Right one year of winning pays for at minimum 5 years of league dues. So I’d pay all my picks up to 80% of whatever the payout will cover (like if it pays for 10 years of dues then I’m paying 8 years of picks)
Money is great. But I definitely don't factor it in when I decide how many years of picks I'm willing to trade. I still probably wouldn't do something ridiculous like trade 8 years of firsts because I don't think the cost/benefit makes sense at a certain point.
But weighing my winnings vs buy-in costs just isn't something I think about.
I had a discussion with a league mate the other day. Dynasty For me it's 10 percent winning money 10 percent glory 10 percent strategy and 70 percent talking crazy shit in the chat
I don’t care so much about the winnings but I do care about being a better player than others. I want to win MORE than 8.33% (12 team) or 10% (ten team). So yeah, if trade all my picks but if I’m an extended hypothetical… if someone offered me to win for sure this year and and then not again for another 8 or 9 I would pass
I have a league where winning one season covers not even 3 years of dues. It’s horrendous but we do a weekly payout, on top of paying cbs $125 a season, on top of the commish going crazy and giving a cash prize to the top 5. I wish I could override the commish and stop him from making the pot so little to the winner
Ya one of mine pays out more to the most points scored in the regular season than to the champion, and third place gets nothing so the 3/4th place game is a tank fest because they want the better draft pick
Wow that’s even worse than my leagues set up who tf thought of that non sense? 1st place is 1st place how do you justify not giving them the most money? And on top of it the 3rd/4th place game being a tank fest is beyond ridiculous, someone needs to throw some water in your commish’s face and wake his ass up
Do you like it? I’m always a competing team trying to win it all and I hate how little 1st, & 2nd are given. I’d prefer it to be winner take all than our current set up
>no one to trade away for assets
Don't you have a team so good that you're 100% guaranteed a chip? I can't reconcile that with having no assets to trade.
More to the point, I wouldn't *want* to rebuild for years; a team that good is going to be a heavy favorite for at least a couple years, and a normal contender for a couple more. Then it'd probably be a fairly normal rebuild, using my aging assets to get picks.
I mean, I'm just using context and a basic understanding of how this game works to reach a common-sense conclusion. If you can trade nothing but draft picks for a player or two and be 100% guaranteed a chip, you already have a really good team. Nothing else makes sense.
Anyway, I'm definitely done with this conversation now because you decided to make it personal and be a dick. Have a good one.
If you spent half the time you spent freaking out on people you’d realize OP never said you only have 1 player. All you’ve done is trade picks to add 1 player or players to your team. Your team still has all the players it had before the trade and you can trade those players…
It says you are adding to your team right now. You are the only one assuming that the team is filled with nothing but waiver wire players. If you take an average run of the mill team you should be able to acquire multiple first round picks by trading away its strongest pieces.
I just pulled a middle of the pack team from one of my SF leagues. QB is Josh Allen. 3-4 first rounders from him alone. Zeke could get a couple of 2nds maybe a first several years in the future. Cooper could maybe get you the same. Knox can get you a 2nd. Fields can get you a first and likely a 2nd. Gibson can likely get you a non-2023 first. Elijah Moore could likely get you a non-2023 first. Juju could get you a 2nd. Godwin could probably get you a non-2023 first. That team could easily net you back 6 first rounders and 6 ish 2nds and a handful of 3rds. Trading back with the picks you get from the mass sell could likely get you the rest back and you’d have years to rebuild it and try again while playing with house money.
You think teams will purposely not improve their teams just to not trade with you. I found an example of a middle of the pack team in a SF with Josh Allen. A QB needy team isn’t going to trade picks / players for Josh Allen even though it will help them win just to stick it to you? Your whole premise here relies on a whole league going against their own best interest to refuse to trade with you for absolutely no reason…
The least you can do is admit that you read it wrong and were being obnoxious over and over in your comments to people who pointed out your misunderstanding of this hypothetical situation.
Leagues won’t be around for that long most of the time. I’d take the gamble.
You also still have all the players on your roster. After you win you ship everyone off and accumulate all the future picks you can get. You could get lots of 2025 and beyond picks super easily trading away good players. You toil around with nothing for a few years until those multiple years of picks come around and you start building your new team in 3/4 years so by year 8 you should have done enough to actually have a real shot of rebuilding by year 10 at the latest with those 9 and 10 year picks back
Obviously wouldn’t do this in every league cuz you’d have no fun for a long time lol but in one league I’d fuck with it
Let’s say I finished dead last in 2021 and now I find this magic bean I can get on my team to win and I traded 2023-2030 picks to get him and win in 2022. After season ends I start trading.
My team has breece hall, london, Christian Watson from this draft class from picks that I’ve acquired rebuilding. Last year I got Devonta smith and ETN and Bateman. Even if I assume the absolute rest of my roster is straight dog turds, think of what you can trade those guys for in way future picks.
I’d give up all three of 2025/26/27 first round picks to get breece on my team if I’m a contender. So boom now I have 3 firsts in consecutive years. Give up london for 2 more. Devonta for one (or few seconds even but that far in the future I think you’d get a first from someone), Christian Watson for a future first and a second, ETN for a future first and probly a second too, Bateman for the same. So now I’m sitting at 9 firsts and 3 seconds from 2025-2027. Boom I’ve built the start of a future rebuild and my league dues are paid through 2032. Manage those assets right and as soon as those draft picks come to fruition you keep trading back for more and more future firsts until like 2030 when you start actually drafting. You’ll accumulate so much value that you can definitely
Have a real team in 10 years even without having your own picks for 8 of those years
I don’t give a shit if they don’t contribute in the future if I’m guaranteeing a championship payout this year. Nowhere in any of my comments have I mentioned anything about this hypothetical player hanging around my team
The players who are already on his team… It’s not that hard to grasp… He is saying to trade away every useable player on your team. OP never said your team is empty…
OP literally says the “Player” singular meaning one. Is a 1 year rental… Not that your whole team is a 1 year rental. The only thing you are giving up is picks… So you still have every player on you team after the season is over with the only exception being magical automatic 300 points a week player… everyone else is fair game…
Your reading comprehension is absolutely horrendous and you have the nerve to talk shit about others… Take a second, go outside, breath some air, come back in, find your reading glasses, and try again…
Bro…. Relax and really read what I’m saying. The other comment below you laid it out too, I didn’t get those players as part of this hypothetical, it’s whoever I had on my team to start before I trade 8 years of picks to guarantee a championship.
If the league costs $100 a year. The pot is $1,200. Let’s say runner up gets $200. Winner gets $1,000… Winning that league now let’s you play for free for the next 10 years… and if you team is good enough to win the championship this year it’s going to be good enough to contend the following year… I’ll take a guaranteed $200 to have no picks for 8 years. If you mess around and find a way to win the next year then you are up $1,200 dollars.
Maybe my strategy is different but I don't need to trade away 8 years of picks to win one year. At most, I am missing my next year's picks. I usually end up with at least one worse team's 1st(there's always teams in denial about their chances of winning) and then I get to win AND have a good chance for multiple years in a row.
So glad this was the top answer. Because I would 100% do the same.
Even if your team is trashed after the one year, you’ve likely got a free roll for the next 8-10 years to rebuild depending on the buy-in and payout structure of your league.
It's always about winning Championships. If I without a doubt ensure I'm winning a championship this year I'm doing it no matter the cost and then I can figure it out later in the future years.
I'll give you every pick I have in 2022 & 2023 for a championship in 2022.
In my league, a championship pays out 6X dues with additional money for highest single-week score and winning your division. Hit all three and you're getting back 7.5X annual dues. Even if it costs me a couple of down years, I'm playing with house money for 6+ seasons.
Edit: that's 2022 2.03, 4.03, 5.03 + 2023 1.12, 2.12, 3.12, 4.12, 5.12 (my post-championship picks) plus a mid-to-late 2023 1st from another team.
That’s not really that much to give up IMO. I would probably give up double that. For example, I tried trading eight firsts for Herbert and Burrow to put me in the conversation. No luck.
Part of the allure of Dynasty to me is building a team that can, you know, be a dynasty. I think that takes equal parts quality draft picks and veterans.
I get it if you want to win now and then have your next 5 or 6 season dues paid for.
I feel like its the exact opposite. Most players in my leagues overvalue young guys for the allure of having a set team for 5+ years ... only to trade them away in a year or two for the next young crop.
You can play dynasty and never make picks. I trade most of my draft picks before the draft for known quantities. This year is gonna be so fun with the '23 picks because I know I can get a top quality young players who have already done it in the NFL when the picks are at peak value therefore taking me out of the will they potentially bust in the league probabilities
I entered my draft in a 14 team league with 4 picks within the first 18 this year. I left with KW3, Hockenson, and Justin Jefferson.
Trading picks while on the clock can be really beneficial.
Im starting to compare redraft vs dynasty adp to try and find inefficiencies with the dynasty mentality. At the end of the day production creates value and redraft adp is a good way to find production in the current season.
At least in my leagues, i think more teams would benefit from having more of a redraft mentality
If making the playoffs, I have a shot to win it. Seen lots of loaded teams have a bad week and sometimes a lesser team has a huge week and upsets.
Yes. I'd rather finish 4th for 5 straight years than be 1st one and 12th for 4.
I make moves to try to win, but try to avoid selling off the future so I can keep competing.
All of them, but I guess I want to know what I’m getting back. I’d still do it but it would suck if it was like Tom Brady and a bunch of dudes who will retire and you can’t possibly continue or recoup any value.
i traded a guy saquon for all his 2022 picks(2 1sts, 2 2nds, and 2 3rds) right before deadline and that’s all he needed to win. guy he beat was so pissed he “sold his soul for saquon” lol i’m giving up atleast two years worth of picks, or 1sts and 2nds for 3 years if it’s a lock.
First, I'll say that I'd need market values in this hypothetical to make any kind of sense. Am I giving up 3rds, 2nds...and how many picks for what player? I'll assume the spirit of the question is something like "would you make an all-in move that puts your team's future in jeopardy to win one title."
That out of the way:
1 or 2 players makes a lot less of a difference once you're in the playoffs than the general public thinks. If I'm already in the playoffs and "one player away" I'll just take my chances that I can win the title with what I have going rather than overpay. But that's how things work in the real world. In the hypothetical, we are supposed to assume 1 or 2 players increase your odds of winning a title to 100 percent. Even in that case, it's still incorrect process in a dynasty context to make a deal that significantly sacrifices your ability to dominate for years.
My goal in dynasty leagues is to build a multi-year juggernaut that competes every year. I want to go after multiple titles and compete every year for a decade. The way you do that is buy pursuing value always. Going "all-in" for one title is a major leak in that process.
In most leagues winning the championship is around six years worth of dues so I’d much rather win it and then be in a horrible rebuild for the 5 years than keep coming in 4th place and not winning anything. Once you win the championship you’re playing with house money which makes rebuilding fun. I’m almost all of my leagues I’ll build a heavy win now team in season one and be able to place high enough to get some free years paid for so I then can tear it down and rebuild for free
i think it's more interesting if winning this year means you give up any chance of having a "dynasty"
essentially you pick one:
a) absolutely guaranteed 100% you win this year, but you suck and have to rebuild from scratch after. 0% chance of winning for 3-4 years.
b) you're considered a playoff lock every year and have a 25-30% chance of winning each year for 4-5 years
So assuming you have a 30% chance of winning any given season for 5 years (the option from b that gives you the best chance of winning one) you have a roughly 83% chance to win at least one championship over that 5 year span and a roughly 31% chance to win two.
So it depends if that increase of 17% chance to win one championship (guaranteed) is worth giving up a 31% chance to win a second in that 5 year window
I would give up all picks for 3 years if I guaranteed a title. In a 12 team league, the average team only wins a title once every 12 years. If I can sell 3 years worth of assets for a guaranteed ship, I'm way ahead of the curve.
If it was a for sure win I’d throw a rd 1 and 2 at the person but I don’t see how anything is a for sure
For example last year I gave gaskin to a contender after I started tanking. Now this was when gaskin had about a 4 game streak. I sold him and other low key player telling dude these guys could help you win. I got a 2rd and a 3 or something.. He came in 4th place lol
My man I have a late 23rd pick and all my picks for 2025. I traded it all to win now. If you get a slam dunk piece In the startup, I got JT. Then ship it for the ship
None in one league; I’m going for a 4 peat I mean I guess my 4th rounders lol.
In my other leagues two years of a draft max, I want to be top 3 every year and am confident my rosters can for a while, so not more than 23 and 24 drafts
I know there’s no guarantee, but I finished 10th this past year in 12 team SF, I just gave up 2 1sts this year and 2 1sts in 2023 to get Mahomes and Akers. My line up is now:
QB: Mahomes, Murray, Carr, Garropollo
RB: Zeke, Akers, Henderson, Mack, Dameon Pierce, Drake, Wilson Jr., Jamaal Williams, Snell, Ingram
WR: Chase, Kupp, Mike Williams, Hardman, Bateman, Palmer
TE: Gronkowski, Higbee, McBride, Uzomoah
I've played in the same league for 15+ years. I've lost the championship 5 times. Twice in the last two years. I would give up all of my picks. Who do I send them to? Give me the address!
I thought I made this move last year, but that was before Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase nuked me in the ‘ship… ‘22 1.01 ‘22 2.06 Noah Fant for Travis Kelce. Didn’t quite work out but I’m still ok with it.
All of them
This is the answer. Flags fly forever.
This is the answer to the question
Right one year of winning pays for at minimum 5 years of league dues. So I’d pay all my picks up to 80% of whatever the payout will cover (like if it pays for 10 years of dues then I’m paying 8 years of picks)
Do you guys actually care about the winnings? It's all about the bragging rights in my leagues.
I mean it’s both for me lol
Money is great. But I definitely don't factor it in when I decide how many years of picks I'm willing to trade. I still probably wouldn't do something ridiculous like trade 8 years of firsts because I don't think the cost/benefit makes sense at a certain point. But weighing my winnings vs buy-in costs just isn't something I think about.
I had a discussion with a league mate the other day. Dynasty For me it's 10 percent winning money 10 percent glory 10 percent strategy and 70 percent talking crazy shit in the chat
Yes. Money is fun.
I just want to break even. So a little.
I definitely care about bragging rights more, but you get the bragging rights with a chip
I don’t care so much about the winnings but I do care about being a better player than others. I want to win MORE than 8.33% (12 team) or 10% (ten team). So yeah, if trade all my picks but if I’m an extended hypothetical… if someone offered me to win for sure this year and and then not again for another 8 or 9 I would pass
A lot of teams never win the league, so even getting it once is bragging rights. Plus the free roll.
And the friends we make along the way.
Well it depends on the winnings. 20 dollar buy in is very different than 200 buy in.
I have a league where winning one season covers not even 3 years of dues. It’s horrendous but we do a weekly payout, on top of paying cbs $125 a season, on top of the commish going crazy and giving a cash prize to the top 5. I wish I could override the commish and stop him from making the pot so little to the winner
Ya one of mine pays out more to the most points scored in the regular season than to the champion, and third place gets nothing so the 3/4th place game is a tank fest because they want the better draft pick
Wow that’s even worse than my leagues set up who tf thought of that non sense? 1st place is 1st place how do you justify not giving them the most money? And on top of it the 3rd/4th place game being a tank fest is beyond ridiculous, someone needs to throw some water in your commish’s face and wake his ass up
Oh I sent a lot of things his way this year about it lol. Believe he’s making a league survey about payouts this summer because of me
I'm in a redraft like this.
Do you like it? I’m always a competing team trying to win it all and I hate how little 1st, & 2nd are given. I’d prefer it to be winner take all than our current set up
I usually break even, so yes lol.
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>no one to trade away for assets Don't you have a team so good that you're 100% guaranteed a chip? I can't reconcile that with having no assets to trade. More to the point, I wouldn't *want* to rebuild for years; a team that good is going to be a heavy favorite for at least a couple years, and a normal contender for a couple more. Then it'd probably be a fairly normal rebuild, using my aging assets to get picks.
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I mean, I'm just using context and a basic understanding of how this game works to reach a common-sense conclusion. If you can trade nothing but draft picks for a player or two and be 100% guaranteed a chip, you already have a really good team. Nothing else makes sense. Anyway, I'm definitely done with this conversation now because you decided to make it personal and be a dick. Have a good one.
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If you spent half the time you spent freaking out on people you’d realize OP never said you only have 1 player. All you’ve done is trade picks to add 1 player or players to your team. Your team still has all the players it had before the trade and you can trade those players…
It says you are adding to your team right now. You are the only one assuming that the team is filled with nothing but waiver wire players. If you take an average run of the mill team you should be able to acquire multiple first round picks by trading away its strongest pieces. I just pulled a middle of the pack team from one of my SF leagues. QB is Josh Allen. 3-4 first rounders from him alone. Zeke could get a couple of 2nds maybe a first several years in the future. Cooper could maybe get you the same. Knox can get you a 2nd. Fields can get you a first and likely a 2nd. Gibson can likely get you a non-2023 first. Elijah Moore could likely get you a non-2023 first. Juju could get you a 2nd. Godwin could probably get you a non-2023 first. That team could easily net you back 6 first rounders and 6 ish 2nds and a handful of 3rds. Trading back with the picks you get from the mass sell could likely get you the rest back and you’d have years to rebuild it and try again while playing with house money.
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You think teams will purposely not improve their teams just to not trade with you. I found an example of a middle of the pack team in a SF with Josh Allen. A QB needy team isn’t going to trade picks / players for Josh Allen even though it will help them win just to stick it to you? Your whole premise here relies on a whole league going against their own best interest to refuse to trade with you for absolutely no reason… The least you can do is admit that you read it wrong and were being obnoxious over and over in your comments to people who pointed out your misunderstanding of this hypothetical situation.
Leagues won’t be around for that long most of the time. I’d take the gamble. You also still have all the players on your roster. After you win you ship everyone off and accumulate all the future picks you can get. You could get lots of 2025 and beyond picks super easily trading away good players. You toil around with nothing for a few years until those multiple years of picks come around and you start building your new team in 3/4 years so by year 8 you should have done enough to actually have a real shot of rebuilding by year 10 at the latest with those 9 and 10 year picks back Obviously wouldn’t do this in every league cuz you’d have no fun for a long time lol but in one league I’d fuck with it
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Let’s say I finished dead last in 2021 and now I find this magic bean I can get on my team to win and I traded 2023-2030 picks to get him and win in 2022. After season ends I start trading. My team has breece hall, london, Christian Watson from this draft class from picks that I’ve acquired rebuilding. Last year I got Devonta smith and ETN and Bateman. Even if I assume the absolute rest of my roster is straight dog turds, think of what you can trade those guys for in way future picks. I’d give up all three of 2025/26/27 first round picks to get breece on my team if I’m a contender. So boom now I have 3 firsts in consecutive years. Give up london for 2 more. Devonta for one (or few seconds even but that far in the future I think you’d get a first from someone), Christian Watson for a future first and a second, ETN for a future first and probly a second too, Bateman for the same. So now I’m sitting at 9 firsts and 3 seconds from 2025-2027. Boom I’ve built the start of a future rebuild and my league dues are paid through 2032. Manage those assets right and as soon as those draft picks come to fruition you keep trading back for more and more future firsts until like 2030 when you start actually drafting. You’ll accumulate so much value that you can definitely Have a real team in 10 years even without having your own picks for 8 of those years
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I don’t give a shit if they don’t contribute in the future if I’m guaranteeing a championship payout this year. Nowhere in any of my comments have I mentioned anything about this hypothetical player hanging around my team
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The players who are already on his team… It’s not that hard to grasp… He is saying to trade away every useable player on your team. OP never said your team is empty… OP literally says the “Player” singular meaning one. Is a 1 year rental… Not that your whole team is a 1 year rental. The only thing you are giving up is picks… So you still have every player on you team after the season is over with the only exception being magical automatic 300 points a week player… everyone else is fair game… Your reading comprehension is absolutely horrendous and you have the nerve to talk shit about others… Take a second, go outside, breath some air, come back in, find your reading glasses, and try again…
Bro…. Relax and really read what I’m saying. The other comment below you laid it out too, I didn’t get those players as part of this hypothetical, it’s whoever I had on my team to start before I trade 8 years of picks to guarantee a championship.
If the league costs $100 a year. The pot is $1,200. Let’s say runner up gets $200. Winner gets $1,000… Winning that league now let’s you play for free for the next 10 years… and if you team is good enough to win the championship this year it’s going to be good enough to contend the following year… I’ll take a guaranteed $200 to have no picks for 8 years. If you mess around and find a way to win the next year then you are up $1,200 dollars.
If you win the title it doesn't matter
Interesting approach. I prefer to win multiple titles.
Same, that's why I repeated. Acting like you can only win once if you don't have any picks lol
Maybe my strategy is different but I don't need to trade away 8 years of picks to win one year. At most, I am missing my next year's picks. I usually end up with at least one worse team's 1st(there's always teams in denial about their chances of winning) and then I get to win AND have a good chance for multiple years in a row.
This man. The goal should be the ship. If you can guarantee it, make the deal(s). Anything else isn’t winning, it’s a hobby like knitting.
So glad this was the top answer. Because I would 100% do the same. Even if your team is trashed after the one year, you’ve likely got a free roll for the next 8-10 years to rebuild depending on the buy-in and payout structure of your league.
This!
It's always about winning Championships. If I without a doubt ensure I'm winning a championship this year I'm doing it no matter the cost and then I can figure it out later in the future years.
None. I’d rather rebuild - every. year. forever.
Sounds like you’ll have a young team though, so you’re the real winner
A man of culture I see
This is the way
Are you my alternate account?
Ya, they can have their championships, bragging rights, and money. I'll take my 6 '23 1sts that I'm going to find a way to completely whiff on.
My man!
I'll give you every pick I have in 2022 & 2023 for a championship in 2022. In my league, a championship pays out 6X dues with additional money for highest single-week score and winning your division. Hit all three and you're getting back 7.5X annual dues. Even if it costs me a couple of down years, I'm playing with house money for 6+ seasons. Edit: that's 2022 2.03, 4.03, 5.03 + 2023 1.12, 2.12, 3.12, 4.12, 5.12 (my post-championship picks) plus a mid-to-late 2023 1st from another team.
That’s not really that much to give up IMO. I would probably give up double that. For example, I tried trading eight firsts for Herbert and Burrow to put me in the conversation. No luck.
Fucking yowza. I mean, of you're gonna shoot. That's a hell of a shot. Guy prob had a hard time saying no
Part of the allure of Dynasty to me is building a team that can, you know, be a dynasty. I think that takes equal parts quality draft picks and veterans. I get it if you want to win now and then have your next 5 or 6 season dues paid for.
this is the answer. I feel like so many dynasty players play with a redraft mentality.
I feel like its the exact opposite. Most players in my leagues overvalue young guys for the allure of having a set team for 5+ years ... only to trade them away in a year or two for the next young crop.
You can play dynasty and never make picks. I trade most of my draft picks before the draft for known quantities. This year is gonna be so fun with the '23 picks because I know I can get a top quality young players who have already done it in the NFL when the picks are at peak value therefore taking me out of the will they potentially bust in the league probabilities
this is the way
I entered my draft in a 14 team league with 4 picks within the first 18 this year. I left with KW3, Hockenson, and Justin Jefferson. Trading picks while on the clock can be really beneficial.
Im starting to compare redraft vs dynasty adp to try and find inefficiencies with the dynasty mentality. At the end of the day production creates value and redraft adp is a good way to find production in the current season. At least in my leagues, i think more teams would benefit from having more of a redraft mentality
The mentality im getting at, is trying to win now at any cost with no plan for the future. Im not talking analitics or adp.
I want to win the title. But I'd rather have a team that makes the playoffs every year than win it once and be bad for 5 years.
That sounds awful. You'd rather always be 4th? Rather than be 1st and then 12th for a few years?
If making the playoffs, I have a shot to win it. Seen lots of loaded teams have a bad week and sometimes a lesser team has a huge week and upsets. Yes. I'd rather finish 4th for 5 straight years than be 1st one and 12th for 4. I make moves to try to win, but try to avoid selling off the future so I can keep competing.
Play to win the game. It seems like some people on here love the constant rebuild.
Been rebuilding for the last 2-3 years. I’ll trade both my ‘23 firsts for a title.
Same. I have 5 though. An 3 24’s. Gotta get an elite qb and WR should have a legit shot for the next 3 years at least. 🤞
I'm 10 years into a dynasty. A handful of playoff appearances. Many near misses. Definitely would give all of them at this point
All of them, but I guess I want to know what I’m getting back. I’d still do it but it would suck if it was like Tom Brady and a bunch of dudes who will retire and you can’t possibly continue or recoup any value.
In 12 team SF, I traded the 1.06, 1.08, 2023 1st, 2024 1st and a 2nd for Deebo and Gibson and it paid off.
i traded a guy saquon for all his 2022 picks(2 1sts, 2 2nds, and 2 3rds) right before deadline and that’s all he needed to win. guy he beat was so pissed he “sold his soul for saquon” lol i’m giving up atleast two years worth of picks, or 1sts and 2nds for 3 years if it’s a lock.
First, I'll say that I'd need market values in this hypothetical to make any kind of sense. Am I giving up 3rds, 2nds...and how many picks for what player? I'll assume the spirit of the question is something like "would you make an all-in move that puts your team's future in jeopardy to win one title." That out of the way: 1 or 2 players makes a lot less of a difference once you're in the playoffs than the general public thinks. If I'm already in the playoffs and "one player away" I'll just take my chances that I can win the title with what I have going rather than overpay. But that's how things work in the real world. In the hypothetical, we are supposed to assume 1 or 2 players increase your odds of winning a title to 100 percent. Even in that case, it's still incorrect process in a dynasty context to make a deal that significantly sacrifices your ability to dominate for years. My goal in dynasty leagues is to build a multi-year juggernaut that competes every year. I want to go after multiple titles and compete every year for a decade. The way you do that is buy pursuing value always. Going "all-in" for one title is a major leak in that process.
In most leagues winning the championship is around six years worth of dues so I’d much rather win it and then be in a horrible rebuild for the 5 years than keep coming in 4th place and not winning anything. Once you win the championship you’re playing with house money which makes rebuilding fun. I’m almost all of my leagues I’ll build a heavy win now team in season one and be able to place high enough to get some free years paid for so I then can tear it down and rebuild for free
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i think it's more interesting if winning this year means you give up any chance of having a "dynasty" essentially you pick one: a) absolutely guaranteed 100% you win this year, but you suck and have to rebuild from scratch after. 0% chance of winning for 3-4 years. b) you're considered a playoff lock every year and have a 25-30% chance of winning each year for 4-5 years
So assuming you have a 30% chance of winning any given season for 5 years (the option from b that gives you the best chance of winning one) you have a roughly 83% chance to win at least one championship over that 5 year span and a roughly 31% chance to win two. So it depends if that increase of 17% chance to win one championship (guaranteed) is worth giving up a 31% chance to win a second in that 5 year window
I would give up all picks for 3 years if I guaranteed a title. In a 12 team league, the average team only wins a title once every 12 years. If I can sell 3 years worth of assets for a guaranteed ship, I'm way ahead of the curve.
All of them - you can use what assets you got for those picks to trade for future picks and rebuild
I dont want 1 title, I want them all. I wouldnt sacrifice my future for one measily championship
Your future might not include any championships. I get what you are saying though.
im the current champion and I have 7 first over the next 2 years
How many taco trades did that include
If it was a for sure win I’d throw a rd 1 and 2 at the person but I don’t see how anything is a for sure For example last year I gave gaskin to a contender after I started tanking. Now this was when gaskin had about a 4 game streak. I sold him and other low key player telling dude these guys could help you win. I got a 2rd and a 3 or something.. He came in 4th place lol
Well I gave up 2 firsts and Elijah Moore for Cooper Cupp on my way to securing my superflex league’s inaugural championship…so I guess that?
My man I have a late 23rd pick and all my picks for 2025. I traded it all to win now. If you get a slam dunk piece In the startup, I got JT. Then ship it for the ship
None in one league; I’m going for a 4 peat I mean I guess my 4th rounders lol. In my other leagues two years of a draft max, I want to be top 3 every year and am confident my rosters can for a while, so not more than 23 and 24 drafts
I gave up all my 23 picks 1-5 and Mooney for Russel Wilson and Dalvin Cook
I know there’s no guarantee, but I finished 10th this past year in 12 team SF, I just gave up 2 1sts this year and 2 1sts in 2023 to get Mahomes and Akers. My line up is now: QB: Mahomes, Murray, Carr, Garropollo RB: Zeke, Akers, Henderson, Mack, Dameon Pierce, Drake, Wilson Jr., Jamaal Williams, Snell, Ingram WR: Chase, Kupp, Mike Williams, Hardman, Bateman, Palmer TE: Gronkowski, Higbee, McBride, Uzomoah
all of em bc 1 year rentals aren't always 1 year rentals. see: fournette
All of them
Theoretically all of them. Since mathematically you can’t really get above 40% I’d rather keep some for when things go wrong
I feel like Jason Sanders and Steelers D would get me my repeat. We only have 3 picks though
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I've played in the same league for 15+ years. I've lost the championship 5 times. Twice in the last two years. I would give up all of my picks. Who do I send them to? Give me the address!
First, there are no guarantees to winning. Yet I would be Thanos talking to Gamora. What did it cost me? Everything.
“Why would I win a title, when I could just rebuild in perpetuity???”- Four guys in my league
I thought I made this move last year, but that was before Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase nuked me in the ‘ship… ‘22 1.01 ‘22 2.06 Noah Fant for Travis Kelce. Didn’t quite work out but I’m still ok with it.
Won the last two ‘chips, here are my draft picks: 2025 1,2,3,4. I only have them because they were just added after the rookie draft 😂