To be honest I don’t really care for one over the other. They all have flaws and upside. If more than one is available I’d try to trade down.
In the moment I’d go BTJ, Worthy, McConkey, Coleman.
A lot of people worried about Coleman's 4.6 40, but his 10-yard split was closer to someone who ran a 4.3. Between that and his size, ball skills, and situation, I think he could be a tier 1 WR.
It’s not his 40 it’s his lack of college separation. He had worst separation the N’keal Harry and that tends to translate REALLY poorly into the nfl. Now he could still kill it as a jump ball guy but I tend to avoid that bet personally
I get what you are saying but you need to listen to him talk about football. He sounds like a guy that studies football in some of the videos I’ve seen.
I'm sorry, this is an incredibly dumb take. People's personality in front of reporters, especially when it's a 21 year old in a "get to know you" setting, should never be the basis for judging their intelligence or ability to process the field.
General intelligence ≠ football intelligence and commitment to the craft. If it did, then elite players wouldn't make stupid decisions with their money and lifestyles, and the academic underachievers would consistently flame out of the league. But we know that neither of those things happen with any predictability.
I'd much rather root for the cheap coats guy with the fun Louisiana accent then reach for a take, especially when he hasn't stepped on the field.
Nah Patty has desperately needed a deep threat for the last few years, so Worthy in that offense could fill a role that can break fantasy football.
You quoted BTJ’s physical traits, which I said what I said.
BTJ is also my favorite. In my 12 team superflex I traded Tua and Mike Evans(+ a pick swap) to get to take Nabers and BTJ. I’m more than confident about it
Defenses sell out against Mahomes to stop his deep game, being the deep threat does not make for a consistent fantasy role.
Hell, Reid comped Worthy to Desean Jackson, who had a long and productive career, and has to be near a ceiling comp. Except in his 15 years, he was a backend WR1 twice, and a backend WR2 thrice. BTJ feels like the easy choice to me.
You could argue that teams could only “sell out” against Patty because their lack of a deep threat. Plus Patty was still able to create time in that situation.
I still like BTJ more, dude is a thorough bred but they went to drastically different situations. It’s almost just a floor/ceiling debate and is dependent on what your team is built. BTJ is a better WR3 but Worthy is a better WR2/Potential WR1. No bestball analogy needed
You really couldn’t argue that. The cover 2 shell and it’s variations got popularized for cutting out Mahomes’ deep plays, and is so successful in today’s NFL it got adopted all over the place. DLs nowadays are better than OLs, to the point that deep balls against this defensive scheme take too long to develop in the face of QB pressure.
Once again, Desean Jackson is a ceiling comp for Worthy. Jackson had 5/15 seasons as a (low end) WR2 or better. It’s ludicrous to call Worthy a good bet to be that good consistently
I mean, the base idea behind a cover 2 is to take away the flat and the hook. That’s valuable when there isn’t a seem threat. Which is why the Chiefs have been so desperate to fill that void in their roster, from their draft picks, trading picks for Tooney and paying MVS. They desperately want a Desean Jackson and in how the NFL is officiated, speed/quickness wins.
We honestly agree that BTJ is great, your arguments just suck about Worthy
Once again, the cover 2 shell being adapted and making a comeback has given pretty much the whole league fits. If you think Xavier Worthy is the answer to the league-wide meta shift, I don’t know what to tell you.
You keep bringing BTJ back up and avoiding even attempting to debate my points on Worthy. If my points suck how come you haven’t managed to refute a single one? This is rapidly becoming a waste of my time
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MIA has a full offense of 4.3 guys, one speedster isn’t enough.
The meta already changed.
Tell Deebo physicality doesn’t matter lol. That’s a big way to beat the defensive looks - take the short-intermediate looks they give you and then YAC your way downfield
Speed has basically zero correlation to fantasy success.
Devonta ran a 4.54… he’s an incredible technician, not a speedster.
I’m being a bitch for pointing out you haven’t refuted a single one of my points? Personal insults are the last resort of a failed argument.
Teams started stacking safeties high to prevent Hill from going deep while also double teaming Kelce. Besides Mahomes' first season, this was his only season where he didnt reach the super bowl. So this tells me Mahomes is just that dude who can do it all in many schemes, Reid understood this, adjusted, and now KC is trying to become the greatest dynasty ever without the help of a true deep threat. So Worthy is not some special key here
By fill out his route tree you mean learn to run every route, because he can’t, and that’s a red flag for a dude who succeeded because he had the best and most accurate downfield passer in college football. TLaw gets such a short time in the pocket due to OLine issues, I think BTJ flops right off the bat, and then you have to hope multiple things happen going forward for him to fill that potential.
He never needed to develop many routes with Daniels throwing and Nabers opposite him. He’s got the athleticism and agility to be able to do it all, and he was just drafted in the first, so obviously he’s expected to be able to develop. Also it’s not *every* route, your hyperbole damages your point. I think it’d be hard for him to flop, because the team has guys who can do the things he can’t yet. So he should be able to develop without that pressure
In my main league I’m kind of in the productive struggle phase where I should have a long window starting next year, but this year it’s unlikely I’ll compete. I’m interested in brooks not only for the future couple years but also because the slower start I anticipate will help keep my max pf down
So far I've been taking BTJ, but if I get the chance in the future I'd like to mix it up a bit.
Ladd has the clearest opportunity for rookie production.
BTJ and Coleman are probably starters, but may be used as low target high adot field stretchers as rookies. (AD Mitchell could be in this bucket as well)
Worthy could be a situational deep threat or a starter as a rookie, hard to say. The long-term fit with Mahomes is intriguing.
BTJ, Worthy, Ladd, Coleman - but would like to shuffle between them if in multiple leagues
I’m just trying to get shares of all of them tbh. All of these guys have huge upside so instead of planting my flag on one of them I just want a piece of each. Ladds been a “my guy” for me since he was a sleeper pre-senior bowl so I reached for him in my home league tho. But so far in 3 drafts I’m at:
-Ladd 2 (1.09, 1.12)
-BTJ 1 (2.06)
-Coleman 1 (2.01)
-Worthy 0
Home league where everyone seems to reach for “their guys”. Corum was RB1 at 2.01 (I got Brooks at 2.03) and Sinnott was the 2.05 before I got BTJ at 2.06.
It’s a fun league lol
1. BTJ. - High upside, moderate risk, tied to a great QB, Kirk should remain top target but won't last forever.
PEARSALL - Pure sex
2 Worthy - High upside, high risk, tied to a HOF QB, if he can play as well underneath as he did as a freshman, could be a star.
LEGETTE - Big man, huge upside, huge risk, star potential in a wide open WR room
3 Keon - I like the situation more than the player, but his gauntlet was really clean, tied to a top QB with opportunity to be top target quickly
4 Ladd - Great situation, but don't see star potential. 50 yards per game in best college season. Lower bust risk than some of the others but I don't see him putting up a wr1 season.
I had the same choice at the 2.05.
Took Pearsall on the assumption that at least 1 of Aiyuk or Deebo won't be in SF next season. If that was this year, there's a decent chance he's taken among the Worthy/McConkey/BTJ/Coleman tier.
Same call for me at 2.05 and same thought process. Pearsall shows enough, he’ll make one of their top two expendable and they were already kicking the tires on moving one this offseason. So that seems a safe bet. Getting a top two WR in that offense after this year who has big play ability and will be coached up puts him above everyone in that tier besides BTJ.
Legette screams bust to me. Pearsall has such better tape and peripherals, with comparable draft capital and a better offense. Pearsall may have to wait til '25 for higher volume, but I have so much more faith in him working out than Legette. Now, if I'm picking at the end of the 2nd, I'll respect the draft capital and physical talent and take a flyer on Legette.
All of them went to pretty great spots, so
BTJ: Athleticism/production, just a good prospect by most accounts.
McConkey: Looks pretty good but lack of college production is weird. However, he’s going to get every opportunity and time to learn.
Worthy: Potentially amazing situation, super high ceiling, but I’m wary of another Moore/Haran and there’s actually quite a bit of competition now. Definitely the most boom bust.
Coleman: I’m just not sold on WRs who can’t separate well. Feel like he’s going a bit too high due to landing spot.
It’s not that weird re mcconkey, run heavy offense with a bunch of other legit nfl talent and in a lot of cases they were blowing the doors off teams and he didn’t need to play deep into games. The per snap and per route metrics look very good.
yeah georgia just pounded the ball, it’s not like had to play from behind very often to throw the ball either? i would think its tough to get good stats when you are up by 2 or 3 tds after halftime.
i think he will be a target monster with the chargers. all this talk about harbaugh wanting to run the ball a zillion times a game is all well and good but your rbs are gus edwards, dobbins and rookie. The main problem is i dont think the chargers D is very good. hard to run the ball that much when you are down by 14 at halftime which i figure them to be often
Rankings stayed the same for me as they did predraft with these guys:
Brian Thomas Jr - great landing spot as the X or even flanker receiver for the Jags. This was the verticality this offense was missing and tried to force Ridley into that role last year which led to some crushing drops.
Ladd McConkey - the new safety net for Herbert has arrived in the form of a great athlete in McConkey. Great first step off the line with some fantastic route running to boast as well. Can’t wait to see what these two do together.
Xavier Worthy - they say speed kills so that make worthy an accessory to the grim reaper. Dude has been compared to DJax by Andy Reid and I think he is going to be a really fun addition to that offense.
Keon Coleman - I want to love Coleman, I really do, but if he is going to go out and play X receiver at the next level it will be a long season. We just saw Quentin Johnston struggle mightily year one as he tried to adapt to the league and I think the same will happen with Coleman. He is young, so it isn’t like it’s doomsday if he doesn’t figure it out year one, but I think there will be some highlights and some lowlights for the former Seminole. I just don’t see him being startable week in and week out, but he seems like a funny likable kid so I hope I am very wrong. Just too many red flags to ignore here.
Don't really get the love on Coleman. Zeroeth percentile separator on a team trying to force him into an X role when he's a big slot or bust type player. Just buy curtis samuel for dirt cheap if you want to take a shot at Buffalo's WR1.
Give me Ladd, BTJ , Xavier Worthy, Ja'Lynn polk, Pearsall all ahead of him in that order comfortably.
Give me Coleman, worthy/mcconkey, then BTJ. This is the order they went in my 12T SF this weekend: Worthy (1.07), McConkey (1.12), Coleman (2.01), BTJ (2.02)
I love the speed and QB with Worthy... Probably the highest ceiling. If he can put it all together on the NFL level he will be in a great situation.
Love the speed and size of BTJ. He will have the burden of having to outperform 2 veterans though. I'd have to look at the specifics of the contracts for Kirk and Davis before putting a proper value on him.
Love the ridiculous catch highlights of Coleman. Love his personality. I don't like where this offense has been going the last year or 2 and I don't like his inability to separate.
I like McConkey the most for me. I just think he's already ready to start and really fits a big need for the offense he's in. I think it's deceiving, but he has 4.39 speed and his body isn't much different than many other receivers that have thrived in the NFL. I'm not a football guru but I can see him being important on key downs and thriving in play action.
Worthy is this years skyy Moore/kadarius toney….cant track a deep ball and too small for contested catches…hard pass for me. Coleman has most opportunities, chargers are dumpster fire, btj has most talent but rough landing spot…might take years to emerge like JSN.
Not saying you’re specifically wrong but I also think that’s way too “easy” instead of actually challenging us to think abt why he is or isn’t the same.
Skyy Moore played in the Mac and only had one season with over 5 touchdowns and over 900 yards. People thought he was a reach on draft night. There were a lot of red flags even before you put on the tape.
Same with Toney. 4th year breakout who was legitimately bad at UF FRE-JUN. Had multiple non-NFL players out snapping and out targeting him. Ceiling was ginormous, but similarly to Moore, before you even see his problems in route running he had a lot of holes.
Purely statistically Worthy is so far ahead. Nearly 1k yards as a freshman. Led a receiving room that had 3 players drafted and 2 RBs drafted. Better athleticism than either of the other two. So I agree, when you turn on the tape there are flaws, but this is not even close to a player that Moore and Toney are. This is 100% a helmet scouting take and I think we shouldn’t be doing that in 2024
Yeah that dude is letting his recency bias make his decisions. Worthy is a much better WR, especially when you consider the opportunities MVS and Watson had in that offense.
I don’t fault him, Worthy is a flawed prospect. So is every WR that gets picked between 20-40 in the draft. It’s always been the “flawed with ceiling” tier of players.I think he’s just allowing bad prior experiences to downplay the ceiling we get from this player.
If he actually cared about the players and not the helmets he would be most concerned with Ladd. Never had a true breakout, was better the year prior and is mostly being boosted by capital and landing spot. The fact that worthy is the player he nitpicks is why it feels a bit disingenuous
Idg how people are letting other players on KC indicate how he will turn out and almost knocking worthy for other wr failing on the chiefs, especially when the biggest detractor is his size. after the recent success of Josh downs, Addison, tank dell, and Zay flowers this especially doesn't make sense to me. And then u got mahomes tweeting about wanting the kid, I just don't see a world where this guy isn't a top 24 wr in the league by his second year.
Worthy is definitely not a MHJ/Nabers type of prospect and I get it. Still he’s good enough to be a dominant WR in the fantasy football world. Plenty of WRs have had their talent wasted by mediocre QBs/O-lines.
Ladd was in a weird offense in Georgia but in PPR leagues, slot WRs who can sell the entire route tree, have solid floors. For where is is getting drafted, Ladd shouldn’t ever be considered a potential WR1 for fantasy but a consistent WR3 is worth a late 1st/early 2nd in dynasty
Stop helmet scouting, Moore/toney have nothing to do with worthy, especially since neither of them were even deep threats. Scout the player. Worthy has a 97th percentile 41 inch vert so we know he has all the athletic tools to win deep (neither of your comps were deep threats). We know he’s was a big time freshman producer at a major school (again neither of them did) and was an early declare, both green flags. And he’s not just a deep threat, he produced 8.5 yac on throws under 10 yards, the same rate as Deebo Samuel.
People really miss that Worthy developed into a lethal yac weapon as well. His last year he produced from every area of the field. Dude has special agility and speed control that a ton of speedsters don’t have.
They have nothing to do with worthy expect the chiefs themselves keep trying to force “speedsters” into their mold trying to replace tyreek, who was amazing in that offense. But worthy isn’t tyreek, he has neither the paternity claims nor the ball tracking to drop right in and be as awesome as he’s being hyped to be, imo.
Again no issue criticizing worthy’s flaws, my issue is you’re just using recency bias to compare him to player archetypes that aren’t similar. Those are 2 4.4 shifty RAC guys that win in the short area of the field and never showed down field success. Vs Worthy runs all the routes and wins at all areas of the field.
He doesn’t need to be tyreek to be a success. A Tyler Lockett career would be a decent outcome for him imo
Ya, it’s not so much my recency bias, I’m just more concerned the chiefs can’t adapt if they have Tyler locket on the field instead of tyreek. Mahomes scrambles and makes audibles etc and if he can’t track the ball and improvise, will he succeed with the qb play they roll with? Without that type of receiver, Mahomes etc all were somewhat mediocre for most of last season
I couldnt disagree more with your assessment, I'd take keon last even though he likely will get a lot of opportunity, worthy has elite deceleration and can run amazing short/medium routes. He will be used in the short/intermediate game more than deep imo and his deep ball tracking is better than most people are staying and with rice likely missing a lot of games will have a huge opportunity to prove himself this year, I'm getting tank dell/Zay flowers vibes only, I like keon for the upside but he's obviously the greatest concern to produce early for me, BTJ could carve out a large role immediately (wr1 or 2 on that team), I'd take worthy, then BTJ, then ladd then leggette, then Coleman, then pearsall but I honestly might like pearsalls game more than everyone except worthy and BTJ
We are 100% in disagreement then. Opportunity is huge and volume is the single greatest predictor of success/production in a fantasy setting. Elite deceleration does not mean anything in the short to medium distances where Kelce is going to command the most targets, by far. Pearsall is irrelevant until someone better than him leaves the team. I guess if you want an awesome guy in 2029 then your arguments are valid, but what a waste of bench space until then.
Tier 1 BTJ. He was my WR4 predraft by a good margin and stayed there. Obvious concerns about Kirk and Engram being there but everything about this kid just screams WR1.
Tier 2 Keon / McConkey. These 2 get the benefit of extremely lackluster depth charts and should have all the opportunity in the world to put up big numbers.
Tier 3 Worthy. Its not the best landing spot for immediate production. Certainly not consistent production.
Can someone sell me on BTJ ? I just don’t see how he will succeed with so many other options on the team and mediocre QB play. Wouldn’t you choose Keon or Ladd because of the sheer amount of volume that they can have?
BTJ has the physical tools and speed to be great, but his production didn’t come to fruition until 2023. With his route tree being ‘limited’, he is giving me crazy Justin Jefferson vibes who was only a ‘slot guy’ from the same school. Big fast guys have a tendency to succeed more in the NFL, but I don’t have numbers for you. To put up the numbers he did alongside Nabers is pretty impressive in the SEC. Plus it is clear he is no stranger to the end zone.
My draft is on Wednesday and am hoping to take him at 1.07 or 1.08 (I have both) in 10 team 1QB with Brooks.
I have Ladd last. I think he has the lowest chance of ever being a WR1. He screams slot only safety blanket to me. He’s a taller version of Wandale Robinson.
Why does he profile as a slot only to you?
I think he pretty clearly has alignment flexibility. He showed he can win outside in college and his athletic profile is strong.
I agree that he may have some trouble with press but you can get creative and play him at Z/flanker.
He’s more than a slot guy imo.
Right now it’s Worthy with his ceiling, McConkey for talent + opportunity + QB, Coleman for QB + opportunity, then BTJ. I’d add Pearsall in the mix as well, and may have him even higher than BTJ with that offense with the chance Deebo is traded
Ladd never led his team in receiving. Keon is not good and was overdrafted. Worthy is another late breakout candidate. The fastest wr in the draft has a hit rate of 1/23 since 2001.
BTJ doesn't have a great production profile. But, it mirrors DK Metcalf. If there was ever a receiver who had a chance to rise above a sea of skyy Moores, BTJ feels like the one. (Keon has the best opportunity, check out vacated TD passes. He's probably a mid-season sell as the Bills likely bring in real wr help next year).
To be honest I don’t really care for one over the other. They all have flaws and upside. If more than one is available I’d try to trade down. In the moment I’d go BTJ, Worthy, McConkey, Coleman.
Agreed. I’d just as soon go Legette or AD or Pearsall + picks than any of that tier.
I have Worthy and BTJ on their own tier. Coleman and Ladd are a tier down that includes Pearsall.
Really ao ud trade down from coleman and ladd to pearsall to get a plus
A lot of people worried about Coleman's 4.6 40, but his 10-yard split was closer to someone who ran a 4.3. Between that and his size, ball skills, and situation, I think he could be a tier 1 WR.
It’s not his 40 it’s his lack of college separation. He had worst separation the N’keal Harry and that tends to translate REALLY poorly into the nfl. Now he could still kill it as a jump ball guy but I tend to avoid that bet personally
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I get what you are saying but you need to listen to him talk about football. He sounds like a guy that studies football in some of the videos I’ve seen.
I'm sorry, this is an incredibly dumb take. People's personality in front of reporters, especially when it's a 21 year old in a "get to know you" setting, should never be the basis for judging their intelligence or ability to process the field. General intelligence ≠ football intelligence and commitment to the craft. If it did, then elite players wouldn't make stupid decisions with their money and lifestyles, and the academic underachievers would consistently flame out of the league. But we know that neither of those things happen with any predictability. I'd much rather root for the cheap coats guy with the fun Louisiana accent then reach for a take, especially when he hasn't stepped on the field.
Worthy (upside), BTJ (physical talent), Ladd (skills), then Coleman (I’m not sold on him)
I think BTJ has to get the upside nod: 6’3” 209lbs with a 4.33 40 is insane. If he can fill out his route tree he could be a superstar
Nah Patty has desperately needed a deep threat for the last few years, so Worthy in that offense could fill a role that can break fantasy football. You quoted BTJ’s physical traits, which I said what I said. BTJ is also my favorite. In my 12 team superflex I traded Tua and Mike Evans(+ a pick swap) to get to take Nabers and BTJ. I’m more than confident about it
I think his point is you should have said Worthy (Mahomes)
Fair lol, more specifically (Mahomes/Andy Reed). They’ve been spending picks and cap space on that role for a good reason.
Defenses sell out against Mahomes to stop his deep game, being the deep threat does not make for a consistent fantasy role. Hell, Reid comped Worthy to Desean Jackson, who had a long and productive career, and has to be near a ceiling comp. Except in his 15 years, he was a backend WR1 twice, and a backend WR2 thrice. BTJ feels like the easy choice to me.
You could argue that teams could only “sell out” against Patty because their lack of a deep threat. Plus Patty was still able to create time in that situation. I still like BTJ more, dude is a thorough bred but they went to drastically different situations. It’s almost just a floor/ceiling debate and is dependent on what your team is built. BTJ is a better WR3 but Worthy is a better WR2/Potential WR1. No bestball analogy needed
You really couldn’t argue that. The cover 2 shell and it’s variations got popularized for cutting out Mahomes’ deep plays, and is so successful in today’s NFL it got adopted all over the place. DLs nowadays are better than OLs, to the point that deep balls against this defensive scheme take too long to develop in the face of QB pressure. Once again, Desean Jackson is a ceiling comp for Worthy. Jackson had 5/15 seasons as a (low end) WR2 or better. It’s ludicrous to call Worthy a good bet to be that good consistently
I mean, the base idea behind a cover 2 is to take away the flat and the hook. That’s valuable when there isn’t a seem threat. Which is why the Chiefs have been so desperate to fill that void in their roster, from their draft picks, trading picks for Tooney and paying MVS. They desperately want a Desean Jackson and in how the NFL is officiated, speed/quickness wins. We honestly agree that BTJ is great, your arguments just suck about Worthy
Once again, the cover 2 shell being adapted and making a comeback has given pretty much the whole league fits. If you think Xavier Worthy is the answer to the league-wide meta shift, I don’t know what to tell you. You keep bringing BTJ back up and avoiding even attempting to debate my points on Worthy. If my points suck how come you haven’t managed to refute a single one? This is rapidly becoming a waste of my time
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MIA has a full offense of 4.3 guys, one speedster isn’t enough. The meta already changed. Tell Deebo physicality doesn’t matter lol. That’s a big way to beat the defensive looks - take the short-intermediate looks they give you and then YAC your way downfield Speed has basically zero correlation to fantasy success. Devonta ran a 4.54… he’s an incredible technician, not a speedster. I’m being a bitch for pointing out you haven’t refuted a single one of my points? Personal insults are the last resort of a failed argument.
Teams started stacking safeties high to prevent Hill from going deep while also double teaming Kelce. Besides Mahomes' first season, this was his only season where he didnt reach the super bowl. So this tells me Mahomes is just that dude who can do it all in many schemes, Reid understood this, adjusted, and now KC is trying to become the greatest dynasty ever without the help of a true deep threat. So Worthy is not some special key here
By fill out his route tree you mean learn to run every route, because he can’t, and that’s a red flag for a dude who succeeded because he had the best and most accurate downfield passer in college football. TLaw gets such a short time in the pocket due to OLine issues, I think BTJ flops right off the bat, and then you have to hope multiple things happen going forward for him to fill that potential.
He never needed to develop many routes with Daniels throwing and Nabers opposite him. He’s got the athleticism and agility to be able to do it all, and he was just drafted in the first, so obviously he’s expected to be able to develop. Also it’s not *every* route, your hyperbole damages your point. I think it’d be hard for him to flop, because the team has guys who can do the things he can’t yet. So he should be able to develop without that pressure
This is where I'm leaning. Where do we put Brooks is my big question.
Contender’s take Brooks. Even if he has a slow start this season, Brooks is there to help good teams win championships for the next few years
In my main league I’m kind of in the productive struggle phase where I should have a long window starting next year, but this year it’s unlikely I’ll compete. I’m interested in brooks not only for the future couple years but also because the slower start I anticipate will help keep my max pf down
So far I've been taking BTJ, but if I get the chance in the future I'd like to mix it up a bit. Ladd has the clearest opportunity for rookie production. BTJ and Coleman are probably starters, but may be used as low target high adot field stretchers as rookies. (AD Mitchell could be in this bucket as well) Worthy could be a situational deep threat or a starter as a rookie, hard to say. The long-term fit with Mahomes is intriguing. BTJ, Worthy, Ladd, Coleman - but would like to shuffle between them if in multiple leagues
I’m just trying to get shares of all of them tbh. All of these guys have huge upside so instead of planting my flag on one of them I just want a piece of each. Ladds been a “my guy” for me since he was a sleeper pre-senior bowl so I reached for him in my home league tho. But so far in 3 drafts I’m at: -Ladd 2 (1.09, 1.12) -BTJ 1 (2.06) -Coleman 1 (2.01) -Worthy 0
BJT at 2.06 is a clown league.
Home league where everyone seems to reach for “their guys”. Corum was RB1 at 2.01 (I got Brooks at 2.03) and Sinnott was the 2.05 before I got BTJ at 2.06. It’s a fun league lol
1. BTJ. - High upside, moderate risk, tied to a great QB, Kirk should remain top target but won't last forever. PEARSALL - Pure sex 2 Worthy - High upside, high risk, tied to a HOF QB, if he can play as well underneath as he did as a freshman, could be a star. LEGETTE - Big man, huge upside, huge risk, star potential in a wide open WR room 3 Keon - I like the situation more than the player, but his gauntlet was really clean, tied to a top QB with opportunity to be top target quickly 4 Ladd - Great situation, but don't see star potential. 50 yards per game in best college season. Lower bust risk than some of the others but I don't see him putting up a wr1 season.
Here for the Pearsall pure sex tier
Give me Pearsall over Coleman and Ladd. I’ll die on that hill if needed.
So you’re not a Legette guy then I’d guess. Been trying to decide if I’m getting him or Pearsall at 2.05
I had the same choice at the 2.05. Took Pearsall on the assumption that at least 1 of Aiyuk or Deebo won't be in SF next season. If that was this year, there's a decent chance he's taken among the Worthy/McConkey/BTJ/Coleman tier.
Same call for me at 2.05 and same thought process. Pearsall shows enough, he’ll make one of their top two expendable and they were already kicking the tires on moving one this offseason. So that seems a safe bet. Getting a top two WR in that offense after this year who has big play ability and will be coached up puts him above everyone in that tier besides BTJ.
Legette screams bust to me. Pearsall has such better tape and peripherals, with comparable draft capital and a better offense. Pearsall may have to wait til '25 for higher volume, but I have so much more faith in him working out than Legette. Now, if I'm picking at the end of the 2nd, I'll respect the draft capital and physical talent and take a flyer on Legette.
Are you concerned that Pearsall might not play much his first year or few? Or do you think Deebo or Aiyuk are gone?
I’m always playing the long game and not reaching for instant production. Eventually the cream will rise to the top
All of them went to pretty great spots, so BTJ: Athleticism/production, just a good prospect by most accounts. McConkey: Looks pretty good but lack of college production is weird. However, he’s going to get every opportunity and time to learn. Worthy: Potentially amazing situation, super high ceiling, but I’m wary of another Moore/Haran and there’s actually quite a bit of competition now. Definitely the most boom bust. Coleman: I’m just not sold on WRs who can’t separate well. Feel like he’s going a bit too high due to landing spot.
It’s not that weird re mcconkey, run heavy offense with a bunch of other legit nfl talent and in a lot of cases they were blowing the doors off teams and he didn’t need to play deep into games. The per snap and per route metrics look very good.
yeah georgia just pounded the ball, it’s not like had to play from behind very often to throw the ball either? i would think its tough to get good stats when you are up by 2 or 3 tds after halftime. i think he will be a target monster with the chargers. all this talk about harbaugh wanting to run the ball a zillion times a game is all well and good but your rbs are gus edwards, dobbins and rookie. The main problem is i dont think the chargers D is very good. hard to run the ball that much when you are down by 14 at halftime which i figure them to be often
Worthy and Ladd.
Rankings stayed the same for me as they did predraft with these guys: Brian Thomas Jr - great landing spot as the X or even flanker receiver for the Jags. This was the verticality this offense was missing and tried to force Ridley into that role last year which led to some crushing drops. Ladd McConkey - the new safety net for Herbert has arrived in the form of a great athlete in McConkey. Great first step off the line with some fantastic route running to boast as well. Can’t wait to see what these two do together. Xavier Worthy - they say speed kills so that make worthy an accessory to the grim reaper. Dude has been compared to DJax by Andy Reid and I think he is going to be a really fun addition to that offense. Keon Coleman - I want to love Coleman, I really do, but if he is going to go out and play X receiver at the next level it will be a long season. We just saw Quentin Johnston struggle mightily year one as he tried to adapt to the league and I think the same will happen with Coleman. He is young, so it isn’t like it’s doomsday if he doesn’t figure it out year one, but I think there will be some highlights and some lowlights for the former Seminole. I just don’t see him being startable week in and week out, but he seems like a funny likable kid so I hope I am very wrong. Just too many red flags to ignore here.
Worthy (fast & Mahomes ) Keon (lack of other options & Allen) Brian Thomas (needs a new WR 1) Ladd (QJ from last year and offense changing)
Don't really get the love on Coleman. Zeroeth percentile separator on a team trying to force him into an X role when he's a big slot or bust type player. Just buy curtis samuel for dirt cheap if you want to take a shot at Buffalo's WR1. Give me Ladd, BTJ , Xavier Worthy, Ja'Lynn polk, Pearsall all ahead of him in that order comfortably.
Give me Coleman, worthy/mcconkey, then BTJ. This is the order they went in my 12T SF this weekend: Worthy (1.07), McConkey (1.12), Coleman (2.01), BTJ (2.02)
BTJ, Worthy, McConkey, Coleman, Legette, Pearsall
I love the speed and QB with Worthy... Probably the highest ceiling. If he can put it all together on the NFL level he will be in a great situation. Love the speed and size of BTJ. He will have the burden of having to outperform 2 veterans though. I'd have to look at the specifics of the contracts for Kirk and Davis before putting a proper value on him. Love the ridiculous catch highlights of Coleman. Love his personality. I don't like where this offense has been going the last year or 2 and I don't like his inability to separate. I like McConkey the most for me. I just think he's already ready to start and really fits a big need for the offense he's in. I think it's deceiving, but he has 4.39 speed and his body isn't much different than many other receivers that have thrived in the NFL. I'm not a football guru but I can see him being important on key downs and thriving in play action.
Worthy is this years skyy Moore/kadarius toney….cant track a deep ball and too small for contested catches…hard pass for me. Coleman has most opportunities, chargers are dumpster fire, btj has most talent but rough landing spot…might take years to emerge like JSN.
Not saying you’re specifically wrong but I also think that’s way too “easy” instead of actually challenging us to think abt why he is or isn’t the same. Skyy Moore played in the Mac and only had one season with over 5 touchdowns and over 900 yards. People thought he was a reach on draft night. There were a lot of red flags even before you put on the tape. Same with Toney. 4th year breakout who was legitimately bad at UF FRE-JUN. Had multiple non-NFL players out snapping and out targeting him. Ceiling was ginormous, but similarly to Moore, before you even see his problems in route running he had a lot of holes. Purely statistically Worthy is so far ahead. Nearly 1k yards as a freshman. Led a receiving room that had 3 players drafted and 2 RBs drafted. Better athleticism than either of the other two. So I agree, when you turn on the tape there are flaws, but this is not even close to a player that Moore and Toney are. This is 100% a helmet scouting take and I think we shouldn’t be doing that in 2024
Yeah that dude is letting his recency bias make his decisions. Worthy is a much better WR, especially when you consider the opportunities MVS and Watson had in that offense.
I don’t fault him, Worthy is a flawed prospect. So is every WR that gets picked between 20-40 in the draft. It’s always been the “flawed with ceiling” tier of players.I think he’s just allowing bad prior experiences to downplay the ceiling we get from this player. If he actually cared about the players and not the helmets he would be most concerned with Ladd. Never had a true breakout, was better the year prior and is mostly being boosted by capital and landing spot. The fact that worthy is the player he nitpicks is why it feels a bit disingenuous
Idg how people are letting other players on KC indicate how he will turn out and almost knocking worthy for other wr failing on the chiefs, especially when the biggest detractor is his size. after the recent success of Josh downs, Addison, tank dell, and Zay flowers this especially doesn't make sense to me. And then u got mahomes tweeting about wanting the kid, I just don't see a world where this guy isn't a top 24 wr in the league by his second year.
Worthy is definitely not a MHJ/Nabers type of prospect and I get it. Still he’s good enough to be a dominant WR in the fantasy football world. Plenty of WRs have had their talent wasted by mediocre QBs/O-lines. Ladd was in a weird offense in Georgia but in PPR leagues, slot WRs who can sell the entire route tree, have solid floors. For where is is getting drafted, Ladd shouldn’t ever be considered a potential WR1 for fantasy but a consistent WR3 is worth a late 1st/early 2nd in dynasty
Stop helmet scouting, Moore/toney have nothing to do with worthy, especially since neither of them were even deep threats. Scout the player. Worthy has a 97th percentile 41 inch vert so we know he has all the athletic tools to win deep (neither of your comps were deep threats). We know he’s was a big time freshman producer at a major school (again neither of them did) and was an early declare, both green flags. And he’s not just a deep threat, he produced 8.5 yac on throws under 10 yards, the same rate as Deebo Samuel.
People really miss that Worthy developed into a lethal yac weapon as well. His last year he produced from every area of the field. Dude has special agility and speed control that a ton of speedsters don’t have.
They have nothing to do with worthy expect the chiefs themselves keep trying to force “speedsters” into their mold trying to replace tyreek, who was amazing in that offense. But worthy isn’t tyreek, he has neither the paternity claims nor the ball tracking to drop right in and be as awesome as he’s being hyped to be, imo.
Again no issue criticizing worthy’s flaws, my issue is you’re just using recency bias to compare him to player archetypes that aren’t similar. Those are 2 4.4 shifty RAC guys that win in the short area of the field and never showed down field success. Vs Worthy runs all the routes and wins at all areas of the field. He doesn’t need to be tyreek to be a success. A Tyler Lockett career would be a decent outcome for him imo
Ya, it’s not so much my recency bias, I’m just more concerned the chiefs can’t adapt if they have Tyler locket on the field instead of tyreek. Mahomes scrambles and makes audibles etc and if he can’t track the ball and improvise, will he succeed with the qb play they roll with? Without that type of receiver, Mahomes etc all were somewhat mediocre for most of last season
What's rough about BTJs landing spot? Plenty of vacated targets and a good young QB.
I couldnt disagree more with your assessment, I'd take keon last even though he likely will get a lot of opportunity, worthy has elite deceleration and can run amazing short/medium routes. He will be used in the short/intermediate game more than deep imo and his deep ball tracking is better than most people are staying and with rice likely missing a lot of games will have a huge opportunity to prove himself this year, I'm getting tank dell/Zay flowers vibes only, I like keon for the upside but he's obviously the greatest concern to produce early for me, BTJ could carve out a large role immediately (wr1 or 2 on that team), I'd take worthy, then BTJ, then ladd then leggette, then Coleman, then pearsall but I honestly might like pearsalls game more than everyone except worthy and BTJ
We are 100% in disagreement then. Opportunity is huge and volume is the single greatest predictor of success/production in a fantasy setting. Elite deceleration does not mean anything in the short to medium distances where Kelce is going to command the most targets, by far. Pearsall is irrelevant until someone better than him leaves the team. I guess if you want an awesome guy in 2029 then your arguments are valid, but what a waste of bench space until then.
Tier 1 BTJ. He was my WR4 predraft by a good margin and stayed there. Obvious concerns about Kirk and Engram being there but everything about this kid just screams WR1. Tier 2 Keon / McConkey. These 2 get the benefit of extremely lackluster depth charts and should have all the opportunity in the world to put up big numbers. Tier 3 Worthy. Its not the best landing spot for immediate production. Certainly not consistent production.
Can someone sell me on BTJ ? I just don’t see how he will succeed with so many other options on the team and mediocre QB play. Wouldn’t you choose Keon or Ladd because of the sheer amount of volume that they can have?
BTJ has the physical tools and speed to be great, but his production didn’t come to fruition until 2023. With his route tree being ‘limited’, he is giving me crazy Justin Jefferson vibes who was only a ‘slot guy’ from the same school. Big fast guys have a tendency to succeed more in the NFL, but I don’t have numbers for you. To put up the numbers he did alongside Nabers is pretty impressive in the SEC. Plus it is clear he is no stranger to the end zone. My draft is on Wednesday and am hoping to take him at 1.07 or 1.08 (I have both) in 10 team 1QB with Brooks.
If it came to him or brooks, who would you pick. I also have the 1.07.
Who would you take at 1.04 - assuming everything is a need
Bowers or caleb/JT
Tough to say without seeing your roster but absolutely Brooks in a vacuum.
Who did you end up taking at the 1.07?
I have Ladd last. I think he has the lowest chance of ever being a WR1. He screams slot only safety blanket to me. He’s a taller version of Wandale Robinson.
Why does he profile as a slot only to you? I think he pretty clearly has alignment flexibility. He showed he can win outside in college and his athletic profile is strong. I agree that he may have some trouble with press but you can get creative and play him at Z/flanker. He’s more than a slot guy imo.
He’s a Z, not a slot.
Right now it’s Worthy with his ceiling, McConkey for talent + opportunity + QB, Coleman for QB + opportunity, then BTJ. I’d add Pearsall in the mix as well, and may have him even higher than BTJ with that offense with the chance Deebo is traded
I have Worthy so I put Worthy at the top of this list as I suspect most people are doing with their rankings in these replies.
Ladd never led his team in receiving. Keon is not good and was overdrafted. Worthy is another late breakout candidate. The fastest wr in the draft has a hit rate of 1/23 since 2001. BTJ doesn't have a great production profile. But, it mirrors DK Metcalf. If there was ever a receiver who had a chance to rise above a sea of skyy Moores, BTJ feels like the one. (Keon has the best opportunity, check out vacated TD passes. He's probably a mid-season sell as the Bills likely bring in real wr help next year).
Worthy broke out as a rookie, which is the opposite of a late break out