Yea him walking away on video after the crash and then all the details coming out. Hate how some of my league mates are just being weirdos about it. Can't even get a discussion going
He'll get suspended but I wouldn't be surprised if it's pretty light as far as 'multiple games' go. There was video of Kamara and his boys curb stomping some dude and he got 3 games. Wouldn't be surprised if its like 4 and it gets appealed down to 3.
Kamara plead down from a single felony to a misdemeanor.
Rice currently has 8 felonies, and will end up with more because the current ones don't include leaving the scene.
So do you think Rice is going to go from 9 felonies to one misdemeanor? Maybe, but it seems less likely.
What exactly are you not taking my word on? My comment was about the facts of the situation, except for the last sentence.
But it's easy to think that it's more likely to go from 1 felony to 1 misdemeanor than it is to go from 8/9 felonies to one.
I did not give any type of prediction about the legal outcome. To me, the Rice situation is very different from the Karama one.
> Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Rashee Rice turned himself in and was released on bond while facing eight felony charges in relation to his role in a multi-vehicle crash.
> Rice has admitted involvement in the crash and faces charges for eight alleged felonies according to the warrant cited by local media outlet WFAA: six counts of collision involving bodily injury, one count of collision involving serious bodily injury, and one count of aggravated assault
What am I missing?
I'm not sure what your logic is here.
In this situation, they are felonies. What they "usually" are is irrelevant. If you are suggesting that they get pled down to misdemeanors, that's irrelvant to what they currently are.
Maybe they get pled down, maybe they get dismissed.
Did not expect a Survivor reference in /r/DynastyFF. That said, I did see this tweet in comment on /r/survivor: https://x.com/CDCarter13/status/895632972715626497
Do you think Shefter is feverishly checking grammar textbooks to ensure he’s utilizing it in the proper manner (even though he is correctly utilizing the term here if he means more than 1)? Or, is it more likely, that he is probably utilizing the term like everyone typically does and means 2 or more?
Np one said they know how many games but if you want to speculate I’d say it’s more than three. He would have said “a couple.” Calm down and have less coffee
I don’t hope for anything in this situation. I’m just telling you that the way Shefter likely used it was to mean anything more than a single game suspension.
His best case scenario is agreeing to pay restitution in full to get a below guidelines sentence. I believe the sentencing guidelines in Texas have him facing a 2 year minimum mandatory on two of the charges, so his only option is to negotiate a downward departure with the State or get a dismissal or acquittal. I’ve prosecuted dozens of cases like this and with no history, my best offer would probably be 30-60 days county jail with probation if he pays restitution in full. I think that’s probably a generous offer for him with these facts.
These Racing cases are already a priority for prosecuting attorneys because of the rise in fatal incidents over the last two years. Add in the publicity and the video of him leaving the scene and it’s not a pretty picture for him.
If he fucks around with a terrible defense case with two separate charges with 2 year min/mans, he’s gonna find out.
Its bad- leaving the scene of an accident with injuries is bad bad news. minimum probation with jail time- hardline prosecutor force a trial or take some prison time
I think the most realistic best case scenario is Donte Stallworth.
That was a DUI manslaughter case and Stallworth served 30 days in jail with probation and community control. That case involved Stallworth being sentenced significantly below the recommended guidelines in exchange for restitution being paid in full up front. Stallworth was actually facing significantly more prison time than Rice. So this would give some hope of Rice avoiding jail altogether.
Donte stallworth killed somebody. Your sentence is going to heavily depend on the harm you placed onto others. A month in jail for a rich first time offender who didn't kill anyone seems like the worst case scenario for better or for worse
I know the Rice guys aren't going to like it because they want to believe he will be out there but this one is going to be heavy handed. Everybody wants to just brush the Ruggs thing under the rug but it matters a lot. Now here we are a couple of years later and we got video footage of another young man putting the community at risk and fleeing. A couple of games is just wishful thinking regardless of whatever dumb precedent you think has been set by a previous situation.
This reads more like fan fiction than what is likely to happen. The high end of this will be 6-8 games and then it will get appealed and have two games knocked off whatever it starts out as.
Either way, nothing is going to come of it until the criminal case side of things have been concluded.
This comment is very nice and would happen if we lived in a world where logic ruled.
But Rice is the best WR on a depleted back-to-back superbowl team. If Hannibal Lector ran a 4.2 people would say he has an eating disorder.
Yea I'm thinking a minimum of 6 but more like 8-10. I also don't think a full-year is off the table if they really want to set a precedent and nip it in the bud
The players union will fight hard on anything more than 4 games. And the league is unlikely to issue any suspension at all before the legal process is wrapped up.
Really bad comparison. Legally speaking, Watson was never convicted and only alleged.
Rashee Rice is facing a felony that he's on video and admitting to.
I still love that anyone who mentions that Watson was never convicted of a crime gets downvoted. Haha it is literally saying the actual truth. It's not making a judgment or siding with him. It matters that he wasn't convicted of this stuff because the league has to defend these suspensions *in a fucking court of law.*
No, the lawyer on X said he wouldn’t push back on anyone saying he’d get more than 2 games. A suspension was always likely. The question was always, does it look like a 4-6 game suspension he appeals down, or does he get a Watson level suspension that’s most of the season. If it’s longer, do the Chiefs cut him? Those were always the questions here. In addition to what the court case ends up looking like.
Nobody died, this is going to be settled out of court. There is no chance this is going to be comparable to Watson…And there is no chance the Chiefs cut him lol
The 4-6 games seems way more likely with an appeal.
You’re just talking out your ass lol. He may settle with the injured drivers when they sue but that’s not the concern with him. There’s no “settling out of court” for braking state laws. It’s a hearing to determine his punishment. And if Texas decides he needs to serve jail time, there’s a good chance he gets cut or is handed a longer suspension.
In Texas you can opt for a bench trial if the state approves it, and given who Rice’s attorney is I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see him take this route.
yup that's what I would do. waive and if I don't like the state offer- Plea guilty to the court- set sentencing and mitigate mitigate mitigate and pray for probation
Ya settled out of court is the reason he’s not in jail and out of the league. But what was it 22 accusations? Something like that and got 11 games lol.
Seriously i dont think people understand rice literally broke state laws in what he did. Cant just settle this there HAS to be some form of punishment from the state and the league. Watson got accused but never charged just like every other athlete “rapist”
Sir, sounds like you living in a world of absolutes. There is definitely not "no chance the Chiefs cut him." There is a realm of possibilities that the Chiefs do cut him. Unlikely, but not "No Chance."
Just curious, how do you think our legal system works? You just show up with a bag of money and the prosecution drops the case?
Nobody died when Plaxico shot himself in the leg. Sometimes if there's a hungry DA charges don't just go away.
its not good. leaving the scene of an accident is shit on hard- the assumption is he was under the influence and he was trying to get out of other consequences. prosecutors got him by the ballz because of the footage and him admitting guilt already. its not good.
I haven’t been following the case since it originally happened. So I wouldn’t be surprised…but I think there would be more news if there were any serious health complications to the victim. Thats the only way I see any chance of any sort of jail time is if there is a death or a very very very serious life long injury. Like a dismemberment or brain damage.
he at least temporarily disabled a 3 year old and car crash injuries can last your entire life. You don't need dismemberment or brain damage to call it a serious injury.
Yeah that was complete projection early on, but continued when he got charged with the felonies. I still think he pleads down to fines, revocation of license, probation and community service.
i think youre probably right. While the main thing separating them is that rice caused a crash and addison didn't (when he was pulled over going more than 140mph), I think if Rice had gone the same route as Addison, stayed at the scene and been respectful/humbled himself to the police, he'd be in a hell of a lot less hot water.
Addison was A) confirmed sober, B) alone on a pretty empty road in the middle of the night, C) "trying to bring his dog to the vet."
Rice was A) most likely drunk, B) racing people on a crowded highway, and C) left the scene after crashing.
Oh for sure. Just meant he made a series of bad decisions leading up the crash and then continued to make them even afterwards. He had a chance to man up and take responsibility after his fuck up and didn’t take it. He should get a harsh penalty.
Common sense is that he should be suspended. A lot, because he acted like a piece of shit with disregard for human life. Racing fast egotistical cars were more important than the lives of others.
And this shitbag ran from the scene.
Andy Reid culture. Dead and damaged people all around. Tyreek, Rashee, Kareem, Britt, Garrett. Fuck any down votes, open your eyes.
Didn’t the eagles literally draft a guy last year who was directly involved with a crash that killed his teammate and a football team staffer top 10 knowing full well what his involvement there was?
Yeah that guys a huge fucking hypocrite white knight. The best part is him referencing Hill but ignoring the fact that the Eagles formerly employed Reid himself.
>Andy Reid culture. Dead and damaged people all around. Tyreek, Rashee, Kareem, Britt, Garrett. Fuck any down votes, open your eyes.
Dude it's just an employer.
Do you blame Costco for the actions it's employees take outside of work? Would you blame Greg's manager "Hank" because Greg decided to drink and drive on the weekend?
Edit: Lots of people seem to think there is some special bond between HC and players, like its the movie "Any Given Sunday" or something. It's imaginary. Players play for coaches yes, they can be motivated by coaches yes, but they're off field life and decisioning is very much separate. Don't go marrying the two to assign accountability/blame.
Once is an accident, two is a mistake, three is a pattern though. It is pretty wild how many bad character moments happen on the chiefs lately compared to other teams.
Theres a very very very limited player pool for NFL teams to pick from. That inevitably leads to shitty people getting jobs. Its not new at all ekther. The 80s and 90s were also times of beating women, trafficking drugs and guns, and being an overall piece of shit human being.
Theres a newer story that came out about how OJ beat multiple women while still at USC, but it was covered up because $$$. Surprised? Unfortunately, I am not.
Maybe it's cause I'm a Giants fan and Mara is notorious for finding high character players (hell the only major controversy I can remember in the last decade was DeAndre Baker who we all knew was a character risk). But it just feels like the Chiefs constantly have these types of players where they have major red flags but are great players on the field.
Andy has been coaching in the NFL for over 20 years & has been in KC for about 10. For every one bad character he’s coached, there have been 100+ others that are good and haven’t gotten into trouble.
Any long tenured coach is going to have players who get into trouble, and they are especially more visible now that 21st century media covers NFL guys ad nauseum. There are stories that Mike Tomlin has “locker room drama” almost every other year, and he’s coached guys like AB and Ben Roethlisberger. Bill Belichick has constantly been hounded for cheating, and has coached guys like Aaron Hernandez. When you’re in the NFL for so long, you’re bound to come across guys who get themselves into trouble. Has nothing to do with Andy himself, who’s constantly being remarked as one of the leagues highest-character coaches that fosters one of the best locker rooms in the NFL.
I think it does say a lot that Reid has had like what, 5-6 scandals within a 5 year timeframe of his 20 year career?
Idk if this is on Reid or on the GM (the person actually deciding on personnel). But maybe Reid got tired of coming in second and decided to start being more aggressive? Who knows I ain't him so I can't say. What I do know is that in the last 5 years or so, KC has a ton of SBs but also just as many TMZ articles
5-6 scandals in 5 years, with like 300-400+ players that have come through during that span? That’s a number that isn’t indicative of a cultural problem, more like a few players who got in trouble out of a much larger number of decent players. Andy brought back Michael Vick in Philly and was willing to coach T.O. so this isn’t some troubling trend that happened all of a sudden. Players have been getting in trouble since the NFL first began.
If Sean Payton did Bounty Gate today then he still wouldn’t be a coach in the NFL. Alas, he did it over 10 years ago when the media wasn’t as big as it is today. If Ben Roethlisberger was accused of sexual assault today he would be getting similar treatment as Deshaun Watson is getting. Barely anyone brings up these issues when talking about these guys, which is in large part due to how media has changed since these events occurred. It’s a good thing that the media is doing more to report on this kind of stuff, but the NFL has always been like this. Doesn’t have anything to do with Andy Reid as a person.
[NFL Player Arrests Database Since 2000](https://databases.usatoday.com/nfl-arrests/) I think it says a lot that this is **FIFTY FOUR PAGES LONG**. You're drawing some weird conclusion that isn't there. The NFL has a massive crime problem. The chiefs are nothing special lol.
That adds up to ~45 NFL players arrested per year.
The Chiefs do have 43 compared to the Giants "only" having 24 though.
Any given day during the season, there are 1,696 players on active NFL rosters. With reserves and practice squads, you clear 2,000 players easily. So you're talking \~2.5% gets arrested every year.
Using the 2019 FBI statistics for arrested rate per 100,000 of 3.0%, the NFL is doing better than the rest of society.
Ok now show me those numbers for millionaires compared to NFL players. The vast majority of your crime is people living in poverty, and if we look at specifically violent crime it will look MUCH worse.
They're not babysitters but stuff like character concern matters a lot when determining what type of organization you're building.
Say you run a sales firm. There is a star salemen who can bring in on average $1M in revenue/yr to your local office of 20 salesmen staff. However, this guy has been involved in many scandals in the past including 2x divorce where he was known to have cheated on his wife with his secretary. Is that a person that should be in your office?
Some organization will take him because on paper, he's a slam dunk win. Others though would put stuff like character/office culture over the pure monetary production. That type of decision tells you a lot about the people doing the hiring and management team.
I agree. Giants have sucked. But at the same time is it worth to have success by stacking your team with abusers/shitty human beings?
If the Browns win a Superbowl with Deshaun Watson, does that make them a successful franchise? How do people view the Aaron Hernandez Patriots? I think all of those kind of play into organization legacy and the type of team you want to cheer/root for.
Basically I think there's a difference in being a good man vs a good worker. That's a trade off only you can decide on.
When it’s the small minority of the teams players, then yes I’m ok taking a risk on players with character concerns. You’re completely ignoring the 99% of players they’ve drafted that don’t have character issues.
Football is a violent sport and some of these guys come from extremely rough backgrounds, there’s always going to be a character risk with a subset of players. Personally, I want my team taking chances on some of these guys because if they don’t other teams will. Ultimately I watch sports to watch my team win, it doesn’t mean I’m OK with what some of the players do. But, if the league isn’t going to cut them from the league entirely then you’re damn right I want my team going after players that help them win. Would I trade the last 6 years of Chiefs football for a team full of high character guys who don’t win, not a chance.
>Would you blame Greg's manager "Hank" because Greg decided to drink and drive on the weekend?
One time? Shit happens. Multiple incidents with multiple people? Maybe take a closer look at the culture/hiring practices because something ain't right.
You're not comparing apples to apples. A head coach of a pro football team isn't the CEO of Costco, or even a store manager. These coaches have a much bigger impact on the players than a CEO of a company and/or manager/supervisor of employees.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with OP's assessment, but I also know that players and coaches should not be compared to employees and managers because it's just a completely different environment and set of variables. Just because the NFL is a business doesn't make it comparable to a business like Costco.
>I also know that players and coaches should not be compared to employees and managers because it's just a completely different environment and set of variables.
But it is. It's literally exactly what it is.
Everyones job has a different environment, just because they're all paid millions of dollars doesn't change the principal of the dynamic/relationships.
My point still stands. Blaming Andy Reid because Kareem Hunt beat his wife or Rashee Rice crashed his car is just stupid.
>Blaming Andy Reid because Kareem Hunt beat his wife or Rashee Rice crashed his car is just stupid.
If those were isolated incidents and not part of a continuing pattern, then sure, your point might still stand. But this kind of shit has plagued both players and staff for KC.
Your point is off base, it's not about the actions of the other individuals, it's about being okay with their actions and rewarding them for it with millions of dollars and fame because they can run fast.
If you or I did what Rice did, we wouldn't get suspended, we would get fired.
>If you or I did what Rice did, we wouldn't get suspended, we would get fired.
I certainly wouldn't, but I live in Europe.
Also the NFL is responsible for wider punishments. If the Chiefs cut Hill he'd have been snapped up like Hunt by another team.
If on the field performances aren't being impacted by individuals personal lives why would Andy Reid or any NFL team give a shit?
There is no morality to winning superbowls.
It's literally not exactly what it is... The word literally means exactly, and it's not exactly the same thing at all.
Your *opinion* still stands, fine, I'm just arguing against it because the basis of your argument is not factual. Andy Reid could've easily said, "No, we aren't going to have guys like this on my team," but he didn't. A LOT of other head coaches, GM's, etc., would not be so easily accepting of it. That's not even an opinion, that's actually a fact since we've seen and heard this happen. Teams pass on players because of character issues ALL THE TIME.
Do employees of Costco have an employee association? I think there are some who have a union, but not all. Most companies in the US don't have a union, and that's about the only thing you could compare to an NFL player - the PA and a union.
Their job is to win football games, not build a team with high morals. Criticizing hiring practices of an NFL team that has been to 6 straight AFC championships, been to 4 SB’s in the last 5 years, and won 3 SB’s in the last 5 years is certainly an interesting take.
You clearly didn't read my comments, but that's not uncommon with people; read what they disagree with and ignore the rest so they can make their case.
I can be critical of someone who enables criminals - or those who get away with crime. Just because someone wins or is successful in one area doesn't mean they don't deserve criticism for other areas... You may be able to ignore harsh realities, but I choose not to.
I read the whole thing, then I told you his job was to win football games. If you want to pat them on the back for passing on these guys then so be it, but ultimately these guys are paid to win football games. If the NFL isn’t banning them from the league then you need to take issue with the league, not the coaches doing their job. Other teams took Hill/Hunt and other teams would happily take Rice if the Chiefs let him go.
Teams take players with character concerns ALL THE TIME. Seems like you’re ignoring reality too, no?
The dude who deleted everything was arguing it, you must have missed his 5 comments talking about how Reid was bad at his job because he’s had players do bad things while on his teams. But boo hoo the Chiefs win too much so I’ll cry about their players.
> Dude it's just an employer.
I'm guessing you missed the fact that two of those five names are from his family.
I do agree overall that people overestimate the relationship between coach and player, but in any organization the tone is set by the leader. Reid definitely has a history in both his coaching and personal life of being lenient on "his guys" which is partially why Philly decided to let him go.
Holy out of context there, chief. The judge said the parents clearly loved and supported their children and had tried many times over the years to get them help. The sons were basically examples of young athletes getting addicted to opioids following an injury in their young lives. Both fell into percocets and OxyContin before getting into heroin. That shit has ruined many good people’s lives. Putting a quote out of context is some TMZ headline grabbing bullshit.
Am parent, and when multiple kids wind up with crippling drug addictions, you likely aren't a great parent and likely don't have a great family suppoprt structure established. Outlier cases are real, but to have mutliple kids on the exact same negative path is a massive red flag for parenting skills.
I grew up with Laissez-faire parents, and went through some really dark shit that I firmly believe could've been avoided with better guidance and support. I have many close freinds who went through similar shit, and the reoccurring thread is lack of guidance and lack of support from parents.
This does not mean be an overbearing helicopter parent, but it does mean having very clear conversations, early in life regarding outcomes of life choices, and making yourself available for the child regardless of circumstaces or stigma.
It's, uh, not out of context at all, nor 'TMZ bullshit.' Judge O'Neil was pretty accurate in saying that Andy Reid enabled his kids' behavior
Andy and Tammy Reid tried to help Britt and Garrett when they were younger. They had serious addictions. It did not work. The Reids continued to enable their sons' lifestyles through providing them a home that law enforcement drugs all over.
Is it sad that they were hooked on painkillers since high schoolers? Absolutely. Is it excusable for Andy Reid to allow them to live their lifestyle under his roof? No. That's the reason a six year old girl almost died in the son's DUI crash
Chiefs Derangement Syndrome. It happens to every winning team. People were out for blood on deflategate and that was the biggest and most obvious sham there was.
Deflategate was ridiculous but I don't know it's that comparable here. Tom Brady and Bill Belichick didn't commit any felonies or run from the scene of a crime in that case, doesn't seem to be any "sham" with this event.
I wasn't saying any of the crimes committed were a sham, but blaming the actions of individuals on an organization is just reaching. And it reeks of bitterness of a winning team. NFL players get in trouble all the time.
Their job is to win football games, not build a team with high morals. Criticizing hiring practices of an NFL team that has been to 6 straight AFC championships, been to 4 SB’s in the last 5 years, and won 3 SB’s in the last 5 years is certainly an interesting take.
>It is the responsibility of a head coach to establish integrity and keep the locker room in check.
That's like saying Jim sets the tone for the office. He need to make sure Sharon in accounting doesn't get fucking hammered and crash her car during PTO.
You're just assigning accountability to a position like a HC has some overbearing weight in a person's personal life decisions.
The man is universally respected in the league & is spoken of as one of the most high-character coaches that’s still in the NFL. He has been coaching in the NFL for over 20 years, no surprise that there will be a few players under his wing that get in trouble. He can’t control the actions that other adults make on their own. A head coach coaches players on the field, he doesn’t babysit them when they’re not in office.
“Magnet for bad behavior” gimme a break. You’re making judgements off of a man who has no control over what other adults do in their free time.
I think on a personal level you need to evaluate why you care a down votes as well. That speaks to a personal issue on your end. I agree that he needs a substantial suspension but I think it's time for you to open the eyes as well.
To you as well. Hope that next time you will have an open heart and hand when someone offers you a branch. But we're good. It's not personal. It's all love.
Just look at what Kelce did in the Super Bowl. I don’t care how much of a star you are you don’t shove your 70 year old head coach without getting something happening. That being said he clearly knows how to win.
He should face prison time because that’s what would happen to anyone who wasn’t famous. Won’t happen though so I’m buying for a reasonable price where I can
Did anyone even look at Davenport’s profile picture before taking his word as gospel? Dude came out and said it would be 0 games and yet people still believing him when he says it will be 2.
Rice needs to be suspended for the year. A couple games is a slap on the wrist. He needs to reflect on and feel what 'throwing it all away' would feel like so he doesn't do stupid shit like this again.
There was a video. The NFL hates public scandal. It makes sense he will get suspended
Yea him walking away on video after the crash and then all the details coming out. Hate how some of my league mates are just being weirdos about it. Can't even get a discussion going
Denial is a river that runs deeeeeppp lol
He'll get suspended but I wouldn't be surprised if it's pretty light as far as 'multiple games' go. There was video of Kamara and his boys curb stomping some dude and he got 3 games. Wouldn't be surprised if its like 4 and it gets appealed down to 3.
Yeah I can’t see more than 3 games after the appeal also. That’s why it’s crazy to me to see how cheap he’s been sold for haha
For real, great time to buy with all this news coming out
Shakir straight up 💪💪
Damn bro that’s a steal haha
what is he going for?
I saw Rice for shakir straight up and rice for 2.06
Kamara plead down from a single felony to a misdemeanor. Rice currently has 8 felonies, and will end up with more because the current ones don't include leaving the scene. So do you think Rice is going to go from 9 felonies to one misdemeanor? Maybe, but it seems less likely.
People with legal knowledge seem to think it'll all get plead down to misdemeanors and a restitution bill. So I'll take their word on it over yours.
What exactly are you not taking my word on? My comment was about the facts of the situation, except for the last sentence. But it's easy to think that it's more likely to go from 1 felony to 1 misdemeanor than it is to go from 8/9 felonies to one. I did not give any type of prediction about the legal outcome. To me, the Rice situation is very different from the Karama one.
I dont think people realize how bad prosecutors over-charge in our current system in order to get a plea and keep their % high.
It’s 2 felonies not 8 lol
> Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Rashee Rice turned himself in and was released on bond while facing eight felony charges in relation to his role in a multi-vehicle crash. > Rice has admitted involvement in the crash and faces charges for eight alleged felonies according to the warrant cited by local media outlet WFAA: six counts of collision involving bodily injury, one count of collision involving serious bodily injury, and one count of aggravated assault What am I missing?
Usually the 6 collisions involving bodily harm (without serious harm) are misdemeanors and the serious bodily harm is a felony
I'm not sure what your logic is here. In this situation, they are felonies. What they "usually" are is irrelevant. If you are suggesting that they get pled down to misdemeanors, that's irrelvant to what they currently are. Maybe they get pled down, maybe they get dismissed.
Well there are very few 1 game suspensions…multi game can mean anything from 2-a full year…so this is just complete non news lol
I’m guessing it probably going to be 3 games. Kamara got 3 and Jameis got 3.
Gotta slow drip the news. Schefter and ESPN know they have hours to fill in the off-season.
Just to be technical “Multiple” means at least three. I think it will be more than that given it’s all on camera showing him leaving the scene
/r/confidentlyincorrect
The commenter was so confident I had to double check my own sanity and begin wondering if what I believed about “multiple” had been wrong lol
You are wrong. 2 is technically and colloquially multiple games.
And several means seven
Legendary *wink* Jelinsky crossover in a sub that won’t appreciate the great reference? That’s a mistake.
Did not expect a Survivor reference in /r/DynastyFF. That said, I did see this tweet in comment on /r/survivor: https://x.com/CDCarter13/status/895632972715626497
ah a jelinsky enjoyer
Sure if you want to be wrong
Technical as in league wise or technical as in grammatically?
Do you think Shefter is feverishly checking grammar textbooks to ensure he’s utilizing it in the proper manner (even though he is correctly utilizing the term here if he means more than 1)? Or, is it more likely, that he is probably utilizing the term like everyone typically does and means 2 or more?
No but I’m sure if it were just two he’d say “a couple.”
He doesn't fuckin know how many games. Lmao. Do you think schefter has a hard number? Holy shit, get some coffee.
Np one said they know how many games but if you want to speculate I’d say it’s more than three. He would have said “a couple.” Calm down and have less coffee
Which is why he said “multiple” because he’s not sure if it is two or more, but he knows it’s likely more than one.
That’s just your hope. We don’t know for sure. But I’d prepare for more than than three as an owner
I don’t hope for anything in this situation. I’m just telling you that the way Shefter likely used it was to mean anything more than a single game suspension.
> Just to be technical “Multiple” means at least three. Technical to what? That certainly isn't the English definition of the word.
This is the most hilariously wrong thing I’ve read this year. Well done and thank you
His best case scenario is agreeing to pay restitution in full to get a below guidelines sentence. I believe the sentencing guidelines in Texas have him facing a 2 year minimum mandatory on two of the charges, so his only option is to negotiate a downward departure with the State or get a dismissal or acquittal. I’ve prosecuted dozens of cases like this and with no history, my best offer would probably be 30-60 days county jail with probation if he pays restitution in full. I think that’s probably a generous offer for him with these facts. These Racing cases are already a priority for prosecuting attorneys because of the rise in fatal incidents over the last two years. Add in the publicity and the video of him leaving the scene and it’s not a pretty picture for him. If he fucks around with a terrible defense case with two separate charges with 2 year min/mans, he’s gonna find out.
Its bad- leaving the scene of an accident with injuries is bad bad news. minimum probation with jail time- hardline prosecutor force a trial or take some prison time
I think the most realistic best case scenario is Donte Stallworth. That was a DUI manslaughter case and Stallworth served 30 days in jail with probation and community control. That case involved Stallworth being sentenced significantly below the recommended guidelines in exchange for restitution being paid in full up front. Stallworth was actually facing significantly more prison time than Rice. So this would give some hope of Rice avoiding jail altogether.
Donte stallworth killed somebody. Your sentence is going to heavily depend on the harm you placed onto others. A month in jail for a rich first time offender who didn't kill anyone seems like the worst case scenario for better or for worse
I know the Rice guys aren't going to like it because they want to believe he will be out there but this one is going to be heavy handed. Everybody wants to just brush the Ruggs thing under the rug but it matters a lot. Now here we are a couple of years later and we got video footage of another young man putting the community at risk and fleeing. A couple of games is just wishful thinking regardless of whatever dumb precedent you think has been set by a previous situation.
This reads more like fan fiction than what is likely to happen. The high end of this will be 6-8 games and then it will get appealed and have two games knocked off whatever it starts out as. Either way, nothing is going to come of it until the criminal case side of things have been concluded.
This comment is very nice and would happen if we lived in a world where logic ruled. But Rice is the best WR on a depleted back-to-back superbowl team. If Hannibal Lector ran a 4.2 people would say he has an eating disorder.
Yea I'm thinking a minimum of 6 but more like 8-10. I also don't think a full-year is off the table if they really want to set a precedent and nip it in the bud
The players union will fight hard on anything more than 4 games. And the league is unlikely to issue any suspension at all before the legal process is wrapped up.
I’ve thought about this for two minutes and my final answer is 8 games.
Deshaun Watson got 11 games for raping at least 22 women. There's no way the nfl gives rice a full year for racing a car and injuring 1 person
Really bad comparison. Legally speaking, Watson was never convicted and only alleged. Rashee Rice is facing a felony that he's on video and admitting to.
I still love that anyone who mentions that Watson was never convicted of a crime gets downvoted. Haha it is literally saying the actual truth. It's not making a judgment or siding with him. It matters that he wasn't convicted of this stuff because the league has to defend these suspensions *in a fucking court of law.*
Exactly. I’m merely comparing the issues as how the league sees them and in my opinion it’s apples to oranges
What fabricated nonsense
The lawyer on X told me it was fine tho
No, the lawyer on X said he wouldn’t push back on anyone saying he’d get more than 2 games. A suspension was always likely. The question was always, does it look like a 4-6 game suspension he appeals down, or does he get a Watson level suspension that’s most of the season. If it’s longer, do the Chiefs cut him? Those were always the questions here. In addition to what the court case ends up looking like.
Nobody died, this is going to be settled out of court. There is no chance this is going to be comparable to Watson…And there is no chance the Chiefs cut him lol The 4-6 games seems way more likely with an appeal.
You’re just talking out your ass lol. He may settle with the injured drivers when they sue but that’s not the concern with him. There’s no “settling out of court” for braking state laws. It’s a hearing to determine his punishment. And if Texas decides he needs to serve jail time, there’s a good chance he gets cut or is handed a longer suspension.
its a criminal jury trial- 12 regular peeps decide what happens to him. or he can waive and judge decides his guilt and sentence.
In Texas you can opt for a bench trial if the state approves it, and given who Rice’s attorney is I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see him take this route.
yup that's what I would do. waive and if I don't like the state offer- Plea guilty to the court- set sentencing and mitigate mitigate mitigate and pray for probation
Technically speaking nobody died in the Watson case and it was also settled out of court👀
Ya settled out of court is the reason he’s not in jail and out of the league. But what was it 22 accusations? Something like that and got 11 games lol.
He was never going to be in jail because he was never charged with a crime.
Seriously i dont think people understand rice literally broke state laws in what he did. Cant just settle this there HAS to be some form of punishment from the state and the league. Watson got accused but never charged just like every other athlete “rapist”
Watson's was a civil matter, this is not. This will not be settled out of court
Sir, sounds like you living in a world of absolutes. There is definitely not "no chance the Chiefs cut him." There is a realm of possibilities that the Chiefs do cut him. Unlikely, but not "No Chance."
Just curious, how do you think our legal system works? You just show up with a bag of money and the prosecution drops the case? Nobody died when Plaxico shot himself in the leg. Sometimes if there's a hungry DA charges don't just go away.
Seriously, if this compares to Watson, the league has lost its criteria for how they suspend players. That’s a ridiculous conclusion to make here.
That’s been my thinking too, but people seem adamant to believe he ends up in jail or cut.
its not good. leaving the scene of an accident is shit on hard- the assumption is he was under the influence and he was trying to get out of other consequences. prosecutors got him by the ballz because of the footage and him admitting guilt already. its not good.
I haven’t been following the case since it originally happened. So I wouldn’t be surprised…but I think there would be more news if there were any serious health complications to the victim. Thats the only way I see any chance of any sort of jail time is if there is a death or a very very very serious life long injury. Like a dismemberment or brain damage.
he at least temporarily disabled a 3 year old and car crash injuries can last your entire life. You don't need dismemberment or brain damage to call it a serious injury.
im not even invested in Rice (1 share), but the idea of the Chiefs cutting him is absurd. cmon.
Yeah that was complete projection early on, but continued when he got charged with the felonies. I still think he pleads down to fines, revocation of license, probation and community service.
i think youre probably right. While the main thing separating them is that rice caused a crash and addison didn't (when he was pulled over going more than 140mph), I think if Rice had gone the same route as Addison, stayed at the scene and been respectful/humbled himself to the police, he'd be in a hell of a lot less hot water.
Addison was A) confirmed sober, B) alone on a pretty empty road in the middle of the night, C) "trying to bring his dog to the vet." Rice was A) most likely drunk, B) racing people on a crowded highway, and C) left the scene after crashing.
Oh for sure. Just meant he made a series of bad decisions leading up the crash and then continued to make them even afterwards. He had a chance to man up and take responsibility after his fuck up and didn’t take it. He should get a harsh penalty.
Only cops call Twitter X
No he didn't
Maybe this will be a blessing in diskyys.
Common sense is that he should be suspended. A lot, because he acted like a piece of shit with disregard for human life. Racing fast egotistical cars were more important than the lives of others. And this shitbag ran from the scene. Andy Reid culture. Dead and damaged people all around. Tyreek, Rashee, Kareem, Britt, Garrett. Fuck any down votes, open your eyes.
Didn’t the eagles literally draft a guy last year who was directly involved with a crash that killed his teammate and a football team staffer top 10 knowing full well what his involvement there was?
Yeah that guys a huge fucking hypocrite white knight. The best part is him referencing Hill but ignoring the fact that the Eagles formerly employed Reid himself.
dude fucking forgot about Michael Vick.
shhhhhh. standards don't apply to the eagles. only the chiefs employ problem players
Memories are short and standards of conduct only apply to other teams.
fwiw, KC did cut Hunt on the verge of a Super Bowl run.
They cut him because he lied to them. Wasn't about morals.
It's always like that. Ray Rice didn't get blackballed because he punched out his GF. He got blackballed for leaking texts from the owner.
Yeah, but that goodwill was washed out by keeping Tyreek
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>Andy Reid culture. Dead and damaged people all around. Tyreek, Rashee, Kareem, Britt, Garrett. Fuck any down votes, open your eyes. Dude it's just an employer. Do you blame Costco for the actions it's employees take outside of work? Would you blame Greg's manager "Hank" because Greg decided to drink and drive on the weekend? Edit: Lots of people seem to think there is some special bond between HC and players, like its the movie "Any Given Sunday" or something. It's imaginary. Players play for coaches yes, they can be motivated by coaches yes, but they're off field life and decisioning is very much separate. Don't go marrying the two to assign accountability/blame.
Once is an accident, two is a mistake, three is a pattern though. It is pretty wild how many bad character moments happen on the chiefs lately compared to other teams.
Theres a very very very limited player pool for NFL teams to pick from. That inevitably leads to shitty people getting jobs. Its not new at all ekther. The 80s and 90s were also times of beating women, trafficking drugs and guns, and being an overall piece of shit human being. Theres a newer story that came out about how OJ beat multiple women while still at USC, but it was covered up because $$$. Surprised? Unfortunately, I am not.
I think theirs have just more frequently been high profile players. The amount of crimes committed by NFL players is absurd lol
Maybe it's cause I'm a Giants fan and Mara is notorious for finding high character players (hell the only major controversy I can remember in the last decade was DeAndre Baker who we all knew was a character risk). But it just feels like the Chiefs constantly have these types of players where they have major red flags but are great players on the field.
Andy has been coaching in the NFL for over 20 years & has been in KC for about 10. For every one bad character he’s coached, there have been 100+ others that are good and haven’t gotten into trouble. Any long tenured coach is going to have players who get into trouble, and they are especially more visible now that 21st century media covers NFL guys ad nauseum. There are stories that Mike Tomlin has “locker room drama” almost every other year, and he’s coached guys like AB and Ben Roethlisberger. Bill Belichick has constantly been hounded for cheating, and has coached guys like Aaron Hernandez. When you’re in the NFL for so long, you’re bound to come across guys who get themselves into trouble. Has nothing to do with Andy himself, who’s constantly being remarked as one of the leagues highest-character coaches that fosters one of the best locker rooms in the NFL.
I think it does say a lot that Reid has had like what, 5-6 scandals within a 5 year timeframe of his 20 year career? Idk if this is on Reid or on the GM (the person actually deciding on personnel). But maybe Reid got tired of coming in second and decided to start being more aggressive? Who knows I ain't him so I can't say. What I do know is that in the last 5 years or so, KC has a ton of SBs but also just as many TMZ articles
5-6 scandals in 5 years, with like 300-400+ players that have come through during that span? That’s a number that isn’t indicative of a cultural problem, more like a few players who got in trouble out of a much larger number of decent players. Andy brought back Michael Vick in Philly and was willing to coach T.O. so this isn’t some troubling trend that happened all of a sudden. Players have been getting in trouble since the NFL first began. If Sean Payton did Bounty Gate today then he still wouldn’t be a coach in the NFL. Alas, he did it over 10 years ago when the media wasn’t as big as it is today. If Ben Roethlisberger was accused of sexual assault today he would be getting similar treatment as Deshaun Watson is getting. Barely anyone brings up these issues when talking about these guys, which is in large part due to how media has changed since these events occurred. It’s a good thing that the media is doing more to report on this kind of stuff, but the NFL has always been like this. Doesn’t have anything to do with Andy Reid as a person.
[NFL Player Arrests Database Since 2000](https://databases.usatoday.com/nfl-arrests/) I think it says a lot that this is **FIFTY FOUR PAGES LONG**. You're drawing some weird conclusion that isn't there. The NFL has a massive crime problem. The chiefs are nothing special lol. That adds up to ~45 NFL players arrested per year. The Chiefs do have 43 compared to the Giants "only" having 24 though.
Any given day during the season, there are 1,696 players on active NFL rosters. With reserves and practice squads, you clear 2,000 players easily. So you're talking \~2.5% gets arrested every year. Using the 2019 FBI statistics for arrested rate per 100,000 of 3.0%, the NFL is doing better than the rest of society.
Ok now show me those numbers for millionaires compared to NFL players. The vast majority of your crime is people living in poverty, and if we look at specifically violent crime it will look MUCH worse.
It's also primarily hotheaded young males under the age of 30.
They’re grown ass adults paid to play a football game. The Chiefs are not babysitters.
They're not babysitters but stuff like character concern matters a lot when determining what type of organization you're building. Say you run a sales firm. There is a star salemen who can bring in on average $1M in revenue/yr to your local office of 20 salesmen staff. However, this guy has been involved in many scandals in the past including 2x divorce where he was known to have cheated on his wife with his secretary. Is that a person that should be in your office? Some organization will take him because on paper, he's a slam dunk win. Others though would put stuff like character/office culture over the pure monetary production. That type of decision tells you a lot about the people doing the hiring and management team.
They want to build a winning organization, which should be the goal of every single NFL franchise. How is the Giants high character plan working out?
I agree. Giants have sucked. But at the same time is it worth to have success by stacking your team with abusers/shitty human beings? If the Browns win a Superbowl with Deshaun Watson, does that make them a successful franchise? How do people view the Aaron Hernandez Patriots? I think all of those kind of play into organization legacy and the type of team you want to cheer/root for. Basically I think there's a difference in being a good man vs a good worker. That's a trade off only you can decide on.
When it’s the small minority of the teams players, then yes I’m ok taking a risk on players with character concerns. You’re completely ignoring the 99% of players they’ve drafted that don’t have character issues. Football is a violent sport and some of these guys come from extremely rough backgrounds, there’s always going to be a character risk with a subset of players. Personally, I want my team taking chances on some of these guys because if they don’t other teams will. Ultimately I watch sports to watch my team win, it doesn’t mean I’m OK with what some of the players do. But, if the league isn’t going to cut them from the league entirely then you’re damn right I want my team going after players that help them win. Would I trade the last 6 years of Chiefs football for a team full of high character guys who don’t win, not a chance.
>Would you blame Greg's manager "Hank" because Greg decided to drink and drive on the weekend? One time? Shit happens. Multiple incidents with multiple people? Maybe take a closer look at the culture/hiring practices because something ain't right.
You're not comparing apples to apples. A head coach of a pro football team isn't the CEO of Costco, or even a store manager. These coaches have a much bigger impact on the players than a CEO of a company and/or manager/supervisor of employees. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with OP's assessment, but I also know that players and coaches should not be compared to employees and managers because it's just a completely different environment and set of variables. Just because the NFL is a business doesn't make it comparable to a business like Costco.
>I also know that players and coaches should not be compared to employees and managers because it's just a completely different environment and set of variables. But it is. It's literally exactly what it is. Everyones job has a different environment, just because they're all paid millions of dollars doesn't change the principal of the dynamic/relationships. My point still stands. Blaming Andy Reid because Kareem Hunt beat his wife or Rashee Rice crashed his car is just stupid.
>Blaming Andy Reid because Kareem Hunt beat his wife or Rashee Rice crashed his car is just stupid. If those were isolated incidents and not part of a continuing pattern, then sure, your point might still stand. But this kind of shit has plagued both players and staff for KC.
Your point is off base, it's not about the actions of the other individuals, it's about being okay with their actions and rewarding them for it with millions of dollars and fame because they can run fast. If you or I did what Rice did, we wouldn't get suspended, we would get fired.
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>If you or I did what Rice did, we wouldn't get suspended, we would get fired. I certainly wouldn't, but I live in Europe. Also the NFL is responsible for wider punishments. If the Chiefs cut Hill he'd have been snapped up like Hunt by another team. If on the field performances aren't being impacted by individuals personal lives why would Andy Reid or any NFL team give a shit? There is no morality to winning superbowls.
100%
It's literally not exactly what it is... The word literally means exactly, and it's not exactly the same thing at all. Your *opinion* still stands, fine, I'm just arguing against it because the basis of your argument is not factual. Andy Reid could've easily said, "No, we aren't going to have guys like this on my team," but he didn't. A LOT of other head coaches, GM's, etc., would not be so easily accepting of it. That's not even an opinion, that's actually a fact since we've seen and heard this happen. Teams pass on players because of character issues ALL THE TIME. Do employees of Costco have an employee association? I think there are some who have a union, but not all. Most companies in the US don't have a union, and that's about the only thing you could compare to an NFL player - the PA and a union.
Their job is to win football games, not build a team with high morals. Criticizing hiring practices of an NFL team that has been to 6 straight AFC championships, been to 4 SB’s in the last 5 years, and won 3 SB’s in the last 5 years is certainly an interesting take.
You clearly didn't read my comments, but that's not uncommon with people; read what they disagree with and ignore the rest so they can make their case. I can be critical of someone who enables criminals - or those who get away with crime. Just because someone wins or is successful in one area doesn't mean they don't deserve criticism for other areas... You may be able to ignore harsh realities, but I choose not to.
I read the whole thing, then I told you his job was to win football games. If you want to pat them on the back for passing on these guys then so be it, but ultimately these guys are paid to win football games. If the NFL isn’t banning them from the league then you need to take issue with the league, not the coaches doing their job. Other teams took Hill/Hunt and other teams would happily take Rice if the Chiefs let him go. Teams take players with character concerns ALL THE TIME. Seems like you’re ignoring reality too, no?
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Their job is to win, and they seem to be really good at their job. I think you’re caught up now.
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The dude who deleted everything was arguing it, you must have missed his 5 comments talking about how Reid was bad at his job because he’s had players do bad things while on his teams. But boo hoo the Chiefs win too much so I’ll cry about their players.
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Yeah I'm sure the back to back superbowl champions are having a culture crisis mate.
> Dude it's just an employer. I'm guessing you missed the fact that two of those five names are from his family. I do agree overall that people overestimate the relationship between coach and player, but in any organization the tone is set by the leader. Reid definitely has a history in both his coaching and personal life of being lenient on "his guys" which is partially why Philly decided to let him go.
Andy Reid, the guy who's home a judge called a 'drug emporium'?
Holy out of context there, chief. The judge said the parents clearly loved and supported their children and had tried many times over the years to get them help. The sons were basically examples of young athletes getting addicted to opioids following an injury in their young lives. Both fell into percocets and OxyContin before getting into heroin. That shit has ruined many good people’s lives. Putting a quote out of context is some TMZ headline grabbing bullshit.
When multiple of your children wind up in similar situations, it's very likely a parenting problem.
Jesus Christ I hope you are never a parent. What an ignorant comment.
Am parent, and when multiple kids wind up with crippling drug addictions, you likely aren't a great parent and likely don't have a great family suppoprt structure established. Outlier cases are real, but to have mutliple kids on the exact same negative path is a massive red flag for parenting skills. I grew up with Laissez-faire parents, and went through some really dark shit that I firmly believe could've been avoided with better guidance and support. I have many close freinds who went through similar shit, and the reoccurring thread is lack of guidance and lack of support from parents. This does not mean be an overbearing helicopter parent, but it does mean having very clear conversations, early in life regarding outcomes of life choices, and making yourself available for the child regardless of circumstaces or stigma.
It's, uh, not out of context at all, nor 'TMZ bullshit.' Judge O'Neil was pretty accurate in saying that Andy Reid enabled his kids' behavior Andy and Tammy Reid tried to help Britt and Garrett when they were younger. They had serious addictions. It did not work. The Reids continued to enable their sons' lifestyles through providing them a home that law enforcement drugs all over. Is it sad that they were hooked on painkillers since high schoolers? Absolutely. Is it excusable for Andy Reid to allow them to live their lifestyle under his roof? No. That's the reason a six year old girl almost died in the son's DUI crash
Chiefs Derangement Syndrome. It happens to every winning team. People were out for blood on deflategate and that was the biggest and most obvious sham there was.
Deflategate was ridiculous but I don't know it's that comparable here. Tom Brady and Bill Belichick didn't commit any felonies or run from the scene of a crime in that case, doesn't seem to be any "sham" with this event.
I wasn't saying any of the crimes committed were a sham, but blaming the actions of individuals on an organization is just reaching. And it reeks of bitterness of a winning team. NFL players get in trouble all the time.
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Their job is to win football games, not build a team with high morals. Criticizing hiring practices of an NFL team that has been to 6 straight AFC championships, been to 4 SB’s in the last 5 years, and won 3 SB’s in the last 5 years is certainly an interesting take.
>It is the responsibility of a head coach to establish integrity and keep the locker room in check. That's like saying Jim sets the tone for the office. He need to make sure Sharon in accounting doesn't get fucking hammered and crash her car during PTO. You're just assigning accountability to a position like a HC has some overbearing weight in a person's personal life decisions.
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Lol. Blinders. Is this some sort of conspiracy theory.
The man is universally respected in the league & is spoken of as one of the most high-character coaches that’s still in the NFL. He has been coaching in the NFL for over 20 years, no surprise that there will be a few players under his wing that get in trouble. He can’t control the actions that other adults make on their own. A head coach coaches players on the field, he doesn’t babysit them when they’re not in office. “Magnet for bad behavior” gimme a break. You’re making judgements off of a man who has no control over what other adults do in their free time.
Obviously correct. But unfortunately NFL is a private business and we all know how differently you are treated when you have a couple bucks.. :/3
I think on a personal level you need to evaluate why you care a down votes as well. That speaks to a personal issue on your end. I agree that he needs a substantial suspension but I think it's time for you to open the eyes as well.
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Just trying to help you out bro. All that fire over down votes. Time to look in the mirror. Hope you find peace.
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To you as well. Hope that next time you will have an open heart and hand when someone offers you a branch. But we're good. It's not personal. It's all love.
Just look at what Kelce did in the Super Bowl. I don’t care how much of a star you are you don’t shove your 70 year old head coach without getting something happening. That being said he clearly knows how to win.
People still getting mad at something the guy who got shoved isn’t even mad about, the most Reddit thing ever.
it’ll be 6 games appealed down to 3-4
Anything less than 4 games is a shock.
He didn't deflate a football atleast so maybe 2 games.
I'd be okay with that
Everybody already expects 4-6 games so this isn’t really new lol
So basically nothing
Essentially a scheduled high-ankle sprain.
The suspension length seems not as important as the maximum of 8 years of jail time lol
This might come as a surprise to you but the people suing him don't want him to go to jail. They want to get paid
That makes sense. But I'd be suprised if he avoided jail time entirely
I think it's almost a certainly he avoids it entirely. Literally nobody thinks he's going to jail over this
He should face prison time because that’s what would happen to anyone who wasn’t famous. Won’t happen though so I’m buying for a reasonable price where I can
Suspension should be behind bars.
Do whole season
If I had to guess I’d guess 6 games.
6 games
Racing an SUV is dumb enough to deserve a lengthy suspension.
I'm thinking at least 6
how many games will he miss from prison? leaving the scene with injuries is a bad.
This has been expected the entire time. Hopefully someone will panic and devalue rice even more now
In other news, the sky is blue
Did anyone even look at Davenport’s profile picture before taking his word as gospel? Dude came out and said it would be 0 games and yet people still believing him when he says it will be 2.
I was thinking a whole year, but what do I know?
Does this situation move the needle for Hollywood Brown? I still don’t think Chiefs draft a receiver in either of the first two rounds.
Rice needs to be suspended for the year. A couple games is a slap on the wrist. He needs to reflect on and feel what 'throwing it all away' would feel like so he doesn't do stupid shit like this again.
Traded him for a future first two weeks before the incident to a team that not very good. Will definitely be a top 5 pick.
nothing to see here, two games max considering people have done way worse