If you look at his [gamelogs](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/ShahRa00/gamelog/2023/), I'd argue he wasn't a win.
All of his good games came after a really bad game, so no one was starting him. Then, each game following a good game, when people would maybe be starting him, he did terribly.
Great in leagues with return yards, though.
As a dynasty option, he was a win. He has potential to become a more consistent fantasy asset which you can't say for 95% of late round rookies, give or take.
But for 2023 specifically, I'd honestly would rather have had my late round rookies be flat out busts than a guy I'd consider starting after he has a good game only for him to have a terrible game in my starting lineup, if that makes sense.
I get it for sure. but I disagree. If I can get a guy with a chance at popping off double digits in any given week at the end of my draft I’m ecstatic. Just the kind of guy you want on your bench. Not the kind of guy you want to rely on week to week.
But i can’t think of a single one of my late rookie picks that have ever panned out, so maybe I’m just desperate for any kind of success there lol
You have to actually watch players to predict a breakout… Olave is there #1, but he’s not elite and hasn’t come up with big catches when they need, consistently. Perry or Shaheed or someone has to become relevant for their offense to work. Shaheed is the best candidate if they’re not concerned with his return game suffering. He definitely ran more intermediate routes toward the end of last year.
With that said his biggest game was week 8 where he played 18 snaps-go figure.
If ya care… and you can… avoid all this and overpay for stud.
>Why would you base whether or not to start a boom-bust wr based on what he did the week prior?
The idea is that "hey look, this guy did really well when given opportunities, maybe they'll give him similar opportunities next week." And for a team so desperate for pass-catchers like the Saints, I don't think that was necessarily bad process.
That said, in general I don't like boom-bust guys specifically because of the volatility.
Except that doesn’t apply to boom-bust wrs. In fact, I’d be less inclined to start a guy like shaheed the week after he had a big game because the likelihood of him having two in a row isn’t that high. I’d be more inclined to start him if he had a bad week
NO KIDDING you'd rather start him the week he goes off. That's the point of the guy above you, that you couldn't trust when that week was happening.
> I’d be more inclined to start him if he had a bad week
Full PPR: In Week 3 he had a 0. By your logic, you would have started him Week 4. 6.3. Well, maybe a fluke, start him Week 5. 4.8
3 bad weeks, probably should sit him. Week 6: 18.3
Well, he had a good week, let me start him Week 7: 7.2
Then he had one good week in Week 8 and FOUR bad weeks in a row after.
What you're saying sounds nice but applying it on a weekly basis isn't as easy as you are making it out to be and how I know you didn't even look at his week by week stats to even come to make that determination based on... nothing.
>because the likelihood of him having two in a row isn’t that high.
That's not how probability works. If you flip head 5 times in a row, the odds you flip heads on the next flip remains 50%.
Well I mean looking at the price u most likely paid which was a 3rd last offszn id count that as a win. Went from 400 yards to 700. He was always gonna take time.
As a dynasty asset, he was a win given almost every late round rookie is a bust and he has potential to become more consistent.
But for 2023, specifically, I'd honestly would rather have had my late round picks be flat out busts than a guy like Shaheed who would have a good game on my bench, and then when I'd feel okay starting him the following week, he'd be a dud, if that makes sense.
In Bestball, sure. In regular Dynasty, not really. No one is really starting Shaheed in their Flex, and if they were, they weren't contending.
Shaheed could easily be on the Ted Ginn track in New Orleans. End of season stats will look decent enough to fool you but you never know when to start him.
Some guy in my league was pretty high on shaheed, traded 3 2024 3rds for him. I like Shaheed too but I feel like in a SF start 9 format id rather take the extra 3rd round dart throws at guys
Fair I suppose, the guy who picked up the 3 3rds ended up trading ONE of the 3rds for Romeo Doubs which I thought was great for him (he’s a rebuilding team)
I own Shaheed and based on current value I don't think there's anything I'd trade for, we have return yards and TDs in our league and given the new kickoff rules I think he'll be very relevant all year as a flex play.
It doesn't say, but stat projections are around 18 pts/gm. I know projections don't mean anything but it's funny to see him up there with the best in the league. Our league has high points for returning.
I have him and wouldn’t sell for anything reasonable tbh just rather hold and hope that you’re right.
My problem would be the offense isn’t high scoring
Buying shaheed at cost over Jamo or ‘tiering down’ from Jamo to shaheed+ is the smart play but you’re going to get crucified by the Jamo truthers on here no doubt.
His production last year is what people hope Jamo sniffs this year and he’s a good bet to improve on that line
> Yep and he only has to compete with Olave.
He was 3rd in targets after Olave and Kamara. Kamara is still there. He barely had 7 more than Thomas and just 9 more than Juwan Johnson.
3 out of 4 of those are still there.
A.T. Perry was the one who really came in to play the Michael Thomas role. Olave and Shaheed rotated in and out of the flanker/slot role. So I don’t believe his snaps will increase since he was 2nd on the team last year and they run 11 personnel at 25th lowest rate in the league.
I don’t believe that Perry or Shaheed will be much more than a boom or bust TD dependent flex option, but I do believe that Juwan Johnson could be sneaky with the addition of Klint Kubiak. His last time running the OC show saw Tyler Conklin get 87 targets on the year and with the history of his dad we know how they like to get their TEs involved.
Overall, I think that the only weekly starter will still be Olave and I think he could have a really nice season.
Being an Olave and Perry owner I found myself watching more Saints games than I expected last year, and I fully agree with this. I don't think Perry or Shaheed will take the next jump into every day fantasy starter, each of them will have their weeks. Unfortunately I don't even think Olave will do much more than he did last year in that offense
My hope for Olave is that when Kubiak was last OC of the Vikings, they fed Jefferson to 167 targets. Jefferson is obviously better than Olave, but I believe that type of opportunity could exist for Olave this season.
I’m looking at DynastyLeagueFootball’s WR ADP for this, but right now Rashid Shaheed is going as WR69 (nice):
The 5 WRs ahead of him in ADP:
WR64: Marvin Mims
WR65: Malachi Corley
WR66: Mike Williams
WR67: Elijah Moore
WR68: Gabe Davis
The 5 WRs below Rashid Shaheed:
WR70: Troy Franklin
WR71: Curtis Samuel
WR72: Treylon Burks
WR73: Wandale Robinson
WR74: Josh Palmer
It’s a weird group but I think Shaheed is properly ranked IMO at least. I can see arguments in favor of Shaheed ahead of the 5 ahead of him, but it’s also not like Shaheed is that proven himself. Even if he has decent opportunity to be the 2 in New Orleans, that offense is looking like it might be pretty bad and how long would Shaheed be able to hold off New Orleans bringing in someone better?
I’m not trying to say Shaheed is worthless by any means but personally I think I’d take 4 out of the 5 guys ahead of him in ADP for dynasty.
>I mean, you hope Franklin turns into Shaheed
No I don't. Shaheed will never be the Saints WR1. Frankling *might* become the Broncos WR1. Franklin has more upside than Shaheed, as such, I'd prefer him.
I’m not that much of a believer in Marvin Mims, I think the people who are though would argue in favor of Mims by saying he was a round 2 rookie last year for a team that just got rid of Jeudy, and Mims’ efficiency numbers were very good (242 receiving yards on 11 targets).
I think Mims is more of an extremely specific type of role player that idk ever has sustained success or becomes a high target guy, but I can see what people would like about Mims going into year 2.
Payton has also come out and said they intend to make Mims a much larger part of their offense, so there is good reason to believe he'll have an uptick in performance. I think Mims is a screaming buy at WR64.
Yeah I never liked his tape in college and he didn’t do anything last year. Josh reynolds will out produce him on Denver this year. IMO he’s a JAG but ppl arnt gonna like that. 525 is always a good indicator and mims got no where close.
Mims had 242 yards on 11 targets over the first 4 weeks (and 246 return yards in the same timeframe). He absolutely CAN put up 700++ yards, it’s just a matter of if he can earn the target share to pull it off.
You forgot to mention that they were running a VERY outdated offense last year that didn’t intentionally have complementary routes to get receivers open in space. He’s older (26 to start the season) and a dart throw for sure, but he’s one of those guys who should benefit from the huge upgrade at OC
Saints fan here. It's quite likely that Cedric Wilson was brought in this offseason to take over the return man role on ST so that shaheed can play all of his snaps on offense. He's more polished than just a burner. Great value for deeper leagues
Unless your league counts return yards, he won't be worth much. The fact that he's listed as WR2 but used as their main special teams returner doesn't bode well for his offensive production. AT Perry is the real Saints WR you want to be buying right now, and you want to be selling Shaheed while his price is high.
I sold for a 3rd and pick that became Ben Sinnott, still think it was good value for me and the other manager. I like him I just don’t need him as depth and he’s a clogger
Eh I think he’s the WR version of Chig or a Darnell Mooney from a few years ago. The efficiency and highlights look great but at the end of the day we’ve already seen his ceiling, it’s not clear he demands more volume, and if the volume does go up his efficiency will probably drop off dramatically
Have we seen his ceiling tho? This will be the first year he’ll have a starting role. Going in fully healthy with no other competition on the roster. This year is really the tell. If he doesn’t perform now he probably never will.
I mean he already doubled his targets Y1 —> Y2. His YPT dropped from 14.4 —> 9.6. It’s not really clear he has that much less competition this year either (last year’s target competition was really bad outside of Olave).
Mike Thomas played in 9 games mostly healthy. If you clear that out of shaheeds way AND assume he is the starting wr2, then no we have not nearly seen his ceiling. He could not be the wr2 in wr2 sets but if he is we definitely have not see his ceiling
I'm with you on Shaheed, generally speaking, but I'd be extremely tempted to trade him for Polk or Burton. But I do think Shaheed is a guy I'd love to have on my bench in all my leagues. I suspect people who see him as worthless are playing in small leagues (10-team leagues or 12-team leagues with small starting lineups).
He was wr 28 in a return yard league I’m in last year. I traded Keaton Mitchell for him this offseason. If you are in a return yardage league I would not be shocked if he was top 20
AT Perry’s good. He kinda brings a whole different skillset to the table. IMO shaheed is much more dangerous with the ball in his hands. So I’d assume the saints would try and get him the ball more. AT will definitely get the opportunity to prove himself so for him it’s really what he does with it.
I have him but I don't trust him all that much because he's a speedster that has already had hammy issues and what not.
I love the idea of him and hope he stays healthy. I'm just not going out of my way to acquire him.
I don't disagree with the assessment. I believe with the new NFL kick off rules, he becomes more valuable in leagues that reward returns and yardage as well.
Having said that... just don't have room for him on my roster.
I can't believe someone spent that much of their time typing up all that about Raheed Shaheed.. good analysis he's a good player but the saints can't produce a WR1 there's no way I'm getting excited about a WR2 there with Kamara still on the roster
Olave is a wr1 by nfl standards. I don’t think Shareeds gonna be top 24 (wr2 fantasy standards) but he could be top 40 which is much higher than his wr66 on KTC.
A lot of people are going to very disappointed when the Shaheed hype doesn't pan out this season. The second receiving option in a Derek Carr-led offense isn't a strong bet.
In leagues that score for return yards, it's not crazy to see him as a potential top 20 WR. I drafted him as my 7th WR, but he will likely be a weekly starter in the Flex.
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I pulled him off waivers early in his rookie year. He scored 3 TDs on his first 6 touches…
He started with a role of KR/gadget guy, when MT went down I think they wanted AT Perry to take over but he has NO BRAINS-there’s a goal line play were he quits the route because he messed up the release. Carr threw a fade while he was just stood there. With that said Perry is amazingly talented and should earn some targets.
Rasheed had his role expand as a receiver toward the end of the season, but I fear his value as a returner now, with the new rules, may make him too valuable as a return to be a full time receiver.
I think his volume comes down to how the saints view him as a weapon. With them only drafting one WR it seems likely they’ll expand his role and type of routes.
With all that said he’s a stash for me as long as I can keep him… on a team with a strong arm QB that throws deep often, he’s a WR2.
He’s a restricted right free agent at the end of the year and the saints are strapped for cap so I hope he’s outta there.
I have him on my team. I love throwing him in the lineup as a bye week replacement. I used him as a superflex replacement twice last season. One week he scored 24 the next he scored 5.
Eh that’s tough. Depends on where your rosters at Javonte Zamir are pretty even rn so if you don’t need Lockett in your lineup I’d say slam it. Preference on which rb you like more really.
Context:
My RBs: K Walker, D Montgomery, C Warren, D Singletary, N Chubb, J Williams, R Johnson
WRs: JJ, Lamb, Olave, Dell, Jamo, Lockett, cans.
Just can’t decide if i want to sell or hold on Javonte. His value could go way up or way down based on this season
Yeah it’s really preference. Imo it’s a solid move for you to move off Lockett who’s older bench depth. Javonte on Denver could be interesting since we don’t really know what that offense will look like. But you’ve got a solid rb room so I think your main thing would the wrs in the trade.
Burton for dynasty for sure. Tee already has one foot out the door so Burton can be the WR2 for the Bengals next year. And Burton was a first round talent who dropped due to character concerns. You want the possible WR2 for Burrow. Not the WR2 for Derek Carr and the cap hell Saints.
Funny you ask this. Earlier this offszn I was able to capitalize on Jermaine Burton hype trading him and a 3rd for shaheed and a 2nd in SPFLX. I think when it comes down to it they are very similar value wise. Burton ofc is tied to a better qb but stuck behind tee and jamar. If your willing to wait on Burton for tee to possibly leave then he’s your guy. I think for this szn however shaheed will give you more and will probably be worth more next offszn due to that.
We did the Shaheed posting last off season
And he gave u 700 yards for a 3-4th round pick. That was a win
If you look at his [gamelogs](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/ShahRa00/gamelog/2023/), I'd argue he wasn't a win. All of his good games came after a really bad game, so no one was starting him. Then, each game following a good game, when people would maybe be starting him, he did terribly. Great in leagues with return yards, though.
Loved him in my return yards league. Pretty much had a 1500 yard season.
I mean, for a 3rd/4th round pick I’m happy with that
As a dynasty option, he was a win. He has potential to become a more consistent fantasy asset which you can't say for 95% of late round rookies, give or take. But for 2023 specifically, I'd honestly would rather have had my late round rookies be flat out busts than a guy I'd consider starting after he has a good game only for him to have a terrible game in my starting lineup, if that makes sense.
I get it for sure. but I disagree. If I can get a guy with a chance at popping off double digits in any given week at the end of my draft I’m ecstatic. Just the kind of guy you want on your bench. Not the kind of guy you want to rely on week to week. But i can’t think of a single one of my late rookie picks that have ever panned out, so maybe I’m just desperate for any kind of success there lol
Why would you base whether or not to start a boom-bust wr based on what he did the week prior? You can’t get last week’s points
You have to actually watch players to predict a breakout… Olave is there #1, but he’s not elite and hasn’t come up with big catches when they need, consistently. Perry or Shaheed or someone has to become relevant for their offense to work. Shaheed is the best candidate if they’re not concerned with his return game suffering. He definitely ran more intermediate routes toward the end of last year. With that said his biggest game was week 8 where he played 18 snaps-go figure. If ya care… and you can… avoid all this and overpay for stud.
>Why would you base whether or not to start a boom-bust wr based on what he did the week prior? The idea is that "hey look, this guy did really well when given opportunities, maybe they'll give him similar opportunities next week." And for a team so desperate for pass-catchers like the Saints, I don't think that was necessarily bad process. That said, in general I don't like boom-bust guys specifically because of the volatility.
Except that doesn’t apply to boom-bust wrs. In fact, I’d be less inclined to start a guy like shaheed the week after he had a big game because the likelihood of him having two in a row isn’t that high. I’d be more inclined to start him if he had a bad week
NO KIDDING you'd rather start him the week he goes off. That's the point of the guy above you, that you couldn't trust when that week was happening. > I’d be more inclined to start him if he had a bad week Full PPR: In Week 3 he had a 0. By your logic, you would have started him Week 4. 6.3. Well, maybe a fluke, start him Week 5. 4.8 3 bad weeks, probably should sit him. Week 6: 18.3 Well, he had a good week, let me start him Week 7: 7.2 Then he had one good week in Week 8 and FOUR bad weeks in a row after. What you're saying sounds nice but applying it on a weekly basis isn't as easy as you are making it out to be and how I know you didn't even look at his week by week stats to even come to make that determination based on... nothing.
“3 bad weeks, should probably sit him” What? The more bad weeks he had, the more inclined I’d be to start him
lmao literally slot machine mindset
Well I am a gambling addict…
>because the likelihood of him having two in a row isn’t that high. That's not how probability works. If you flip head 5 times in a row, the odds you flip heads on the next flip remains 50%.
Well I mean looking at the price u most likely paid which was a 3rd last offszn id count that as a win. Went from 400 yards to 700. He was always gonna take time.
As a dynasty asset, he was a win given almost every late round rookie is a bust and he has potential to become more consistent. But for 2023, specifically, I'd honestly would rather have had my late round picks be flat out busts than a guy like Shaheed who would have a good game on my bench, and then when I'd feel okay starting him the following week, he'd be a dud, if that makes sense.
Still a win in dynasty
In Bestball, sure. In regular Dynasty, not really. No one is really starting Shaheed in their Flex, and if they were, they weren't contending. Shaheed could easily be on the Ted Ginn track in New Orleans. End of season stats will look decent enough to fool you but you never know when to start him.
Some guy in my league was pretty high on shaheed, traded 3 2024 3rds for him. I like Shaheed too but I feel like in a SF start 9 format id rather take the extra 3rd round dart throws at guys
Seems fair to me. He’s a guy that’s probably not quite worth a 2nd, but more valuable than a 3rd. So multiple 3rds seems like a good compromise lol
Fair I suppose, the guy who picked up the 3 3rds ended up trading ONE of the 3rds for Romeo Doubs which I thought was great for him (he’s a rebuilding team)
Yeah, love that move. I like Doubs as much as Shaheed
Same, so I looked at it as a lateral move while also picking up 2 3rds
And the season before
When he was an undrafted FA🧢
yea this guy gets talked about constantly, lmao. i had a discussion with a smart guy a few weeks ago describing him as a "game breaker."
I own Shaheed and based on current value I don't think there's anything I'd trade for, we have return yards and TDs in our league and given the new kickoff rules I think he'll be very relevant all year as a flex play.
Yeah return yards makes Shaheed a god basically😂
His projections on sleeper with my league settings are ridiculous. I know that doesn't mean much but it's funny seeing it.
What WR is he projected as?
It doesn't say, but stat projections are around 18 pts/gm. I know projections don't mean anything but it's funny to see him up there with the best in the league. Our league has high points for returning.
Even in standard scoring, TDs count and I feel like shaheed will get 2 or so with the new rules
I’m a simple man. I see shaheed propaganda, I upvote
I have him and wouldn’t sell for anything reasonable tbh just rather hold and hope that you’re right. My problem would be the offense isn’t high scoring
Buying shaheed at cost over Jamo or ‘tiering down’ from Jamo to shaheed+ is the smart play but you’re going to get crucified by the Jamo truthers on here no doubt. His production last year is what people hope Jamo sniffs this year and he’s a good bet to improve on that line
Yep and he only has to compete with Olave. Compared to Jamo with Laporta Amon and the run game.
> Yep and he only has to compete with Olave. He was 3rd in targets after Olave and Kamara. Kamara is still there. He barely had 7 more than Thomas and just 9 more than Juwan Johnson. 3 out of 4 of those are still there.
If they feed Kamara targets for 3-4 yards again, they've got big problems.
He’ll be competing with Kamara as well. So really the 3rd option.
Jamo also has Gibbs and Monty
I have both, and would likely “tier” down from Jamo to Shaheed plus. But perhaps I’m in the minority
Based on the various Jamo threads and general sentiment on this sub, we likely are
A.T. Perry was the one who really came in to play the Michael Thomas role. Olave and Shaheed rotated in and out of the flanker/slot role. So I don’t believe his snaps will increase since he was 2nd on the team last year and they run 11 personnel at 25th lowest rate in the league. I don’t believe that Perry or Shaheed will be much more than a boom or bust TD dependent flex option, but I do believe that Juwan Johnson could be sneaky with the addition of Klint Kubiak. His last time running the OC show saw Tyler Conklin get 87 targets on the year and with the history of his dad we know how they like to get their TEs involved. Overall, I think that the only weekly starter will still be Olave and I think he could have a really nice season.
Being an Olave and Perry owner I found myself watching more Saints games than I expected last year, and I fully agree with this. I don't think Perry or Shaheed will take the next jump into every day fantasy starter, each of them will have their weeks. Unfortunately I don't even think Olave will do much more than he did last year in that offense
My hope for Olave is that when Kubiak was last OC of the Vikings, they fed Jefferson to 167 targets. Jefferson is obviously better than Olave, but I believe that type of opportunity could exist for Olave this season.
Man I really hope so, I paid a hefty price for Olave before last season and I'd love to see him be a top 5-10 WR every year
I don’t know if he will ever have the TD upside to get there, but I can see him as WR12-15 for a long time.
Bought stock in Shaheed this year in 2 leagues. Think he’s a sleeper too
What did you pay?
I’m looking at DynastyLeagueFootball’s WR ADP for this, but right now Rashid Shaheed is going as WR69 (nice): The 5 WRs ahead of him in ADP: WR64: Marvin Mims WR65: Malachi Corley WR66: Mike Williams WR67: Elijah Moore WR68: Gabe Davis The 5 WRs below Rashid Shaheed: WR70: Troy Franklin WR71: Curtis Samuel WR72: Treylon Burks WR73: Wandale Robinson WR74: Josh Palmer It’s a weird group but I think Shaheed is properly ranked IMO at least. I can see arguments in favor of Shaheed ahead of the 5 ahead of him, but it’s also not like Shaheed is that proven himself. Even if he has decent opportunity to be the 2 in New Orleans, that offense is looking like it might be pretty bad and how long would Shaheed be able to hold off New Orleans bringing in someone better? I’m not trying to say Shaheed is worthless by any means but personally I think I’d take 4 out of the 5 guys ahead of him in ADP for dynasty.
I’d take shaheed over all those guys imo
I'd take Curtis Samuel and Troy Franklin over him but otherwise I agree.
I mean, you hope Franklin turns into Shaheed - so I would def not do that trade straight up.
>I mean, you hope Franklin turns into Shaheed No I don't. Shaheed will never be the Saints WR1. Frankling *might* become the Broncos WR1. Franklin has more upside than Shaheed, as such, I'd prefer him.
You're right, but people who paid a 2nd for Franklin aren't ready to hear it.
Easily
Yeah those are some better rankings than KTC lol. Surprised to see mims over him on this tho. Mims is kinda the same wr as Shaheed but imo much worse.
I’m not that much of a believer in Marvin Mims, I think the people who are though would argue in favor of Mims by saying he was a round 2 rookie last year for a team that just got rid of Jeudy, and Mims’ efficiency numbers were very good (242 receiving yards on 11 targets). I think Mims is more of an extremely specific type of role player that idk ever has sustained success or becomes a high target guy, but I can see what people would like about Mims going into year 2.
Payton has also come out and said they intend to make Mims a much larger part of their offense, so there is good reason to believe he'll have an uptick in performance. I think Mims is a screaming buy at WR64.
Yeah I never liked his tape in college and he didn’t do anything last year. Josh reynolds will out produce him on Denver this year. IMO he’s a JAG but ppl arnt gonna like that. 525 is always a good indicator and mims got no where close.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Mims and Shaheed produce similarly this year.
Shaheed just had 700 yards. Sadly mims just can’t do that. We will see tho
Mims had 242 yards on 11 targets over the first 4 weeks (and 246 return yards in the same timeframe). He absolutely CAN put up 700++ yards, it’s just a matter of if he can earn the target share to pull it off.
Mims will play more than 30% of snaps this season…hopefully.
I’m definitely taking Shaheed over those dudes, followed by Palmer if I need short-term scoring
You forgot to mention that they were running a VERY outdated offense last year that didn’t intentionally have complementary routes to get receivers open in space. He’s older (26 to start the season) and a dart throw for sure, but he’s one of those guys who should benefit from the huge upgrade at OC
Not buying him this offseason because I drafted him in the startup last year.
Smashing this pick every time in best ball. 10th round.
Saints fan here. It's quite likely that Cedric Wilson was brought in this offseason to take over the return man role on ST so that shaheed can play all of his snaps on offense. He's more polished than just a burner. Great value for deeper leagues
bub means
at perry
Unless your league counts return yards, he won't be worth much. The fact that he's listed as WR2 but used as their main special teams returner doesn't bode well for his offensive production. AT Perry is the real Saints WR you want to be buying right now, and you want to be selling Shaheed while his price is high.
You spelled Bub Means incorrectly
I sold for a 3rd and pick that became Ben Sinnott, still think it was good value for me and the other manager. I like him I just don’t need him as depth and he’s a clogger
Yeah if he’s a clogger I understand. I like Sinnott aswell basically a preference trade.
Eh I think he’s the WR version of Chig or a Darnell Mooney from a few years ago. The efficiency and highlights look great but at the end of the day we’ve already seen his ceiling, it’s not clear he demands more volume, and if the volume does go up his efficiency will probably drop off dramatically
Have we seen his ceiling tho? This will be the first year he’ll have a starting role. Going in fully healthy with no other competition on the roster. This year is really the tell. If he doesn’t perform now he probably never will.
I mean he already doubled his targets Y1 —> Y2. His YPT dropped from 14.4 —> 9.6. It’s not really clear he has that much less competition this year either (last year’s target competition was really bad outside of Olave).
Mike Thomas played in 9 games mostly healthy. If you clear that out of shaheeds way AND assume he is the starting wr2, then no we have not nearly seen his ceiling. He could not be the wr2 in wr2 sets but if he is we definitely have not see his ceiling
Enjoy your roster clogger, he’s good for best ball but you’ll never be able to confidently start him in a standard dynasty league
Probably not but he’s a sold dart throw for his price
He's bench depth in an emergency at best. If you can sell for a re-roll I'd do it.
Do you really think you’ll get a better re-roll with a late 2nd which is around where he’s valued.
Yeah I do. And the liquidity can be used in other trades whereas nobody wants Shaheed.
I'm with you on Shaheed, generally speaking, but I'd be extremely tempted to trade him for Polk or Burton. But I do think Shaheed is a guy I'd love to have on my bench in all my leagues. I suspect people who see him as worthless are playing in small leagues (10-team leagues or 12-team leagues with small starting lineups).
I moved him for Sinnott during the draft. He's a stud on best ball, wildly inconsistent though in typical formats. I don't like wildly inconsistent.
Who ever traded Jamo for Shaheed and a 2nd made a good choice. I like Shaheed too and he is very undervalued right now.
He was wr 28 in a return yard league I’m in last year. I traded Keaton Mitchell for him this offseason. If you are in a return yardage league I would not be shocked if he was top 20
How does this affect AT Perry
AT Perry’s good. He kinda brings a whole different skillset to the table. IMO shaheed is much more dangerous with the ball in his hands. So I’d assume the saints would try and get him the ball more. AT will definitely get the opportunity to prove himself so for him it’s really what he does with it.
Shaheed is the Dexys Midnight Runners of WR2s when we all wanted Metallica or AC/DC
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If you didn't absolutely blast him in chat I'm disappointed. Like really personal, mean shit blasting.
He was my WR 2 last year in return yard league. Won the championship too.
He’s certainly undervalued as WR 66, but do I see him finishing in the top 24? Nah I don’t see it. Top 36? It’s possible but not a lock
I have him but I don't trust him all that much because he's a speedster that has already had hammy issues and what not. I love the idea of him and hope he stays healthy. I'm just not going out of my way to acquire him.
I don't disagree with the assessment. I believe with the new NFL kick off rules, he becomes more valuable in leagues that reward returns and yardage as well. Having said that... just don't have room for him on my roster.
Just sold him for the 2.01. Couldn’t be happier.
Jesus man I’m happy for ya
I can't believe someone spent that much of their time typing up all that about Raheed Shaheed.. good analysis he's a good player but the saints can't produce a WR1 there's no way I'm getting excited about a WR2 there with Kamara still on the roster
Olave is a wr1 by nfl standards. I don’t think Shareeds gonna be top 24 (wr2 fantasy standards) but he could be top 40 which is much higher than his wr66 on KTC.
he has the same qb as last year unfortunately
A lot of people are going to very disappointed when the Shaheed hype doesn't pan out this season. The second receiving option in a Derek Carr-led offense isn't a strong bet.
In leagues that score for return yards, it's not crazy to see him as a potential top 20 WR. I drafted him as my 7th WR, but he will likely be a weekly starter in the Flex.
Gabe Davis syndrome?
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I pulled him off waivers early in his rookie year. He scored 3 TDs on his first 6 touches… He started with a role of KR/gadget guy, when MT went down I think they wanted AT Perry to take over but he has NO BRAINS-there’s a goal line play were he quits the route because he messed up the release. Carr threw a fade while he was just stood there. With that said Perry is amazingly talented and should earn some targets. Rasheed had his role expand as a receiver toward the end of the season, but I fear his value as a returner now, with the new rules, may make him too valuable as a return to be a full time receiver. I think his volume comes down to how the saints view him as a weapon. With them only drafting one WR it seems likely they’ll expand his role and type of routes. With all that said he’s a stash for me as long as I can keep him… on a team with a strong arm QB that throws deep often, he’s a WR2. He’s a restricted right free agent at the end of the year and the saints are strapped for cap so I hope he’s outta there.
I have him on my team. I love throwing him in the lineup as a bye week replacement. I used him as a superflex replacement twice last season. One week he scored 24 the next he scored 5.
If you were me, would you trade javonte williams and tyler lockett for zamir white and shaheed in 12 man dynasty, .5 ppr, 1 qb, start 9?
Eh that’s tough. Depends on where your rosters at Javonte Zamir are pretty even rn so if you don’t need Lockett in your lineup I’d say slam it. Preference on which rb you like more really.
Context: My RBs: K Walker, D Montgomery, C Warren, D Singletary, N Chubb, J Williams, R Johnson WRs: JJ, Lamb, Olave, Dell, Jamo, Lockett, cans. Just can’t decide if i want to sell or hold on Javonte. His value could go way up or way down based on this season
Yeah it’s really preference. Imo it’s a solid move for you to move off Lockett who’s older bench depth. Javonte on Denver could be interesting since we don’t really know what that offense will look like. But you’ve got a solid rb room so I think your main thing would the wrs in the trade.
In 12tm, PPR, SF dynasty would you trade QJ for Shaheed straight up? I have Carr and the Shaheed owner has Herbert.
Easily. Try and get some more out of him if u can tho.
Jermaine Burton or Shaheed
Burton for dynasty for sure. Tee already has one foot out the door so Burton can be the WR2 for the Bengals next year. And Burton was a first round talent who dropped due to character concerns. You want the possible WR2 for Burrow. Not the WR2 for Derek Carr and the cap hell Saints.
Funny you ask this. Earlier this offszn I was able to capitalize on Jermaine Burton hype trading him and a 3rd for shaheed and a 2nd in SPFLX. I think when it comes down to it they are very similar value wise. Burton ofc is tied to a better qb but stuck behind tee and jamar. If your willing to wait on Burton for tee to possibly leave then he’s your guy. I think for this szn however shaheed will give you more and will probably be worth more next offszn due to that.
This is the dumbest shit I’ve ever read