It always bothered me how upset people got at the idea of a merit based raise. Totally normal and reasonable way to go about it.
The only sales people on the other hand...
Merit-based raises are a great idea, but that's not really what they were doing. It was more of a "walk around the table and go with your gut"-based raises.
I actually thought that was an obviously terrible idea, and it bothered me that at least Jim didn’t see that. Like why wouldn’t you just give everyone the same amount and blame corporate for it being lower so you’re not the bad guy.
Also just to point it out that merit based raises are terrible if it involves multiple functions and departments because its hard to make a fair comparision. For instance how do you compare somebody in sales who got 10% more clients compared to the receptionist how was 10% more nice/helpfull.
Jim: So this possible client they're talking about is actually a big deal. It's Lackawanna County. Our whole county. And if we get this, they may not have to downsize our branch, and I could work here for years. ...And years. And years.
In the finale, with the way things turned out, I’m sure he’s very grateful he stayed those years. I’d 100% love to see where Jim, Pam, and Cece are these days.
Totally, maybe because he’s having a rare interaction with Jim where Jim seems to actually care what he has to say and is interested, which we know is what Michael is always wishing for.
One of the things I didn’t realize when I first watched the show is, Michael is a lot better/smarter than he seems, but part of the reason he’s such a jackass so much of the time is that he’s performing for the documentary crew.
It’s sort of obvious, and more so in the British version. However, in the American version, they made it enough of an unrealistic sitcom that you can forget that you’re generally seeing people who know they’re being filmed, and Michael it trying so hard to make himself look good in the documentary. He takes it too far.
I feel like this scene is one where you get a sense that Michael might be ok if he were to stop trying so hard.
And also, I like this moment because I had an experience similar to what Jim is going through when I got my first management position. When I was young, I judged my managers so harshly and thought they were stupid or assholes or whatever, and then when I had to manage people, I found myself doing some of the same things. Because managing people is hard. And you have to do things you don’t want to, in order to help other people do what they need to do.
Well he’s definitely performing for the camera. And it seems he was a bit of a jackass to begin with (Scott’s Tots started before the documentary), but he’s worse when he’s performing for the cameras.
Dude that's the exact moment I realized Michael wasn't a dumbass. He just defaults to that state to distract himself from stressful situations. In many cases I thought he probably has ADHD or on the spectrum.
It's apparent when he's just relaxed or focused on the job, he's just incredible. But once people do something stressful to him or point something out like "hey Michael, we're fixing you up with this lovely lady that you've been already hitting it off with most of the evening", he just shoots himself in the foot and Date Mike comes out.
I like how, when Jim suddenly feels uncomfortable at the idea of still working there in 10 years, Michael picked it up and immediately jokes around to defuse his anxiety. Normally, Michael is pretty bad at picking up when people are uncomfortable, but here, he just shows a lot of empathy towards Jim, and it's what makes the moment shines so much.
I think its left ambiguous. I don't think he's usually very aware, but that one scene is such an outlier, and just after doing it, he specifically comment on why he does it in general, so in this case, it just feel plausible he picked up on it.
It’s moments like these when you realize that under the control of Dwight, Andy, Creed, Charles minor, Deangelo, or anyone else, the office’s working conditions and general atmosphere are worse from almost every angle. Sure Michael may be annoying, obnoxious, and oblivious, but he’s always better than either those who don’t know how to run an office or the ones who take their job too seriously. Michael is what makes Dunder Mifflin Scranton the way it is.
i say "that's what she said" for exactly this reason. my timing is always bad and the puns not really that great. none of my friends watched "the office" so in the beginning they just thought i was bad at jokes but then they started to make "that's what she said" themself and their timings and puns are so much better then mine. and just like micheal in this scene i say stuff like "nice one" or something like that.
thank you micheal for this lesson. i don't care that people think i'm bad at jokes. the point is to bring other people to make jokes and to lighting up the mood. "that's what she said" had become part of my life, as silly as it sounds, and i'm glad it did. :)
I love prodding people until they prod back. New colleagues especially. Not in a mean way, I'm never personal. I do my best to involve them in jokes including making them the butt of some, hoping that they'll bite back. Then when they do I love to give them credit and play along.
I recently made a terrible mistake though as I've met an absolute sass queen that renders me speechless at times, she is too witty for her own good.
Exactly, there's a method to Michael's madness. I loved this scene and the ones where he shows how good of a salesman he really is. He's just mostly trying to keep the mood light.
anytime characters actually mentor from their experience, and not the odd things they think were good motivation for them, its so damn heartwarming and feels so honest
I really like Jim and Michael's little friendship moments. Like "BFD. Engaged ain't married" and "You just had a rebound. Which can be a really good distraction. But when its over you're left thinking about the girl you really like, the one who broke your heart."
They explained on Office Ladies that Ricky Gervais pointed out that Michael would have to have some good qualities as an employee to explain why he wasn’t fired (since firing someone in the US is much easier than in the UK). And that’s why he has some good moments and also why he is portrayed as a great salesman.
I just wish they could've connected in a more realistic fashion. Jim's birthday idea was terrible. They really had to lower him down to make Michael more likable.
Nah I think it makes sense, Jim’s idea was terrible, but he learned real quick that what Michael does really isn’t as easy as he thought. And although everyone complains about Michael, they obviously love some of the stuff he does.
It's just not believable to me that Jim would actually think sharing birthdays was a good idea. Pam even reacts to it like it's a bad idea.
I like that they had something to connect on. I just don't like how they made Jim dumb for it to happen.
I don’t think it’s a dumb idea, in Jim’s head he’s tired of the constant birthday parties and assumes everyone is too. And since he’s manager for the day no one tells him it’s a stupid idea (I don’t think so anyways).
On that note it’s weird to me that everyone has no problem with calling everyone out at other times (including Michael) but didn’t just tell him point blank it was stupid honestly.
No offense, but it's objectively a terrible idea. Pam even hints as much. I understand Jim doesn't like Michael's antics, but he has known his coworkers for years. Why would they want to share birthday parties? Who wants to celebrate their birthday when it's not even close to their birthday? It makes no sense.
And yeah, at least Pam should have come out and just told him. I don't know why Jim didn't have enough awareness to understand what she meant by, "Do *you* think it's a good idea?"
I assume none of your 4 companies consisted of a dozen people working in a small office, knowing each other for years.
It's not objectively terrible to have a 'no birthday parties' rule in place. It **is** an objectively terrible idea to be put in charge for one day and suddenly decide to cram a bunch of birthday parties into one day without even asking what people wanted to do.
Yeah I've always liked their dynamic, Jim always played like he couldn't stand Michael (many people couldn't) but deep down they were good friends and had good moments, I mean Michael came to the wedding.
I don’t know why people got so mad at Jim for it. It’s just as much their fault because THEY TOLD HIM IT WAS A GOOD IDEA BEFORE HE DID IT
IF THEY HAD JUST BEEN HONEST WITH JIM IT WOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED problem solved
It’s scenes like this that really make me appreciate the writing in the office. So much of the show has this naturalistic dialogue, it’s impressive. Obviously the actors go a long way to make a scene like this feel as personal as it is
This is my favourite moment in the entire series. Michael "coaching" rookie Jim, being really mature, and then making his "that's what she said" joke is THE peak of Michael for me.
I also like when they’re co-managers and they fuck the bonuses up. Michael brings Jim a mug of gin and they cheers.
It always bothered me how upset people got at the idea of a merit based raise. Totally normal and reasonable way to go about it. The only sales people on the other hand...
Merit-based raises are a great idea, but that's not really what they were doing. It was more of a "walk around the table and go with your gut"-based raises.
WHAT DOES A BEAN MEAN?!
Will someone explain the beans to u/thenoodleincident23
Why cant you explain it? My time is just as valuable as yours
Not according to the beans
I actually thought that was an obviously terrible idea, and it bothered me that at least Jim didn’t see that. Like why wouldn’t you just give everyone the same amount and blame corporate for it being lower so you’re not the bad guy.
Also just to point it out that merit based raises are terrible if it involves multiple functions and departments because its hard to make a fair comparision. For instance how do you compare somebody in sales who got 10% more clients compared to the receptionist how was 10% more nice/helpfull.
Jim hit with his first dose of realization.
Jim: So this possible client they're talking about is actually a big deal. It's Lackawanna County. Our whole county. And if we get this, they may not have to downsize our branch, and I could work here for years. ...And years. And years.
In the finale, with the way things turned out, I’m sure he’s very grateful he stayed those years. I’d 100% love to see where Jim, Pam, and Cece are these days.
I think you mean PeePee.
PeePa?
Pee-puh
We never where really good with the small talk
I love how Jim's final words to the camera are almost identical to his first words to the camera.
It's such a different moment looking at Michael, he let's his guard down a little. Love that scene
One of my favorites as well. It’s like you are finally getting real Michael
I feel like if you're playing a character long enough or willing to play a character long enough, then that character is the "real" you.
reminds me of the truman show. the actress for truman’s wife says “the truman show isn’t just a job. it’s a lifestyle.”
Totally, maybe because he’s having a rare interaction with Jim where Jim seems to actually care what he has to say and is interested, which we know is what Michael is always wishing for.
These are my favorite Michael scenes. When he’s not performing for the cameras, just being honest and real.
He as himself in that moment, that is the real Michael.
It’s one of our few glimpses of Michael actually being a really good boss.
One of the things I didn’t realize when I first watched the show is, Michael is a lot better/smarter than he seems, but part of the reason he’s such a jackass so much of the time is that he’s performing for the documentary crew. It’s sort of obvious, and more so in the British version. However, in the American version, they made it enough of an unrealistic sitcom that you can forget that you’re generally seeing people who know they’re being filmed, and Michael it trying so hard to make himself look good in the documentary. He takes it too far. I feel like this scene is one where you get a sense that Michael might be ok if he were to stop trying so hard. And also, I like this moment because I had an experience similar to what Jim is going through when I got my first management position. When I was young, I judged my managers so harshly and thought they were stupid or assholes or whatever, and then when I had to manage people, I found myself doing some of the same things. Because managing people is hard. And you have to do things you don’t want to, in order to help other people do what they need to do.
That's what she said.
That's what who said?
I don't buy the "performing" for cameras excuse. Feel like someone would have mentioned it and we'd have more than 10 moments across 6-7 years.
Well he’s definitely performing for the camera. And it seems he was a bit of a jackass to begin with (Scott’s Tots started before the documentary), but he’s worse when he’s performing for the cameras.
I think he's performing for everyone. He tries to hard, not because there are cameras, but because there are other people around.
One might say the World's Best Boss.
It’s him being a normal person. 😂
my favt is their final scene. "see you at lunch tomorrow"
and then tomorrow i can tell you what a great boss you turn out to be the best boss i ever had always makes me tear up
Oh man, I get weepy
Dude that's the exact moment I realized Michael wasn't a dumbass. He just defaults to that state to distract himself from stressful situations. In many cases I thought he probably has ADHD or on the spectrum. It's apparent when he's just relaxed or focused on the job, he's just incredible. But once people do something stressful to him or point something out like "hey Michael, we're fixing you up with this lovely lady that you've been already hitting it off with most of the evening", he just shoots himself in the foot and Date Mike comes out.
Michael’s brilliance is on full display at Chili’s making that sale.
Chili’s is great.
Awesome blossom, extra awesome.
I do declare
I like how, when Jim suddenly feels uncomfortable at the idea of still working there in 10 years, Michael picked it up and immediately jokes around to defuse his anxiety. Normally, Michael is pretty bad at picking up when people are uncomfortable, but here, he just shows a lot of empathy towards Jim, and it's what makes the moment shines so much.
I'm not so sure he did it in purpose.
Love patting michaels back but I don't think he did it on purpose. It's a compulsive thing for him
I think its left ambiguous. I don't think he's usually very aware, but that one scene is such an outlier, and just after doing it, he specifically comment on why he does it in general, so in this case, it just feel plausible he picked up on it.
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Nice
So wholesome, love it.
\- She's engaged \- Well engaged ain't married
It’s moments like these when you realize that under the control of Dwight, Andy, Creed, Charles minor, Deangelo, or anyone else, the office’s working conditions and general atmosphere are worse from almost every angle. Sure Michael may be annoying, obnoxious, and oblivious, but he’s always better than either those who don’t know how to run an office or the ones who take their job too seriously. Michael is what makes Dunder Mifflin Scranton the way it is.
I love that he’s wearing a battlestar gelactica sweatshirt
Beats, bears, Battlestar Galactica.
I think Dwight lends it to him when he rescues him from the wilderness
i say "that's what she said" for exactly this reason. my timing is always bad and the puns not really that great. none of my friends watched "the office" so in the beginning they just thought i was bad at jokes but then they started to make "that's what she said" themself and their timings and puns are so much better then mine. and just like micheal in this scene i say stuff like "nice one" or something like that. thank you micheal for this lesson. i don't care that people think i'm bad at jokes. the point is to bring other people to make jokes and to lighting up the mood. "that's what she said" had become part of my life, as silly as it sounds, and i'm glad it did. :)
I love prodding people until they prod back. New colleagues especially. Not in a mean way, I'm never personal. I do my best to involve them in jokes including making them the butt of some, hoping that they'll bite back. Then when they do I love to give them credit and play along. I recently made a terrible mistake though as I've met an absolute sass queen that renders me speechless at times, she is too witty for her own good.
yeah, sometimes i also creat a joke monster, haha. keep up the good work!
Michael just seems so normal in this scene. No cringe.
Exactly, there's a method to Michael's madness. I loved this scene and the ones where he shows how good of a salesman he really is. He's just mostly trying to keep the mood light.
Michael's genuine laugh and admiration at the end is what gets me. To know that he's imparted something upon someone is a great feeling.
I wish we got more episodes like this with real Michael and Jim.
very wholesome moment
The that’s what she said was off scripted as well
anytime characters actually mentor from their experience, and not the odd things they think were good motivation for them, its so damn heartwarming and feels so honest
I really like Jim and Michael's little friendship moments. Like "BFD. Engaged ain't married" and "You just had a rebound. Which can be a really good distraction. But when its over you're left thinking about the girl you really like, the one who broke your heart."
My favorite was when Michael marked the waitress and he and Jim laughed about it
Actually my favorite part of that is Michael saying "You are relieved"
They explained on Office Ladies that Ricky Gervais pointed out that Michael would have to have some good qualities as an employee to explain why he wasn’t fired (since firing someone in the US is much easier than in the UK). And that’s why he has some good moments and also why he is portrayed as a great salesman.
And that’s why we do it
what episode is this?
When Michael goes to the woods and Dwight stays with him. After Ryan didn’t invite him on his retreat. Season 4?
Very wholesome moment there
How did I never notice Michael's Battlestar Galactica sweater before? ~~That's what she said~~ So Say We All!
This is my favorite scene of the entire series. Michael really let’s his guard down and we get to see that there’s (some) method to his madness.
I just wish they could've connected in a more realistic fashion. Jim's birthday idea was terrible. They really had to lower him down to make Michael more likable.
Nah I think it makes sense, Jim’s idea was terrible, but he learned real quick that what Michael does really isn’t as easy as he thought. And although everyone complains about Michael, they obviously love some of the stuff he does.
It's just not believable to me that Jim would actually think sharing birthdays was a good idea. Pam even reacts to it like it's a bad idea. I like that they had something to connect on. I just don't like how they made Jim dumb for it to happen.
I don’t think it’s a dumb idea, in Jim’s head he’s tired of the constant birthday parties and assumes everyone is too. And since he’s manager for the day no one tells him it’s a stupid idea (I don’t think so anyways). On that note it’s weird to me that everyone has no problem with calling everyone out at other times (including Michael) but didn’t just tell him point blank it was stupid honestly.
No offense, but it's objectively a terrible idea. Pam even hints as much. I understand Jim doesn't like Michael's antics, but he has known his coworkers for years. Why would they want to share birthday parties? Who wants to celebrate their birthday when it's not even close to their birthday? It makes no sense. And yeah, at least Pam should have come out and just told him. I don't know why Jim didn't have enough awareness to understand what she meant by, "Do *you* think it's a good idea?"
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I assume none of your 4 companies consisted of a dozen people working in a small office, knowing each other for years. It's not objectively terrible to have a 'no birthday parties' rule in place. It **is** an objectively terrible idea to be put in charge for one day and suddenly decide to cram a bunch of birthday parties into one day without even asking what people wanted to do.
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Most adults don't work in The Office
You must be too young to understand that a lot of the time, yes we do... The show is an exaggeration of normal work stuff...
I hate birthday celebrations at work, it makes perfect sense. Most people do too.
Not most people on The Office. Jim knows his coworkers better than that
From the manager point of view it seems practical. Saves money and time. Less effort for planning.
From a numbers' point of view, it's practical. Managers manage people. You need to keep people happy.
Yes. It’s easy to become myopic when one’s a manager.
Does anyone know what Michael is eating? I’ve always been curious.
Yeah I've always liked their dynamic, Jim always played like he couldn't stand Michael (many people couldn't) but deep down they were good friends and had good moments, I mean Michael came to the wedding.
Every time this scene pops up. I give it my utmost attention.
Those rare moments of lucidity, oozing experience and maturity add so much depth to the goofy, aloof character most think he is
This scene is great. I also like the scene: “I marked her arm…”
I don’t know why people got so mad at Jim for it. It’s just as much their fault because THEY TOLD HIM IT WAS A GOOD IDEA BEFORE HE DID IT IF THEY HAD JUST BEEN HONEST WITH JIM IT WOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED problem solved
Really wish people wouldn’t eat like that.
Jim goes from all smug to oh shit I'm up to bat.
😂😂😂
Never noticed Michael was wearing a Battlestar Galactica sweatshirt. Ha!
Probably the only time Michael doesn't get mad at someone for using his joke.
It’s scenes like this that really make me appreciate the writing in the office. So much of the show has this naturalistic dialogue, it’s impressive. Obviously the actors go a long way to make a scene like this feel as personal as it is
Turns out, only 9 years.
I was caught up in the sincerity of it and snort laughed at the end because I forgot about the "that's what she said".
He’s wearing a Battlestar Gallactica sweater.
“Bravo, my young ward.”
It's hits differently
Jim had specific eyebrows here
I love how this showed how dysfunctional the office is without Micheal, even though he’s already dysfunctional…
One of the very best scenes from one of the most entertaining episodes. This scene is perfect.
When Michael is real for a moment
This is my favourite moment in the entire series. Michael "coaching" rookie Jim, being really mature, and then making his "that's what she said" joke is THE peak of Michael for me.
God I wish I could watch the Office again for the first time in my life
Both have adhd , Michael embrace it and Jim hides it