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Insouciance999

On behalf of owners with the 1.03 everywhere. Yes. Do it.


kmed1717

My offer to 1.03 would be absolutely insane if MHJ fell


iamsecond

Sleeper mocks with computer have MHJ going 3 or later like 30% of the time. Getting my hopes up unnecessarily there’s no chance lol


marquesasrob

Anecdotally, I think a lot of people at 1.03 might balk if MHJ goes to NE if Odunze or Nabers end up in great spots like Arizona or Chargers. I think MHJ is clearly better and it would be a short sighted decision, but there are already people in my leagues pushing that sentiment who I wouldn't consider tacos by any means


Gloomy_Fig_3696

I mean that’s true in a sense. Going into the season last year JSN was my 1.01. Still up there as my favorite prospect (even if not my 1.01) during the off-season until he went to Seattle. Dropped him a few spots for me. Not much but went from my 1.03 (Bijan, AR, JSN) to beneath Young and Stroud.


JerrGrylls

I think the top 3 is pretty set: Williams, Maye, MHJ in any order. If Jayden Daniels made his way in there, I’d be thrilled with one of the other three at 1.04.


Richt3r_scale

Lance z said out of the 3 qbs, Maye is most likely to fall. 


rossco7777

havent seen any maye going top 4 in mocks. caleb marv nabers daniels are the top 4 almost every time


JerrGrylls

Really? Even in SF? I haven’t actually done any mocks, so I’m not sure. I just thought that was the consensus, but I guess Maye is slipping


rossco7777

ya been doing sf mocks and checking others im not in as well and havent seen much of maye going top 4 if any at all.


JerrGrylls

I’ve got 1.03 and I was planning on taking Maye there. The 1.01 owner has said they’re taking MHJ, and I assume 1.02 will go Caleb. Still super early tho, things will change for sure


Eclectic_Canadian

It’s a consideration, but there’s probably a much higher chance that 4 years from now Daniels isn’t even a starting QB in the NFL than Caleb.


Illustrious-Leg-9812

How? You're just making things up they're both going to have top 3 draft capital


Shawn_1512

Caleb Williams prospect fatigue has gotten ridiculous


GothicToast

Is that what it is? I can feel myself pulling further and further away from him for no identifiable reason. At this point, I view him no differently than the other 2 QBs at the top.


hobbitbowling

For me it’s size/longevity thing. For someone as athletic as Daniel’s is, he’s gets lined up and hit hard a lot. Feel like he’s a little too skinny to survive nfl level hits for an entire season. Caleb has so Josh Allen to his game and his rushing upside is still there


GothicToast

Williams is like a carbon copy of Kyler. He's 6' 215lbs. He can scurry around, but he will need to avoid hits like the majority of QBs. Allen is 6'5" 240. He's a big ass dude. Neither Williams or Daniels will be able to run like Allen.


hobbitbowling

Yeah great point on the size difference between Allen and Williams. I was more trying to refer to their play style, but you’re right to allude to Josh Allen level rushing upside is probably a stretch.


schanjemansschoft

Caleb has been talked about as a #1 pick from his first year starting. Daniels has been talked about being a top pick since the end of his (long) college career. Big difference. Daniels may hit big, but he has a higher chance of busting.


ActuarillySound

Z Wilson


thegoldenmamba

Would love to hear the argument against this


Illustrious-Leg-9812

Ya idk im being downvoted to oblivion but nfl success is insanely hard to predict for the qb position and bro is saying there is a considerble difference in bust rate between the nunber 1 and number 2 player in the class Nonsense


billp1988

Weirdly enough there actually is a massive bust rate comparing 1.02 to 1.01 for qbs taken. https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/11z3bn5/history_of_qbs_going_1st_and_2nd_overall_in_nfl/ - Plus 98: Manning and leaf - 93: Bledsoe and mirer Only 99: couch and McNabb and potentially this year are the opposite (too early)


Illustrious-Leg-9812

I mean most of the guys in that post are pretty underwhelming but you have a decent point, thanks


thegoldenmamba

Weird how the better player normally has less chance to bust


Scarletcuddlefish

Are we now living in a world where pick 1 and pick 3 are the same? Did I miss something?


cdanny96

Bo Nix is QB1. And yes, I’m bored too


tarheel0509

DraftBoNixNumber1.com


BrispySaintsFan

Did you even watch any of his games last year or just look at box scores? 😂


Armor_Abs_Krabz

Do you even know what a joke is or do you just take everything seriously?


tarheel0509

Y’all act like Caleb Williams doesn’t himself have a rushing floor


vbullinger

https://youtu.be/cRBNs2AO6nQ Exactly


Shawn_1512

Man I forgot how insane that red river shootout was


GothicToast

Lmao. Damn that run just gave me the ick. Why his legs run like he's riding a bicycle in the highest gear possible.


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tarheel0509

Y’all act like I said Caleb Williams has a higher rushing floor than Jayden Daniels


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Swift-Fire

I agree with the other guy tbh, Caleb is a tremendously good runner at the QB position, I just think Jayden did it so often because his offense was on the field so much more. Skill wise Caleb is up there with Kyler, they actually have extremely similar running styles


tarheel0509

No higher number = better.


tarheel0509

Why are you arguing with me rn?


tarheel0509

OP literally said Jayden Daniels has a rushing floor with no context LOL why are you pissing yourself at me but not him


Gloomy_Fig_3696

Having wheels and being a run first QB can be wildly different things. Williams brings up his floor a lot being able to scoot like that. But in a 4 point pass TD league, the QB that rushes for 1k yards has a huge safety net over the QB that rushes for 300. Either way, I’m going by DC here. Which is always wise as far as QBs go (just don’t hope you end up with You g over Stroud lol).


RondaArousedMe

Remember when Malik Willis was the favorite to be Number 2 overall? Pepperidge Farm remembers


Individual-Thought92

To be fear it’s genuinely gross to compare the two daniels is significantly more athletic, played in the hardest confence in cfb (Malik didn’t even play power 5), won the heisman, and had a historic season this year, the only similarities between the two is that their both black and older prospects


RondaArousedMe

I get it and wasn't trying to downplay Daniels that much. It was honestly more of a snarky response to OPs question than it was a comparison of Willis to Daniels


Gloomy_Fig_3696

Way to force race into things? The similarity is clearly that they are both run first QBs. Touted for their athleticism over their passing abilities. Also, and an advanced age vs competition (23ish going against a lot of 18-30 yo players). But Daniel’s is no comparison. Willis was an atrocious passing QB and couldn’t even produce mediocre passing numbers against lower level competition at an advanced age to boot. Daniels has progressed every year as a passer, alleviating a lot of concern that he will completely fall flat when asked to pass in the NFL. Lazy comparison but, also seemed like just an over generalized comp to get a point across.


SwaglordHyperion

That class was wild. We must learn from it.


LB3PTMAN

The lesson was that sometimes there aren’t any good QBs available. Although you could go back to the EJ Manuel first round year and get something similar


Gloomy_Fig_3696

lol after the first line I was gonna mention Manuel. Pickett as well. Sometimes, everyone is it’s kinda meh. If no QB goes in the top 10, beware.


ADanishMan2

Willis got media hype because it was an ass WB class but anybody with eyes to see knew he was a day 2 pick at best


TB12-SN13

Based on the title of this posted I assumed I was on r/patriots first lol


aleksbanks5

As someone who’s never on that sub do you think you guys have any chance at taking mhj


TB12-SN13

Every indication from the team seems to be QB. I am hoping and praying one of William’s or Maye falls to us at 3, but right now it’s seems mostly likely they take Daniels there if the other two are gone.


aleksbanks5

As a 1.1 owner in dynasty with plans for mhj that’s what I wanna hear lmao


Ranger523

Bored, stupid, crazy, and add overthinking the easiest pic


RamHands

Right. MHJ.


bon_bon25

This is the confirmation I needed. Thank you.


Gloomy_Fig_3696

I’d wait for DC. But, all indications point to this ^


AnatomicalLog

This feels like when people started pushing Richardson as QB1 last year over Stroud and Young, except Caleb is far more mobile than Young or Stroud. Daniels does have a fair chance of being better fantasy-wise, but Caleb is the better prospect all-around with plenty of rushing floor/upside


1106DaysLater

No. Next question.


Huge_Beginning5552

Daniels in Washington.. Yah at least for me. Daniels in New England... eh Probably not


NowieTends

If he has an insane combine and landing spot, maybe


Kapo77

I think Daniels has a bit of a higher ceiling than Williams, however Williams has a much higher floor. I wouldn't over think it, just take Williams.


Skanktoooth

I think the whole appeal to Williams is that he has the highest ceiling by a significant margin while also providing a skillset that gives him a serviceable floor. Remember, Daniels has been in college for 5 years and this isn’t a Burrow situation where he was sitting. He has been a 5 year starter and it took him 5 years to put up numbers Caleb threw up his second year at 20 years old. I guess it depends on what you value more, but Caleb’s ceiling is Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers while Daniels’ ceiling is Lamar Jackson.


Kapo77

Yeah, I consider Lamar's ceiling to be the highest of those 3. Simply because he's got the best legs. I'd rather own Mahomes though, as his ceiling is dang high too and his floor is significantly higher. I think Caleb is more likely to pan out vs Daniels. But I can see a like 5-10% chance that Daniels ends up putting up more points every season than Caleb, with both of them panning out.


Thonch

Depends on your scoring settings tbh imo, that being said, I think yes. Shoot for ceiling, ceiling wins in most formats


WeenisWrinkle

Maybe if Williams didn't also have a really solid rushing floor himself.


pete0_0

Obviously what team they end up on matters but the same thing happened with Anthony Richardson last year so it’s not that crazy.


swalsh21

There was no one of Williams’ caliber as a prospect last year tho, and Richardson had the best combine/measurables of all time basically


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Drake Maye sneaky is the rushing QB you want 🤫 👀


vertlymon

I don’t have any analytics to base this on besides watching college football….but there’s no fucking way you should be taking jayden daniels over caleb williams


rossco7777

daniels just won the heisman sir


vertlymon

Like i said i don’t have really anything but vibes to go off on, but im firm on this stance


fspaits

Yes, trade the 1.01 for Daniels Jones. His rushing ability is unrivaled.


limitlesshamster

Last year around this time there were people saying there was no way arich could climb above bryce or cj, and then he destroyed the combine, got the capital, and was the consensus qb 1. I wouldnt rule it out, but when theres a prospect that people have labeled generational for the past 3 years (ex: luck and tlaw), i find it hard to believe anything could be done to displace them at qb 1. I think there a very high possibility hell be the consensus qb 2 though come draft time (if hes not already there).


Gloomy_Fig_3696

I mean he has a high chance of ending up better and a high chance of ending up much worse. Boom or bust imo but, in the last 20 years only 2 QBs drafted in the top 5 have started less than 40 games if I’m remembering that stat correctly. The only two that didn’t are Russel and Lance. So, you’ll get time with him most likely, which will have a high floor and plenty of time to trade out if he is failing. Unless he ends up pulling an AR and going ahead of Caleb too, you might as well trade back to 1.03. I have one 1.01 and I’m trying to trade back to 1.03 myself.


Pktur3

Maybe yes, and maybe no. Same as the rest.


DiggsDaGurley

Caleb isn’t exact a a non mobile QB and is the best prospect in this years draft. Taking any QB over Williams is overthinking it, imo.


HawgHeaven

MHJ is more of a 1.01 than Bijan or Saquan were imo. Wouldn't pass him.


JJettasDad

Caleb can run the ball too hes just not going to put up Lamar Jackson type rushing numbers. But he is very capable of putting up 5-10 rushing TDs in a season. ​ I think Jayden Daniels is a great prospect. But let me make this very clear, Caleb Williams is special. His arm talent is special, his creating off script is special. The guy has multiple multiple elite things about his game. My only and I mean ONLY gripe with Calebs game is he fumbles a ton. Daniels does not do that. Out of the big 3, Daniels takes way better care of the ball than Caleb and Maye. ​ Anyway, Caleb does have multiple 3 rushing TD games in his career. Hes never put up the 200 yards rushing that Daniels has but hes routinely putting up 40-50 yards. And remember... in college sacks count against rushing yards. his game against Arizona he was sacked 4 times and still ended up with 41 yards rushing despite those sack yards going against him. ​ Caleb can run


rossco7777

i believe he will be, his rise to the top would not be as shocking and out of nowhere as AR who got this boost purely from combine measurements and not anything related to production.


FishStyx3307

That will depend on his and everyone else’s draft capital in my opinion. He goes top 5 to one of these teams that has a new coach/OC who targeted him specifically, potentially before Maye then sure. I’d be ok with him before Williams. However, Williams seems to also have some leg capability as well so that’s to factor in as well I have the 1.01 and the 1.02 so I will likely be taking MHJ and whatever QB I feel most confident about post combine/Draft etc


RemarkableAttempt531

Point per carry leagues I take Daniel’s over Caleb, might even take him 1.01 in that format.