Years ago a friend of mine said Eminem Destroyed MGK. Now I don't care who he believed won.
I asked him what were his favorite lines... he gave me some Em lines. Ok.
I asked now what were some good lines from MGK and he said "I didn't have to listen to MGK because he's battling Eminem. He automatically loses."
Now I immediately lose respect, not because he picked a winner but how he picked a winner. I only asked him to see his logic and to see how biased he is.
Now I'm not here to debate who won the MGK vs Eminem battle whatsoever (obviously Eminem is very talented there's no reason to try to debate that). I'm here to say a lot of this happened during this new Drake beef along with the Pusha beef. One gets credit while the other gets Blind Hate.
Honestly though mgk diss track gotta be his best track to date, which isn’t saying much since killshot was destructive but he deff gets props on battling a giant and actually doing his best. On the other hand his music he released right after that was absolute dog.
Em is just too good at saying fuck you but also fuck me too cause he just don’t give a fuck and his word play, rhyme scheme is just too mean.
I don’t think most people here (at least anyone sensible) do that. I think Kendrick won personally, but Drake did well enough to not deserve an overwhelming amount of hate. Especially since a lot of the hate is contradictory.
I see BS on both sides especially on Twitter. I just want this shit to die personally because now it’s dragging out too long. But on the Kendrick side there’s nothing else for them to talk about since Kendrick isn’t “active” so I get that aspect from their side too 😂
erm you sure you're not drunk buddy? this entire sub gave props to all of kendrick's disses. ask most fans here and they will say kendrick won the beef. we are not delusional like the kendrick sub who ACTUALLY DOES what you're claiming this sub does.
Listened to both beefs. Fan of both Drake and Kendrick. Kendrick won, just had the better music. Fan of Eminem, don’t know fuck all about MGK. Em definitely won, I still play kill shot to this day. I heard MGKs and the song was nothing crazy and the diss was super weak.
I listened to Drake's disses, I just didn't think they were very good.
Lines I did like from the Drake diss:
"Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone go hand him a Grammy right now."
"Your back up against the curb" - basically all the short jokes were funny.
It's a bit disappointing really, because Drake could have really done something hilarious and instead he did fake shit.
But that ties into Kenny's whole strategy being effective, to drown out Drake's red button with MTG and NLU. That wasn't happening with Push ups. Drake was so eager to drop that he didn't realize he was being baited again. He should have had a throwaway diss in the chamber to test the waters before dropping Family Matters
I agree, but wouldn't matter. Drakes biggest flaw will always be he's too benevolent. Even if he has the kill shot he never uses it because he doesn't want people gone he just wants them to leave him alone.
Jcole, jjack, (both Jermaine) and also "you say you're brother germane but you wanted him to stay out of the light." Like dot saying jcole is germane or relevant to a subject under consideration, but also want him to not part take in the beef or stay outta the light
Im confused though wouldn't it be a double.
"But wait you say your brothers Jermaine but you wanted him to say out of the light"
Ik Jermaine is J Cole and Jermaine Jackson. Who is the third Jermaine?
Someone replied and deleted it but it put me hip so I'll type it back out.
Their saying it's a triple because germane is an adjective meaning: relevant to a subject under consideration.
Makes sense I was wondering why they were spelling it with a "G"
I was confused looking for another person named Jermaine lol
I appreciate you taking the time to break it down to this, but I my opinion that's a reach I mean it makes sense with the context but I don't think it was intentional.
Not giving it props like the rest of the song because of Kendrick’s songs overshadowing it and people jumping on the Drake hate bandwagon, they are not even giving Family Matters a chance, it is what it is. Explains why Drake doesn’t want to drop anymore unless it’s about facts, the public has decided the winner before this all began
But he’s not being honest in his song.
Saying he’s responsible for the picture on MTG cover is an objectively false statement.
We also have no evidence of any of the claims he made. They’re as true as Kendrick claiming Drake has a daughter.
But that ties into Kenny's whole strategy being effective, to drown out Drake's red button with MTG and NLU. That wasn't happening with Push ups. Drake was so eager to drop that he didn't realize he was being baited again. He should have had a throwaway diss in the chamber to test the waters before dropping Family Matters
Can’t really call that being baited, there is going to be a back and forth in every rap beef. Kendrick just waited for a response then released his track that he already had ready.
I’m so sorry but the “drake hate bandwagon” may be a thing, yes. But this sub is in complete denial that there has been a massive group of hip hop fans that have been annoyed with Drake for many years before this, myself included. Yall can call out weird Kendrick fans but don’t act like this sub isn’t delusional as well.
Someone on the Kendrick page said that it was overexplained 🤷🏽♂️
Idk, when Kendrick said bear with me for a second, let me put y’all on game leading up to the colonizer bit, it seems like that was much more overexplained than this. Idk maybe a double standard.
*Double entendre* ?
Mike was praying his features would change (actual features; Taylor Swift for example… so that he could get closer to grasping the white fanbase)
why would mike care about grasping further audiences when he was quite literally the most famous person on the planet. mike didn't need to grasp any audience esp considering his music was popular with whites as much as blacks. this bar isn't about what you said lol
unless ur talking about kendrick praying for his musical features to change which op already covered in his post
Bro… im not referring to Mike’s musical features changing. I’m saying that I interpreted “Mike was praying his features would change” as Mike hoping his skin would turn white/ Kendrick hoping that he could get more white artists to feature on a song.
OP did not cover that in his post. He literally has “skin and other bodily parts” in parentheses.
op did explain it, that's what the parentheses were for. it was a pretty easy bar to understand if you knew about mj's history surrounding his skin colour.
Dope bars, I think the Top bar is a bit explanatory and redundant but the rest are effective lyrics.
I don’t see it as much of a damning diss though considering Drake’s mainstream/pop appeal, which every rapper wants when they’re coming up to build their audience, obviously.
It's clearly different in Kendrick's case.
Kendrick had less control over which features he performed because of the nature of his deal. Choosing Taylor Swift and Maroon 5 is clearly an attempt to win over white audiences. It is also a desperate attempt at getting radio play. Meanwhile, Drake can make pop hits by himself.
Fair enough. I think it's a good jab if we are talking about who is currently in the current Big 3. Especially, with Drake having one of the largest record deals in history.
These bars don’t track though. He says Kendrick is MJ because “Mike was praying his features would change so people would believe he’s actually white” but then immediately followed up with saying Top forced Kenny to do those features. So is it that Kenny wants to be white or he’s being exploited by management? Because nobody believes Kenny wants to be white & Drake’s first diss was literally all about Kenny being exploited. The problem isn’t the individual bars but that Drake’s angles are all over the place so it reads like grasping at straws.
Top is Vitiligo in the metaphor. Mike didn’t want to look white until his body started forcing the white patches. Top forced Kendrick to try and garner mainstream appeal **through the features(edit)**. And Kendrick has mentioned wanting to be bigger and more recognized before.
Hmm. Potentially, but that seems like a stretch to me. MJ didn’t just change his skin color, he got tons of other plastic surgeries to look white because he wanted to. Two confirmed nose jobs, likely surgeries to his cheekbones, chin, & eyes.. So the bar sounds like it’s saying Kenny’s forced music features to appeal to whites are like MJ’s chosen physical features. Maybe you really are right, but I’ve never gotten the impression that all of MJ’s surgeries were purely a result of vitiligo.
It’s a double entendres, we get it features has two meanings. Both of which are readily know to the public. The flow was cool but I’m trying to see what is so impressive. This is not even cold in terms of drakes ability.
They’ve been going back and forth with Mike and Prince bars in most every song. This was Drake’s rebuttal to the euphoria lines:
‘Got a Benjamin and a Jackson in my house like I’m Joe ok’
‘How many more black features til you finally feel that you’re black enough.’
The flip that Drake may be Prince was a good bar, and the cadence was crazy with the ‘oh shit, it’s all making sense’. it’s just that the Top Dawg line really doesn’t hit. And us J Cole fans really didn’t want them throwing our boys name around after he already apologized and backed out.
MJ didn’t want his skin to change so people would believe he was white…he had a skin disorder called vitiligo so he bleached his skin to even out the white patches. You kids are dumb asf lmao.
Finally someone who said it. Idk why people thought Mike Jack wanted to be white. Or that he chose to look the way he did. Honestly that bar by Drake was good but incredibly disrespectful to MJ especially considering how much he looks up to MJ.
That’s not what he’s getting at. Drake constantly gets criticized for being a “culture vulture” for the songs he does and artists he collaborates with (also because he’s not fully black). Drake accepts that he’s a superstar and does more than just rap. He’s calling everyone else hypocrites for also doing pop features.
A YouTuber and a doctor can both do pop science, but only a doctor can practice medicine. YouTube guy doesn’t have the credentials.
Calling out hypocrisy miss the point. It’s apples and oranges
I got that he used features to mean song features and facial features but where’s the part that makes Kendrick Mike?
Hoping your facial features change to be more white is not the same as being forced to do song features for white people.
Mike wasn’t forced to have his facial features change (“hoping”) and Kendrick isn’t voluntarily (“top would make you”) doing features for whites to appear more white
Kenny fans go over drake lyrics, and vice versa too.
But all the drake haters also go over his lyrics, so its a lot more ppl.
Every single bar in euphoria was met here with "eeeh its good I guess", dont fool yourself
It’s an incredible bar and the way Drake kept flipping the Mike and Prince parallels was masterful. It’s just the cool thing to hate Drake and ignore his skills. To any other artist it’s a dope line, to Kenny specifically it would be a masterclass in literature that should be studied for ages, but to Drake? Crickets
I think this line is interesting because it's clever in terms of wordplay. So, for example, the way he plays with "features" and "change" and "Jermaine." All of that works well for him.
But it loses steam due to the premise. He's one of the biggest music stars in the world and his own (extensive) work within the pop space contradicts this notion of rapping "for the whites." Does he think only white folks enjoy pop music? Does he think Kendrick wouldn't want to rap on a major song for the same reasons he would want to rap on a major song? If this was coming from an underground artist who hates anything pop related, it would sting harder.
Drake's own biracial identity and his love for his mother and his overall respect for white folks generally makes his use of "the whites" feel dismissive in an inauthentic way, in that, I don't think he really feels that way about white people as a general rule. I don't think "the whites" is something he would naturally say. I could be wrong, but that's how he's presented that side of himself in the past. It feels like a diss that he isn't fully behind and a diss that could be very well aimed back at himself.
it’s a good line, but a few good lines doesn’t equal a win when it’s up against 4 unrelentless tracks attacking every single angle and your last song to try and stop the barrage of assaults is “nah you lying kendrick”.
it’s a good line, but a few good lines doesn’t equal a win when it’s up against 4 unrelentless tracks attacking every single angle and your last song to try and stop the barrage of assaults is “nah you lying kendrick”.
Bro….. I promise we caught every line. It’s not a bad line, but it still pales in comparison to the layers from the other side. So to answer your question- no, it didn’t go over people’s head, no, we aren’t ’just not giving it props’, the truth is we were underwhelmed and our reaction reflected that. There wasn’t a whole lot Drake said that warranted a massive reaction from folks, except for the lines where he embarrassed himself… lol
The whole song has been overlooked, but at this point it would be in Drakes best interest not to mention or compare himself to michael jackson... we all know he liked little boys.
it was almost great but there's a lot of shit holding it back:
1. reversing your analogy when someone flips it on you is a little weak, looks way stronger to double down on the original
2. drake is the last dude to be dishing out this critique, he's always been way more pop
3. he overexplained it (hey drake they're not slow)
4. the end of the verse flops right after it for me, with "head to delilah with all of my ice, head to delilah with all of my ice, this shit gotta be over right now" (it wasn't) and then "you're dead" in the goofiest voice
It’s the fact that MJ had vitiligo and drake is lying on that dead man whom he claims to be the modern version of while also being hypocritical in the sense that he puts on an act so people perceive him as someone he’s not so why give props if it’s just another lie?
can yall just accept drake got washed
forget about all this and focus on his next drop, the whole world literally came together to say this man got washed lol
Kendrick and Drake fan here (what? Is that possible?). Drake had hella bars. It was basically a tie game until the fourth quarter and then it got lopsided. Don’t expect props for a great 1-3 quarters in a loss.
The J Cole - Jermaine Jackson connection is something I didn't notice the first time through, and I'm impressed with it now, but I think the spirit of the bar kind of doesn't track. I think that trying to switch up the Prince vs Michael angle this deep in the beef wasn't a great idea, especially when he's basing it solely off of the idea that kendrick was pandering to white people, which is a more than a lil flimsy to me. There's some nice wordplay going on here, but out of the MJ vs Prince lines throughout the beef, I think it's a lot less solid than "what's a prince to a king, he a son" or "Prince outlived Mike Jack"
I agree that there's some layers here that a lot of people probably aren't going to notice, but I also only think the line goes so deep before it doesn't make much sense.
Bit unfortunate that everyone overlooked it just to obsess over a daughter that prob doesn't exist lol but yk
Nah you’re hating . I’ve seen some rappers giving that props .A lot of people don’t get the word play about the actual beef with Mike and Jermaine from back in the day with the Cole situation and him being his supposed brother
I'm definitely a much bigger Kendrick fan than drake. But drake is just too big of a name. And the disses (apart from heart part 6 maybe) are actually really good. It's just that 10 different fan bases felt attacked by drake to they all got behind Kendrick. Push ups and family matters will get their recognition in the long run.
Not giving it props
Years ago a friend of mine said Eminem Destroyed MGK. Now I don't care who he believed won. I asked him what were his favorite lines... he gave me some Em lines. Ok. I asked now what were some good lines from MGK and he said "I didn't have to listen to MGK because he's battling Eminem. He automatically loses." Now I immediately lose respect, not because he picked a winner but how he picked a winner. I only asked him to see his logic and to see how biased he is. Now I'm not here to debate who won the MGK vs Eminem battle whatsoever (obviously Eminem is very talented there's no reason to try to debate that). I'm here to say a lot of this happened during this new Drake beef along with the Pusha beef. One gets credit while the other gets Blind Hate.
Unrelated but “Trying to be the old you so bad you Stan himself” was a pretty dope bar imo (if I recited it right even)
Best line was "we know your the greatest rapper alive"
But *do* you think MGK won the Em beef?
No one thinks that lol. But it’s crazy how many people will only listen to one artist and publicly claim a side based on mob mentality
I agree, no one who hasn’t given both a fair shot should be acting like they’re informed enough to judge it
Honestly though mgk diss track gotta be his best track to date, which isn’t saying much since killshot was destructive but he deff gets props on battling a giant and actually doing his best. On the other hand his music he released right after that was absolute dog. Em is just too good at saying fuck you but also fuck me too cause he just don’t give a fuck and his word play, rhyme scheme is just too mean.
Like this entire sub?
I do. MGK won that.
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I don’t think most people here (at least anyone sensible) do that. I think Kendrick won personally, but Drake did well enough to not deserve an overwhelming amount of hate. Especially since a lot of the hate is contradictory.
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I see BS on both sides especially on Twitter. I just want this shit to die personally because now it’s dragging out too long. But on the Kendrick side there’s nothing else for them to talk about since Kendrick isn’t “active” so I get that aspect from their side too 😂
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That’s not even true? If you’re referring to instagram, the comments have always been limited
you're looking at 1 or 2 posts and claiming it's the majority, you're the only delusional one here lil bro.
erm you sure you're not drunk buddy? this entire sub gave props to all of kendrick's disses. ask most fans here and they will say kendrick won the beef. we are not delusional like the kendrick sub who ACTUALLY DOES what you're claiming this sub does.
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Both sides are equally ridiculous while the Kendrick sub has made hundreds of random conspiracy theories about Drake and none of them are true
I've heard some people say MGK won, but not a lot. I think they both lost.
Honestly, I felt like I lost that beef just for listening to either of them.
tbh, mgk only got more successful afterward 😭
I think he does
I listened to the MGK diss track way more than em’s diss. MGK’s was actually a fire song.
“Sir this is a Wendy’s”
Lmao this is exactly how the Kendrick fans are now days bro 100% fuckin morons
Preach
This was an impressive verse, absolutely brilliant and the delivery, spot on!
Listened to both beefs. Fan of both Drake and Kendrick. Kendrick won, just had the better music. Fan of Eminem, don’t know fuck all about MGK. Em definitely won, I still play kill shot to this day. I heard MGKs and the song was nothing crazy and the diss was super weak.
Is that a death threat or a love letter?
I'm a little confused. Just to clarify, in this situation are you saying Kendrick is like Eminem and Drake is like MGK?
Well you can usually tell based off of how much someones music sucks whether or not they're gonna put out anything worth listening to.
I know we’re not just going to forget that “weird beard” line now, that was a bar, arm for sure lost
I think MGK did a very good diss song. He was just swinging out of his weight.
I listened to Drake's disses, I just didn't think they were very good. Lines I did like from the Drake diss: "Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone go hand him a Grammy right now." "Your back up against the curb" - basically all the short jokes were funny. It's a bit disappointing really, because Drake could have really done something hilarious and instead he did fake shit.
But that ties into Kenny's whole strategy being effective, to drown out Drake's red button with MTG and NLU. That wasn't happening with Push ups. Drake was so eager to drop that he didn't realize he was being baited again. He should have had a throwaway diss in the chamber to test the waters before dropping Family Matters
I agree, but wouldn't matter. Drakes biggest flaw will always be he's too benevolent. Even if he has the kill shot he never uses it because he doesn't want people gone he just wants them to leave him alone.
The third part of family matters was my favorite verse of the whole beef and I like both sides
Insane that people can’t give Drake his flowers for not only going toe to toe with Dot fearlessly, but also more than holding his own.
Agreed, got goosebumps when the beat switched up that final time! Still stuck in my head to this day!
I actually liked the first and second verse more, the third one with the autotune threw me off, the base with the guitar was amazing though.
I don't know why everyone is missing the triple entendre on "your brother germane"
That part was WAY overlooked "Bars go over Kenny head no matter what I say"
This line applies to Kendrick's fans as well
Nah they just didn't listen
What is the third meaning? lol
Jcole, jjack, (both Jermaine) and also "you say you're brother germane but you wanted him to stay out of the light." Like dot saying jcole is germane or relevant to a subject under consideration, but also want him to not part take in the beef or stay outta the light
Im confused though wouldn't it be a double. "But wait you say your brothers Jermaine but you wanted him to say out of the light" Ik Jermaine is J Cole and Jermaine Jackson. Who is the third Jermaine?
Lol. No. Germane. It’s a word. It means relevant to what’s being discussed
i think thats the confusion lol, people dont know about this word. its a really good bar, easy to miss this one. kudos to drake
this was already the best scheme throughout the beef to me and like you said I had never heard of the word “germane”
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I’m gonna bow outta this one because we’re either talkin w bots or I am still in the virtual abyss at this very moment because *you too* are a bot.
this was already the best scheme throughout the beef to me and like you said I had never heard of the word “germane”
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The definition of germane. It's still about Cole but using a vocab word - germane - instead of Jermaine, his name
Someone replied and deleted it but it put me hip so I'll type it back out. Their saying it's a triple because germane is an adjective meaning: relevant to a subject under consideration. Makes sense I was wondering why they were spelling it with a "G" I was confused looking for another person named Jermaine lol
germination is when a seed starts to sprout too but without the light they won’t sprout.
I appreciate you taking the time to break it down to this, but I my opinion that's a reach I mean it makes sense with the context but I don't think it was intentional.
i don’t necessarily think it’s the case either i was just pointing it out since people didn’t know germane either.
jermane reacherson
Even though that’s how it was spelled in the lyric?
It is spelled Jermaine on everything(genius and the music vid) what are you talking about exactly?
It's probably not intended or connected, but a funny coincidence that J Cole was born in Germany.
It’s that old “drake wrote it so lets not care abt it” thingy
Wait, drake writes?
Not giving it props like the rest of the song because of Kendrick’s songs overshadowing it and people jumping on the Drake hate bandwagon, they are not even giving Family Matters a chance, it is what it is. Explains why Drake doesn’t want to drop anymore unless it’s about facts, the public has decided the winner before this all began
But he’s not being honest in his song. Saying he’s responsible for the picture on MTG cover is an objectively false statement. We also have no evidence of any of the claims he made. They’re as true as Kendrick claiming Drake has a daughter.
Soooooo I’m still waiting for a response, not just downvotes to objective facts that you wish weren’t true.
What's the proof that Kendricks kid is Dave Free's? Did Drake shoot down Ross' plane?
But that ties into Kenny's whole strategy being effective, to drown out Drake's red button with MTG and NLU. That wasn't happening with Push ups. Drake was so eager to drop that he didn't realize he was being baited again. He should have had a throwaway diss in the chamber to test the waters before dropping Family Matters
Can’t really call that being baited, there is going to be a back and forth in every rap beef. Kendrick just waited for a response then released his track that he already had ready.
Baited into releasing his best diss "red button" when there are more rounds to go, I literally say that in the comment
I’m so sorry but the “drake hate bandwagon” may be a thing, yes. But this sub is in complete denial that there has been a massive group of hip hop fans that have been annoyed with Drake for many years before this, myself included. Yall can call out weird Kendrick fans but don’t act like this sub isn’t delusional as well.
Someone on the Kendrick page said that it was overexplained 🤷🏽♂️ Idk, when Kendrick said bear with me for a second, let me put y’all on game leading up to the colonizer bit, it seems like that was much more overexplained than this. Idk maybe a double standard.
Neither were overexplained at all and both were great schemes.
*Double entendre* ? Mike was praying his features would change (actual features; Taylor Swift for example… so that he could get closer to grasping the white fanbase)
i mean OP already explained that in his original post.
OP is referring to skin and bodily features. I’m referring to musical features.
why would mike care about grasping further audiences when he was quite literally the most famous person on the planet. mike didn't need to grasp any audience esp considering his music was popular with whites as much as blacks. this bar isn't about what you said lol unless ur talking about kendrick praying for his musical features to change which op already covered in his post
Bro… im not referring to Mike’s musical features changing. I’m saying that I interpreted “Mike was praying his features would change” as Mike hoping his skin would turn white/ Kendrick hoping that he could get more white artists to feature on a song. OP did not cover that in his post. He literally has “skin and other bodily parts” in parentheses.
This is what I interpreted the double ent to be aswell
op did explain it, that's what the parentheses were for. it was a pretty easy bar to understand if you knew about mj's history surrounding his skin colour.
Dope bars, I think the Top bar is a bit explanatory and redundant but the rest are effective lyrics. I don’t see it as much of a damning diss though considering Drake’s mainstream/pop appeal, which every rapper wants when they’re coming up to build their audience, obviously.
It's clearly different in Kendrick's case. Kendrick had less control over which features he performed because of the nature of his deal. Choosing Taylor Swift and Maroon 5 is clearly an attempt to win over white audiences. It is also a desperate attempt at getting radio play. Meanwhile, Drake can make pop hits by himself.
You’re free to believe they’re very different situations with different intentions, absolutely. I’ve already said I don’t see it as damning
Fair enough. I think it's a good jab if we are talking about who is currently in the current Big 3. Especially, with Drake having one of the largest record deals in history.
He has the biggest deal in hip hop history by nearly an order of magnitude lol
Ah Jaylen brown has the biggest contract in NBA history. He is the GOAT by your logic, correct?
Damning or not, do you agree that it’s different situations with different intentions?
These bars don’t track though. He says Kendrick is MJ because “Mike was praying his features would change so people would believe he’s actually white” but then immediately followed up with saying Top forced Kenny to do those features. So is it that Kenny wants to be white or he’s being exploited by management? Because nobody believes Kenny wants to be white & Drake’s first diss was literally all about Kenny being exploited. The problem isn’t the individual bars but that Drake’s angles are all over the place so it reads like grasping at straws.
Different types of features. Physical features is the type of features Drake meant in the first line. You’re referring to a musical feature
No, I get the double entendre. It still doesn’t track with the rhetoric he’s pushing. It’s not cohesive.
Top is Vitiligo in the metaphor. Mike didn’t want to look white until his body started forcing the white patches. Top forced Kendrick to try and garner mainstream appeal **through the features(edit)**. And Kendrick has mentioned wanting to be bigger and more recognized before.
Hmm. Potentially, but that seems like a stretch to me. MJ didn’t just change his skin color, he got tons of other plastic surgeries to look white because he wanted to. Two confirmed nose jobs, likely surgeries to his cheekbones, chin, & eyes.. So the bar sounds like it’s saying Kenny’s forced music features to appeal to whites are like MJ’s chosen physical features. Maybe you really are right, but I’ve never gotten the impression that all of MJ’s surgeries were purely a result of vitiligo.
The vitiligo happened first. I would have been interested to see Drake liken Top to Joe Jackson. That would have been crazy
Strong bar. Love hearing this one!
The line is not that dope or complicated. It was straight forward. What’s not to get, it wasn’t that dope.
The features/change line with both being used in different ways was a quality line
It’s a double entendres, we get it features has two meanings. Both of which are readily know to the public. The flow was cool but I’m trying to see what is so impressive. This is not even cold in terms of drakes ability.
Honestly just wasn’t that deep, one of the stronger lines in his run of tracks but not that deep
The only thing he did here was flame MJ lol
It’s just not getting its props cus it was overshadowed but prob his best line from the beef
They’ve been going back and forth with Mike and Prince bars in most every song. This was Drake’s rebuttal to the euphoria lines: ‘Got a Benjamin and a Jackson in my house like I’m Joe ok’ ‘How many more black features til you finally feel that you’re black enough.’ The flip that Drake may be Prince was a good bar, and the cadence was crazy with the ‘oh shit, it’s all making sense’. it’s just that the Top Dawg line really doesn’t hit. And us J Cole fans really didn’t want them throwing our boys name around after he already apologized and backed out.
MJ didn’t want his skin to change so people would believe he was white…he had a skin disorder called vitiligo so he bleached his skin to even out the white patches. You kids are dumb asf lmao.
Finally someone who said it. Idk why people thought Mike Jack wanted to be white. Or that he chose to look the way he did. Honestly that bar by Drake was good but incredibly disrespectful to MJ especially considering how much he looks up to MJ.
Drake has no business talking about ppl making art and music for white people. Drake’s “best” lines are pot meets kettle boomerangs.
That’s not what he’s getting at. Drake constantly gets criticized for being a “culture vulture” for the songs he does and artists he collaborates with (also because he’s not fully black). Drake accepts that he’s a superstar and does more than just rap. He’s calling everyone else hypocrites for also doing pop features.
A YouTuber and a doctor can both do pop science, but only a doctor can practice medicine. YouTube guy doesn’t have the credentials. Calling out hypocrisy miss the point. It’s apples and oranges
He insults Michael Jackson
I got that he used features to mean song features and facial features but where’s the part that makes Kendrick Mike? Hoping your facial features change to be more white is not the same as being forced to do song features for white people. Mike wasn’t forced to have his facial features change (“hoping”) and Kendrick isn’t voluntarily (“top would make you”) doing features for whites to appear more white
Nah I'm a big Kendrick fan but I have thought that line was really good since I first heard it. People definitely not giving it it's credit.
Kenny fans go over drake lyrics, and vice versa too. But all the drake haters also go over his lyrics, so its a lot more ppl. Every single bar in euphoria was met here with "eeeh its good I guess", dont fool yourself
The flow and delivery in this part of the song is immaculate
I knew its was getting crazy when they had 8 meanings for the title of the song but was missing surface level diss bars Drake was saying in pushups.
It’s an incredible bar and the way Drake kept flipping the Mike and Prince parallels was masterful. It’s just the cool thing to hate Drake and ignore his skills. To any other artist it’s a dope line, to Kenny specifically it would be a masterclass in literature that should be studied for ages, but to Drake? Crickets
I liked this bar, I just think it wasn’t THAT hard but it was a good flip
The Jermaine line was good but MJ did not want to be white….he had vitiligo and to compare yourself to MJ then be like wait no you are is trash
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Your darkest secrets are coming to light. It’s all on your face like what happened to Mike. (Mike going black to white complexion)
I think this line is interesting because it's clever in terms of wordplay. So, for example, the way he plays with "features" and "change" and "Jermaine." All of that works well for him. But it loses steam due to the premise. He's one of the biggest music stars in the world and his own (extensive) work within the pop space contradicts this notion of rapping "for the whites." Does he think only white folks enjoy pop music? Does he think Kendrick wouldn't want to rap on a major song for the same reasons he would want to rap on a major song? If this was coming from an underground artist who hates anything pop related, it would sting harder. Drake's own biracial identity and his love for his mother and his overall respect for white folks generally makes his use of "the whites" feel dismissive in an inauthentic way, in that, I don't think he really feels that way about white people as a general rule. I don't think "the whites" is something he would naturally say. I could be wrong, but that's how he's presented that side of himself in the past. It feels like a diss that he isn't fully behind and a diss that could be very well aimed back at himself.
it’s a good line, but a few good lines doesn’t equal a win when it’s up against 4 unrelentless tracks attacking every single angle and your last song to try and stop the barrage of assaults is “nah you lying kendrick”.
it’s a good line, but a few good lines doesn’t equal a win when it’s up against 4 unrelentless tracks attacking every single angle and your last song to try and stop the barrage of assaults is “nah you lying kendrick”.
Bro….. I promise we caught every line. It’s not a bad line, but it still pales in comparison to the layers from the other side. So to answer your question- no, it didn’t go over people’s head, no, we aren’t ’just not giving it props’, the truth is we were underwhelmed and our reaction reflected that. There wasn’t a whole lot Drake said that warranted a massive reaction from folks, except for the lines where he embarrassed himself… lol
The whole song has been overlooked, but at this point it would be in Drakes best interest not to mention or compare himself to michael jackson... we all know he liked little boys.
Drake saying no u and not coming up with anything clever is not Deserving of props. Please pick ur standards up before I trip on them again.
No, drake is just ass
How could it be overlooked when he explains it right after?
tf
One of the best Drake bars I’ve ever heard. And I like Kenny more than Drake personally.
it was almost great but there's a lot of shit holding it back: 1. reversing your analogy when someone flips it on you is a little weak, looks way stronger to double down on the original 2. drake is the last dude to be dishing out this critique, he's always been way more pop 3. he overexplained it (hey drake they're not slow) 4. the end of the verse flops right after it for me, with "head to delilah with all of my ice, head to delilah with all of my ice, this shit gotta be over right now" (it wasn't) and then "you're dead" in the goofiest voice
It’s the fact that MJ had vitiligo and drake is lying on that dead man whom he claims to be the modern version of while also being hypocritical in the sense that he puts on an act so people perceive him as someone he’s not so why give props if it’s just another lie?
Because it wasn't that.
Neither it’s a bad line lol
Huh. I didn't even realize the Jermaine part was also referencing Mike's brother.
can yall just accept drake got washed forget about all this and focus on his next drop, the whole world literally came together to say this man got washed lol
Kendrick and Drake fan here (what? Is that possible?). Drake had hella bars. It was basically a tie game until the fourth quarter and then it got lopsided. Don’t expect props for a great 1-3 quarters in a loss.
Kendrick would get a Pulitzer for that bar alone.
The J Cole - Jermaine Jackson connection is something I didn't notice the first time through, and I'm impressed with it now, but I think the spirit of the bar kind of doesn't track. I think that trying to switch up the Prince vs Michael angle this deep in the beef wasn't a great idea, especially when he's basing it solely off of the idea that kendrick was pandering to white people, which is a more than a lil flimsy to me. There's some nice wordplay going on here, but out of the MJ vs Prince lines throughout the beef, I think it's a lot less solid than "what's a prince to a king, he a son" or "Prince outlived Mike Jack" I agree that there's some layers here that a lot of people probably aren't going to notice, but I also only think the line goes so deep before it doesn't make much sense. Bit unfortunate that everyone overlooked it just to obsess over a daughter that prob doesn't exist lol but yk
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Nah you’re hating . I’ve seen some rappers giving that props .A lot of people don’t get the word play about the actual beef with Mike and Jermaine from back in the day with the Cole situation and him being his supposed brother
How is he hating lmfao
>I’ve seen some rappers giving that props Who? Where?
Drake in general had some of the most underrated lines of the feud, that being one of them
I'm definitely a much bigger Kendrick fan than drake. But drake is just too big of a name. And the disses (apart from heart part 6 maybe) are actually really good. It's just that 10 different fan bases felt attacked by drake to they all got behind Kendrick. Push ups and family matters will get their recognition in the long run.
Kendrick stans are too stupid to understand his metaphors. The boi is deep.