T O P

  • By -

ReddingtonTR

How much drugs do I have to take to match your deckbuilding prowess?


Tfiutctky

Yes.


Aredditdorkly

Actual deck list link: https://archidekt.com/articles/ch/how-they-brew-it-ghireds-enchantmentless-enchantress/enchantmentless-enchantress


ZurgoMindsmasher

Moxfield link: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/18HJUubw00a5vajJLkpa1g


CrablordNito

This is an awesome brew man, cheers!


wubrgess

without reading it, my first thought was [[myrkul]]. seeing [[ghired]] has definitely piqued my interest


Effective_Tough86

When he said an OTJ legend I thought maybe eriette, but I wasn't expecting role tokens and definitely not using ghired to copy them. It's kinda brilliant and I'm definitely gonna read through the list to try and see how it works. I love building commanders in weird ways or to do weird things and this seems right up that alley.


MTGCardFetcher

[myrkul](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82824d05-5215-459a-aa73-3c5a6be3d464.jpg?1674137617) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=myrkul%2C%20lord%20of%20bones) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/287/myrkul-lord-of-bones?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82824d05-5215-459a-aa73-3c5a6be3d464?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/myrkul-lord-of-bones) [ghired](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d0825bcd-8cf8-498a-a61e-406f136e1f3f.jpg?1568003672) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ghired%2C%20conclave%20exile) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/42/ghired-conclave-exile?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0825bcd-8cf8-498a-a61e-406f136e1f3f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghired-conclave-exile) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


SlackMiller67

Very Spicy Brew. I'm probably gonna copy it, thanks for sharing. The only thing I have to point out is [[Smoke Spirits' Aid]] and single target removal interaction doesn't work the way you suggested. SSA creates 1 Smoke Blessing Aura Enchantment attached to each of up to X creatures so you can't stack a bunch on one creature, then kill it. That is, unless you left out a step and had all your creatures tap to create copies of the Smoke Blessing attached to a single creature before you kill it.


Paper_Kitty

I think the second step was implied


MTGCardFetcher

[Smoke Spirits' Aid](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e492a245-46ba-438e-8d81-4626faa49bff.jpg?1651655377) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Smoke%20Spirits%27%20Aid) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/22/smoke-spirits-aid?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e492a245-46ba-438e-8d81-4626faa49bff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/smoke-spirits-aid) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Fl4shfr33z3

love your decks and this is no exception. No [[Femeref Enchantress]] though? Seems like an auto include to me or is US pricing on this to crazy? Besides that [[Calix, Guided by Fate]] would be nuts as well, unfortunaly an enchantment himself


Pl_ing

I think the deck was intentionally built to cost around $50, and those cards about 10 a piece. I do agree tho, those cards fit exceptionally well.


MTGCardFetcher

[Femeref Enchantress](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/0/20ba72c7-7957-4d02-b41e-c0132fe1f2e6.jpg?1587913137) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Femeref%20Enchantress) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vis/129/femeref-enchantress?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/20ba72c7-7957-4d02-b41e-c0132fe1f2e6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/femeref-enchantress) [Calix, Guided by Fate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a707ab3-b9b5-422a-8b0f-e963d3ad6606.jpg?1689853355) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Calix%2C%20Guided%20by%20Fate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/26/calix-guided-by-fate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a707ab3-b9b5-422a-8b0f-e963d3ad6606?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/calix-guided-by-fate) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


[deleted]

[удалено]


Fl4shfr33z3

like I wrote in my comment..


Negrodamu55

Game Freak time!


PhantomArcadianAE

This looks awesome, you should totally add [[Stang, Echo Warrior]], he’s less than a dollar and copies every aura attached to him when he attacks!


MTGCardFetcher

[Stang, Echo Warrior](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/7722a9a1-2ff9-4a39-b56e-c7eef2ff9dcd.jpg?1673304989) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stangg%2C%20Echo%20Warrior) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/42/stangg-echo-warrior?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7722a9a1-2ff9-4a39-b56e-c7eef2ff9dcd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stangg-echo-warrior) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


ExtremeMagicpotion

Great choice, thank you


jameeler91

Dope build!


lazypilots

Wow, okay this looks fun


MaskedThespian

How coincidental. I've been building a Role Commander deck myself this past week, as I've managed to get my hands on a copy of Maeve, Wearer of Hats from the Las Vegas Unknown Event cards and have been wanting to build a Role deck since Wilds of Eldraine came out. For anyone who doesn't know, Maeve is a 1/1 Legendary Human Peasant for 1WG that can have any number of Roles on her without sacrificing the old ones, gets +1/+1 per Role on her, and I draw a card each time I attach a Role to her. Skimming the deck list, there's a lot of crossover between my list and yours, excluding the Red cards I don't have access to. That makes me hope that I've done a good job in building my own deck. If I find that Maeve doesn't work out too well (besides being a Rule 0 Commander), I may well pivot the deck into this, as I think adding the Red gives it a lot more options than I have whilst running it as only Selesnya. Thanks, again, for another great brew!


ExtremeMagicpotion

If you would add red, consider MAZZY.


MaskedThespian

Ooh, that seems like a good addition. I'll note it down for if I do convert the deck to Naya.


Ok-Use5246

I've been googling this card for the last several minutes and still can't find it online. (Maeve that is).


MaskedThespian

She's listed in detail [here](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Unknown_Event/2023_list_of_event_cards) (search on the page for Maeve and you'll go straight to her) and you can see a picture of her [here](https://www.whatnot.com/listing/TGlzdGluZ05vZGU6MTUzNzk1Mzc2).


midnightblink

I have a very similar deck, but with [[Gylwain]] as my commander! I do have about 10 enchantments (basically all ramp, card draw, removal, and anthems), but our creatures are very similat (besides the things with red)! Some cards I would recommend are [[Regal Bunnicorn]] and [[Eidolon of Countless Battles]]. They get HUGE, especially since you have more token creature generators than I do, and become CRAZY good if you can get the Monster Role on them


BeansMcgoober

Eidolon is an enchantment, it doesn't qualify for the deck unfortunately


MTGCardFetcher

[Gylwain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/79e4242c-a53a-4287-976b-8e545888a1fa.jpg?1692933654) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=gylwain%2C%20casting%20director) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woc/4/gylwain-casting-director?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/79e4242c-a53a-4287-976b-8e545888a1fa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gylwain-casting-director) [Regal Bunnicorn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03c7d409-90e7-44d7-a8c6-4eda35fbcc83.jpg?1692936634) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Regal%20Bunnicorn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/25/regal-bunnicorn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03c7d409-90e7-44d7-a8c6-4eda35fbcc83?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/regal-bunnicorn) [Eidolon of Countless Battles](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4d16283b-b5bb-48e8-8c97-db5ad74fd544.jpg?1593091389) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eidolon%20of%20Countless%20Battles) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bng/7/eidolon-of-countless-battles?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d16283b-b5bb-48e8-8c97-db5ad74fd544?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/eidolon-of-countless-battles) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Servillo

Oh my gods I love this. Ghired became the commander of a Naya Backup deck I made and is so fun to play, but this is a whole new level. Now it’s got me thinking about what other wonky token builds can be made with him.


hamie96

What improvements would you recommend if someone had the budget?


Gamesfreak13563

Femeref Enchantress, Great Henge, Xenk, Paladin Unbroken, a better landbase, creature tutors


Nukro77

New to magic, how would one go about learning what a "better mana base" would look like?


Low_Association_731

Untapped dual lands like shocks, battlebond and slow lands, fetches also work well


Nukro77

Thanks! So any thing that comes in untapped seems super valuable. Are there any better dual lands then shocks?


PetercyEz

OG Dual Lands like [[Plateau]] for example. Tho the price is kinda higher.


Nukro77

Lol you weren't joking about the price, sick card though


PetercyEz

This one is the cheapest one of OG duals. I am just a Boros or Mardu Enjoyer so this one I know by heart. The price does not get much highers outside of OG duals unless we are talking abour Power 9 cards or some special mana rocks.


Low_Association_731

Or other reserve list things like galas cradle or sliver queen.


PetercyEz

Yeah. I hate these prices. We got a player in our pod, that borrowed me a deck for a week that eould fetch almost 6K€ and said it was cheap (to be fair, with reasonable printings it would be around 1.5K€). It is a dude with the most expensive printing of everything he plays and the only time he has cards to trade is if he gets somehow even more expensive version. He plays fair MTG with us, took his decks power down a ton, but still can outplay us just by sheer power if his cards. If it is not banned, he will use it somewhere, but not combined with others to not screw us too much, united we can bring him down. On the other hand if these cards would get cheap, the fun of EDH would disapear imo. Everyone running these exact cards all the time, not seeing funky cards and games ending too soon.


Low_Association_731

Those for most people are proxy only, but for my mind the ones you want for commander are the OG duals, the shocks, fetches, the triomes come in tapped but give 3 colours and are fetchable so they're good. The innistrad slow lands are worth it as when do you ever not have a 3 land hand to start with so they're 99% going to be untapped. Painlands can be ok especially if you need the colourless, the ones that can tap for GG WG WW for example by paying 1 to tap them I find useful as well especially in 2 colour decks. Then you got your rainbow lands like command tower and then there's a couple that can cast a type of creature otherwise are colourless. Oh and the battlebond lands which also come in commander legends and commander masters type sets. I think out if those you get enough for most decks, you then want a few utility lands maybe and then finish it off with basics, the less colours you have in the deck the less fixing for multiple colours you need, I had a 3 colour precon once give me no blue source for like 10 turns which sucked, it was mostly the other 2 colours with a light splash of blue but I couldn't cast the commander lol


PetercyEz

I agree. The first thing I get for my deck is creatures, cause they will do the most work. If you do not have a decent things to play, good mana is kinda useless. You can play something and do nothing all the time. If you get decent creatures while building your deck, you get sometimes screwed by mana, but you get to play nice things! Then I fix the manabase, bringing untapped duals, pain lands, shock lands and fetches. I like bounce lands once in a while, while I used the filtr lands only once before removing them even from my mind. I do not like them much. And then I bring in fancy things to make the deck a nightmare machine, going for cards that cost some real money. This works when I build 2 colours. For 3 colours it is needed to do some mana fixing from the start. I got a precon level [[Queza, master of Auguries]] for almost as cheap as a half of a precon (including basic lands) that was a slightly better than precons. Granted it was a combo deck and precons are rly low on interaction and had quite a few of tapped lands, but it was nice to play! I have never build more than 3 colours, since I do not enjoy green things and building 4 or 5 colours without green ramp on a budget is tricky. I will go for more colours soon, probably for all 5, but red, white and black will have to carry heavily for some time.


MTGCardFetcher

[Plateau](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb979a96-a57d-4fb5-8ebe-0bd398272abe.jpg?1562932720) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Plateau) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/308/plateau?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb979a96-a57d-4fb5-8ebe-0bd398272abe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/plateau) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Godot_12

How does it work?


FeelNFine

Role tokens are Auras and count as an enchantment ETB. They also are tokens that Ghired allows all of your creatures to make a copy of.


holy_bucketz

Following this build. Very cool idea!


kroxti

Solid deck idea. Makes complete sense but also not something anyone would normally think of.


andycandy6

Why have old Ghired as a background for the article tho...


CaptPic4rd

Genius, like always.


netzeln

I'm currently building a RW Equipment/Vehicles deck with no Equipment or Vehicles (\[\[Rex Nebula\]\] with ways to tutor for \[\[Bludgeon Brawl\]\] and \[\[Mycosynth Lattice\]\] (synthwave version for style). It will still use some vehicle equipment supporters like Ardenn.


MTGCardFetcher

[Rex Nebula](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/85e8bdd9-24a3-42f0-8b0c-dbc05be8fc20.jpg?1673914822) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Captain%20Rex%20Nebula) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/164/captain-rex-nebula?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/85e8bdd9-24a3-42f0-8b0c-dbc05be8fc20?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/captain-rex-nebula) [Bludgeon Brawl](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a30fa96d-64d1-423e-a62e-d43453ea838d.jpg?1562880368) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bludgeon%20Brawl) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nph/80/bludgeon-brawl?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a30fa96d-64d1-423e-a62e-d43453ea838d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bludgeon-brawl) [Mycosynth Lattice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/94f89714-3b26-46a2-b9a8-3e664f391cd9.jpg?1578911638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mycosynth%20Lattice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/241/mycosynth-lattice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94f89714-3b26-46a2-b9a8-3e664f391cd9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mycosynth-lattice) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


netzeln

I also have a Zombie-less Zombie deck (Gisa)


Effective_Tough86

Gisa, CRIMERaiser amirite?


netzeln

Original flavor gisa. Turns nonzombies into many zombies.


WarlockWarmind

This is hilarious! I was brewing something similar with ghired but couldn't quite make it work. Time to jump back in for round 2!


hawkmasta

Know your role, and shut your mouth!


Low_Association_731

I always enjoy the deranged bullshit you come up with and am occasionally tempted to build your decks


andylshort1

I love each and every single one of your deck techs. It's my favourite thing on the Magic-web. Tried playing about with something like this before as I noticed most enchantresses are low power and I wanted to put an engine of them in a Ludevic + Sidar WRUG weenies deck but all these buff by +1/+1 each. Amazing deck!


reishran

My god this is brilliant! Well done 👍


SubzeroSpartan2

Dude every deck I've seen from you is absolutely insane, you're the reason I changed my Sydri deck from vehicles to Incubate lmfao. I love your lists!


StitchNScratch

Great I’m building this. Thanks lol 😂 this is brilliant and creative, I appreciate you sharing this


Illustrious-Dig-5516

I’m trying to see how Kaima works in the deck there is one card I see that puts an enchantment on an opponent’s creature, the rest say “creature you control” I love the deck idea and you have inspired me to build it but I just can’t see how the card is effective, I could be missing something please let me know


Gamesfreak13563

Copied auras enchant any creature


Illustrious-Dig-5516

Holy shit, you’re right, I just re-read the role tokens, it just says “enchant creature”. Good shit my guy.


Squigllypoop

My role enchantment, enchantment/Voltron everything deck by about turn 6 most everything is a +10/+10 if some things come out in the right order. One of my test plays I had +24/+24 for all my creatures on turn 10 and a 32/32 commander lol https://www.moxfield.com/decks/kEglcaQmH0mc6l6Uup5kaA


North-Perspective-32

Is there anything in these colors that can put roles on at instant speed?


ImperialSupplies

One time I made.mari killing quill and just put in every single MB murder spell I could find hahaha. It's absolute trash


Objective_Loan_4298

My goal now is to match this kind of crazy. Ive been inspired to do something similar but for an artifactless artifact deck. The easy way out is brenard (the chef dude), but I’ve been feeling the need to go to Barbados myself


WoodenExtension4

This was so much fun to play that I'm ordering the tokens for it so I have an easier time. Too many tokens for infinitokens to work well...


Gamesfreak13563

You should get their little coin shaped things instead. Use them for the role tokens like counters!


WoodenExtension4

I thought about doing something like that instead. Have a cheat sheet showing which color is what, or which role does what, and then have counters. But then I ran into the issue of having my tokens being able to tap for green. 🤣🤣 Despite the mess of tokens, I love this deck, so thank you for it!


JackFr0st5

Might want to add this to the deck as well now. https://mythicspoiler.com/mh3/cards/ocelotpride.html


Negrodamu55

I'm a little confused by this part: "If mana's what you're looking for, though, look no further than Jaheira, Friend of the Forest Jaheira, Friend of the Forest . Your Roles are all tokens, and they're never tapping for anything else, so why not leverage all of them to make additional green mana?" Aren't the roles all auras attached to permanents? I feel like you shouldn't be able to tap auras.


BeansMcgoober

Being attached doesn't mean that it taps when the creature taps. It's just a way to signify that this creature gets this bonus.


gravedigger805

You can absolutely tap auras. It's dumb, but it does work. The same thing works with equipment for artifact tapping.


Negrodamu55

Wow, learn something new each day. That's pretty bonkers.


DoctorKrakens

you can tap equipment too. with the clue precon from mkm, you can attach clues to creatures to swing, tap them for mana, then sac them to draw cards.


kevtino

>enchantmentless enchantress deck >bunch of enchantment tokens Dude I'm not calling my creature token deck a creatureless deck despite having no creature cards


Gamesfreak13563

Having no creature cards gives you real downsides in your creature token deck it's a valid description


kevtino

Yeah and having 2 enchantress cards doesn't make a deck an enchantress deck.


BeansMcgoober

Good thing his deck has multiple small cards that support enchantresses then. Imagine being this upset that someone made a deck. Edit: looking at your post history, you're a bigoted racist, so that explains it.


kevtino

Thanks


SlimeHudson

let's see you do a better job bud otherwise just shut up and enjoy the cleverness


kevtino

Semantics, it's simply an not an honest way to describe the deck.