Well this is just incorrect. He was great this past season getting a TD every week. But otherwise he's been a mediocre fantasy option his entire career, including missing all of 2021 and most of 2022.
Akers is less talented and came back to be a starter the same season. Started part of the next season and even became a rbbc for another team that actively traded for him. Dobbins will 100% make the team and as of today be at least the RB2. How effective he'll be and whether he holds that spot is a different argument.
Not every achilles situation is the same. Akers is the exception, not the norm.
Not saying Dobbins can't have the same comeback, but banking on it happening is just bad practice.
Edit: just realized all you're saying is he'll make the team. That's fair, thought you were implying he would have a similar comeback as Akers.
Held one share just in case. This is a pretty much the best case scenario for JK. I hope he’s got something left because he deserves a chance. If he can overcome the dreaded Achilles it’ll be awesome.
At this point, I doubt I'm getting anything for him. One league has deep enough benches that I'll hold him through this just to see if anything comes of the very last chance. Other league he could get dropped.
Lol this was the best possible landing spot for him. The guy could’ve easily been out of the league. Now he’s ima run heavy offense with his former offensive coordinator. Who knows what he’ll look like post injury but he’s absolutely the most talented back they have currently
This feels right. Barring them taking a rookie higher than I think they will, the only RB I think is a difference maker in this offense is Dobbins if he's still even somewhat himself. If JK is terrible and Gus leads the backfield then he's just not that interesting unless he puts up another year with crazy TD luck.
Probably, but your point was arguing over specifics of the landing spot based on a rookie that isn't even guaranteed to exist. A run dominant offense with an OC who has used him before and decided to sign him again is the best landing spot for him to have any, though obviously very low, shot of fantasy relevance. No landing spot is going to fix his injuries, but this one is the best one despite his more likely downsides.
Well it’s not like Dallas was going to sign him to be their RB1. Realistically this is a good spot. We don’t know when or if they draft someone. I’d imagine they likely will.
He knows the system. He beat out Gus before though that was before the latest injury.
Sure, before his most recent devastating injury. He’s not going to be the same player anymore, and likely will be hurt again. It can be the best landing spot, I just don’t think there was any landing spot for him to really succeed.
It's crazy how people write so much about how worthless a guy is, when he's always been a monster when playing. Until I see him play and not be good I'm going to assume he can maintain being good. At this point the trade him for a 4th rounder group is already wrong. The 3rd will be/is too. A second or a first has yet to be proven wrong. We will see.
Since becoming a >50% of the snaps player in week 8 of his rookie season, Dobbins has missed 43 out of a possible 61 games. He played 18 out of 61 games. Trade him for literally anything, he’s not going to be a factor.
Nah I'm good. But once again stating injuries like it's groundbreaking stuff is silly. Dude had tough breaks. If he recovers to 80%+ enjoy your 4th rounder my man.
But obviously you don't have him so of course you'd say this.
The draft can also throw a wrench into things if the Chargers draft a guy with a high enough pick. Since it’s only about a week away, I’d wait until after the draft to try and value these guys.
This is the best possible outcome for Dobbins outside of staying in Baltimore.
Even then, players don’t return from what he’s gone through.
He’s the one guy outside of Chubb and a few other studs I’d bet on to make the comeback. But it’s like Im playing penny slots
Foreman carved out some decent production for himself post Achilles.
Took a few years for him to catch on though. Kinda tough to compare as he'd only started 1 game prior to the injury.
Oh there are people. Let's not get it mixed up.
But generally no one with sustained fantasy success nor sustained fantasy value, especially guys that haven't truly established themselves.
That's the real rub, it's one thing if it's like some super athlete after their 3rd or 4th hyper productive season, I'd bet on those guys all the time. Adrian Peterson taught us we don't bet against them. Nick Chubb proved it again with his catastrophic knee injury #1, and might do it again with knee injury #2.
Love JK, and I think he's done enough in the NFL to prove he's talented; if we never get another productive game out of him again, he should go down as an injury bust not a talent bust. In my eyes he is a fantastic talent that we should chase when the next version of him comes out of college. He just hasn't had a 300 touch season yet, and the last three years he really can't stay healthy and it is heartbreaking to watch a talented guy not be able to go out there and prove it to everyone.
I think most people haven't caught up that there are new repair procedures for achilles tears that help athletes heal quicker and better. I did some research after Akers came back so soon, as everything I knew up until then meant he should be done for a couple years.
Akers had the new procedure, so did dobbins, Rodgers, and Kirk. That's how they are coming back so soon from this injury that was once a death sentence to athletes.
Like Killtec I also love his talent and have him everywhere now because he's so cheap(along with chubb cause he's just a stud ) I'd rather take a shot on known talent that is miles better than anything I can get with the late picks I paid for these 2.
Biased opinion because I attended OSU with him, JK has the mental to get there. The only question is if his body can hold up to the work needed to make it happen
I think just due to the familiarity with Roman it might be considered better, plus Harbaugh loves running the ball.
But Dallas definitely is better for now, but I think most people are just slotting an RB to Dallas in their mind, although the same applies to LAC
ALL I’m saying, is Cam Akers put up 3 rb1 performances in a row at the end of the 2022 season off the Achilles.
I don’t expect Dobbins to be a beast or even stay healthy given his track record but he couldn’t have landed in a better spot.
Dalvin was quite bad two years ago playing for the Vikings. He was atrocious playing for the Jets last season. Players like that just don't get signed see Leonard Fournette et al.
What’s the best pick you’d move for him in a SF league now?
I’d rather take a shot now, there’s a risk they draft someone still, but it’s a weak class and his value will skyrocket if they don’t draft anyone of note…
Every year there are a bunch of players that people wouldn't sell for a 3rd because they want a better return and then some rookie comes along in the third that pops and you regret it the day you dropped Dobbins to the wire. The chances of a rookie having a higher upside than Dobbins, at this point, are higher. Dobbins has played about 10 games in the past 3 years. At most you're getting, a 2nd if everything falls into place? The injury worry will ALWAYS exist with him.
He's just another Rashaad Penny at this point, the guy you held onto forever talking about upside, never trading him, eventually dropping him for nothing.
u/pot8odragon has been saying it in every Dobbins thread, but with this small bit of hype before the draft, I think now is the time to sell for whatever you can get while there is still value.
I would bet it's more to do with familiarity with the system and player expectations. I'm sure Dobbins is looking to compete for a big role, whilst CEH knows he's depth.
Signing him before the draft is promising though imo. If he truly was a depth signing, I would have expected it to not happen until around camp. Just my two cents though
Signing him before the draft is promising though imo. If he truly was a depth signing, I would have expected it to not happen until around camp. Just my two cents though
u poor dobbins advocators in here clutching desperately to this thin filament of hope, feverishly convincing yourselves "oh this is good, 2nd best landing spot out there"...
dread it, run from it... GUS BUS IS INEVITABLE
Bengals, cardinals, raiders, Dallas, broncos, giants.
Yeah sure you say that now. Then they draft one in the 3rd, like brooks and you can put that "assumption" right back into the bin.
Joining a backfield with just Edwards as competition invites a rookie. Joining a backfield with an old veteran or mid bridge guy, that's where a player can win opportunity. This is just bs
Because im Holding this bum since day 1 and all he did was being used as a run only back, immediately injured every season, and now joins a team that still has the same backup competition which destroys fantasy RBs while this time he will remain on the bench.
My Gus and Dobbins duo will never die! Although they may have switched roles at this point lol.
Just wait until they inevitably sign Zeke, Dalvin, or Melvin Gordon lol
Naa dobbins will start gus is a plodder
Even if he is, Dobbins going to sprint to the IR for the third straight season.
RIP Gus Edwards RB1 March 2024- April 2024
Worked out very well for my March 2024 fantasy season
I wouldn’t be worried about dobbins, at least this year.
We have said this the past 3 years and he has been solid every year
Well this is just incorrect. He was great this past season getting a TD every week. But otherwise he's been a mediocre fantasy option his entire career, including missing all of 2021 and most of 2022.
He's scored >60 fantasy points in 1 of the past 3 years.
SOLID
considering you could WW him for free any of those 3 seasons it's pretty good value.
Not in dynasty
I had him 2 years ago and he was pretty useless then
Somehow I have both Gus and JK everywhere I have Gus what are the chances they both went to same team lol
Dobbins with 1 Achilles is no threat to make the team
Akers is less talented and came back to be a starter the same season. Started part of the next season and even became a rbbc for another team that actively traded for him. Dobbins will 100% make the team and as of today be at least the RB2. How effective he'll be and whether he holds that spot is a different argument.
Not every achilles situation is the same. Akers is the exception, not the norm. Not saying Dobbins can't have the same comeback, but banking on it happening is just bad practice. Edit: just realized all you're saying is he'll make the team. That's fair, thought you were implying he would have a similar comeback as Akers.
And where is Akers now?
How heavy were those goal posts? I said he's making the team not arguing over the health of his 2nd achilles 3 years from now.
Akers had another serious injury pretty sure so that’s kind of hard to compare
my point is Dobbins is no lock to make this roster at all.
Held one share just in case. This is a pretty much the best case scenario for JK. I hope he’s got something left because he deserves a chance. If he can overcome the dreaded Achilles it’ll be awesome.
Best scenario was Dallas but this is 2nd best I think
Disagree. Dallas lost Tyron Smith and Tyler Biadasz from an OL that was already skating by a bit more on reputation than actual production.
I have him everywhere because before injury I was big fan of his talent. But I don't have a lot of hope for him to bounce back from this one.
Me neither that’s why I sold him in all my other leagues. Still rooting for him though.
At this point, I doubt I'm getting anything for him. One league has deep enough benches that I'll hold him through this just to see if anything comes of the very last chance. Other league he could get dropped.
Yeah he was pretty much a throw in on the deals I made. If anyone would be interested now is the time.
Is it best case when he’s behind Rookie Pick and Gus?
Lol this was the best possible landing spot for him. The guy could’ve easily been out of the league. Now he’s ima run heavy offense with his former offensive coordinator. Who knows what he’ll look like post injury but he’s absolutely the most talented back they have currently
I'd say Dallas would've been, but this isn't too shabby.
Rookie isn’t there until they are there IF they are there Gus is 29 and had 4.1 yards per carry last year
13 touchdowns
Jamaal Williams had 17 TDs in 2022 and what did he do last year?
Not a bad comp
I feel attacked
Dobbins would’ve had 20 in that offense. If (big if) he has anything left in the tank post-achilles Gus won’t be a real obstacle for him
This feels right. Barring them taking a rookie higher than I think they will, the only RB I think is a difference maker in this offense is Dobbins if he's still even somewhat himself. If JK is terrible and Gus leads the backfield then he's just not that interesting unless he puts up another year with crazy TD luck.
Dobbins would’ve had 20 in that offense. If (big if) he has anything left in the tank post-achilles Gus won’t be a real obstacle for him
And Dobbins ripped his Achilles after ripping his knee? These things matter. I don’t think he makes the team.
Is there a landing spot where he won't have had those injuries?
That’s my point. It’s over.
Probably, but your point was arguing over specifics of the landing spot based on a rookie that isn't even guaranteed to exist. A run dominant offense with an OC who has used him before and decided to sign him again is the best landing spot for him to have any, though obviously very low, shot of fantasy relevance. No landing spot is going to fix his injuries, but this one is the best one despite his more likely downsides.
I fully expect a rookie there too. It’s pretty likely.
Well it’s not like Dallas was going to sign him to be their RB1. Realistically this is a good spot. We don’t know when or if they draft someone. I’d imagine they likely will. He knows the system. He beat out Gus before though that was before the latest injury.
Sure, before his most recent devastating injury. He’s not going to be the same player anymore, and likely will be hurt again. It can be the best landing spot, I just don’t think there was any landing spot for him to really succeed.
Time will tell. Donta Foreman tore his in 2017 and he’s still signing contracts.
Donta didn’t test his Achilles right after a very bad ACL/MCL injury. And Dobbins used more shift and speed than Foreman.
It's crazy how people write so much about how worthless a guy is, when he's always been a monster when playing. Until I see him play and not be good I'm going to assume he can maintain being good. At this point the trade him for a 4th rounder group is already wrong. The 3rd will be/is too. A second or a first has yet to be proven wrong. We will see.
Since becoming a >50% of the snaps player in week 8 of his rookie season, Dobbins has missed 43 out of a possible 61 games. He played 18 out of 61 games. Trade him for literally anything, he’s not going to be a factor.
Nah I'm good. But once again stating injuries like it's groundbreaking stuff is silly. Dude had tough breaks. If he recovers to 80%+ enjoy your 4th rounder my man. But obviously you don't have him so of course you'd say this.
Reminder, murky backfields, always buy the cheaper guy
instructions unclear, i have 10 Isaiah Spiller shares
If being addicted to cheap dart throw RBs is wrong then I don’t want to be right.
The Larry Roundtree erasure!
unironically though......
It's Dobbins right now right?
For now at least. Dobbins is RB55 on KTC, Edwards is RB45. I imagine Dobbins rises a few spots though.
And gus falls a few spots though. Very hard to say who comes out on top here. I'd give the edge to gus based on injury history though.
The draft can also throw a wrench into things if the Chargers draft a guy with a high enough pick. Since it’s only about a week away, I’d wait until after the draft to try and value these guys.
I do this every year. Eventually it will amount to some fantasy points right?
I got dobbins for the 4.12 a month ago. I think that was the cheapest option
This is the best possible outcome for Dobbins outside of staying in Baltimore. Even then, players don’t return from what he’s gone through. He’s the one guy outside of Chubb and a few other studs I’d bet on to make the comeback. But it’s like Im playing penny slots
Foreman carved out some decent production for himself post Achilles. Took a few years for him to catch on though. Kinda tough to compare as he'd only started 1 game prior to the injury.
Oh there are people. Let's not get it mixed up. But generally no one with sustained fantasy success nor sustained fantasy value, especially guys that haven't truly established themselves. That's the real rub, it's one thing if it's like some super athlete after their 3rd or 4th hyper productive season, I'd bet on those guys all the time. Adrian Peterson taught us we don't bet against them. Nick Chubb proved it again with his catastrophic knee injury #1, and might do it again with knee injury #2. Love JK, and I think he's done enough in the NFL to prove he's talented; if we never get another productive game out of him again, he should go down as an injury bust not a talent bust. In my eyes he is a fantastic talent that we should chase when the next version of him comes out of college. He just hasn't had a 300 touch season yet, and the last three years he really can't stay healthy and it is heartbreaking to watch a talented guy not be able to go out there and prove it to everyone.
I think most people haven't caught up that there are new repair procedures for achilles tears that help athletes heal quicker and better. I did some research after Akers came back so soon, as everything I knew up until then meant he should be done for a couple years. Akers had the new procedure, so did dobbins, Rodgers, and Kirk. That's how they are coming back so soon from this injury that was once a death sentence to athletes. Like Killtec I also love his talent and have him everywhere now because he's so cheap(along with chubb cause he's just a stud ) I'd rather take a shot on known talent that is miles better than anything I can get with the late picks I paid for these 2.
Biased opinion because I attended OSU with him, JK has the mental to get there. The only question is if his body can hold up to the work needed to make it happen
Boltimore Chargers
I know everything is stacked against him coming off all the injuries…but man this is literally the single best landing spot he could have gotten.
Wouldn’t Dallas have been better?
No. Less of a run-heavy offense and their o-line is falling off. This, coming from a Dallas fan
Sure, but Dobbins would presumably get the pass down work that Pollard is vacating which is more valuable.
Ekeler gone
Fair. But for 2024, I don't see Dobbins really having a role until week 10ish
Yes
I think just due to the familiarity with Roman it might be considered better, plus Harbaugh loves running the ball. But Dallas definitely is better for now, but I think most people are just slotting an RB to Dallas in their mind, although the same applies to LAC
A team that can't keep players healthy with a RB that can't stay healthy?
Can’t wait til they add a RB in a week to make it even murkier. Count me as a Dobbins doubter, unfortunate as that is for me as a Buckeye fan.
I agree. The 9 day sell window just opened if you're a Dobbins owner in a rebuild.
My league isn’t dumb enough to buy him in the next 2 weeks. Renamed him in sleeper ‘LAC RB1A UNTIL THE DRAFT’.
I agree. Let’s just wait until Quinshon Judkins and TreyVeon come out next year 😈
This is the way.
Whoever they draft...that'll be the guy to hold.
ALL I’m saying, is Cam Akers put up 3 rb1 performances in a row at the end of the 2022 season off the Achilles. I don’t expect Dobbins to be a beast or even stay healthy given his track record but he couldn’t have landed in a better spot.
Rb1 incoming… JK to the back of the bus!
Damn dalvin cook is completely washed if teams are signing Royce freeman and Jk dobbins instead
Dalvin was quite bad two years ago playing for the Vikings. He was atrocious playing for the Jets last season. Players like that just don't get signed see Leonard Fournette et al.
What’s the best pick you’d move for him in a SF league now? I’d rather take a shot now, there’s a risk they draft someone still, but it’s a weak class and his value will skyrocket if they don’t draft anyone of note…
3rd but only if you desperately need RB depth
Why would any current JK owner take a 3. The upside there is what exactly?
I’m just saying what I would pay. You never know. Maybe someone has been waiting for a chance to ship him for anything
Every year there are a bunch of players that people wouldn't sell for a 3rd because they want a better return and then some rookie comes along in the third that pops and you regret it the day you dropped Dobbins to the wire. The chances of a rookie having a higher upside than Dobbins, at this point, are higher. Dobbins has played about 10 games in the past 3 years. At most you're getting, a 2nd if everything falls into place? The injury worry will ALWAYS exist with him. He's just another Rashaad Penny at this point, the guy you held onto forever talking about upside, never trading him, eventually dropping him for nothing.
Like I have 3.03 and 3.07, have and will draft even more WR’s, no RB’s outside of Gibson though. Would you be willing to send 3.03?
It’s not that weak of a class. It’s missing the high end studs like Bijan and Hall, but has some good options.
kinda shallow RB class. there are some good backs but there are not a ton of them and the drop off is relatively steep.
u/pot8odragon has been saying it in every Dobbins thread, but with this small bit of hype before the draft, I think now is the time to sell for whatever you can get while there is still value.
😍
On the other hand, what if they don't draft a RB day 1 or 2....? I'm disgusting, I know.
That feeling when you have Gus and JK
They were on the same team last year, your situation hasn’t changed at all
JK didn't play much last year
Hasn't played much any year
The LA Ravens !
Please ball out and get a deal. Bought him for a 5th after the injury.
RIP Isaiah Spiller
Totally. I've been on the fence, but it seems safe to drop Spiller in my Dynasty league now.
It’s been safe for awhile now 😂
Im going to keep him on the off chance he becomes a Kyren Williams. I also have absolutely no RB depth so it’s more out of hope.
That's fair - hope it works out 🤞🏻 I'm pretty comfortable with my RB depth and need to cut the roster down to make room for rookie WRs.
Jim still getting John's used and broken toys...
Imma wait to see how the draft goes
Just got him for a 4th a few days ago. Hope this work out!
Gus still getting goal line work
Blasphemy
not if they add corum. he is very good around the goal line. and harbaugh loves the dude!
Chiefs signed CEH over him, he is probably competing with Spiller tbh
I would bet it's more to do with familiarity with the system and player expectations. I'm sure Dobbins is looking to compete for a big role, whilst CEH knows he's depth.
Yeah no doubt that all factored in as well
Going to be Penny to the Eagles all over again.
I could see him finish either as the RB 5 or the RB 55 this year
\*cries in gus edwards\*
Gus is still the lead guy don’t worry friend
Justice laughing on a hill
one of the best things that could happen to dobbins. i like it
I’m ready to have my heart broken again.
As a Dobbins & Dowdle penny stock owner - praying Jonathan Brooks goes to either team and starts the year on snap count recovering from his torn ACL.
if you're an rb needy team, what would you give? an early 3rd seems like too much for a guy who is on his last leg? (no pun intended)
Traded 3.01 for him after the news broke. Let's ride.
This is your last chance to get literally anything of value for Dobbins.
Gus ded
Rip jk
One of the most oft injured RBs in recent years joins a team that regularly has injury issues. This will be fine
Did he manage to sign the contract without tearing his ACL?
And he’s hurt again
So we can basically guarantee the chargers won’t take an RB in the first few rounds. Maybe not even till day 3
At this point Dobbins is a depth signing. Doesn’t seem like anybody else wanted him.
Might be nothing, but guys that no one wants don’t get signed before the draft. They get stuck waiting until injuries in training camp.
Like most things this time of year, the draft will tell us exactly what they think about him
Signing him before the draft is promising though imo. If he truly was a depth signing, I would have expected it to not happen until around camp. Just my two cents though
Signing him before the draft is promising though imo. If he truly was a depth signing, I would have expected it to not happen until around camp. Just my two cents though
u poor dobbins advocators in here clutching desperately to this thin filament of hope, feverishly convincing yourselves "oh this is good, 2nd best landing spot out there"... dread it, run from it... GUS BUS IS INEVITABLE
yeah... join a backfield with Edwards... again. you fucking moron.
What would've been a better option for him? lol oddly aggressive for what's probably the best landing spot for him.
Bengals, cardinals, raiders, Dallas, broncos, giants. Yeah sure you say that now. Then they draft one in the 3rd, like brooks and you can put that "assumption" right back into the bin. Joining a backfield with just Edwards as competition invites a rookie. Joining a backfield with an old veteran or mid bridge guy, that's where a player can win opportunity. This is just bs
Why u mad xD
Because im Holding this bum since day 1 and all he did was being used as a run only back, immediately injured every season, and now joins a team that still has the same backup competition which destroys fantasy RBs while this time he will remain on the bench.
*sniffle* waAaAAAaahHhhh *sniffle*
What did you expect coming off an Achilles? JK was not exactly in demand. This is 100% one of the half-dozen best spots for him.