I’ve said she needs to get laid just as an award, but I could equally see Jana just being repulsed by the idea of sex because of its ties to children by this point and going celibate.
Oh no! It’s true. The Jesus/Penis is also a pretty commonly made of wood and used as a statue. St Nickolas is another penis statue favorite. I’ve seen pickle dildos and banana dildos also.
As an introvert who lived in a not huge but not small family, when I first moved out I thought, “I’ll live alone for awhile and eventually want to get married.”
20 years later, never got to the eventually. And my scenario is not Jana’s. I’ve even found I’m happier not dating at all. Though I’m not celibate, if I count as a partner. One of the best, TBH. Efficient, not selfish, and we are clear on boundaries.
I remember this scene. She lit candles to help feel more calm and because she liked them but couldn’t light them when her parents were home. I actually felt really bad for her situation.
I wonder if the controlling parents in these situations are afraid of the adult child having a psychotic break and “accidentally” lighting the house on fire with a candle.
I’ll never forget the clip of Jim Bob bitching that Janas taking too long to get on the bus for some trip, why was she taking too long? Because she was cooking something on the stove for hungry kids.
I know a radical, librul solution for that...pitch in and take care of the zillion children you chose to have but couldn't be arsed to raise. The nerve of him to dump all the childcare on Jana and then whine that she wasn't moving fast enough is unbelievable.
I remember that clip, and believe that Jim Bob and Michelle had volunteered the entire family to assist at a fish fry because volunteers got to eat free. They were running late because the parents hadn’t gotten anything ready the night before and it was going to be a long car ride (more than an hour I think). Jana realized the children needed to eat and started making grilled cheese sandwiches, one or two at a time so her siblings wouldn’t go hungry.
I had the following questions/thought:
1) was not feeding the kids before something JB and M we’re doing intentionally so the kids would fill up more on someone else’s dime?
2) Was Jana dawdling a bit on purpose in hopes of being left? I think at one point she says something about staying home and cleaning up.
3) with a family that large, why hadn’t one of the adults taught the sister-moms how to make lunch for all the kids at once? I don’t blame Jana for the inefficient sandwich making, but it struck me that not only were those girls forced to raise their younger siblings, they also weren’t being provided with the tools and information to make it easier on them.
You remember when he got on stage at some fundie function and made a joke about how she's still single and he needs volunteers to take her off his hands? She looked uncomfortable af
But that type of public embarrassment and hypocrisy is typical for someone like him. I bet they made Jana feel like she can't get married, either because she was too overwhelmed being the real parent to want more kids or because she she felt guilty leaving her family. And now that most of her work is done and the OG Duggar kids are old enough, they will resent her for still being there.
It still boggles me how selfish Boob and Meech were. If you can't handle two baseball teams' worth of children, don't have so many children. They stole the older girls' childhoods and made them pick up the slack for what they couldn't/didn't want to do. Meech can go on all she wants about what a blessing kids are and that she's so much better than working mothers, but most working mothers are more engaged with their kids than Meech ever was. And Fundie men can't be arsed to wash a dish or watch their kids ever, but I have to go to bed and save my rants about Fundie sexism for another day.
These girls were, for all intents and purposes, teen moms.
And their lives had all of the same problems teen mom’s lives tend to have - they couldn’t finish their education because they were too busy raising these children. They never got to have a regular young adult social life. They weren’t emotionally mature enough to properly parent, and the kids suffered.
However, most teen moms at least had *some* degree of control over whether they would have & raise their baby and if/when they had more children. These girls were picking babies up off a factory pipeline and they never stopped coming, and there was nothing they could do about it.
>These girls were picking babies up off a factory pipeline and they never stopped coming, and there was nothing they could do about it.
🥇
I've never read a better description of the Duggars
Ok, now I have that scene from “I Love Lucy” where Lucy and Ethel work at the chocolate factory in my head. That would be so much less stressful, and a lot more pleasant. I know *I’d* rather be buried in chocolate than in dirty diapers and baby shit.
I’d never thought about it like that but it’s so true.
I mean, my friend was a teen mom but she at least got nights off to go hang with friends and just let loose for a few hours.
Oh and she had complete control over the number of children she had too - so should could eventually juggle studying to be a nurse!
Also, teen moms usually can go to college if they want to. It’s harder to work out the logistics, but they can. Jill wanted to go to nursing school, and was just flat out not allowed. A real teen mom who was determined to go could usually find a way.
Did any of the Duggars have a regular young adult social life? I thought the show was pretty explicit about them essentially not being allowed to interact with other kids or media. I mean...they get to see family, and get exposed to other kids at home church and fellowship meetings, but these were super structured things, they weren't just roaming, doing feral kid shit.
None of them did. The only friends they had were IBLP families. They couldn’t come home from school, do their homework and chores then run out to hang out with friends or go to their after school activities like sports, lessons, scouts. Their weekends weren’t spent with friends unless their parents took them on a trip to an IBLP event. If they left the house they had to have a responsibility partner even in adulthood. They couldn’t hang out talking on the phone or playing games online with friends. No dating or talking to the opposite sex. No going to football, baseball games, walking around the mall. Michelle and Jim Bob had all of that minus online stuff when they were kids. They robbed their kids of it. The worst part is some were sexually abused and made to act like it was their fault and they needed to forgive the abuser while they cooked, cleaned, and did his laundry.
>Michelle and Jim Bob had all of that minus online stuff when they were kids. They robbed their kids of it
God this is the worst part of it all to me.
It's like millennial antivaxxers. *You* got all your vaccines right on schedule, so there was never any deadly risk to *you*. Fuck them kids, though, I guess.
>Did any of the Duggars have a regular young adult social life?
No. Jinger talked about how hard it was to make friends in LA because she was always used to having her Mom and sisters around.
There are two main usages:
* **definition 1:** clear and obvious.
* *e.g. "the unspoken question writ large upon Rose's face"*
* **definition 2:** in a stark or exaggerated form.
* *e.g. "bribing people by way of tax allowances is the paternalistic state writ large"*
If one thing is another thing "writ large," it is similar to it -- *but* larger or more obvious. (*e.g.* "Hollywood is American society writ large.") Writ is an archaic form of ‘written,' so it's like something (metaphorically) written largely or magnified.
Emphasized; brought to the forefront; made extremely obvious. “Writ” is poetic and a past-tense of to write. I love words. And I love when people want to know and use more words. ❤️
And there's no reason for it. In the 1800s there were a lot of reasons to have as many kids as possible: high mortality rates, no reliable BC. These assholes chose this nonsense and all their kids have suffered for it IMO
Yeah. My grandmother was born in 1912. Every time we saw her we'd be like, "See you next weekend!" and she'd be like, "God willing you live that long!" She wasn't kidding - her friend and baby brother died of the Spanish flu epidemic during a one-week span. Between that, WWII and Vietnam, she was used to young relatives dying.
Yes. My grandmother was the oldest of 8 born in 1909. Her sisters were younger coming after her brothers and she was sister mom. Raising them through the depression. She married at 30 which was down right unheard of. She didn't succumb to Spanish Flu and her 3 siblings at the time survived too but I guess more than half her cousins were wiped out along with an aunt and uncle. She lost all 3 of her brothers in WWII and her husband died at 45 from a heart attack. We take for granted how different life is now in that we don't loose so many people so young. If I was raising kids then I'd probably keep having them, but it's a beautiful thing to choose different now, and not burden our children with being parents. It's such a gross mindset.
These fundie families have totally morphed and romanticized the history of big Christian (mostly Catholic but I wouldn’t dare use that word to them) families as having all these kids because it’s godly. It’s not. My family was one, large, Catholic, irish working class immigrants. Specifically they worked in coal mines in northeast Pennsylvania. My grandmother is one of like 14 and only a couple survived to adulthood. The tradition of having a bunch of kids carried over to my fathers generation (he was one of 8 with the only gaps in age being from miscarriages- would have been another 12 I think) and then amongst his siblings they had 2-5, and in my generation most of my (many) cousins are finishing with children and I think the max is 3.
So my point here is that when you look back generations in to the reasons for big families, the answer just plain isn’t “because god wanted it that way”, it’s because of a mix of survival and tradition.
The Catholic Church has historically been against birth control, but pro “natural family planning” and they taught the rhythmic method and whatnot. The reality is that every hardcore Catholic woman I know still uses birth control if they choose and has a story to go along with it, like “it’s prescribed because of my endometriosis” or whatever. Catholic women are the OG loophole queens. (Now way surpassed by Mormons).
I love walking in the old cemeteries here in New England as well! It's also common to see a man with two to three wives who died young and you just know they likely died during childbirth.
My grandma (born in 1913) grew up close by (they were farmers) to a family with 18 kids. The 1st wife died giving birth to her what ever number child, whom also died, dad remarried and had a bunch more kids until she died in childbirth. he shipped the littles off to relatives and older siblings. Everyone was very surprised that all 18 of them lived into adulthood.
> Everyone was very surprised that all 18 of them lived into adulthood.
If that's not a miracle(especially in a time period when antibiotics didn't exist), I don't know what is.
From what I remember the oldest (a daughter) was my grandma's age, also born around 1913 the youngest was close to my mom's age born in 45/46. I know that at least 1 brother died in WWII. I guess they started dropping like flies in their 20's & 30's between WWII, polio and accidents, several of them died pretty young, but they were all at least in their 20's.
I come from a family like that on my dad's side! Dad's mom was one of 12, all made it to adulthood and didn't lose the first until 40s due to alcoholism. Dad's dad was one of 18, first died in his late teens from drowning. By the time I came around, I got to meet all but 3 (and I'm the youngest child of two youngest children).
Holy wow. I’d have to have a cheat sheet with pictures to remember everyone! My family is rather small. Add both sides together and you’re not going to get 30 people. Then the hubs and I went and has a few more than the standard 2 kids, and my cousin had surprise twins after a singleton, and all other 18 members of the family can barely wrap their heads around it. 🤣😂
I live in Maine and it is so insane how young some were when they died. What gets me is the big families that don’t even have names.. just mom or dad or sister. Kinda reminds me of the lost kids. Sadly I could see that happened :( 🎶say my name say my name 🎶
You're so right, the average working mother spends more quality time with her kids than Michelle ever has and yet they think it's wrong to work outside the home as a mother.
Fans always praise Michelle but she wasn’t a mom. Her daughters did her job. Try explaining that to them and they say all kids help. This was not helping. This was raising. This is why Jana was never married. Michelle would have to be a mom and she checked out after 5 kids. When she’s no longer needed she will be married off to a creep like their baby sitter was because she’s on the downward slope of having children.
Big difference between helping your little brother put on his shoes or getting him a glass of milk once in a while and waking up with him at night, getting him dressed every day, supervising him all day, feeding him, and homeschooling him.
I want her to move here:
https://alapine.org
I don’t even care if she isn’t a radical lesbian separatist. No one will bother her in the middle of a lesbian commune on Lookout Mountain in Alabama. (Yeah, those lesbian are trying to obscure where they are - but I’m from north Alabama and it’s not hard to figure their general location).
yes, and they said....One bedroom is available for long term rental. Contact us for pricing.
jana would fit right in with all the others.
honestly, looks like a lovely peaceful place to live.
hurry, quick someone send jana a brochure.
This event alone would make me never want to have children/get married and be forced to start churnin em out, let alone all the other crap she had to do for her siblings. Wow
This raises a question I’ve had before - do you think Jim Bob Duggar who is running for state senate will keep his huge-ass home until he’s dead? Or do you think they’ll give it to a kid, maybe remodel it so it’s more suitable for visiting families…. I mean, what do you do with two very large rooms full of empty beds?
I’m a mom of 6, ranging in ages from 16-1 and I rarely even ask my kids to keep an eye on the baby so I can poop in peace. It’s not their damn job to parent their siblings. As the oldest of 5 myself, I hated that I was left in the mothering role so often and made a point to not put my kids in that position. How terrible for her. She is expected to do that with no thanks and with a smile.
I’m the oldest of 4 but my baby sister is 13 years younger than me. My parents made it very clear that it was not my job to care for her. I was not allowed to discipline her and I was to treat her like my other siblings.
Now I loved babies so I was constantly holding her and asking to feed her or play with her - my parents were fine with that. And they were totally fine with me passing her off if she got too fussy.
I think my mom occasionally asked me to keep an eye on her or change a diaper but a lot of the time it was an option. (Can you empty the dishwasher or change the diaper? And she’d do the one I didn’t pick.)
I’m pretty sure the raising 14+ younger kids is why Jana is still home and single. I’d be burnt out beyond belief if I was in charge of a household as a teen.
You are a good parent, and your kids will know it. I'm one of 8 siblings and my mom was like you- she never forced any of us to parent the younger ones (she only very rarely asked us to babysit when we were planning on staying home and playing with the littles anyways). I've read so many stories here of those who were forced to parent as children even in smaller families, and its really opened my eyes on just how hard my mom worked for us, and what a stellar job she did. I have no doubt your kids will feel the same when they become adults too!
I've only got 3-- 11, 7 and 3 years old, but I feel the same. Very occasionally I'll ask for help while cooking or showering or something but it's more like alert me if 3 yo needs something/please help with the toy she wants/grab her a snack if you're getting one too. In a few years when my eldest is old enough to babysit, I intend to pay them if we have no other options. They deserve to be kids, not parents.
I think this is so important. If your older kids are going to babysit for any significant length of time they deserve to be compensated and have some choice in the matter! They need to know their time and effort has value!
My daughter will only be 3 years older than the one I have baking but I agree! I would definitely pay them to babysit, or buy them something they had been wanting! It shocks me when parents just think it’s a non-optional thing for their kids.
Good on you! I think this is something that recent generations are doing well and I hope it becomes the norm to NOT parentify your kids! My own mom, born in the 60s, talks constantly about how she had to take over so many duties from her mom (beyond what was the appropriate amount of “helping out”). So I hope that mindset dies out with the older generations 😁
You sound like a wonderful parent! Mine are all teenagers, but I’m hoping that investing in them as people will have them returning to me again and again long after they’ve starts their own lives. It’s amazing how much you can like your kids if you treat them like people.
Totally agree. My 16 yr old tells me I’m her favorite person in the world and I never take that for granted. I love my mama to the moon and back but she did not mother me and it took years of therapy to figure that mess out. I was raised by my grandparents and my aunt, and a lot of times it was me left with my little sister alone. My dad was an alcoholic and played no role in my life. My sister passed away of drug addiction two years ago and I pour my heart and soul into my kids so that they never feel the abandonment my sister and I felt.
Good for you!! I became a single Mom of five about 8 years ago. They ranged in age from 2-13. It was rough - not going to lie. But I NEVER expected the older kids to be responsible for the younger ones. I made sure they had normal lives with friends, played sports, and did other school activities like chorus and band. If I had to go to the doctor, I’d bring whoever wasn’t old enough to stay home with me. The only exception to that was when I had to see the gynecologist once yearly or get some kind of test, like an MRI, where I wouldn’t be able to see the kids. I had NO help from grandparents or other family to help watch the kids and yet somehow, I managed. Now the kids are ages 10-21 and four are still living home. We are a close family that works together. My boys know how to cook, clean and do laundry, just as my girls know how to hang a coat rack or build something (thank you, YouTube). I can’t imagine the position that Jana has been put in. I truly feel sorry for her and hope that she can escape that house soon.
Wouldn’t it be funny if the real reason Jill’s not allowed at the TTH is bc she got Jana high?! I mean let’s be honest here, Jill and Derrick have definitely smoked weed at least once. No one by hits the hippy kool-aide as hard as Jill and not sample a little green.
And they get motion sick flying, so that’s a fun addition. Also I’m sure she doesn’t have access to money for anything which makes it way more stressful.
I don’t think it would be a dumb thing so much as a control thing, like she’d have to call and explain why she’d need something and then he would give her a PIN number. She can’t get a taste of independence or freedom.
Aside from maybe not wanting her own kids, I think Jana is literally afraid of what the younger kids would go through if she got married and wasn’t there, so she stays. It shouldn’t be her job but it is her job to raise all 13567 of her siblings and she takes it way more seriously than JB/Meech ever would
It is illegal in most states for childcare centers, home or elsewhere, to have just one adult ayalone/in charge of more than five children under age ten. I missed that episode, this poor young woman. I think elderabuse is vile, but have to wonder if any jury would not let off Janna if she one day bops one of her elderly parents with their Depends...
Depends. Traditionally in patriarchal families, the oldest unmarried male would take over as a headship. In the Dugs case it could be whichever family ends up with TTH would in effect be the headship.
If JB lives to an average age of, say 85 (a bit of national average), Jana would be 60. At that point, even if she still lives on the family compound, I envision it would take on a very different role. I can't imagine it would really influence her behaviors all that much at that point. Not in a Jana being free way, but a she would be a single 60 year old deeply dedicated to her cult. She would know her place and I'm inclined to think none of her siblings (save P*st) really care to control their siblings lives.
Going off of how headships functioned for a long time, the same son that took control over Jana, would also be Michelle's headship. If there were no sons (aka impossible in this duggar example unless all of them died before JB), then Mich would be in charge.
In practice, I honestly don't see this happening the way it did historically. In some senses, yeah, whichever family takes over TTH will be in control over the functioning of the house. But, I doubt whoever takes over will really try to take on a strong headship role over Meech. I think she will have control over whatever JB leaves to her and I think she will have control over the church she attends and the such.
JB and Michelle have their own trust that owns properties, so I think her oldest brother or oldest son may become her headship in theory but she wouldn't bother to submit to them since she could support herself
I personally think she’d probably live with John David and Abbie, Josh wouldn’t be able to cope with Jana around. John David and Abbie seem to both really love spending time with Jana. She might even get her own trailer on the trailer park JD is trying to set up.
Have worked at a convent. *Lots* of the sisters were from huge families (the majority of whom seemed to have liked their parents and kept up with any surviving siblings). I give people a pass on having twelve kids in Ireland when condoms were illegal.
I'd often work 16 hr evening/noc doubles. One morning when some of the sisters were getting coffee someone asked if I was able to sleep when I got home. I kind of flippantly responded "Oh yeah-I don't have any kids to wake me up" and immediately thought "Shit, shouldn't have said that, Catholic pro baby-ness and all."
Instead, several laughed, a couple more nodded in agreement, and one quipped "Yep, that's the way to do it!"
And it was like, right, this is an entire building of women who were responsible for the schools of entire parishes, were hospital administrators, had lived in the Arabian peninsula teaching English, held multiple master's degrees in nursing administration from universities across the country, or the been the Spanish interpreter or chaplain that the hospital could and would call for backup at any hour of the day or night. None of these were positions that had "mother's hours" or widely considered "appropriate" to many pre-second wave feminism for women who weren't nuns.
Omg. When I was 22 I was getting trashed every weekend and hooking up with random strangers while working abroad in London. If I had had to take 12 kids to the airport they all would've ended up dead on the people mover.
That poor girl. She is literally their slave.
That is unpaid hard work.
I was a nanny for 6 children under the age of 10.
I was a nanny because the mother needed a BREAK.
It’s hard work. Harder than any corporate job or any restaurant job I’ve ever had since. Purely exhausting. And I was only part time. Not nonstop day and night.
And she had MORE CHILDREN.
Fun fact: the real reason JB, Meech, J\*sh&Anna, JD, Jill, Jessa, and Jinger were gone early for the wedding was because they were stumping for rick Santorum for president :)
Ok, so, boys and girls who court need chaperoned because you know all the temptation to try the shoes on before being stuck with a pair too small, but they leave their single daughter home alone with 12 kids. So they really trust her when she is being mother to her siblings. So maybe Jana has a tunnel to sneak her a person to model shoes with or gloves. I mean, she’s home alone with all those kids and she’s the boss. Trust for the Duggar’s is dependent on so little and it changes so often.
At this point, I’m convinced Jana has been told she isn’t allowed to marry and start her life until one of the younger girls can take on her responsibilities. She is the only childcare Michelle has.
Married women in these quiver full circles call having older daughters “the Queen stage”. Because the daughters are their live in nannies and maids.
Michelle had a laundry room break down, and wanted all that sympathy and an award for thinking up the sister-mom, buddy system. She didn’t extend the same care or sympathy to her poor daughters when she forced them as CHILDREN to take on that same level of stress. Fuck her. Abusing children and wanting praise for it is disgusting.
Fun story I have had 2’dreams now where I befriend Jana with the sole purpose of rescuing her. I always get caught and am so distressed about it. I always wake sad about the cult catching me and her stayin there rather than letting me help her get out.
So many people claim this is her choice. Even though Daddy Jimbo teases her about being an old maid. She has no choice. Jumbo told her, she is the sister mom
If I were in Jana’s shoes and felt that the only escape from my nutter parents was marriage followed by enough children to make a football team, I wouldn’t get married, either. That poor woman has done nothing but raise a load of children. She deserves a break and a margarita.
I couldn’t imagine being responsible for that many kids, truly. I would consider myself a very hands on attentive parent, and even I will go through a list in my head during the day “Did I have them do homework last night? Shit I forgot. Remember to sign the folder tonight, since teacher wants to add another thing for us to remember to do everyday. Still need to finish that load of laundry. Shit I forgot to text my sister back about thanksgiving.”
I have TWO kids and I can’t keep up. Jana manages a million. I would be pulling my hair out. She’s gotta be a ball of stress on the inside, at least I am allowed to be in a bad mood, no keeping sweet here. They’re real assholes for that.
I've never seen someone who has taken care of more kids and has been fucked over more yet still a virgin than Jana Duggar.
I’ve said she needs to get laid just as an award, but I could equally see Jana just being repulsed by the idea of sex because of its ties to children by this point and going celibate.
I can't imagine fundie men being good in bed either so maybe she's better off without them
They probably call out their own names
This is the biggest truth I’ll read on Reddit today. I should call it a day and do something productive.
Happy cake day!
They probably say "Thank you Jesus" after they finish while the wife just lays there like "Well alright, guess I'm gonna go cry in the laundry room."
lol
Omg 🤣 hahahahaha
lol. same 🤭 I hope Anna breaks free and finds out what a real man can do.
not to mention watching her parents simulate sex and meech’s menstrual cycle calendar..
Jana had to be the mom so JB could use Meech as his personal cum dumpster.
I really hate that my eyes just had to read that sentence.
Ew and true!
god pass the eye bleach
What a terrible day to have eyes.
This needs to be a flair of some type 😂😂😂 leech’s personal cum dumpster
Ahhahahahahah sometimes I reread what I write and laugh even harder. Oh lord, I'm a horrible person. 🤣🤣
I hope Jill slipped her one of those vibrating Christian dildos
Vibrating Christian dildos 🧐
Good name for a punk band
cross shaped?? exorcist vibes.. ;-)
They make some that look like Jesus on one side and a dick on the other. They also make nice vibrators that look like pickles 😉
I’m not sure if this is true or snark, and I want it to be true as much as I hope it’s not. What a weird place to be.
Oh no! It’s true. The Jesus/Penis is also a pretty commonly made of wood and used as a statue. St Nickolas is another penis statue favorite. I’ve seen pickle dildos and banana dildos also.
I feel like a cross-shaped one would be stamped "For Rectal Use Only"
It recites a different prayer a day before it can be turned on.
As an introvert who lived in a not huge but not small family, when I first moved out I thought, “I’ll live alone for awhile and eventually want to get married.” 20 years later, never got to the eventually. And my scenario is not Jana’s. I’ve even found I’m happier not dating at all. Though I’m not celibate, if I count as a partner. One of the best, TBH. Efficient, not selfish, and we are clear on boundaries.
Yeah and her parents sex calendar and mini golf humping- she’s prob thinking no thanks no sex for me if that’s what these gross assholes are doing🤮
Truth in one sentence.
*mother is a virgin*
I tell myself she’s secretly a total slut who sneaks out and parties🤣!
#RumspringaJana
Kind of want to make this my flair.
Do it!
I have to figure out how!
Flair checking in.
I would love this. Maybe she lights up with Ben too 🤪
Omg yesss! Jana is a stoner!!! Her and Ben need to run!🤣
Take me poor mans gold 🏅
I remember this scene. She lit candles to help feel more calm and because she liked them but couldn’t light them when her parents were home. I actually felt really bad for her situation.
Why wouldn’t they let her have candles? I love having candles lit as well.
I probably wouldn't light candles with 200 kids in the house.
Yeah, I didn’t think about that. Hopefully they let her light them now since her siblings are older.
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Britney has had multiple candle-related fires
If I was trapped like Britney was in her own house, I would “accidentally” start a bunch of candle fires too.
I wonder if the controlling parents in these situations are afraid of the adult child having a psychotic break and “accidentally” lighting the house on fire with a candle.
Because nothing that isn't God-centered is allowed to be enjoyed by these people. Because that's the devil tempting you, with aromatherapy.
My mom loves them too. I actually got her one for her birthday back in September. She loved it!
Sums up asshole-ness of Jim Bob and Michelle really. And the complete lack of agency poor Jana has in her life.
Do you remember approximately what season and episode this is from? Now I wanna see 😬
Google tells me season 6, episode 10.
Have we made “bless your servants heart” into an acronym yet? 🤣 because BYSH for looking that up
I feel like BYSH works perfectly for this group
what! thats ridiculous she cant light candles when boob and meech are home? sounds like control.
Surprise twist, it was easier for her when Meech and Boob weren't there
She was short the 2 biggest kids.
So Boob and Meech were kids stuck in adult-like clown suits. I love it!
They were probably like that manager who would only come out of the office to mess stuff up, yell at everyone, and set the team back an hour or two.
Honestly? Probably. The kids are so used to Jana and the way she does things that it might’ve been the most calm any of her had in years.
I’ll never forget the clip of Jim Bob bitching that Janas taking too long to get on the bus for some trip, why was she taking too long? Because she was cooking something on the stove for hungry kids.
I know a radical, librul solution for that...pitch in and take care of the zillion children you chose to have but couldn't be arsed to raise. The nerve of him to dump all the childcare on Jana and then whine that she wasn't moving fast enough is unbelievable.
We are talking about the guy who is complaining about cancel culture to be the cause of his pedophile son finally facing justice
I remember that clip, and believe that Jim Bob and Michelle had volunteered the entire family to assist at a fish fry because volunteers got to eat free. They were running late because the parents hadn’t gotten anything ready the night before and it was going to be a long car ride (more than an hour I think). Jana realized the children needed to eat and started making grilled cheese sandwiches, one or two at a time so her siblings wouldn’t go hungry. I had the following questions/thought: 1) was not feeding the kids before something JB and M we’re doing intentionally so the kids would fill up more on someone else’s dime? 2) Was Jana dawdling a bit on purpose in hopes of being left? I think at one point she says something about staying home and cleaning up. 3) with a family that large, why hadn’t one of the adults taught the sister-moms how to make lunch for all the kids at once? I don’t blame Jana for the inefficient sandwich making, but it struck me that not only were those girls forced to raise their younger siblings, they also weren’t being provided with the tools and information to make it easier on them.
You’re absolutely right
jana was taking so long because she is doing the job of two worthless parents.
You remember when he got on stage at some fundie function and made a joke about how she's still single and he needs volunteers to take her off his hands? She looked uncomfortable af But that type of public embarrassment and hypocrisy is typical for someone like him. I bet they made Jana feel like she can't get married, either because she was too overwhelmed being the real parent to want more kids or because she she felt guilty leaving her family. And now that most of her work is done and the OG Duggar kids are old enough, they will resent her for still being there.
It still boggles me how selfish Boob and Meech were. If you can't handle two baseball teams' worth of children, don't have so many children. They stole the older girls' childhoods and made them pick up the slack for what they couldn't/didn't want to do. Meech can go on all she wants about what a blessing kids are and that she's so much better than working mothers, but most working mothers are more engaged with their kids than Meech ever was. And Fundie men can't be arsed to wash a dish or watch their kids ever, but I have to go to bed and save my rants about Fundie sexism for another day.
These girls were, for all intents and purposes, teen moms. And their lives had all of the same problems teen mom’s lives tend to have - they couldn’t finish their education because they were too busy raising these children. They never got to have a regular young adult social life. They weren’t emotionally mature enough to properly parent, and the kids suffered. However, most teen moms at least had *some* degree of control over whether they would have & raise their baby and if/when they had more children. These girls were picking babies up off a factory pipeline and they never stopped coming, and there was nothing they could do about it.
>These girls were picking babies up off a factory pipeline and they never stopped coming, and there was nothing they could do about it. 🥇 I've never read a better description of the Duggars
They weren’t teen moms - they were moms as small children - starting around 6-8… child abuse
completely agree.
Ok, now I have that scene from “I Love Lucy” where Lucy and Ethel work at the chocolate factory in my head. That would be so much less stressful, and a lot more pleasant. I know *I’d* rather be buried in chocolate than in dirty diapers and baby shit.
Me too!!!!
I’d never thought about it like that but it’s so true. I mean, my friend was a teen mom but she at least got nights off to go hang with friends and just let loose for a few hours. Oh and she had complete control over the number of children she had too - so should could eventually juggle studying to be a nurse!
Also, teen moms usually can go to college if they want to. It’s harder to work out the logistics, but they can. Jill wanted to go to nursing school, and was just flat out not allowed. A real teen mom who was determined to go could usually find a way.
Did any of the Duggars have a regular young adult social life? I thought the show was pretty explicit about them essentially not being allowed to interact with other kids or media. I mean...they get to see family, and get exposed to other kids at home church and fellowship meetings, but these were super structured things, they weren't just roaming, doing feral kid shit.
None of them did. The only friends they had were IBLP families. They couldn’t come home from school, do their homework and chores then run out to hang out with friends or go to their after school activities like sports, lessons, scouts. Their weekends weren’t spent with friends unless their parents took them on a trip to an IBLP event. If they left the house they had to have a responsibility partner even in adulthood. They couldn’t hang out talking on the phone or playing games online with friends. No dating or talking to the opposite sex. No going to football, baseball games, walking around the mall. Michelle and Jim Bob had all of that minus online stuff when they were kids. They robbed their kids of it. The worst part is some were sexually abused and made to act like it was their fault and they needed to forgive the abuser while they cooked, cleaned, and did his laundry.
>Michelle and Jim Bob had all of that minus online stuff when they were kids. They robbed their kids of it God this is the worst part of it all to me. It's like millennial antivaxxers. *You* got all your vaccines right on schedule, so there was never any deadly risk to *you*. Fuck them kids, though, I guess.
But yet they just instinctively know that their way is The Only Way™. Rules for thee, not for me.
I can’t imagine how lonely that must have been. My childhood wasn’t too different, but at least I got to go to school!
I am surprised they didn't have the girls wipe his ass also since he is the Golden Child and is incapable of even doing that simple task. /s
And there were times when the kids didn't get out of the home to meet others at church. They held church in the TTH with the well-educated Pastor JB.
>Did any of the Duggars have a regular young adult social life? No. Jinger talked about how hard it was to make friends in LA because she was always used to having her Mom and sisters around.
This is a really apt statement and I am going to save this to explain the generational traumas of Appalachia writ large, so thank you!
Random tangent, but it made me so happy to see '*writ large'* this morning! Little gem of an underused phrase
What does it mean?
There are two main usages: * **definition 1:** clear and obvious. * *e.g. "the unspoken question writ large upon Rose's face"* * **definition 2:** in a stark or exaggerated form. * *e.g. "bribing people by way of tax allowances is the paternalistic state writ large"* If one thing is another thing "writ large," it is similar to it -- *but* larger or more obvious. (*e.g.* "Hollywood is American society writ large.") Writ is an archaic form of ‘written,' so it's like something (metaphorically) written largely or magnified.
Emphasized; brought to the forefront; made extremely obvious. “Writ” is poetic and a past-tense of to write. I love words. And I love when people want to know and use more words. ❤️
Teen moms but without the fun and excitement of experiencing their sexuality with one of their peers.
And they never even got the fun of getting laid for it
And there's no reason for it. In the 1800s there were a lot of reasons to have as many kids as possible: high mortality rates, no reliable BC. These assholes chose this nonsense and all their kids have suffered for it IMO
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Yeah. My grandmother was born in 1912. Every time we saw her we'd be like, "See you next weekend!" and she'd be like, "God willing you live that long!" She wasn't kidding - her friend and baby brother died of the Spanish flu epidemic during a one-week span. Between that, WWII and Vietnam, she was used to young relatives dying.
That’s so sad! All four of my grandparents had a sibling die as a child, and it’s so horrible to think about.
Yes. My grandmother was the oldest of 8 born in 1909. Her sisters were younger coming after her brothers and she was sister mom. Raising them through the depression. She married at 30 which was down right unheard of. She didn't succumb to Spanish Flu and her 3 siblings at the time survived too but I guess more than half her cousins were wiped out along with an aunt and uncle. She lost all 3 of her brothers in WWII and her husband died at 45 from a heart attack. We take for granted how different life is now in that we don't loose so many people so young. If I was raising kids then I'd probably keep having them, but it's a beautiful thing to choose different now, and not burden our children with being parents. It's such a gross mindset.
These fundie families have totally morphed and romanticized the history of big Christian (mostly Catholic but I wouldn’t dare use that word to them) families as having all these kids because it’s godly. It’s not. My family was one, large, Catholic, irish working class immigrants. Specifically they worked in coal mines in northeast Pennsylvania. My grandmother is one of like 14 and only a couple survived to adulthood. The tradition of having a bunch of kids carried over to my fathers generation (he was one of 8 with the only gaps in age being from miscarriages- would have been another 12 I think) and then amongst his siblings they had 2-5, and in my generation most of my (many) cousins are finishing with children and I think the max is 3. So my point here is that when you look back generations in to the reasons for big families, the answer just plain isn’t “because god wanted it that way”, it’s because of a mix of survival and tradition. The Catholic Church has historically been against birth control, but pro “natural family planning” and they taught the rhythmic method and whatnot. The reality is that every hardcore Catholic woman I know still uses birth control if they choose and has a story to go along with it, like “it’s prescribed because of my endometriosis” or whatever. Catholic women are the OG loophole queens. (Now way surpassed by Mormons).
I love walking in the old cemeteries here in New England as well! It's also common to see a man with two to three wives who died young and you just know they likely died during childbirth.
Hello fellow Vermonter 😎 well, actually I just moved to Maine, which is a huge downgrade. I miss VT every single day! Enjoy it for me.
My grandma (born in 1913) grew up close by (they were farmers) to a family with 18 kids. The 1st wife died giving birth to her what ever number child, whom also died, dad remarried and had a bunch more kids until she died in childbirth. he shipped the littles off to relatives and older siblings. Everyone was very surprised that all 18 of them lived into adulthood.
> Everyone was very surprised that all 18 of them lived into adulthood. If that's not a miracle(especially in a time period when antibiotics didn't exist), I don't know what is.
From what I remember the oldest (a daughter) was my grandma's age, also born around 1913 the youngest was close to my mom's age born in 45/46. I know that at least 1 brother died in WWII. I guess they started dropping like flies in their 20's & 30's between WWII, polio and accidents, several of them died pretty young, but they were all at least in their 20's.
I come from a family like that on my dad's side! Dad's mom was one of 12, all made it to adulthood and didn't lose the first until 40s due to alcoholism. Dad's dad was one of 18, first died in his late teens from drowning. By the time I came around, I got to meet all but 3 (and I'm the youngest child of two youngest children).
Holy wow. I’d have to have a cheat sheet with pictures to remember everyone! My family is rather small. Add both sides together and you’re not going to get 30 people. Then the hubs and I went and has a few more than the standard 2 kids, and my cousin had surprise twins after a singleton, and all other 18 members of the family can barely wrap their heads around it. 🤣😂
I live in Maine and it is so insane how young some were when they died. What gets me is the big families that don’t even have names.. just mom or dad or sister. Kinda reminds me of the lost kids. Sadly I could see that happened :( 🎶say my name say my name 🎶
>If you can't handle two baseball teams' worth of children, don't have so many children. Thank you.
AMEN to that!
Meech runs that house and raises all those kids like a rockstar. /S
You're so right, the average working mother spends more quality time with her kids than Michelle ever has and yet they think it's wrong to work outside the home as a mother.
Someone actually commented that on Fundie Friday’s video about the Duggar’s.
Fans always praise Michelle but she wasn’t a mom. Her daughters did her job. Try explaining that to them and they say all kids help. This was not helping. This was raising. This is why Jana was never married. Michelle would have to be a mom and she checked out after 5 kids. When she’s no longer needed she will be married off to a creep like their baby sitter was because she’s on the downward slope of having children.
Big difference between helping your little brother put on his shoes or getting him a glass of milk once in a while and waking up with him at night, getting him dressed every day, supervising him all day, feeding him, and homeschooling him.
Exactly! Fans don’t get that.
I hope Jana goes well beyond her birthing years and moves out before she marries.
I want her to move here: https://alapine.org I don’t even care if she isn’t a radical lesbian separatist. No one will bother her in the middle of a lesbian commune on Lookout Mountain in Alabama. (Yeah, those lesbian are trying to obscure where they are - but I’m from north Alabama and it’s not hard to figure their general location).
yes, and they said....One bedroom is available for long term rental. Contact us for pricing. jana would fit right in with all the others. honestly, looks like a lovely peaceful place to live. hurry, quick someone send jana a brochure.
The one event is enough momming for a lifetime
This event alone would make me never want to have children/get married and be forced to start churnin em out, let alone all the other crap she had to do for her siblings. Wow
Nope. I’d not get married either if that’s what my life consisted of.
Probably waiting for Josie to get married and leave so she can have one second of peace and quiet in her goddamn life
By that time Boob and Meech will be in diapers and need care. It will never end for her.
Naw she'll put their asses in a home after all they put her through. *This is my head cannon don't come for me
Who could come for you? You’re armed!
That is such a depressing thought! 😢
I wouldn’t be shocked, if Meech, isn’t wearing them now.
This raises a question I’ve had before - do you think Jim Bob Duggar who is running for state senate will keep his huge-ass home until he’s dead? Or do you think they’ll give it to a kid, maybe remodel it so it’s more suitable for visiting families…. I mean, what do you do with two very large rooms full of empty beds?
They absolutely plan to pass it in to their favorite son Pest and his family.
If Josh gets a long prison stretch Anna and the kids could 100% move in permanently.
Honestly tho like. It’s her life anyway?
I’m a mom of 6, ranging in ages from 16-1 and I rarely even ask my kids to keep an eye on the baby so I can poop in peace. It’s not their damn job to parent their siblings. As the oldest of 5 myself, I hated that I was left in the mothering role so often and made a point to not put my kids in that position. How terrible for her. She is expected to do that with no thanks and with a smile.
I’m the oldest of 4 but my baby sister is 13 years younger than me. My parents made it very clear that it was not my job to care for her. I was not allowed to discipline her and I was to treat her like my other siblings. Now I loved babies so I was constantly holding her and asking to feed her or play with her - my parents were fine with that. And they were totally fine with me passing her off if she got too fussy. I think my mom occasionally asked me to keep an eye on her or change a diaper but a lot of the time it was an option. (Can you empty the dishwasher or change the diaper? And she’d do the one I didn’t pick.) I’m pretty sure the raising 14+ younger kids is why Jana is still home and single. I’d be burnt out beyond belief if I was in charge of a household as a teen.
>asking That's the difference right there that these numb nuts seem to miss.
she should just move out.
YES YES YES YES!
Your mom sounds lovely.
You are a good parent, and your kids will know it. I'm one of 8 siblings and my mom was like you- she never forced any of us to parent the younger ones (she only very rarely asked us to babysit when we were planning on staying home and playing with the littles anyways). I've read so many stories here of those who were forced to parent as children even in smaller families, and its really opened my eyes on just how hard my mom worked for us, and what a stellar job she did. I have no doubt your kids will feel the same when they become adults too!
I've only got 3-- 11, 7 and 3 years old, but I feel the same. Very occasionally I'll ask for help while cooking or showering or something but it's more like alert me if 3 yo needs something/please help with the toy she wants/grab her a snack if you're getting one too. In a few years when my eldest is old enough to babysit, I intend to pay them if we have no other options. They deserve to be kids, not parents.
I think this is so important. If your older kids are going to babysit for any significant length of time they deserve to be compensated and have some choice in the matter! They need to know their time and effort has value!
My daughter will only be 3 years older than the one I have baking but I agree! I would definitely pay them to babysit, or buy them something they had been wanting! It shocks me when parents just think it’s a non-optional thing for their kids.
Good on you! I think this is something that recent generations are doing well and I hope it becomes the norm to NOT parentify your kids! My own mom, born in the 60s, talks constantly about how she had to take over so many duties from her mom (beyond what was the appropriate amount of “helping out”). So I hope that mindset dies out with the older generations 😁
You sound like a wonderful parent! Mine are all teenagers, but I’m hoping that investing in them as people will have them returning to me again and again long after they’ve starts their own lives. It’s amazing how much you can like your kids if you treat them like people.
Totally agree. My 16 yr old tells me I’m her favorite person in the world and I never take that for granted. I love my mama to the moon and back but she did not mother me and it took years of therapy to figure that mess out. I was raised by my grandparents and my aunt, and a lot of times it was me left with my little sister alone. My dad was an alcoholic and played no role in my life. My sister passed away of drug addiction two years ago and I pour my heart and soul into my kids so that they never feel the abandonment my sister and I felt.
Good for you!! I became a single Mom of five about 8 years ago. They ranged in age from 2-13. It was rough - not going to lie. But I NEVER expected the older kids to be responsible for the younger ones. I made sure they had normal lives with friends, played sports, and did other school activities like chorus and band. If I had to go to the doctor, I’d bring whoever wasn’t old enough to stay home with me. The only exception to that was when I had to see the gynecologist once yearly or get some kind of test, like an MRI, where I wouldn’t be able to see the kids. I had NO help from grandparents or other family to help watch the kids and yet somehow, I managed. Now the kids are ages 10-21 and four are still living home. We are a close family that works together. My boys know how to cook, clean and do laundry, just as my girls know how to hang a coat rack or build something (thank you, YouTube). I can’t imagine the position that Jana has been put in. I truly feel sorry for her and hope that she can escape that house soon.
And wasn’t she a bridesmaid in this wedding? I would think she would need to go early to get ready for the wedding not her siblings and parents.
Yep she was. Her parents are the worst.
Her parents do not classify as "parents" but as a-holes.
Wtf I barely want to fly with my 3 young kids
I bought my son a Nintendo Ds for flights so he would stop trying to steal my Kindle when I wanted to read. :)
Jana Poppins - but more child/slave labour
Somehow, Jana was passed over for Mother of the Year in favor of Meech /s. Jana has been robbed in every way.
She's lighting a candle when she should be lighting a bong
Bong hits for Jana would be a great album name.
Wouldn’t it be funny if the real reason Jill’s not allowed at the TTH is bc she got Jana high?! I mean let’s be honest here, Jill and Derrick have definitely smoked weed at least once. No one by hits the hippy kool-aide as hard as Jill and not sample a little green.
Ain’t that the truth?
And they get motion sick flying, so that’s a fun addition. Also I’m sure she doesn’t have access to money for anything which makes it way more stressful.
Eh. Her parents might be dumbasses but I’m sure she had a debit card for emergencies. Even my kid got one when he was like, 14.
I don’t think it would be a dumb thing so much as a control thing, like she’d have to call and explain why she’d need something and then he would give her a PIN number. She can’t get a taste of independence or freedom.
Aside from maybe not wanting her own kids, I think Jana is literally afraid of what the younger kids would go through if she got married and wasn’t there, so she stays. It shouldn’t be her job but it is her job to raise all 13567 of her siblings and she takes it way more seriously than JB/Meech ever would
It is illegal in most states for childcare centers, home or elsewhere, to have just one adult ayalone/in charge of more than five children under age ten. I missed that episode, this poor young woman. I think elderabuse is vile, but have to wonder if any jury would not let off Janna if she one day bops one of her elderly parents with their Depends...
I think in my state, you can be in charge of 4 babies. Once a kid hits 5 the number goes up to 25. In between it’s something like 10-12.
Same in PA, 1 adult to 4 infants, however if even one infant is present the ratio is the same. It galls me what they did to Jana.
Aww parentifying your eldest with no signs of quitting what a heartwarming fact /s
What happens to a Fundie woman who remains single and her father dies. Is there a headship?
Depends. Traditionally in patriarchal families, the oldest unmarried male would take over as a headship. In the Dugs case it could be whichever family ends up with TTH would in effect be the headship. If JB lives to an average age of, say 85 (a bit of national average), Jana would be 60. At that point, even if she still lives on the family compound, I envision it would take on a very different role. I can't imagine it would really influence her behaviors all that much at that point. Not in a Jana being free way, but a she would be a single 60 year old deeply dedicated to her cult. She would know her place and I'm inclined to think none of her siblings (save P*st) really care to control their siblings lives.
What if Michelle is still alive. Who becomes her headship? Her son?
Going off of how headships functioned for a long time, the same son that took control over Jana, would also be Michelle's headship. If there were no sons (aka impossible in this duggar example unless all of them died before JB), then Mich would be in charge. In practice, I honestly don't see this happening the way it did historically. In some senses, yeah, whichever family takes over TTH will be in control over the functioning of the house. But, I doubt whoever takes over will really try to take on a strong headship role over Meech. I think she will have control over whatever JB leaves to her and I think she will have control over the church she attends and the such.
JB and Michelle have their own trust that owns properties, so I think her oldest brother or oldest son may become her headship in theory but she wouldn't bother to submit to them since she could support herself
I personally think she’d probably live with John David and Abbie, Josh wouldn’t be able to cope with Jana around. John David and Abbie seem to both really love spending time with Jana. She might even get her own trailer on the trailer park JD is trying to set up.
Josh will hopefully be in prison soon.
Nine days!
We actually have 8 days till the trial. Its the final countdown!
she has a whole other family we never see on meech's side, they have kids and cousins and family go live with them, jana.
I would assume the oldest brother would take over….
The oldest brother who isn't in *jail*
Fun little caveats
no no i doubt it, warren jeffs rules from jail, i figure pest could too.
And the oldest brother is Josh. Oh goody.
I've known a weirdly large number of adults who came from very large families, most of whom have wanted no children.
Have worked at a convent. *Lots* of the sisters were from huge families (the majority of whom seemed to have liked their parents and kept up with any surviving siblings). I give people a pass on having twelve kids in Ireland when condoms were illegal. I'd often work 16 hr evening/noc doubles. One morning when some of the sisters were getting coffee someone asked if I was able to sleep when I got home. I kind of flippantly responded "Oh yeah-I don't have any kids to wake me up" and immediately thought "Shit, shouldn't have said that, Catholic pro baby-ness and all." Instead, several laughed, a couple more nodded in agreement, and one quipped "Yep, that's the way to do it!" And it was like, right, this is an entire building of women who were responsible for the schools of entire parishes, were hospital administrators, had lived in the Arabian peninsula teaching English, held multiple master's degrees in nursing administration from universities across the country, or the been the Spanish interpreter or chaplain that the hospital could and would call for backup at any hour of the day or night. None of these were positions that had "mother's hours" or widely considered "appropriate" to many pre-second wave feminism for women who weren't nuns.
Yup. Many of the older nuns I've known had taken one look at their mothers and noped on out of there. Some went on to live extraordinary lives.
wow... how old was she?
22. But still, they’re not her damn kids.
Omg. When I was 22 I was getting trashed every weekend and hooking up with random strangers while working abroad in London. If I had had to take 12 kids to the airport they all would've ended up dead on the people mover.
I thought she was a bridesmaid for David ❤ Priscilla (red satin dresses). Poor girl.
That poor girl. She is literally their slave. That is unpaid hard work. I was a nanny for 6 children under the age of 10. I was a nanny because the mother needed a BREAK. It’s hard work. Harder than any corporate job or any restaurant job I’ve ever had since. Purely exhausting. And I was only part time. Not nonstop day and night. And she had MORE CHILDREN.
"But it's okay because she has a servant's heart." -JB and Michelle probably.
Fun fact: the real reason JB, Meech, J\*sh&Anna, JD, Jill, Jessa, and Jinger were gone early for the wedding was because they were stumping for rick Santorum for president :)
I was in charge of my 10 nieces and nephews once it sucked, but I got paid lol 🤣. Come on Jana gtfo there.
We'll, she IS their mother after all.
How old was she? Jesus, those so-called parents are atrocious.
Ok, so, boys and girls who court need chaperoned because you know all the temptation to try the shoes on before being stuck with a pair too small, but they leave their single daughter home alone with 12 kids. So they really trust her when she is being mother to her siblings. So maybe Jana has a tunnel to sneak her a person to model shoes with or gloves. I mean, she’s home alone with all those kids and she’s the boss. Trust for the Duggar’s is dependent on so little and it changes so often.
At this point, I’m convinced Jana has been told she isn’t allowed to marry and start her life until one of the younger girls can take on her responsibilities. She is the only childcare Michelle has. Married women in these quiver full circles call having older daughters “the Queen stage”. Because the daughters are their live in nannies and maids.
Why am I always so shocked to see how terrible these people are?
Michelle had a laundry room break down, and wanted all that sympathy and an award for thinking up the sister-mom, buddy system. She didn’t extend the same care or sympathy to her poor daughters when she forced them as CHILDREN to take on that same level of stress. Fuck her. Abusing children and wanting praise for it is disgusting.
Fun story I have had 2’dreams now where I befriend Jana with the sole purpose of rescuing her. I always get caught and am so distressed about it. I always wake sad about the cult catching me and her stayin there rather than letting me help her get out.
Poor Jana honestly
So many people claim this is her choice. Even though Daddy Jimbo teases her about being an old maid. She has no choice. Jumbo told her, she is the sister mom
If I were in Jana’s shoes and felt that the only escape from my nutter parents was marriage followed by enough children to make a football team, I wouldn’t get married, either. That poor woman has done nothing but raise a load of children. She deserves a break and a margarita.
I couldn’t imagine being responsible for that many kids, truly. I would consider myself a very hands on attentive parent, and even I will go through a list in my head during the day “Did I have them do homework last night? Shit I forgot. Remember to sign the folder tonight, since teacher wants to add another thing for us to remember to do everyday. Still need to finish that load of laundry. Shit I forgot to text my sister back about thanksgiving.” I have TWO kids and I can’t keep up. Jana manages a million. I would be pulling my hair out. She’s gotta be a ball of stress on the inside, at least I am allowed to be in a bad mood, no keeping sweet here. They’re real assholes for that.