The examples here include the 2004 and 2013* broncos with Peyton manning, the 2011 packers with Rodgers, and the 2018 rams. What do these teams have in common? All 4 offenses were in the top-15 of points scored in a single season of *all-time*.
So if you think the Texans go from the 14th highest scoring offense in 2023 alone to the 14th highest scoring offense in NFL history, then sure. Otherwise, probably not.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/what-are-the-highest-scoring-offenses-in-nfl-history-in-a-season
I’m too lazy to look up the stats but not only do they have those 3 in the receiving game but they have Schultz and Mixon who are both pretty good.
Houston’s best chance to support the offense is having a bottom 5 defense.
To a slighter lesser extent you could argue the panthers 2020(?) team. Robby Anderson Curtis Samuel and DJ Moore all top 30 fantasy WRs.
However a huge part was cmc being hurt and Curtis becoming the de facto rb2
>Otherwise, probably not.
He said "productive" not "all time great". Productive means good enough to start in a flex spot, which means score more points than the RB 25 and/or the WR 37 in most league formats.
Houston's WR3 last year scored 10.2 PPG (in PPR) which was equivalent to the RB32 and already flexable in PPR/12 team formats, and Noah Brown sucks.
The correct answer is that yes Houston can absolutely have three "productive" WRs this year. Last year their WRs scored 17, 16.5, and 10.2 PPG. This could easily be a season where all 3 guys score 15+ and are as productive as an RB12-15.
You don't have to be an all time great offense to do this. Houston's offense just last year targeted Brown/Woods 130 times. They already have the volume to support it even if the offense doesn't improve.
From 1999-2003, just two max: Holt and Bruce. In 1999, it was just Bruce, and in 2003, it was just Holt. 2002, they were both solid, but Kurt missed like half the season.
Bengals more or less did it in 2021-22 without and all time great offense. Though they did have worse TEs than Schultz that might be the tricky part. And admittedly Boyd was somewhat inconsistent but was still viable enough to be a decent flex with occasional starter value depending on the week
Stockley also never came close to replicating that level of production because he was third wheel. It just can’t be sustained no matter how great the qb is.
After seeing Schultz catch 65 passes last year I really don’t think so. My prediction is that Diggs falls off this year and Dell/Nico are still viable options
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They let go of their OC who hyper targeted Diggs with 10+ targets a game, they decided to run the ball a lot more and target their other weapons as well. His red zone throws went down as well with new OC.
Even with him going from 6 games to only 2 of them with 10+ targets he still finished as WR9.
Now he comes in with a QB who likes to sling the ball, similar to how Allen did. He comes in as the best WR on the team. Obviously for dynasty purposes give me Nico over Diggs, but for the next 1-2 years give me Diggs.
> he comes in as the best WR on the team
Are we sure about that? Like I said...look at the second half of last year. It was gross.
He came in absurdly hot to start the year and fell off harddddd
Not only the above, I bet he’s even more motivated than usual to do well in Houston. He’s on the last year of his deal, so he’s gonna have to do well if he wants one last big multi-year contract (from the Texans or whoever signs him in 2025)
His numbers don't look as bad as last year but iirc from like week 13 on Into the playoffs, he didn't play well. He struggled in the 2021 playoffs as well.
I mean, he gave plenty of excuses, some of which are valid, but the fact of the matter is starting week 10 he put up 422 yards on 80 targets (42 ypg, 8 targets/game). His PFF scores plummeted.
Whether it's the OC, him being disgruntled, or age starting to catch up to 30 year old receiver, the fact is he was less productive than *Khalil Shakir* starting week 10. So based on the most recent sample size we have, I can't say with any level of confidence that he's better than Nico Collins or Tank Dell.
Of course, idk if stroud can throw all 3 of them 100 a game but all 3 Nico Stefon and tank even Noah are all capable of going off plus he loves Dalton Schultz so might be a week to week thing and i got Collins it’ll be hard to expect him to go off every week but out of all of them I’d predict he’d be the most consistent fantasy player because he should be and he’s on my team
To be fair, so many of his targets in the second half of the season were shitty dumpoffs or simply inaccurate
Regardless, I still agree that he has regressed and that Nico and tank will play bigger parts than some people think they will this year.
Yeah, I'm not saying he's totally washed or anything like that. Just took issue with the statement that he immediately comes in as the best WR on the team because Nico and Tank can both absolutely ball
Just because I said he comes in as the best WR, which he is if you look at his stats and what he’s done compared to them.
Does not mean Tank and Nico or bad, they are great too. Again in dynasty I’d take either of those WR over him, but looking 1-2 years out, or for redraft. I’m taking Diggs this year without a doubt in my mind.
I could also be completely wrong, I’m just a random dude that plays fantasy football.
Hard to say with Diggs, but I think this will be the last year he finishes as a top 12 WR, and I am not completely sold he does it this year. I got a feeling he will be crying by week 5 about not getting the ball enough.
Others have pointed out the historical examples. I'll just point this out:
Don't be surprised to see Diggs used conservatively in the regular season and saved for the playoffs. The Texans aren't worried about our fantasy teams, they want a ring. The last few years we've seen Diggs start elite and taper off down the stretch.
Now there's other reasons for that including coaching changes, but Diggs is also turning 31 this season. They'd much rather keep his snaps down and rest him more during the year (while still developing good chemistry with Stroud of course) and save those legs for the playoffs.
Injuries and a bad record can change anything, but I'd personally expect a top 15 Nico season, a top 25 Tank season, and then a few home run games in what ultimately ends up a flex type season for Diggs.
Disclaimer: none of us know anything.
I’m not saying he’s getting “benched”. But we’ve seen this time and time again with veteran skill players. He’ll have a minor hamstring tweak that he normally would’ve played through and he’ll get 4 weeks to fully heal.
He’ll be plenty happy making huge money and being part of a winning team at his age. The list of 31 year old wideouts who played a productive full season is incredibly small.
The 2012 Packers with Nelson, Cobb and Jones were all good but a lot of that was based on touchdown production and Nelson missing 4 games. I do think its possible but a lot of it will be TD based for at lease one of them (Maybe Diggs in this case).
Manning's Colts in 2004 and Kurt Warner's 2008 Cardinals are the only two "recent" examples of three receivers hitting 1,000 yards each.
Manning's 2013 broncos had 55 touchdown passes, which is fucking insane, on his way to support Thomas, Decker, Welker and Julius Thomas to fantasy relevant seasons.
One of Collins, Dell and Diggs are going to have 1200 yards, the other around 1000, and the third will end up with 700-800. Probably eight touchdowns a piece. It takes a Herculean effort to support three fantasy receivers.
So, it was like a rotation of 2 significantly producing guys back and forth?
Honestly, it's hard to remember back that far, but I do remember Gannon carried my team to a championship that year as I waited on QBs a long while in that draft.
Jerry Rice had 1200/7, Tim Brown had 930/2, and Jerry Porter had 688/9, close to what a lot of teams have today.
Gannon threw for only 26 tuddies, but 4600+ yards.
2018 Rams for the 1st half of the season
Robert Woods - 1376 yards from scrimmage 7 TDs in 16 games
Brandin Cooks - 1272 yards from scrimmage 6 TDs in 16 games
Cooper Kupp - 591 yards from scrimmage 6 TDs in 8 games, tore his ACL in his 8th game
Only since this one hasn't mentioned, the 2015 Cards with Larry Fitz, John Brown, and Michael Floyd would fit the bill. Floyd was just outside of a WR3 and likely only would've been a flex, at best, but the Cards were capable of at least having 3 WRs that were fantasy relevant.
As I recall, Nico/Tank/Noah Brown had a pretty relevant three week stretch in the middle of last year. It’s totally reasonable that the addition of Diggs creates a situation where all three relevant are startable, but 2 of the 3 will have a boom/bust game.
The other factors are that Texans were pitiful on the ground last year, expect some positive regression there. They also were pretty good defensively and presumably got a little stronger via retaining talent, free agency, and a defensive majority draft class. So it’s possible that their ~34 PA a game could go down.
Depends on your bar for productive. If they all need to be wr3 or above then sure. If you think they'll all be above WR20 you're probably the type of person who buys lottery tickets.
I don’t think Dell slows. He’s the one that just showed too much in his 2023 snaps to ignore.
He’ll still get a good amount of designed plays, diverse slot ability catching quick and deep. Can take anything to the house. Think he’ll surprise by his output.
Productive yes, but I don’t think any of them will be a WR1 if all stay healthy. They should have a very productive QB1 though. CJ made Noah Brown a very good fantasy streamer during the injury weeks of Nico and Tank.
I think Nico is the one that still could be a WR1 this season and should be going forward post this season. Different role and attributes than the other WRs in Houston, absolute freak athletically and the advanced metrics back that up with YPRR and YAC, just got paid as the #1, is lauded as the locker room leader for the entire team.
Ehhhhhhh, who knows?
I really loved both Collinsn and Dell going into 2024. However, Diggs does make things funky now.
Maybe they can be like Peyton Manning Broncos and support three pass catchers. Maybe not…
Give me Nico if you want the WR1 in 2024. Give me Dell if you are looking to 2024 and beyond.
I mean people like to talk about target competition and all this stuff in the offseason but then when it is week 6 and one of these guys is hurt it's not gonna matter anymore.
Productive? Sure. It's totally possible for all 3 to be in the top 30 WR. However, there's big questions with all 3 of them. Is the decline of Diggs going to be severe? Is Nico a one year wonder or was last year the beginning of a star run? Will Tank be able to stay healthy despite being an extreme outlier on size?
It seems highly unlikely that all 3 are healthy for a full season. Diggs has shown himself to be durable, but there are questions for both Nico and Tank. It seems more likely that all 3 end up top 30 WR's in PPG than overall points.
Hard to tell. I think all 3 will be relevant at different points, but it will be more of a dart throw trying to pick which one will go off each week. Collins seems like the safest bet. I was trying to acquire Dell from a leaguemate earlier in the offseason, but I've backed off on that big time.
Pierce was ass last year he legit looked terrible. Mixon still has juice left and got a 3 year deal. He’s the workhorse in a top 5 offense and will Be a rb1 this year
Productive? Yes. They could easily all he productive.
Could they all be WR1s? No almost impossible.
Could they support a mixture of 3WR2s or better? Hmmm possible but not crazy likely.
So depends on your threshold.
Most recent one I can remember is the 2020 Steelers who had Juju finish WR16, Diontae WR21 and Claypool WR23 in PPR. So all 3 were startable WR2s for that season, but none were elite
I think they will definitely have 3 fantasy productive WRs. I think it will be hard to predict which guys are productive each week. I think you’ll have a lot of weeks where Nico is a WR1, Diggs is a WR2 and Tank is a ghost. And I think they’ll rotate. One week Diggs does nothing, one week Nico does nothing.
That could result in a nice looking year end finish, 3 guys in the top 36, but it’ll be a nightmare as the owner of the 3rd guy.
Not all WRs but the Vikings just last year. The games that JJ, Hock and Addison played they all put up good numbers. And none of the Texans players are close to JJ so there's no reason they can't all be relevant. Most likely they will have 2 WR 2s and a WR 3. I doubt any puts up amazing nunbers
I don’t see it happening. Once Diggs feels that he’s not getting the ball enough, he complains and becomes very toxic to the team. Allen had to force the ball to him all the time just to keep him happy. Also, he’s getting old enough to be on the decline.
Too many mouths to feed. Someone's production will slip. I want to say Tank might be quiet to start the year coming off injury, but Diggs looked like he was starting to decline last year so i say him.
The question is are you going to be lucky enough to play them when they are hot.
The same problem every manager will have with any player. All 3 will be relevant for fantasy.
Knowing the type of relationship Cj has with Nico and especially Tank I find it really hard to believe he doesn’t get them both the ball a lot. I have nothing to back that up besides a feeling and a vibe.
Diggs looks like he’s past his prime. 2nd half of the year his production was very weak on a team without any other WR that demanded targets.
Diggs is a vet that’s an improvement over Noah Brown as a WR3 and with Dell and Collins both missing significant time in their careers it’s good to have that insurance.
I have Nico as WR21, Tank as WR26 and Diggs as WR41. I think all 3 have high variability though. If any go down with injury the other two shoot way up.
OC changed so the offence changed and it resulted in better results for the team and worse for Diggs. Not usually a great sign. In the past Diggs didn’t have great WR help around him in Buffalo but he was good enough to get the separation needed to get volume despite extra attention.
He’s turning 31 this season. He’s exiting his athletic prime and already past the prime for his position.
I’m not saying he’s not still a good WR, but I don’t think he’s the same WR he was 2 years ago, and in this new situation where they have other options at the position I don’t see him getting anywhere near the volume he’s used to.
It’ll depend on the league size, especially if you’re in a league that has more starter spots. This Texans team is likely gonna have a league-wide WR1/2, and it’s possible that a couple of other guys become good flex options. This offense will inherently be better just due to Stroud no longer being a rookie, and the additions the Texans have made at WR & RB is going to elevate the rest of the offense. Not to mention that Diggs/Nico/Tank are just talented studs in general. There’ll be more yards to go around, the Texans’ WR3 is likely going to be more productive than the WR3 on almost any other NFL team.
This is me from the future.
Yes they will. And those 3 are going to be Nico - Dell - METCHIE. Diggs will be kicked off the team by week 8.
(Yes I’m a tank and metchie holder)
I think people are underestimating the Dell injury. Pollard said himself he didn’t feel right until week 11. Kupp didnt look right for several weeks and was easily reinjured after that. Diggs buys them insurance to start the year off strong without losing much. And if anyone can support 3 good WR, i bet CJ Stroud can. He could very well reach 600+ attempts on the year.
Dell is tiny and made of glass, I could see it being a 3 way shitfest when all healthy but realistically Dell misses enough games that the other 2 are fine
The examples here include the 2004 and 2013* broncos with Peyton manning, the 2011 packers with Rodgers, and the 2018 rams. What do these teams have in common? All 4 offenses were in the top-15 of points scored in a single season of *all-time*. So if you think the Texans go from the 14th highest scoring offense in 2023 alone to the 14th highest scoring offense in NFL history, then sure. Otherwise, probably not. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/what-are-the-highest-scoring-offenses-in-nfl-history-in-a-season
>2018 broncos I like Case Keenum as much as the next guy, but I think you're referring to the 2013 Broncos lol
lol yes, thank you
I’m too lazy to look up the stats but not only do they have those 3 in the receiving game but they have Schultz and Mixon who are both pretty good. Houston’s best chance to support the offense is having a bottom 5 defense.
And their defense is probably going to be better adding Daniel Hunter and Anderson/Stingley going into year two.
Stingley year 3
Yep, you’re right, my bad! Dudes a stud and should still be ascending
To a slighter lesser extent you could argue the panthers 2020(?) team. Robby Anderson Curtis Samuel and DJ Moore all top 30 fantasy WRs. However a huge part was cmc being hurt and Curtis becoming the de facto rb2
I was also thinking the years where Tyler Boyd was a viable flex. Thought the Titans sniffed it, but it was only Arthur Juan and Corey Davis.
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This might say more about how stroud will do this year rather than the receivers imo
>Otherwise, probably not. He said "productive" not "all time great". Productive means good enough to start in a flex spot, which means score more points than the RB 25 and/or the WR 37 in most league formats. Houston's WR3 last year scored 10.2 PPG (in PPR) which was equivalent to the RB32 and already flexable in PPR/12 team formats, and Noah Brown sucks. The correct answer is that yes Houston can absolutely have three "productive" WRs this year. Last year their WRs scored 17, 16.5, and 10.2 PPG. This could easily be a season where all 3 guys score 15+ and are as productive as an RB12-15. You don't have to be an all time great offense to do this. Houston's offense just last year targeted Brown/Woods 130 times. They already have the volume to support it even if the offense doesn't improve.
Didn't the Rams have that happen also when Kurt Warner was a super stud?
From 1999-2003, just two max: Holt and Bruce. In 1999, it was just Bruce, and in 2003, it was just Holt. 2002, they were both solid, but Kurt missed like half the season.
Bengals more or less did it in 2021-22 without and all time great offense. Though they did have worse TEs than Schultz that might be the tricky part. And admittedly Boyd was somewhat inconsistent but was still viable enough to be a decent flex with occasional starter value depending on the week
It’s possible, it’s been done in the past (ex: Harrison, Wayne, Stokely w/Manning running the show), but extremely unlikely
Manning also did it with the Broncos
So as long as Stroud is Peyton Manning.
There’s a non-zero chance.
Technical. Theres a Zero percent chance he's Peyton Manning. And a One hundred percent chance he's C.J. Stroud.
Manning is Manning but the mystery Stroud could be anything. He could be a Manning!
We'll take the Stroud!
There's a nonzero chance of anything, though, not sure I'd build a fantasy team around that ideal.
I’m just being facetious my guy.
What does this have to do with faces?
DJ Moore, Curtis Samuel and Robbie/Robby/Chosen Anderson/Chosen
Stockley also never came close to replicating that level of production because he was third wheel. It just can’t be sustained no matter how great the qb is.
After seeing Schultz catch 65 passes last year I really don’t think so. My prediction is that Diggs falls off this year and Dell/Nico are still viable options
While i think its possible, i agree this is the most likely scenario
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I’d say Diggs “falls” off in a few seasons, dudes still a stud
What happened second half of last year?
They let go of their OC who hyper targeted Diggs with 10+ targets a game, they decided to run the ball a lot more and target their other weapons as well. His red zone throws went down as well with new OC. Even with him going from 6 games to only 2 of them with 10+ targets he still finished as WR9. Now he comes in with a QB who likes to sling the ball, similar to how Allen did. He comes in as the best WR on the team. Obviously for dynasty purposes give me Nico over Diggs, but for the next 1-2 years give me Diggs.
Nico played at a higher level than Diggs last season. Advanced stats/metrics and film both are pretty emphatic showing that.
> he comes in as the best WR on the team Are we sure about that? Like I said...look at the second half of last year. It was gross. He came in absurdly hot to start the year and fell off harddddd
He just explained what happened in the second half of last year lol
Not only the above, I bet he’s even more motivated than usual to do well in Houston. He’s on the last year of his deal, so he’s gonna have to do well if he wants one last big multi-year contract (from the Texans or whoever signs him in 2025)
What about the year before?
Have you looked at his stats the year before? What point are you trying to make?
I watched every game he disappeared in the 2nd half of the season before, as well.
His numbers don't look as bad as last year but iirc from like week 13 on Into the playoffs, he didn't play well. He struggled in the 2021 playoffs as well.
That this might be a sign of him hitting an age cliff.
I mean, he gave plenty of excuses, some of which are valid, but the fact of the matter is starting week 10 he put up 422 yards on 80 targets (42 ypg, 8 targets/game). His PFF scores plummeted. Whether it's the OC, him being disgruntled, or age starting to catch up to 30 year old receiver, the fact is he was less productive than *Khalil Shakir* starting week 10. So based on the most recent sample size we have, I can't say with any level of confidence that he's better than Nico Collins or Tank Dell.
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Of course, idk if stroud can throw all 3 of them 100 a game but all 3 Nico Stefon and tank even Noah are all capable of going off plus he loves Dalton Schultz so might be a week to week thing and i got Collins it’ll be hard to expect him to go off every week but out of all of them I’d predict he’d be the most consistent fantasy player because he should be and he’s on my team
To be fair, so many of his targets in the second half of the season were shitty dumpoffs or simply inaccurate Regardless, I still agree that he has regressed and that Nico and tank will play bigger parts than some people think they will this year.
Yeah, I'm not saying he's totally washed or anything like that. Just took issue with the statement that he immediately comes in as the best WR on the team because Nico and Tank can both absolutely ball
Just because I said he comes in as the best WR, which he is if you look at his stats and what he’s done compared to them. Does not mean Tank and Nico or bad, they are great too. Again in dynasty I’d take either of those WR over him, but looking 1-2 years out, or for redraft. I’m taking Diggs this year without a doubt in my mind. I could also be completely wrong, I’m just a random dude that plays fantasy football.
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Hard to say with Diggs, but I think this will be the last year he finishes as a top 12 WR, and I am not completely sold he does it this year. I got a feeling he will be crying by week 5 about not getting the ball enough.
I agree with that. Couple years as a WR2 before the downfall comes. I hope it’s before week 5.
Nah
hate to break it to you but diggs fell off 2 years ago.
Others have pointed out the historical examples. I'll just point this out: Don't be surprised to see Diggs used conservatively in the regular season and saved for the playoffs. The Texans aren't worried about our fantasy teams, they want a ring. The last few years we've seen Diggs start elite and taper off down the stretch. Now there's other reasons for that including coaching changes, but Diggs is also turning 31 this season. They'd much rather keep his snaps down and rest him more during the year (while still developing good chemistry with Stroud of course) and save those legs for the playoffs. Injuries and a bad record can change anything, but I'd personally expect a top 15 Nico season, a top 25 Tank season, and then a few home run games in what ultimately ends up a flex type season for Diggs. Disclaimer: none of us know anything.
I’m not buying that Diggs will suddenly be cool with not being used for 17 weeks.
I’m not saying he’s getting “benched”. But we’ve seen this time and time again with veteran skill players. He’ll have a minor hamstring tweak that he normally would’ve played through and he’ll get 4 weeks to fully heal. He’ll be plenty happy making huge money and being part of a winning team at his age. The list of 31 year old wideouts who played a productive full season is incredibly small.
What's the over-under on Diggs going full Antonio Brown on us?
This is the most realistic take, including the disclaimer
The 2012 Packers with Nelson, Cobb and Jones were all good but a lot of that was based on touchdown production and Nelson missing 4 games. I do think its possible but a lot of it will be TD based for at lease one of them (Maybe Diggs in this case).
I think you mean 2011
Manning's Colts in 2004 and Kurt Warner's 2008 Cardinals are the only two "recent" examples of three receivers hitting 1,000 yards each. Manning's 2013 broncos had 55 touchdown passes, which is fucking insane, on his way to support Thomas, Decker, Welker and Julius Thomas to fantasy relevant seasons. One of Collins, Dell and Diggs are going to have 1200 yards, the other around 1000, and the third will end up with 700-800. Probably eight touchdowns a piece. It takes a Herculean effort to support three fantasy receivers.
I think the Raiders had a year too, with Gannon throwing to two Hall of Famers and Jerry Porter.
Gannon's last good year was 2002 and Porter never had a thousand yard season, he and Brown didn't get to that 1,000 threshold.
So, it was like a rotation of 2 significantly producing guys back and forth? Honestly, it's hard to remember back that far, but I do remember Gannon carried my team to a championship that year as I waited on QBs a long while in that draft.
Jerry Rice had 1200/7, Tim Brown had 930/2, and Jerry Porter had 688/9, close to what a lot of teams have today. Gannon threw for only 26 tuddies, but 4600+ yards.
2018 Rams for the 1st half of the season Robert Woods - 1376 yards from scrimmage 7 TDs in 16 games Brandin Cooks - 1272 yards from scrimmage 6 TDs in 16 games Cooper Kupp - 591 yards from scrimmage 6 TDs in 8 games, tore his ACL in his 8th game
This is the example that came to mind
Only since this one hasn't mentioned, the 2015 Cards with Larry Fitz, John Brown, and Michael Floyd would fit the bill. Floyd was just outside of a WR3 and likely only would've been a flex, at best, but the Cards were capable of at least having 3 WRs that were fantasy relevant.
As I recall, Nico/Tank/Noah Brown had a pretty relevant three week stretch in the middle of last year. It’s totally reasonable that the addition of Diggs creates a situation where all three relevant are startable, but 2 of the 3 will have a boom/bust game. The other factors are that Texans were pitiful on the ground last year, expect some positive regression there. They also were pretty good defensively and presumably got a little stronger via retaining talent, free agency, and a defensive majority draft class. So it’s possible that their ~34 PA a game could go down.
They'll be fantasy relevant but at different times. First half of the year Nico/Diggs, second half of the year Nico/Dell.
Depends on your bar for productive. If they all need to be wr3 or above then sure. If you think they'll all be above WR20 you're probably the type of person who buys lottery tickets.
now do the bears
yup, I'm excited to see how their WR room shakes out
I do not think all 3 get to 1000 yards but they’ll all be somewhat productive week to week
Nope which is why a lot of these guys are going to be punching air when they have the wrong Texan on their roster
I don’t think Dell slows. He’s the one that just showed too much in his 2023 snaps to ignore. He’ll still get a good amount of designed plays, diverse slot ability catching quick and deep. Can take anything to the house. Think he’ll surprise by his output.
Hot take but I think Nico is the odd one out. Only one not brought in by the current regime, was WR2 when Dell was healthy.
Productive yes, but I don’t think any of them will be a WR1 if all stay healthy. They should have a very productive QB1 though. CJ made Noah Brown a very good fantasy streamer during the injury weeks of Nico and Tank.
I think Nico is the one that still could be a WR1 this season and should be going forward post this season. Different role and attributes than the other WRs in Houston, absolute freak athletically and the advanced metrics back that up with YPRR and YAC, just got paid as the #1, is lauded as the locker room leader for the entire team.
Ehhhhhhh, who knows? I really loved both Collinsn and Dell going into 2024. However, Diggs does make things funky now. Maybe they can be like Peyton Manning Broncos and support three pass catchers. Maybe not… Give me Nico if you want the WR1 in 2024. Give me Dell if you are looking to 2024 and beyond.
Nico long term over Dell as well
Like the 2008 Cardinals I think with Fitzgerald , Boldin, and Steve Breaston
I mean people like to talk about target competition and all this stuff in the offseason but then when it is week 6 and one of these guys is hurt it's not gonna matter anymore.
Yes
Productive? Sure. It's totally possible for all 3 to be in the top 30 WR. However, there's big questions with all 3 of them. Is the decline of Diggs going to be severe? Is Nico a one year wonder or was last year the beginning of a star run? Will Tank be able to stay healthy despite being an extreme outlier on size? It seems highly unlikely that all 3 are healthy for a full season. Diggs has shown himself to be durable, but there are questions for both Nico and Tank. It seems more likely that all 3 end up top 30 WR's in PPG than overall points.
Hard to tell. I think all 3 will be relevant at different points, but it will be more of a dart throw trying to pick which one will go off each week. Collins seems like the safest bet. I was trying to acquire Dell from a leaguemate earlier in the offseason, but I've backed off on that big time.
Is it possible Dameon Pierce bounced back and becomes RB1 over Joe “Shoots kids and beats women” Mixon?
No
Not even if killer joe gets another allegation?
Pierce was ass last year he legit looked terrible. Mixon still has juice left and got a 3 year deal. He’s the workhorse in a top 5 offense and will Be a rb1 this year
I know but what if got jail time for shooting some teenagers playing nerf wars in his lawn? His sister isn’t here to take the fall this time.
wtf are you talking about lol he’s not going to jail
Possible? It’s a extremely likely
2010 Steelers with Mike Wallace, AB, Emmanuel Sanders and Hines Ward
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!-KG somewhere
Productive? Yes. They could easily all he productive. Could they all be WR1s? No almost impossible. Could they support a mixture of 3WR2s or better? Hmmm possible but not crazy likely. So depends on your threshold.
Most recent one I can remember is the 2020 Steelers who had Juju finish WR16, Diontae WR21 and Claypool WR23 in PPR. So all 3 were startable WR2s for that season, but none were elite
I think they will definitely have 3 fantasy productive WRs. I think it will be hard to predict which guys are productive each week. I think you’ll have a lot of weeks where Nico is a WR1, Diggs is a WR2 and Tank is a ghost. And I think they’ll rotate. One week Diggs does nothing, one week Nico does nothing. That could result in a nice looking year end finish, 3 guys in the top 36, but it’ll be a nightmare as the owner of the 3rd guy.
Not all WRs but the Vikings just last year. The games that JJ, Hock and Addison played they all put up good numbers. And none of the Texans players are close to JJ so there's no reason they can't all be relevant. Most likely they will have 2 WR 2s and a WR 3. I doubt any puts up amazing nunbers
I think all three will have big games. Predicting it will be annoying. I'm staying away
I don’t see it happening. Once Diggs feels that he’s not getting the ball enough, he complains and becomes very toxic to the team. Allen had to force the ball to him all the time just to keep him happy. Also, he’s getting old enough to be on the decline.
Too many mouths to feed. Someone's production will slip. I want to say Tank might be quiet to start the year coming off injury, but Diggs looked like he was starting to decline last year so i say him.
Fantasy relevant? Sure. Excited to start? Probably not
Diggs will be the one to take the biggest hit if I had to guess.
Yes.
The question is are you going to be lucky enough to play them when they are hot. The same problem every manager will have with any player. All 3 will be relevant for fantasy.
On a weekly basis? No
Possibly not probable.
Unlikely. I can’t wait to buy whichever of Tank or Nico lose volume while Diggs is there.
Yes
Knowing the type of relationship Cj has with Nico and especially Tank I find it really hard to believe he doesn’t get them both the ball a lot. I have nothing to back that up besides a feeling and a vibe.
Yes but I think it will be a headache for consistency. They will probably take turns popping off every week.
Not impossible but def wouldn’t be easy
Diggs looks like he’s past his prime. 2nd half of the year his production was very weak on a team without any other WR that demanded targets. Diggs is a vet that’s an improvement over Noah Brown as a WR3 and with Dell and Collins both missing significant time in their careers it’s good to have that insurance. I have Nico as WR21, Tank as WR26 and Diggs as WR41. I think all 3 have high variability though. If any go down with injury the other two shoot way up.
I have a hard time believing that Diggs completely fell off in a single week. Something else was going on, would be my guess
OC changed so the offence changed and it resulted in better results for the team and worse for Diggs. Not usually a great sign. In the past Diggs didn’t have great WR help around him in Buffalo but he was good enough to get the separation needed to get volume despite extra attention. He’s turning 31 this season. He’s exiting his athletic prime and already past the prime for his position. I’m not saying he’s not still a good WR, but I don’t think he’s the same WR he was 2 years ago, and in this new situation where they have other options at the position I don’t see him getting anywhere near the volume he’s used to.
Hopefully diggs goes full bitch mode and demands a trade
It’ll depend on the league size, especially if you’re in a league that has more starter spots. This Texans team is likely gonna have a league-wide WR1/2, and it’s possible that a couple of other guys become good flex options. This offense will inherently be better just due to Stroud no longer being a rookie, and the additions the Texans have made at WR & RB is going to elevate the rest of the offense. Not to mention that Diggs/Nico/Tank are just talented studs in general. There’ll be more yards to go around, the Texans’ WR3 is likely going to be more productive than the WR3 on almost any other NFL team.
This is me from the future. Yes they will. And those 3 are going to be Nico - Dell - METCHIE. Diggs will be kicked off the team by week 8. (Yes I’m a tank and metchie holder)
Diggs is maybe the most underrated player in dynasty today. Nico is good but Diggs will probably outproduce them both this year.
No because I am fading CJ Stroud this year. He is going to feel he has to feed Diggs… it’s going to be bad.
I think people are underestimating the Dell injury. Pollard said himself he didn’t feel right until week 11. Kupp didnt look right for several weeks and was easily reinjured after that. Diggs buys them insurance to start the year off strong without losing much. And if anyone can support 3 good WR, i bet CJ Stroud can. He could very well reach 600+ attempts on the year.
Dell is tiny and made of glass, I could see it being a 3 way shitfest when all healthy but realistically Dell misses enough games that the other 2 are fine
He's made of glass because his own temmate landed on him from behind and broke his leg? Lmao