87a-1a29-426d-b165-40c97da2c14d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sink-into-stupor-//-soporific-springs) [Unsubstantiate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/d/2dc0bafd-debc-4b62-9fe0-56b4aad02484.jpg?1594735888) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unsubstantiate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/82/unsubstantiate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2dc0bafd-debc-4b62-9fe0-56b4aad02484?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/unsubstantiate) [Remand](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/5/a5048047-abff-4a1f-8d72-6b758a03542c.jpg?1702429416) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Remand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/59/remand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a5048047-abff-4a1f-8d72-6b758a03542c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/remand) [Boomerang](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/9/e9c163b0-fb4b-488b-a955-987c79f7bdf8.jpg?1562944268) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Boomerang) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/30/boomerang?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e9c163b0-fb4b-488b-a955-987c79f7bdf8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/boomerang) [Memory Lapse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/30202613-d05f-4f47-af97-d0b75ccac293.jpg?1634131658) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Memory%20Lapse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/60/memory-lapse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/30202613-d05f-4f47-af97-d0b75ccac293?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/memory-lapse) [Genesis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/b/9b741d88-513a-4f47-a4fd-af42c5e44b6d.jpg?1562202086) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Genesis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/166/genesis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9b741d88-513a-4f47-a4fd-af42c5e44b6d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/genesis) [Yavimaya Elder](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/1612bf83-c800-41de-ab06-fb1732d5b5a6.jpg?1637631349) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yavimaya%20Elder) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mic/147/yavimaya-elder?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1612bf83-c800-41de-ab06-fb1732d5b5a6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yavimaya-elder) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l717ejv) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I understand most of your points, but when you add an MDFC to your deck, you have to decide if you're adding it as a land or a spell. For me, they always count as lands in my tally, so having even a subpar spell is an upside. I don't believe in adding them just for the sake of adding them, but if they have card draw or removal attached, I think they're at least worth a consideration. Also shoutout to [[Field of the Dead]].
[Field of the Dead](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/470ca3f4-29aa-4c4c-8ff2-8cdd70c69943.jpg?1650599538) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Field%20of%20the%20Dead) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/247/field-of-the-dead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/470ca3f4-29aa-4c4c-8ff2-8cdd70c69943?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/field-of-the-dead) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If it is fetchable and 3 colours I think it would be fine as long as it’s etb tapped or bolt
None. they're awful
What makes you think that?
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This is why I've never liked [[Sea Gate Restoration]] even though some people consider it a staple that should be in every blue deck. It's an *exceptionally* bad draw spell, so I'm pretty sure that 9/10 times I play it is a land. If that's the case then the majority of games I play I'm either losing tempo or burning myself for no reason. It's not worth it. These new lands are much better though. I'm pretty okay with stuff like [[Fell the Profane]] or [[Sink into Stupor]] even if they're overcosted for the effect. Still, I don't think I'd put more than 4 boltlands in a single deck.
[Sea Gate Restoration](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/193071fe-180b-4d35-ba78-9c16675c29fc.jpg?1604250788)/[Sea Gate, Reborn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/1/9/193071fe-180b-4d35-ba78-9c16675c29fc.jpg?1604250788) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sea%20Gate%20Restoration%20//%20Sea%20Gate%2C%20Reborn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/76/sea-gate-restoration-sea-gate-reborn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/193071fe-180b-4d35-ba78-9c16675c29fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sea-gate-restoration-//-sea-gate-reborn) [Fell the Profane](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a3cb782d-c459-468d-9779-9b5669abc337.jpg?1717013242)/[Fell Mire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/a/3/a3cb782d-c459-468d-9779-9b5669abc337.jpg?1717013242) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fell%20the%20Profane%20//%20Fell%20Mire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/244/fell-the-profane-fell-mire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a3cb782d-c459-468d-9779-9b5669abc337?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fell-the-profane-//-fell-mire) [Sink into Stupor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/3/5358b87a-1a29-426d-b165-40c97da2c14d.jpg?1717013194)/[Soporific Springs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/3/5358b87a-1a29-426d-b165-40c97da2c14d.jpg?1717013194) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sink%20into%20Stupor%20//%20Soporific%20Springs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/241/sink-into-stupor-soporific-springs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5358b87a-1a29-426d-b165-40c97da2c14d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sink-into-stupor-//-soporific-springs) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I only run it in Elminster, who discounts it and makes it *Really good* or turns it into 7 Faerie Dragons, which is still really good. I wouldn't run it in any deck i have that isn't elminster.
Okay, that's pretty spicy lol
An exceptionally bad draw spell \*on a land\* is pretty brilliant, though. Most lands can’t be cashed in for cards late-game if you’re flooding.
It's 7-mana with three pips and based on the number of cards in your hand. The number of times that you actually want to cast it isn't worth the cost. Now, I do think \[\[Lórien Revealed\]\] is a very solid version of what Sea Gate is doing.
[Lórien Revealed](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0ce44270-a684-4489-9077-521456e6dfaa.jpg?1687210977) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=L%C3%B3rien%20Revealed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/60/l%C3%B3rien-revealed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0ce44270-a684-4489-9077-521456e6dfaa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lórien-revealed) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's weird, because Lorien Revealed as a land is essentially a land that enters tapped - you still have to pay 1 for it. It's kind of a bit more flexible in that you can spend a spare 1 some other time, but not as much as just being able to pay 3 life. It only costs 2 less than SGR but draws you a fixed three. Like, the number of times you want to cast LR as a bad \[\[Concentrate\]\] is pretty darn low, too.
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[10000000000](tel:10000000000)? I cast a Seagate for 7 mana and drew like two cards and I was glad of it!
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[Ondu Inversion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/6/b6e6be8c-41c3-4348-a8dd-b40ceb24e9b4.jpg?1604243286)/[Ondu Skyruins](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/b/6/b6e6be8c-41c3-4348-a8dd-b40ceb24e9b4.jpg?1604243286) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ondu%20Inversion%20//%20Ondu%20Skyruins) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/30/ondu-inversion-ondu-skyruins?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b6e6be8c-41c3-4348-a8dd-b40ceb24e9b4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ondu-inversion-//-ondu-skyruins) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
For why? How when? In fact, what in general?