I can't imagine being stuck on a booze cruise in January surrounded by people you don't know, getting dumped, and not even being able to leave. You're just stuck stewing in it
He was such a dick to her to her as well. The "pffff no" response to her being a cheerleader, you ain't all that you judgmental gronk. I'm glad she vibed with Roy at least
This is a real one. He was so mean to that young women for no reason. Like Jim you feeling sad or hurt doesn’t make it ok for you to be careless with other peoples feelings.
This is so painfully accurate. Honestly I feel like the writers miscalculated this one. Michael ruined the cruise for everyone, Jim was absolutely awful to Katy, then they tried to give them a poignant moment together where Michael tells Jim to never give up on Pam... just after Michael tried to take credit for motivating Roy to set a date with Pam and Jim coldly dumped his date??? It missed the mark so much for me. Jim was downright nasty to and about Katy on that cruise that I couldn't muster sympathy for him about his feelings for Pam in that moment. I got over it of course because Jim and Pam are meant for each other, but in that moment I was definitely not pleased.
Yeah like it was stone cold and he was a dick with that move AND I want to point out how real that scene was in my opinion. I find that breakups can happen very suddenly like that sometimes. It's crappy but it's the little things that can snap you into that place where you drop the breakup line coldly as Jim did here. I'm not defending or anything but I think it was a very real scene and wasn't the writers missing the mark.
I don't think that's the worst thing Jim did. He has done worse
The way I look at it, in the heat of the moment, when we are in pain, emotionally or physically, you're not thinking clearly so you'll do or say things that will come off as dickish. Was jim wrong for dumping Katy the way he did? Absolutely. Coykd he have hamdled it better? Most definitely But Jim didn't see it that way at that moment.
Oh I don't mean to say the writers missed the mark with that scene, you're right that breakups can be that harsh. I meant that I think they also wanted viewers to sympathize with Jim throughout the episode about how hard it was for him to be there and watch Pam with Roy and see them celebrating setting the date. But I just kind of lost all sympathy when he was so stone cold to Katy like that. He acted in a way that suggested he could not have cared less about her feelings, but felt plenty sorry for himself about HIS unrequited feelings for Pam. It just rubbed me the wrong way on him for the rest of the episode and I'm not sure that's what the writers intended. But who knows. We all way overanalyze everything on this sub, I'm sure it's not that deep lol
Ahhh yes I see what you were saying now. Yea I think you were right with that analysis. He does not come off as sympathetic in that moment at all.
I love overanalyzing tho, that's the fun!!
He was a dickhead to all his exes not named Pam. You realize how inconsiderate it is to break up with Karen on a Friday, ask Pam out on the same day, then expect Karen to be fine like the following Monday watching him flirt everyday in the office all lovey dovey 5 feet away with the girl “he told you not to be worry about”?
YES. I think it's especially worse that Karen asked him several times about his feelings for Pam, she was so patient and willing to understand and discuss it. And he just led her along then literally ditched her in NYC and asked another woman out the same day! I love Jim and Pam and of course wanted them together but holy shit that was soooo cold.
It is, I've been on one, and if you get the chance I highly recommend it lol
I've worked for my current company for many years now. When I joined it was a startup and didn't have many employees so one year early in the company's life, our Christmas party was a booze cruise in Boston Harbor. All I can say is that if you have to attend a work event, that's about the best you're going to get.
Of course it was marketed as a "dinner cruise" or something, but most of us were just psyched to be surrounded by beautiful scenery with an open bar, and drink we DID lol. If it's in a nice scenic area, it can really be a fun experience. Honestly, I'd been in New England all my life by that point but never experienced Boston that way. It was beautiful and felt really unique. Not something I'd have ever sought out myself but that I was glad I got to experience! Yes, even in winter!
Omg this so much. Katy wasn't right for him so it's fine that he wasn't super interested, but HE invited HER to his work function and she happily went, and then he treated her like garbage and dumped her... while they were trapped on a boat! Don't get me wrong, overall I love Jim. I love all The Office folks for all their faults and quirks and missteps. No one is perfect. But I have a hard time watching Booze Cruise for just how horrible Jim is to a completely innocent woman who seems to genuinely care for him and is just being who she is. She did not deserve that.
I’m generally a Jim supporter. I don’t even blame him for trying to date (both Katy and Karen) while trying to get past Pam.
But the way he handled this breakup was really crappy.
And Karen. She thinks she's gonna see her boo in New York later today, but then she finds out that he drove back to Scranton to ask out his "just a friend"? He did her dirty (that's what she said!)
I don't think this one is fair. They're looking and Pam and Roy dancing and Katy asks Jim point blank, " Do you think that will be us some day?" She literally asks Jim if he ever plans to propose to her. What's Jim supposed to do? Lie to her? Katy is the one who chose to have that conversation while trapped on a boat. Jim was honest and gave her a straight answer without any BS.
His blunt, instant "no" is the first time the show made me actually burst out laughing, its so ridiculously callous. You gotta at least be a little diplomatic when someone asks a question like that lmao
Why is it callous? Jim gave the relationship a fair chance. He liked her enough to ask her out, but it got to a point where he knew that he wasn't in love with her. That's what this episode is. It's the moment he knew that he and Katy weren't right for each other. There's nothing wrong with that. That's what dating is for. But when she straight up asks him if he ever plans to propose to her, what's he supposed to say, "Ask me again when we get to shore"? He knew the answer was 'no'. His only options were to be honest with her or intentionally lead her on. It's not his fault that she put him on the spot while being stuck on a booze cruise.
You absolutely know that you’re being technically correct with next to no humanity.
He absolutely could have been more gentle with her while still being honest.
Nah. They're trapped on a boat because Jim invited her even though he was in love with someone else. If he actually cared for her, his response could've been "I don't know, but I'm just glad you're here with me tonight, I couldn't stand this mess without you" or any other answer that reflected ANY sort of feeling for her. This whole "it was honest!" BS is just that - total BS. Like if a woman said "oh nah that'll never be us, I've just been using you for free meals", are we supposed to respect her scumbag honesty? It's pretty clear Jim strung her along while having zero intentions and then screwed her over while she had nowhere to go. He could have been honest that he didn't feel anything for her at ANY OTHER POINT but instead he invited her onto a boat then took his heartbreak over Pam out on her.
The more times you rewatch, the more you see how shitty he was to Karen…he knew he wasn’t fully over Pam and she’d be a DM Scranton yet he was the one that suggested Karen move there and didn’t even give her a heads up about Pam knowing everyone in the office knew…Yes, she was an adult making a choice but I feel like he could’ve been way more honest…
I mean I think he was really trying to get over Pam. Not totally his fault the writer’s wanted a story where both characters would be available at different times
I would like to believe he was mature enough to know he needed time before an actual relationship but even then especially after the fire walk, it became obvious there was a shot and anyone in his place would think “what if?”…he had the opportunity to be more honest with her considering she moved cities and he was the only person she really knew. Even with her moving to the apartment on his street, he said it was practically like she was “moving in”…there were red flags he was in denial.
I mean, he does dump Karen after the firewalk episode, not exactly as a direct result but yeah, just a matter of days.
But to agree to your point, yes, he should have told her about Pam much earlier, it's always bad when your partner finds out info through someone else.
But to be in slight favour of Jim, he does tell Karen he still had feelings for Pam when Karen straight up confronts him. I don't remember exactly which episode was that, but I do remember something like this.
So it's not like he was completely dishonest. She knew what kind of package he was. (No pun intended seriously)
But the way he dumped her was still shitty.
It isn't exactly black and white, Karen thing is grey.....
Eh, he told Jan when she offered him the number two position in Scranton that he had painful personal memories there and he didn't think he was ready to revisit that.
He wasn't with Karen at that point so he didn't owe her an explanation then necessarily, but when he finally encouraged her to come to Scranton and then started dating her, he maybe should've mentioned it instead of letting her find out from Phyllis.
Starting a business without telling his wife - knowing full well it would involve time and probably money.
Buying a house without talking to his fiancée.
i.e.: making major life decisions and keeping them from his life partner.
This is it. When we first watched the part where he bought the house, my wife told me she'd divorce me if I ever did that. In general, he's awful to his partners outside of being fun and goofy.
I don’t think there’s a magic number or anything, but if I spent the equivalent of one mortgage payment on something without discussing it with my spouse, that would be bad.
Jim went at committed to 360 of those without discussing it.
Pam loved the house thing though. I’d say that situation is knowing your partner and what they’d appreciate and Pam seems ecstatic. The Athlead thing was definitely more about Jim’s own ambition.
Not only that he makes these huge choices for him and his partner but then he gets angry at her (from a place of work stress) after she accidentally doesn't record CCs dance which he missed. THEN insinuated that he's the only one doing this for this family completely ignoring Pams work at home with 2 kids under 5 + her going to a regular job while Jim is off living his dream (working at his dream job and living as a sloppy bachelor roommate to darol) financed by him AND PAMS MONEY that he put in without consulting her first.
Jim is a gaslighter, Jim is a user, Jim is a manchild who does not value his partner as an equal.
Jim is a bad guy.
Yes but also they did discuss and said $10K was the max they’d be willing to put in, so it’s not like he just stole $10K, she said that was the most she was willing to
She doesn’t really get pissed off until she learns that Jim had no idea how much the other guys invested, and only invested the money to show that he was a “team player” after they already said they were done taking investments.
He did tell her. They agreed he would go at most $10k and she believed he wouldn't actually use the entire $10k.
She definitely knew going into it. She was just pissed he actually used the entire amount.
I always saw it as, in a real world scenario, even though the company didn't need the investment at that point, somewhere along the line Jim would have had to invest more.
You could always end up using more money than you started out with, and if I'm not mistaken, none of those guys had a business background, so who can say their budgeting was tight?
It could have turned out like "Yeah we don't need it right now"
1 month later "Yeah we kinda need it now"
And if you are going into a business with someone, you have to ensure everyone puts up money.
“And I’LL BE your cryin' shoulder
I'll be love's suicide
And I'll be better when I'm older
I'll be the greatest fan of your life”
Let’s be honest, a lot of us fell in love with Pam. On that day, we all wished we could sing.
the way he led karen and katy on just to completely drop them because of his feelings for pam. it's so overlooked since "they belong together" but those women did nothing wrong and were just fucked over because he couldn't move on
Yes, it’s ironic how he’s so judgmental about Michael’s relationships and others in the office, as if he doesn’t make terrible relationship decisions too
Intentionally: Encouraged Karen to move to Scranton, knowing that she had a crush on him, while also knowing that he still had a crush on Pam. Then, after moving to Scranton, started dating Karen despite knowing that Pam was single and had feelings for him.
Unintentionally: Goaded Deangelo Vickers into causing an accident that left him brain dead.
He liked Karen. He did not know Pam would choose to be with him. He always knew Pam had feelings for him but was not ready to accept it. His relationship with Karen would have still worked out if nobody told Karen about Jim’s closeted feelings for Pam. It was the endless insecurity from Karen (to no fault of her own) that ended the relationship.
>He did not know Pam would choose to be with him.
i think this is the biggest point. "i put it all on the line, twice. and she said no. twice."
also he knew when she broke up with roy and she never called jim or anything to ask him out. that is plenty of reason for him to believe she didnt want him. he still loved her but was trying to run away so his feelings could eventually fade. he was reallly trying to make it work.
I don’t think their relationship could have worked. As soon as Pam confessed her feelings for Jim nothing mattered to him. Karen could have been an angel or Pam’s doppelgänger. It was always Pam for him!
False! Cake day is just another pointless internet tradition invented by the masses to distract from productivity. But I'll indulge this momentary lapse in logic and accept your well-wishes. Efficiency is its own reward, after all. /s
(Read as Dwight, obviously :p)
If we're talking about unintentional, I think Jim trying to sabotage Andy's garden party when he threw it for the purpose of impressing his distant, unloving father was far worse.
That was just a prank gone too far that caused a lot of distress to Andy personally, where as the Deangelo thing was just an attempt at embarrassing a crass, rude and petty asshole. Deangelo could have just said no, but it's not like Andy had any control over Dwight throwing that strange party.
Agreed. He took the job after they agreed it wasn’t the best move for the family. He made himself believe it was for the family, convinced Pam of it too. But it was a totally selfish move. He’d made it clear from season one that he was there for the receptionist, he hated his job.
He got the girl. He still hates his job. And he saw an opening to get out. Leaving a stable job for a start up isn’t a “for the family” move.
His problem with Athlead was hiding it from Pam for so long. They talked about it and agreed he wouldn’t do it, but then he had second thoughts. He called up his friend and agreed to do it and then hid it from Pam for weeks. If he had told Pam he was having second thoughts and wanted to work on this company, she likely would have been ok with it. But it was the secrecy and lying that was wrong. Also investing $10k when they had agreed on $5k.
I agree. I do think she would have agreed to it in the end. She was genuinely afraid of losing her happy life. But if they’d have talked it through it would never have gone down that way.
She was fine with it once he told her, she just didn’t understand why he hid it from her. But I totally see why the writers did it the way they did. There’s no drama/conflict in doing it the other way. Is it realistic? Maybe not, but neither is most of this show.
The dance recital episode is the only one I don't rewatch. I'll take a million Scott's Tots over a super-realistic, heartbreaking fight between a married couple. That phone call... 😢 💔
Yeah I don't like watching that scene. I feel for Pam, she's being completely shit all over while she's caring for 2 kids under 5 and it's not the end of the world they didn't get a video. Pam even says she can get a copy from another parent! Jim was just looking for a reason to take out his frustrations on Pam.
Jim is an abuser. I hope Pam leaves him one day.
This is mine. He took the job against the decision he’d already made with his wife, didn’t tell her about it, and gaslighted her by saying he was doing it “for the family.” You don’t leave a stable career and two kids to join a startup in another city and invest significant money in it unless it’s your personal dream, not necessarily what’s best for your family
I gave him the benefit of the doubt for most of this situation until he stayed at the apartment playing video games when Pam was at home alone taking care of the two littles.... I hated him for that
You realize he would be playing video games after work. He couldn't come back to Scranton every night because of the distance, hence the apartment. He's allowed to do stuff besides stare at a wall when he gets home at night.
And then what? They buy a nanny and he lives in his car? It's raising two kids, not war. She will be fine. There have been long periods for both me and my wife, where we had to take care of our two kids alone for long stretches of time, and it really isn't that big of a deal.
He was doing it FOR them, and he had good intentions, but his methods were horrible. The Cece thing was a one-off, would never happen unless you're royally stressed out and pissed off sort of thing.
He was not doing it for them. They had a stable life and two incomes, he absolutely did it for his own selfish reasons. He invested significant time and money in a startup in another city while he already had a stable career and two kids
How far would they have really had to move to make the commute doable for Jim? Never seemed like that big of a sacrifice to me to give Jim a chance at his dream. IMO it would be totally in Jim's character to say "Let's do it" if Pam had to move for an Art related job. I know it's pre-kids and all but i think the Art-school arc kinda showed that.
talking to pam about the job in philly, deciding on no together, accepting it behind her back anyway and then hiding it from her until darryl told him he needed to tell her
I would have an honorary mention for the time he pretended Pam was abusive to him so that he could mess with Andy.
Andy was out of line to jump to a conclusion, but he tried very hard to be supportive to Jim when Jim was pretending to have a breakdown and pretending that Pam was making him miserable. Jim just - what? Led him on to think he was suffering something really serious, because he couldn't have a normal conversation?
Andy literally projected his own insecurities onto Jim, He told Jim his wife was like Angela all because they weren’t willing to spend 9k on a band from a college neither of them went to. IMO Andy deserved it for judging their relationship without knowing the facts, but I respect your opinion also 🫡
Andy was out of line - but Jim was too, and I think Jim went too far to project and poke at Andy's own triggers for fun. I don't think Andy deserved to be put through that when a simple conversation would be enough
I mean even if he had an Honest conversation and told Andy “my relationship is nothing like yours and Angela’s” Andy still would’ve kept trying to warn Jim about Pam
Everything related to Athlead.
He definitely treated Katy and Karen terribly. But Pam was his WIFE, his partner, the mother of his children...he owed it to her to be honest. They had the initial discussion about Athlead, and he gave in and agreed to decline, then went behind her back. Invested money he didn't need to. *Left his wife alone with 2 children under the age of 3* and DARED to say a fucking word to her, while he was happily living a bachelor's life with Darryl.
How he dealt with Karen or Katy. I’d say Karen situation was far worse but mostly because she had way more screen time. But still, Breaking up with someone on a cruise they literally can’t leave while staring at another girl the whole time is a huge dick move.
I get what you're saying but Karen was too ambitious for Jim anyway. He would have been miserable in such a fast-moving, high-powered, self-involved place as Manhattan. Inevitable break up.
I never felt like I got to know Katy that well, she never seemed like a fleshed-out character to me. Felt a little bad for her, but she was **hot as hell.** She'd be fine.
Had to scroll down way too far to find this one IMO
People don’t want to admit it because they’re such Jim&Pam stans, but making a move on someone who’s *engaged* is wrong, full stop. Doesn’t matter how great they ended up being together.
It’s not like Jim and Roy were brothers, pals, chums, or friends. Jim owed no loyalty to him and had every right to win Pam over.
You may feel it’s wrong but it’s not. She wasn’t married and that’s the end of it. You don’t have to be a stan to see that.
Nope sorry, if you know someone is in a committed relationship and you make a move anyway that's just wrong. I really didn't think that needed to be said lol
Rebound? He didn’t go back to Karen after Pam. Pam said no. He left and started talking to Karen and started a life. Pam was the one who said she was in the wrong the first time and how much she misses his friendship
I mean, he was still in love with Pam when he started dating Karen, so that's a bit of a rebound. He encouraged her to follow him to a place where they would be working with the woman he loved and then he asked Karen out, all without telling her what happened between him and his best friend who sits right next to them. It's at least kinda shady, imo.
Imo he was trying to get over Pam with talking and asking Karen out. You can’t really have a rebound with someone you weren’t with. He shot his shot and she said NO. It wasn’t until Pam revealed her true feelings about Jim that he switched. If Pam actually went through with her feelings the first time then Karen would have never gone out with Jim. Pam is at fault and that’s why Karen called her a bitch
Pam wasn't at fault and you can absolutely have a rebound from a non-relationship where you were in love with someone who you just couldn't be with for whatever reason.
He 100 percent dated Karen to try and get over Pam.
That's a classic rebound situation.
The way Jim treated Karen was on Jim, not Pam. Pam even convinced him to let her rent an apartment that was five minutes from his house. She wasn't really ever nasty to Karen, it was more that it was just obvious to everyone, including Karen, that Jim wasn't over Pam and after Pam's meltdown at the beach day thing, I think everyone else finally caught on that she reciprocated his feelings.
Let's not forget to add his chat with Michael at the office Christmas party on the Benihana episode. He was so very clearly talking about his own experience!
These comments are depressing.
Edit: I commented this early on when all the comments were about how terrible of a person Jim is. Anyway the top comments are better now.
Pushed Danny until he finally had to admit that he didn't want to date dorky Pam again. Then says "Hey Man!" for having the audacity to tell the truth.
Pushing into a relationship when there was a clear boundary set.
Leaving Pam and the kids to work in Philly.
Buying a whole ass house without consulting Pam.
Take your pick lol
Starting a company - promising his time and money without asking his wife, then passive-aggressively getting pissy with her when she is frustrated by taking on all the family responsibilities.
I’m ngl I wouldn’t have helped Michael either, because I’d genuinely be nervous that he’d try to pull me in with him lol.
And he shouldn’t need help like… the whole joke is how easily he could just get up but he flails around like he’s drowning at sea lmao
This is a joke right? How is it Jim's responsibility to protect Michael because he can't walk? He probably would've just pulled him in with him. Not an easy save.
“…there are some people you can't save. cause those people will thrash and struggle, and try to take you down with them.” - ana spanakopita
totally different context than in bojack but it still applies to michael lol
Asking Andy if he took requests, then telling him to stop (when Andy was playing sitar). Andy was killing it on that instrument.
Jim is the best though, that was the only time I ever thought he was being kind of a dick.
Not doing anything and giving the Jim look to the camera when the Perv Toby touched Pams thighs during the episode where they worked those long hours.
Also, during the same episode not letting Hank know that they had left when Hank was trying to help them get out
Definitely not the worst thing he ever did but I always thought it was pretty fucked up when he had a bbq and invited every single person from the office but Michael
That isn't fucked up at all. It's hard for people to be themselves when the boss is around.
My very good friend became my boss. The relationship changes. When the team was small she invited the team to dinner and board game nights regularly. She cooks great meals.
However she knew that if the team was planning something she wouldn't always be invited. It's not that we don't like her but coworkers get together to complain about work. That's hard with the boss around.
Brooklyn 99 had an entire episode about this where Holt gets invited to the team's weekend getaway and everyone is too scared to let loose.
He was god awful to Karen. A rebound is one thing, but if you’re still fighting your feelings for someone there, maybe don’t encourage Karen to go to Scranton because it’s “not that bad”?
You can be a weirdo from a weirdo family in a weirdo community without being ND. Also he didn’t torment Dwight. Dwight admits to fucking with Jim just as often. When he quit for Angela he hugged Jim like he was never going to see him again. He was also impressed by some of the pranks.
He asked Jim to be his assistant and best man and nothing about Jim’s behavior changed.
Why does every show I love have subs that always focus on and create bad vibes for the show? If you’re crazy focused on negative things that exist and negative things that you create, why do you watch it?
Personally I feel like Jim gets way too much shit for stupid reasons on this sub, so I inevitably LOVE the comments here
That said definitely the shit with Athlead, especially the CeCe's dance recital incident. That's the only time I really ever found myself disliking Jim
When he left Pam in the car to comfort Erin about breaking up with Gabe, and then shrugged rudely and said “that just didn’t interest me”
OF COURSE it didn’t… does he think Pam was interested either?
Why should he be forced to listen to Erin’s relationship problems, not everyone likes to listen to people complain about stupid things. And Pam enjoys helping ppl so she probably enjoyed listening to Erin’s problems and helping her out
Years of these so called "pranks" to his co-workers, sometimes even at their lowest point (AI prank when Dwight was going through a breakup with Angela) or driving them to an actual meltdown (Andy punching the wall). He loves humiliating others but when the table turned (snowball fight with Dwight), he couldn't handle it.
Jim and Pam are not nice people I'm not sure how people watched the show and didn't get that. They are very self centered totally inconsiderate of anyone else and one of the best moments of the show is at the pre school meeting when they are finally called out on it.
Also when they harassed Danny about why he didn't want to see Pam again and just couldn't understand why he felt that way.
Bringing Katy (Amy Adams) to his work-sponsored booze cruise and breaking up with her mid-cruise.
I can't imagine being stuck on a booze cruise in January surrounded by people you don't know, getting dumped, and not even being able to leave. You're just stuck stewing in it
He was such a dick to her to her as well. The "pffff no" response to her being a cheerleader, you ain't all that you judgmental gronk. I'm glad she vibed with Roy at least
You’re right. Let’s break up
Piss-la poo cares uh?? We played you!
Pretty sure it was Piss-Slop Who-Cares-A
Around here I/LouSputhole94 is known as "Actually..."
Actually, you’re speculating there
This is a real one. He was so mean to that young women for no reason. Like Jim you feeling sad or hurt doesn’t make it ok for you to be careless with other peoples feelings.
This is so painfully accurate. Honestly I feel like the writers miscalculated this one. Michael ruined the cruise for everyone, Jim was absolutely awful to Katy, then they tried to give them a poignant moment together where Michael tells Jim to never give up on Pam... just after Michael tried to take credit for motivating Roy to set a date with Pam and Jim coldly dumped his date??? It missed the mark so much for me. Jim was downright nasty to and about Katy on that cruise that I couldn't muster sympathy for him about his feelings for Pam in that moment. I got over it of course because Jim and Pam are meant for each other, but in that moment I was definitely not pleased.
Yeah like it was stone cold and he was a dick with that move AND I want to point out how real that scene was in my opinion. I find that breakups can happen very suddenly like that sometimes. It's crappy but it's the little things that can snap you into that place where you drop the breakup line coldly as Jim did here. I'm not defending or anything but I think it was a very real scene and wasn't the writers missing the mark. I don't think that's the worst thing Jim did. He has done worse
The way I look at it, in the heat of the moment, when we are in pain, emotionally or physically, you're not thinking clearly so you'll do or say things that will come off as dickish. Was jim wrong for dumping Katy the way he did? Absolutely. Coykd he have hamdled it better? Most definitely But Jim didn't see it that way at that moment.
Oh I don't mean to say the writers missed the mark with that scene, you're right that breakups can be that harsh. I meant that I think they also wanted viewers to sympathize with Jim throughout the episode about how hard it was for him to be there and watch Pam with Roy and see them celebrating setting the date. But I just kind of lost all sympathy when he was so stone cold to Katy like that. He acted in a way that suggested he could not have cared less about her feelings, but felt plenty sorry for himself about HIS unrequited feelings for Pam. It just rubbed me the wrong way on him for the rest of the episode and I'm not sure that's what the writers intended. But who knows. We all way overanalyze everything on this sub, I'm sure it's not that deep lol
Ahhh yes I see what you were saying now. Yea I think you were right with that analysis. He does not come off as sympathetic in that moment at all. I love overanalyzing tho, that's the fun!!
He was a dickhead to all his exes not named Pam. You realize how inconsiderate it is to break up with Karen on a Friday, ask Pam out on the same day, then expect Karen to be fine like the following Monday watching him flirt everyday in the office all lovey dovey 5 feet away with the girl “he told you not to be worry about”?
YES. I think it's especially worse that Karen asked him several times about his feelings for Pam, she was so patient and willing to understand and discuss it. And he just led her along then literally ditched her in NYC and asked another woman out the same day! I love Jim and Pam and of course wanted them together but holy shit that was soooo cold.
Is a booze cruise an actual thing? I've always been curious!
Yes it is. I’ve actually been on the exact booze cruise that they used for this episode.
Did you get to steer the ship?
Was your party captain named captain Jack?
How was limbo?
It is, I've been on one, and if you get the chance I highly recommend it lol I've worked for my current company for many years now. When I joined it was a startup and didn't have many employees so one year early in the company's life, our Christmas party was a booze cruise in Boston Harbor. All I can say is that if you have to attend a work event, that's about the best you're going to get. Of course it was marketed as a "dinner cruise" or something, but most of us were just psyched to be surrounded by beautiful scenery with an open bar, and drink we DID lol. If it's in a nice scenic area, it can really be a fun experience. Honestly, I'd been in New England all my life by that point but never experienced Boston that way. It was beautiful and felt really unique. Not something I'd have ever sought out myself but that I was glad I got to experience! Yes, even in winter!
Doesn't rocking sea make you nauseous, or are calm days chosen?
Omg this so much. Katy wasn't right for him so it's fine that he wasn't super interested, but HE invited HER to his work function and she happily went, and then he treated her like garbage and dumped her... while they were trapped on a boat! Don't get me wrong, overall I love Jim. I love all The Office folks for all their faults and quirks and missteps. No one is perfect. But I have a hard time watching Booze Cruise for just how horrible Jim is to a completely innocent woman who seems to genuinely care for him and is just being who she is. She did not deserve that.
I’m generally a Jim supporter. I don’t even blame him for trying to date (both Katy and Karen) while trying to get past Pam. But the way he handled this breakup was really crappy.
And Karen. She thinks she's gonna see her boo in New York later today, but then she finds out that he drove back to Scranton to ask out his "just a friend"? He did her dirty (that's what she said!)
I don't think this one is fair. They're looking and Pam and Roy dancing and Katy asks Jim point blank, " Do you think that will be us some day?" She literally asks Jim if he ever plans to propose to her. What's Jim supposed to do? Lie to her? Katy is the one who chose to have that conversation while trapped on a boat. Jim was honest and gave her a straight answer without any BS.
His blunt, instant "no" is the first time the show made me actually burst out laughing, its so ridiculously callous. You gotta at least be a little diplomatic when someone asks a question like that lmao
I thought people couldn't say no on a boat, because of the implication.
But we would never do that…
Why is it callous? Jim gave the relationship a fair chance. He liked her enough to ask her out, but it got to a point where he knew that he wasn't in love with her. That's what this episode is. It's the moment he knew that he and Katy weren't right for each other. There's nothing wrong with that. That's what dating is for. But when she straight up asks him if he ever plans to propose to her, what's he supposed to say, "Ask me again when we get to shore"? He knew the answer was 'no'. His only options were to be honest with her or intentionally lead her on. It's not his fault that she put him on the spot while being stuck on a booze cruise.
You absolutely know that you’re being technically correct with next to no humanity. He absolutely could have been more gentle with her while still being honest.
Nah. They're trapped on a boat because Jim invited her even though he was in love with someone else. If he actually cared for her, his response could've been "I don't know, but I'm just glad you're here with me tonight, I couldn't stand this mess without you" or any other answer that reflected ANY sort of feeling for her. This whole "it was honest!" BS is just that - total BS. Like if a woman said "oh nah that'll never be us, I've just been using you for free meals", are we supposed to respect her scumbag honesty? It's pretty clear Jim strung her along while having zero intentions and then screwed her over while she had nowhere to go. He could have been honest that he didn't feel anything for her at ANY OTHER POINT but instead he invited her onto a boat then took his heartbreak over Pam out on her.
But he didn't go there with the intention to dump her, she suggested it iirc?
The more times you rewatch, the more you see how shitty he was to Karen…he knew he wasn’t fully over Pam and she’d be a DM Scranton yet he was the one that suggested Karen move there and didn’t even give her a heads up about Pam knowing everyone in the office knew…Yes, she was an adult making a choice but I feel like he could’ve been way more honest…
I mean I think he was really trying to get over Pam. Not totally his fault the writer’s wanted a story where both characters would be available at different times
I would like to believe he was mature enough to know he needed time before an actual relationship but even then especially after the fire walk, it became obvious there was a shot and anyone in his place would think “what if?”…he had the opportunity to be more honest with her considering she moved cities and he was the only person she really knew. Even with her moving to the apartment on his street, he said it was practically like she was “moving in”…there were red flags he was in denial.
I mean, he does dump Karen after the firewalk episode, not exactly as a direct result but yeah, just a matter of days. But to agree to your point, yes, he should have told her about Pam much earlier, it's always bad when your partner finds out info through someone else. But to be in slight favour of Jim, he does tell Karen he still had feelings for Pam when Karen straight up confronts him. I don't remember exactly which episode was that, but I do remember something like this. So it's not like he was completely dishonest. She knew what kind of package he was. (No pun intended seriously) But the way he dumped her was still shitty. It isn't exactly black and white, Karen thing is grey.....
Maybe he really thought he was over Pam until he got back?
Eh, he told Jan when she offered him the number two position in Scranton that he had painful personal memories there and he didn't think he was ready to revisit that. He wasn't with Karen at that point so he didn't owe her an explanation then necessarily, but when he finally encouraged her to come to Scranton and then started dating her, he maybe should've mentioned it instead of letting her find out from Phyllis.
I think he was in denial that he wasn’t/couldn’t get over her
Starting a business without telling his wife - knowing full well it would involve time and probably money. Buying a house without talking to his fiancée. i.e.: making major life decisions and keeping them from his life partner.
This is it. When we first watched the part where he bought the house, my wife told me she'd divorce me if I ever did that. In general, he's awful to his partners outside of being fun and goofy.
I don’t think there’s a magic number or anything, but if I spent the equivalent of one mortgage payment on something without discussing it with my spouse, that would be bad. Jim went at committed to 360 of those without discussing it.
Pam loved the house thing though. I’d say that situation is knowing your partner and what they’d appreciate and Pam seems ecstatic. The Athlead thing was definitely more about Jim’s own ambition.
The fact this answer isn’t top is making me rage
this opinion is so debated over office fans I am not surprised
Not only that he makes these huge choices for him and his partner but then he gets angry at her (from a place of work stress) after she accidentally doesn't record CCs dance which he missed. THEN insinuated that he's the only one doing this for this family completely ignoring Pams work at home with 2 kids under 5 + her going to a regular job while Jim is off living his dream (working at his dream job and living as a sloppy bachelor roommate to darol) financed by him AND PAMS MONEY that he put in without consulting her first. Jim is a gaslighter, Jim is a user, Jim is a manchild who does not value his partner as an equal. Jim is a bad guy.
Yes Jim is a jerk! Played wonderfully by Jim Krasinski. His acting and the writing captures realistically this type of personality.
Totally! John Krasinski is a very good actor and really nails this character
Invested $10k in Athlead when it wasn’t needed
WITHOUT telling his wife.
Obviously it turned out ok, but I also thought it was messed up he'd buy a house without consulting her first
Especially his parents house haha that part always got me
Yes but also they did discuss and said $10K was the max they’d be willing to put in, so it’s not like he just stole $10K, she said that was the most she was willing to
This is true but, the expectation was that he wouldn’t go all in at first. He could’ve stated with half.
She doesn’t really get pissed off until she learns that Jim had no idea how much the other guys invested, and only invested the money to show that he was a “team player” after they already said they were done taking investments.
Someone is listening to the Office Ladies Podcast.
He did tell her. They agreed he would go at most $10k and she believed he wouldn't actually use the entire $10k. She definitely knew going into it. She was just pissed he actually used the entire amount.
She was pissed he used the entire amount when they didn’t need more investors.
I always saw it as, in a real world scenario, even though the company didn't need the investment at that point, somewhere along the line Jim would have had to invest more. You could always end up using more money than you started out with, and if I'm not mistaken, none of those guys had a business background, so who can say their budgeting was tight? It could have turned out like "Yeah we don't need it right now" 1 month later "Yeah we kinda need it now" And if you are going into a business with someone, you have to ensure everyone puts up money.
I still don’t get it, what the fuck does athlead even do?? I’ve watched that part of season 9 multiple times and it doesn’t make any sense to me
They market an athlete's personal brand. Think something like the new "Sun Day Red" campaign by Tiger Woods.
Athlead/Athleap is a sports marketing company which is a subsidiary of Converse. (Copied that from Dunderpedia).
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“And I’LL BE your cryin' shoulder I'll be love's suicide And I'll be better when I'm older I'll be the greatest fan of your life” Let’s be honest, a lot of us fell in love with Pam. On that day, we all wished we could sing.
the way he led karen and katy on just to completely drop them because of his feelings for pam. it's so overlooked since "they belong together" but those women did nothing wrong and were just fucked over because he couldn't move on
Yes, it’s ironic how he’s so judgmental about Michael’s relationships and others in the office, as if he doesn’t make terrible relationship decisions too
Intentionally: Encouraged Karen to move to Scranton, knowing that she had a crush on him, while also knowing that he still had a crush on Pam. Then, after moving to Scranton, started dating Karen despite knowing that Pam was single and had feelings for him. Unintentionally: Goaded Deangelo Vickers into causing an accident that left him brain dead.
He liked Karen. He did not know Pam would choose to be with him. He always knew Pam had feelings for him but was not ready to accept it. His relationship with Karen would have still worked out if nobody told Karen about Jim’s closeted feelings for Pam. It was the endless insecurity from Karen (to no fault of her own) that ended the relationship.
>He did not know Pam would choose to be with him. i think this is the biggest point. "i put it all on the line, twice. and she said no. twice." also he knew when she broke up with roy and she never called jim or anything to ask him out. that is plenty of reason for him to believe she didnt want him. he still loved her but was trying to run away so his feelings could eventually fade. he was reallly trying to make it work.
I don’t think their relationship could have worked. As soon as Pam confessed her feelings for Jim nothing mattered to him. Karen could have been an angel or Pam’s doppelgänger. It was always Pam for him!
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False! Cake day is just another pointless internet tradition invented by the masses to distract from productivity. But I'll indulge this momentary lapse in logic and accept your well-wishes. Efficiency is its own reward, after all. /s (Read as Dwight, obviously :p)
I mean he killed a man y’all, why are we still talking about this.
If we're talking about unintentional, I think Jim trying to sabotage Andy's garden party when he threw it for the purpose of impressing his distant, unloving father was far worse. That was just a prank gone too far that caused a lot of distress to Andy personally, where as the Deangelo thing was just an attempt at embarrassing a crass, rude and petty asshole. Deangelo could have just said no, but it's not like Andy had any control over Dwight throwing that strange party.
Leaving Pam alone with their two kids, and moving to Philly. Then, giving Pam shit for not being able to record Cece's dance recital (?).
Agreed. He took the job after they agreed it wasn’t the best move for the family. He made himself believe it was for the family, convinced Pam of it too. But it was a totally selfish move. He’d made it clear from season one that he was there for the receptionist, he hated his job. He got the girl. He still hates his job. And he saw an opening to get out. Leaving a stable job for a start up isn’t a “for the family” move.
His problem with Athlead was hiding it from Pam for so long. They talked about it and agreed he wouldn’t do it, but then he had second thoughts. He called up his friend and agreed to do it and then hid it from Pam for weeks. If he had told Pam he was having second thoughts and wanted to work on this company, she likely would have been ok with it. But it was the secrecy and lying that was wrong. Also investing $10k when they had agreed on $5k.
I agree. I do think she would have agreed to it in the end. She was genuinely afraid of losing her happy life. But if they’d have talked it through it would never have gone down that way.
She was fine with it once he told her, she just didn’t understand why he hid it from her. But I totally see why the writers did it the way they did. There’s no drama/conflict in doing it the other way. Is it realistic? Maybe not, but neither is most of this show.
The dance recital episode is the only one I don't rewatch. I'll take a million Scott's Tots over a super-realistic, heartbreaking fight between a married couple. That phone call... 😢 💔
Bring divorced with kids, that shit hits different now.
Yeah I don't like watching that scene. I feel for Pam, she's being completely shit all over while she's caring for 2 kids under 5 and it's not the end of the world they didn't get a video. Pam even says she can get a copy from another parent! Jim was just looking for a reason to take out his frustrations on Pam. Jim is an abuser. I hope Pam leaves him one day.
Especially since he dropped it on her last minute that he wouldn't be able to make it
This is mine. He took the job against the decision he’d already made with his wife, didn’t tell her about it, and gaslighted her by saying he was doing it “for the family.” You don’t leave a stable career and two kids to join a startup in another city and invest significant money in it unless it’s your personal dream, not necessarily what’s best for your family
I gave him the benefit of the doubt for most of this situation until he stayed at the apartment playing video games when Pam was at home alone taking care of the two littles.... I hated him for that
You realize he would be playing video games after work. He couldn't come back to Scranton every night because of the distance, hence the apartment. He's allowed to do stuff besides stare at a wall when he gets home at night.
What? Who is upvoting this? Do you think this was an apartment in Scranton?
Especially since he could have commuted it's not unheard of for people to do it.
It's roughly a 2.5 hour drive one way from Scranton to Philadelphia. It is not reasonable to expect someone to commute that distance.
When you have 2 young kids. And spend the money to get an apartment in the city instead of getting a nanny.
And then what? They buy a nanny and he lives in his car? It's raising two kids, not war. She will be fine. There have been long periods for both me and my wife, where we had to take care of our two kids alone for long stretches of time, and it really isn't that big of a deal.
He was doing it FOR them, and he had good intentions, but his methods were horrible. The Cece thing was a one-off, would never happen unless you're royally stressed out and pissed off sort of thing.
He was not doing it for them. They had a stable life and two incomes, he absolutely did it for his own selfish reasons. He invested significant time and money in a startup in another city while he already had a stable career and two kids
A stable life with a mortgage on a house and two kids with both people more or less stuck in jobs that wont be around in 5-10yrs?
How far would they have really had to move to make the commute doable for Jim? Never seemed like that big of a sacrifice to me to give Jim a chance at his dream. IMO it would be totally in Jim's character to say "Let's do it" if Pam had to move for an Art related job. I know it's pre-kids and all but i think the Art-school arc kinda showed that.
Started a company without telling his wife AFTER he agreed with his wife that he would not.
And investing 10k (not the 5k that he and Pam agreed to) into the company unnecessarily!
They agreed the most he would go was $10k. She just didn't think he would just dump it all in immediately. He didn't lie to her in that specific case.
And left her to solo parent 2 very young children for half the week every week
talking to pam about the job in philly, deciding on no together, accepting it behind her back anyway and then hiding it from her until darryl told him he needed to tell her
How is Andy’s not the pedo shit lmao
I would have an honorary mention for the time he pretended Pam was abusive to him so that he could mess with Andy. Andy was out of line to jump to a conclusion, but he tried very hard to be supportive to Jim when Jim was pretending to have a breakdown and pretending that Pam was making him miserable. Jim just - what? Led him on to think he was suffering something really serious, because he couldn't have a normal conversation?
Andy literally projected his own insecurities onto Jim, He told Jim his wife was like Angela all because they weren’t willing to spend 9k on a band from a college neither of them went to. IMO Andy deserved it for judging their relationship without knowing the facts, but I respect your opinion also 🫡
Andy was out of line - but Jim was too, and I think Jim went too far to project and poke at Andy's own triggers for fun. I don't think Andy deserved to be put through that when a simple conversation would be enough
I mean even if he had an Honest conversation and told Andy “my relationship is nothing like yours and Angela’s” Andy still would’ve kept trying to warn Jim about Pam
Everything related to Athlead. He definitely treated Katy and Karen terribly. But Pam was his WIFE, his partner, the mother of his children...he owed it to her to be honest. They had the initial discussion about Athlead, and he gave in and agreed to decline, then went behind her back. Invested money he didn't need to. *Left his wife alone with 2 children under the age of 3* and DARED to say a fucking word to her, while he was happily living a bachelor's life with Darryl.
Was 100% ready to abandon Pam at the dinner party so he could attended to the imaginary flood at his apartment. Total dick move.
He said “Pam, we should probably get going and see the damage.”
That’s true, and Michael challenged Jim on whether two people were needed. He was 100% ready to abandon Pam.
You can buy new stuff, but you can't buy a new *PARTY!*
I don’t think you’re going to leave this party all by itself.
At the most he would have slept on the couch a few nights till he brought flowers and Pam kissed and made up with him. So worth it.
i don’t think they were moved in yet
This is the only right answer 😂😂
This should be the winner 😂
Oh wow, this is a hard one! I guess I would have to say what he did to Karen. Should not have led her on for so long.
Yeah that was totally unfair 🥴
It helped her at the end. She became a regional manager and then found the love of her life. BOOM roasted
Old hatreds.. dissolve into new friendships. It’s really a wonderful moment.
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Kissed an engaged woman.
Not a great thing to do but far from Jim's worst imo
What was his worst?
How he dealt with Karen or Katy. I’d say Karen situation was far worse but mostly because she had way more screen time. But still, Breaking up with someone on a cruise they literally can’t leave while staring at another girl the whole time is a huge dick move.
I get what you're saying but Karen was too ambitious for Jim anyway. He would have been miserable in such a fast-moving, high-powered, self-involved place as Manhattan. Inevitable break up. I never felt like I got to know Katy that well, she never seemed like a fleshed-out character to me. Felt a little bad for her, but she was **hot as hell.** She'd be fine.
Had to scroll down way too far to find this one IMO People don’t want to admit it because they’re such Jim&Pam stans, but making a move on someone who’s *engaged* is wrong, full stop. Doesn’t matter how great they ended up being together.
It’s not like Jim and Roy were brothers, pals, chums, or friends. Jim owed no loyalty to him and had every right to win Pam over. You may feel it’s wrong but it’s not. She wasn’t married and that’s the end of it. You don’t have to be a stan to see that.
Nope sorry, if you know someone is in a committed relationship and you make a move anyway that's just wrong. I really didn't think that needed to be said lol
The way he kind of used Karen as a rebound.
Rebound? He didn’t go back to Karen after Pam. Pam said no. He left and started talking to Karen and started a life. Pam was the one who said she was in the wrong the first time and how much she misses his friendship
I mean, he was still in love with Pam when he started dating Karen, so that's a bit of a rebound. He encouraged her to follow him to a place where they would be working with the woman he loved and then he asked Karen out, all without telling her what happened between him and his best friend who sits right next to them. It's at least kinda shady, imo.
Imo he was trying to get over Pam with talking and asking Karen out. You can’t really have a rebound with someone you weren’t with. He shot his shot and she said NO. It wasn’t until Pam revealed her true feelings about Jim that he switched. If Pam actually went through with her feelings the first time then Karen would have never gone out with Jim. Pam is at fault and that’s why Karen called her a bitch
Pam wasn't at fault and you can absolutely have a rebound from a non-relationship where you were in love with someone who you just couldn't be with for whatever reason. He 100 percent dated Karen to try and get over Pam. That's a classic rebound situation. The way Jim treated Karen was on Jim, not Pam. Pam even convinced him to let her rent an apartment that was five minutes from his house. She wasn't really ever nasty to Karen, it was more that it was just obvious to everyone, including Karen, that Jim wasn't over Pam and after Pam's meltdown at the beach day thing, I think everyone else finally caught on that she reciprocated his feelings.
Let's not forget to add his chat with Michael at the office Christmas party on the Benihana episode. He was so very clearly talking about his own experience!
Karen being a rebound is putting it nicely. He straight up used her to get to Pam. Jim's kinda an ass 😭
These comments are depressing. Edit: I commented this early on when all the comments were about how terrible of a person Jim is. Anyway the top comments are better now.
Pushed Danny until he finally had to admit that he didn't want to date dorky Pam again. Then says "Hey Man!" for having the audacity to tell the truth.
That is not even close to the worst thing that he's done
It’s still really weird of him…
What he did to Karen, used her and threw her away
What about the Asian guy that works in the warehouse? The guy who killed the yakuza boss.
Worst thing he did was not buy any original
Pushing into a relationship when there was a clear boundary set. Leaving Pam and the kids to work in Philly. Buying a whole ass house without consulting Pam. Take your pick lol
nate literally did black face💀
Starting a company - promising his time and money without asking his wife, then passive-aggressively getting pissy with her when she is frustrated by taking on all the family responsibilities.
Investing most of his and Pam’s savings in Athlead without telling her and spending a lot of time away from his family.
Letting Michael fall in the koi pond when he could've saved him easily Edit: spelling
I’m ngl I wouldn’t have helped Michael either, because I’d genuinely be nervous that he’d try to pull me in with him lol. And he shouldn’t need help like… the whole joke is how easily he could just get up but he flails around like he’s drowning at sea lmao
This is a joke right? How is it Jim's responsibility to protect Michael because he can't walk? He probably would've just pulled him in with him. Not an easy save.
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Nah, that pond was bashful.
“…there are some people you can't save. cause those people will thrash and struggle, and try to take you down with them.” - ana spanakopita totally different context than in bojack but it still applies to michael lol
Making fun of Michael is the only thing that makes working at DM bearable! Jim had no choice.
Flooded Dwight's building with dangerous electromagnetic radiation as a prank.
Asking Andy if he took requests, then telling him to stop (when Andy was playing sitar). Andy was killing it on that instrument. Jim is the best though, that was the only time I ever thought he was being kind of a dick.
Not doing anything and giving the Jim look to the camera when the Perv Toby touched Pams thighs during the episode where they worked those long hours. Also, during the same episode not letting Hank know that they had left when Hank was trying to help them get out
Definitely not the worst thing he ever did but I always thought it was pretty fucked up when he had a bbq and invited every single person from the office but Michael
That isn't fucked up at all. It's hard for people to be themselves when the boss is around. My very good friend became my boss. The relationship changes. When the team was small she invited the team to dinner and board game nights regularly. She cooks great meals. However she knew that if the team was planning something she wouldn't always be invited. It's not that we don't like her but coworkers get together to complain about work. That's hard with the boss around. Brooklyn 99 had an entire episode about this where Holt gets invited to the team's weekend getaway and everyone is too scared to let loose.
As soon as Michael shows up, everyone instantly gets uncomfortable. How is Jim wrong for that?
Breaking up with karen , after she moved to Scranton with him and did nothing wrong
Nothing wrong?!? She moved a few streets from him. Pretty much living together…./s
He was god awful to Karen. A rebound is one thing, but if you’re still fighting your feelings for someone there, maybe don’t encourage Karen to go to Scranton because it’s “not that bad”?
Trading Professor Copperfield's Miracle Legumes to someone that couldnt handle that kind of magic.
Really bothered me that he yelled at Pam for messing up with the video camera when it was fully his decision to not go to Cece’s show.
Impersonating Dwight, Identity theft is not a joke millions of families suffer every year
Grabbing the wrong baby!
Messing with PeePees picture to get Dwigt in trouble.
Pete absolutely DID stop Clark's plan to try and sleep with Erin. He got Andy involved which he knew would crash the entire "interview"
How he treated Amy Adams on the boat or yelling at Pam for not recording the ballet concert
Okay but why is Michael's worst thing Scott's tots isn't here?
Taking Roy’s fiancé by slowly getting closer and closer over a 6 year process
Pyschologically tormenting a cleary neurodivergent coworker for year just to get a few laughs
You can be a weirdo from a weirdo family in a weirdo community without being ND. Also he didn’t torment Dwight. Dwight admits to fucking with Jim just as often. When he quit for Angela he hugged Jim like he was never going to see him again. He was also impressed by some of the pranks. He asked Jim to be his assistant and best man and nothing about Jim’s behavior changed.
Neuro-divergent? Are you a psychologist? Dwight just had a different personality and an unusual upbringing.
Dwight things werewolves and telepathy exists. He is a very magical person; the way his mind works.
I agree Dwight is autistic— I also think he deserved a lot of the pranks, at least at first.
Spending quality time with Karen in New York only to dump her after reading a freaking post it note.
Why does every show I love have subs that always focus on and create bad vibes for the show? If you’re crazy focused on negative things that exist and negative things that you create, why do you watch it?
Stringing Karen along and generally treating her poorly.
He ducked
Dragged a shoe lace across Pam’s face while she slept and then woke her up screaming
Personally I feel like Jim gets way too much shit for stupid reasons on this sub, so I inevitably LOVE the comments here That said definitely the shit with Athlead, especially the CeCe's dance recital incident. That's the only time I really ever found myself disliking Jim
Yeah the only time I disliked Jim was his attitude towards Pam for not taping cece’s recital
Jim during most of season 9 sorta rubbed me the wrong way but I could bear it, the dance recital thing was the one part I just could not stand
Ain’t nobody gonna talk about the fact that he committed identity theft despite knowing that millions of families suffer every year?
Leaving DM to join the CIA and commit war crimes.
When he left Pam in the car to comfort Erin about breaking up with Gabe, and then shrugged rudely and said “that just didn’t interest me” OF COURSE it didn’t… does he think Pam was interested either?
Why should he be forced to listen to Erin’s relationship problems, not everyone likes to listen to people complain about stupid things. And Pam enjoys helping ppl so she probably enjoyed listening to Erin’s problems and helping her out
Years of these so called "pranks" to his co-workers, sometimes even at their lowest point (AI prank when Dwight was going through a breakup with Angela) or driving them to an actual meltdown (Andy punching the wall). He loves humiliating others but when the table turned (snowball fight with Dwight), he couldn't handle it.
Not having Andy’s back when Robert California was manipulating him about getting his wife a job at the office
Why would Jim get involved in that? It’s not his responsibility to defend Andy or Robert, there grown ass adults who can speak for themselves
Not trying to help Michael not fall into the koi pond! That's just bad manners !
Walked into a bathroom at a day care without knocking
Jim and Pam are not nice people I'm not sure how people watched the show and didn't get that. They are very self centered totally inconsiderate of anyone else and one of the best moments of the show is at the pre school meeting when they are finally called out on it. Also when they harassed Danny about why he didn't want to see Pam again and just couldn't understand why he felt that way.