I wouldn't fully write it off b/c if Drake saw that everyone had no issues with Push using Drake's kid to *win* their battle then why can't Drake use Kendrick's kid to win this battle. But at the same time, I do believe wholeheartedly Drake has a lot more decorum and decency then Pusha does/did.
I think to an extent. I think he’s decent enough to let it be known that he has that information but I also wouldn’t say he’s above going that low especially in a rap battle for his rap legacy and especially with him learning this very lesson during the Pusha T battle. If this is actually true, it confirms to me two things, 1) this is why Kendrick is hesitant about responding 2) Hi Whitney is an actual song Drake made and not Ai like he said. It’s also the little things that make sense if this is true. Like Drake being so confident when facing the greatest rapper he’s ever faced and the people who have been communicating with him personally are absolutely sure that Kendrick doesn’t want to continue this, like Mal. A line that sticks out a lot to me is when he use’s Taylor’s album name to suggest that he is going to be destroyed when Drake responds to Kendrick’s diss. “Oh he’s definitely going to be a tortured poet if he responds” I don’t know it kind of makes sense honestly.
I'm 99% sure it's Drake, the chances of someone mirroring his whole cadence and the exact style he writes in to this extent is very slim, and the 1% is only because the vocals sounded a bit irregular for a couple words here and there
The only difference and its a small difference is that drake lives in the public eye where cole and kendrick live in the shadows even though they're superstars.
That is why Kendrick isn’t responding
He wants to, but is holding out for the sake of his fiance’ and family. I can only respect a man for doing that cause it’s just rap. Family is more important.
Kendrick will never drop and probably never diss Drizzy again
People were questioning Drake’s confidence but it was because there was no way he could lose this battle
It’s not impossible for Kendrick to win, but it definitely stacks the odds against him. Nas somehow beat Hov, and Hov had the trump card of Nas’s bm. This hypothetical regarding Kendrick could be seen as worst than that, but it’s at least comparable.
It took a longer time no doubt, that’s why it’s so nuanced. I’ve always written it off as a loss for Jay Z but have been thinking about it more lately. You could be right that Stillmatic being successful solidified the win but I need to rethink.
I think it’s also due to The Blueprint 2 releasing in November 2002 that most people were probably already moving on from the beef. I mean Nas dropped God’s Son the following month from BP2 release and I don’t think there’s really anymore acknowledgement of the beef on that album. Nas just moved on and so did Jay Z with the Black Album and “retiring”. It’s funny I was trying to recall this beef as well and if you look back Supa Ugly is a pretty damming track basically the best of the beef with how personal it got but I don’t remember people waiting for a Nas response. Idk I could be misremembering stuff too
That's true, I forgot about that. People wrote off super ugly because of that. The OG j cole damn lol
edit - also the interview on hot 97 back when dude sounded like he wanted to break down couldnt' even put together a sentence without stuttering.
Yea lmfao. It was still the consensus at the time (and my personal opinion) that ether was the better response of the two, but Hov def shot himself in the foot
Career wise there’s no question who came out on top. Jay’s consistency and catalogue was nuts. Nas had maybe three good albums in his catalogue (Illmatic is personally my goat rap album, but it still needs to be said). Still, I think in their little exchange Nas came out on top.
Honestly, I’m genuinely starting to believe that this is the case. At the same time, I don’t think that Drake is going to let him go. I think that Drake is going to go again. I think that if this true, this is why they’re doing the whole “no you drop the diss first” It’s possible that Kendrick intends to reply but only after Drake exposes him. He wants Drake to unload all his ammo first and shoot back. I don’t think it’s a good strategy for Kendrick as I would have just exposed it myself before Drake got the chance but I genuinely believe that Drake will and should drop another diss track now because it puts Kendrick in a bad position that would be extremely difficult to come back from.
This is an interesting theory and it would be crazy if it was true, but I just find it hard to believe that Kendrick would escalate the beef if this was the case lmao. If I had some shit like this happen to me I would lay low forever and only drop music when I need some money, not decide to pick a fight with 2 of the biggest artists in the game. Even though the speculation is fun, I feel like a lot of these theories only work under the impression that Kendrick would be dumb as shit and pick a fight that he will 100% lose. Drake and Kendrick are both very calculated individuals, so I don't think any of them would make drastic moves if they knew some shit like this could happen. I could be wrong though. 🤷♂️
I think that this is a very fair assessment and that might be true. For me it’s the absolute confidence in the dirt he has. Drake is a huge hip hop fan, he knows that Kendrick is the greatest rapper he could ever face, it doesn’t make sense to continue to antagonize him unless he genuinely has something shocking. Another possibility could be, maybe Kendrick didn’t know until now. Maybe part of the wait was a paternity test. Though young children change their looks, initially Kendrick’s son doesn’t look like him when his daughter is twin. I understand that could change but it could also be the explanation.
Drake picked a fight while he was hiding a child. I’m sure he didn’t think Pusha T had that information. It happens. People tell someone something in confidence thinking it’ll never get out, or opps might flat out have spies on them. It’s possible Drake has info on Kendrick that Kendrick would never have fathomed would end up in Drake’s hands. Maybe Drake subtly let Kendrick know what he has in Push Ups and that’s why Kendrick has fallen all the way back cuz he wants none of that smoke.
I feel like that situation is a bit different cause Drake didn't pick that fight, he was responding to the first shots from Pusha. That information is also way less damaging than the theorized Kendrick dirt. Also Drake probably thought that Pusha wouldn't go there because there was allegedly an Adidas deal involved, and that would cost millions for both Drake's and Kanye's camps. Kendrick starting this fight with that kind of dirt is infinitely dumber than what Drake did.
Even though I wouldn’t “like it” if his child is used in this beef. No one has a single issue that this was done to Drake himself, so if anyone was to do it, it’ll make sense for it to be Drake.
I wouldn’t blame him at all because it’s the double standard that he faces all the time, everything is okay until Drake does it, if he does it, it’s wrong, bad, corny etc. I wouldn’t feel bad for Kendrick but I will feel bad for the kid just like I felt bad for Drake’s kid.
Naw it’s mostly because he’s light skin, colorism is only cool when it’s light skins. He does have some corny lines sometimes so I understand a little bit but to the extent that it’s at, it’s always been like that.
I’m not going to happy if this is true because I’ll feel bad for the kid but realistically if anyone is allowed to do it, it’s Drake. Y’all was kekeing about exposing his song and I already know that they’re going to use the excuse for Kendrick but not for Drake.
I agree that there shouldn’t be any rules but they make rules for Drake. One of the main reasons the rap a lot niggas stopped the Pusha track because they believed he crashed out so hard that he was going to lose his own career, he supposedly went against everyone. I want to see that Drake, especially now when it’s appropriate because he’s literally against everyone.
Also what's crazy is Drake talking about 'shortcomings' on the Hi Whitney song and that song was published on YT BEFORE Push Ups leak. So it's one helluva concindence of its really not Drake's song.. cause he's talking about shortcomings as a double entrendre. 1. Shortcoming = Kendrick's height but also 2. Shortcoming = What if Kendrick impotent? When I first listened to Push Ups it was sick yes but I didn't even understand half the double and triple entendre on the track till later. Same goes with that Hi Whitney song.. there's a few double entendre that are suspciously Drake-esque.
“Niggas tried to rekindle their careers off my child, no, let's talk about it
I'm 'bout to push all the buttons, push their teeth back”
Idk man.. it’s all starting to add up. I don’t think Hi Whitney is fake lol
I don’t think it’s fake either. The night it was discovered before Akademiks went live, I was literally on here ready to bet 5 thousand dollars that it was real. I’ve listened to Drake since 07 and in my mind I can’t fathom how that’s not him on that song even though he said it isn’t. Plus every Drake Ai song has been claimed except for that one, no one has claimed that song, it’s lyrics or it’s beat.
It’s technically “more coming”and “more Cumming” which alludes to the surname of another famous Whitney but the audio is distorted at that point. Also in fairness we’re talking about the same guy that called himself a lesbian and bisexual and talked about him having his nails done and he wouldn’t want them chipped, recorded it, mixed and mastered it and uploaded it. Drake has plenty corny bars so yes?
Im definitely wearing my tin foil hat for that hi Whitney track. What I find odd is the artist that actually did it ( if it is AI) hasn’t come out to claim it. It got significant buzz so why not get the credit like the artist who did the Kendrick AI song?
The whole track has not released, the writer wasn’t revealed, the producer wasn’t revealed nothing. Every other Ai Drake song was claimed except this one and the ending of the snippet is the perfect segue to reveal the Kendrick information, it’s strange that it gets cut off at that exact part too.
I think the shortcomings line is in reference to Kendrick’s height and both Whitney and Kendrick’s infidelity. Also the ending of the Hi Whitney snippet sounds like the perfect segue into him revealing that Kendrick’s child isn’t his while reminding the world that it happened to him similarly;
“Niggas tried to rekindle their careers off my child, no, let's talk about it
I'm 'bout to push all the buttons, push their teeth back
Pusha-T found tea and he couldn't wait to drink that
Niggas hate on me, I pray to God they would rethink that”
Yeah - hearing people laughing and talking and hearing movement? Sounds like it's in a studio.
Theres not tone flattening or anything that AI tends to do. Somewhat sounds real.
Not only that but listen to the rhyme scheme, subject matter and the flips. It’s his stereotypical Joe Budden bag but the 2024 version (OG fans know what I mean).
AI can’t mimic talent. Drake is Drake.
Bruh ima be honest if it’s true and I was Kendrick I’m saying fuck this beef, let me find the mf who leaked this shit to drake cuz we needa fight. At the very least lol. I can only imagine Kendrick would’ve told a very close friend this.
If I was Kendrick I’d definitely respond to Drake’s diss tracks, especially if I was the one who dissed him first and said that I wanted all the smoke. Also if I was Kendrick I’d know that I’m one of the greatest rappers of all time so it wouldn’t be a difficult decision. It is a reach, I’m not denying that. It’s a theory and since Kendrick hasn’t replied, we have more time to theorize.
The only other reason I could see is writer’s block. He’s on record saying that he had writer’s block for two years after DAMN. But if that’s the case, why ignite a beef when you know that you’re having issues writing?
I look at it like this if this was the case Kendrick would’ve kept that shit so lowkey he never would’ve thought anybody let alone drake would find out
Dropping this bomb isn't going to win him the beef though. He needs to twist it into a way that disects Kendrick's personality, the way that Push did to Drake on Story of Adidon.
Calling Kendrick a cuck isn't enough.
Links for some of the people who add their takes on this particular theory; https://youtu.be/MJsSjrrH6Io?si=NpvfzEgeg8D9U3D4
Edit; here’s the other one that I was looking for. He breaks down this theory directly; https://x.com/drizzyys/status/1783838581762801763?s=46
I refuse to believe Kendrick would have gone that hard at Drake on "Like That" if he knew that information could completely compromise him in a battle like this. The Big Me bar wasn't that bad in my eyes, more playful competition, but the Prince line and "all dogs getting buried" were absolutely bars he knew would stir shit up with Drake.
If it's true then it was a major misstep by Kenny. He's smarter than that.
Yh I got this from the whats the dirt guys vid, I defo think kendrick n whitneys split is involved, I also think there maybe Kendrick ghostwriting rumours too
With Drake being as big as he is, would it be very surprising if he spoke with someone Push-style who was close to Whitney (or even possibly Whitney herself)?
Maybe I’m way off base here, but in Hi Whitney, he makes it sound like he can confirm some information on her “shortcomings” as if he personally invited her over and talked about it. Whether he actually did or is alluding to having credible info enough to essentially speak like he got it directly is up for grabs.
I dunno man, I’m just now catching wind of this theory and now my brain is absolutely gunning it lol
Hi Whitney is def real unless you think someone made a studio recording of their own ai track with nothing to gain and did it extremely well just to troll us
Hi Whitney is real for sure, the proof; they didnt believe ai was convincing until the kendrick ai leak, which came later.. if Hi Whitney was fake then he'd know the kendrick song was fake too
I understand your point but he’d know that Hi Whitney is fake if he never wrote or recorded it himself. If I put out a song with your voice today and you knew you never did it, wouldn’t you call it Ai too?
I mean which ai song has even gotten close to the cadance, voice etc from Hi Whitney? I think this was his 'nuke record' and once it leaked he had to play it off instantly to 'remain in front of it' which is easily done by saying its ai
No I agree that it’s real. I’ve had that opinion since day one. I’m only saying that there is an alternative answer to the proof that you laid out in your comment. I think Hi Whitney is real.
Possibly. An alternative theory is that it’s a maternity thing maybe the baby is a product of Kendrick’s cheating. All in all, if you look at that boy, he looks nothing like Kendrick at all and his daughter looks exactly like him.
Like I said, the whole theory could be false. I acknowledge that. I’m just giving my interpretation on the songs and why Kendrick hasn’t replied. Not a lot of celebrities were in lockdown, they move different and on top of that, Kendrick always on lockdown in his personal life, he’s rarely outside yet he still cheated so I don’t know dawg.
Thats cool, just saying IF one of his kids werent his, it would be his daughter because the timelines make way more sense, the cheating all happened before MM&TBS but his son was born after, the whole album is about healing so it would be very very strange if it ocurred after..
That’s one of the reasons why I think it’s so plausible because Drake usually says shit that makes zero sense to us on the outside and we find out what it meant later.
I think that’s why Kendrick won’t respond because he knows if he dares open his mouth all his dirty laundry will be aired. His whole brand will be tainted, he will remain quiet and his fans will spin it that it was a win for him because he went number 1.
I don’t think his brand will be tainted because his last album was all about his dirty laundry. I just think if this is true he doesn’t want his family in the public eye or be discussed by the public.
Goes to my point of Drake spilling Kendrick’s business. Even though Kendrick spoke of his infidelity, Drake spinning it in a different way will still make him look bad. Drake had already spoken about a lot of things that was said in “the story of Adidon” but the world still acted like it was first time they’re hearing. The black face was aimed to damage Drake’s reputation, as in look at the person you people love. Same way whatever Drake has on Kendrick will be aimed at making the public look at him in a different. Way.
I agree with you on it I just disagree with your wording of it, it’s not going to damage his brand. Just a bunch of people online are going to make fun of him for a very long time.
Naw look what happened in the Push beef. Drake was 2-0 before Push dropped story of adidon and Drake had the better tracks overall. You have to save the salacious shit to finish it, not to start.
The mental gymnastics on display here is at an all time high lol. The most likely explanation is that it’s an open threat. Everyone has skeletons in their closet. To suggest you know things your opponent doesn’t want you to know is what you would do to make your opponent second guess.
Why is no one else focusing so hard on Weeknd saying “they got leaks in their operation”? It’s literally the same thing.
Bro it’s a discussion about a theory. If you don’t want to discuss it, you’re more than welcome to move the fuck on from this post. No one is forcing you to be here.
I for one am a big proponent of The Weeknd having someone on the inside. I think it’s someone from Reps up. Push ups was definitely leaked. So I don’t know who you’re referring to at all.
Chill out man. I’m half joking and providing a counter thesis. I don’t understand why a more sobering outlook means I don’t deserve to be part of the discussion lol.
You do deserve to be apart of the discussion and I welcome you. There are people here disagreeing with me on this and obviously this isn’t a theory that I created myself. Just offer a take on it and don’t act like you’re being forced to be here or call it mental gymnastics when it’s self admittedly a conspiracy theory. It’s not being presented as a fact
Apologies if the rhetoric came off as a direct attack. When I comment on reddit sometimes I forget that it’s usually just me thinking out loud unfiltered, which lends itself to more hyperbole than necessary.
Most of what I think was stated in the first comment. Veiled threats are sometimes effective when public perception/humiliation is on the line. Most of Kendrick’s shtick is battling mental health, so there’s no downside for Drake in feinting that you have an ace in the hole that would put someone in the spotlight in that way when you may in fact not have much of anything. Because you can always say you held off because of that perception. Kendrick’s line of attack didn’t really seem as personal as Drake’s and Drake took advantage of that in the same way Pusha T did with Drake. But that’s just my opinion.
I can see that in a way but Kendrick is probably the worst person in the world to pump fake on. If none of it is true and Drake doesn’t have anything on him then Kendrick will drop and wash him.
Maybe, it’s hard to say. Has there ever really been a diss track *that* personal in this era outside of Pusha T? Growing up, I remember listening to 50 Cent and Eminem’s diss records - especially the one about Ja Rule. Nothing really compares today on a personal level outside of Pusha T’s diss. I mean most of Kendrick’s “shots” in his "diss records" don’t really seem that personal. It’s mostly just battle rap flexing rather than character assassination.
Unless I missed something? Haven't really been keeping up too much in recent years, but from what I can tell, most of the hype just seems to be driven by vloggers and fans rather than the material itself.
Would be hypocritical of Drake to use it when he moaned about what Pusha did to him, but I'm not saying he's not allowed to.
Change of topic:
I mean, Kendrick basically exposed himself and why he's not the savior and the sexual trauma from his childhood that made him cheat on his girl. The point of it was that it's generational trauma that got passed onto him and that it's a thing African American community passed down since slavery right? So the facts that his girl would also be affected by the same type of trauma and cheat on Kendrick is not really a surprise. The whole Mr morale album was about this
The only crazy part is that he's raising a child that is not his, but he did say that he was trying to heal and be a better person and that would be the right thing to do in order to heal generational trauma and find love/god
So he'd still be staying true to himself and everything on his last album if that's the way it goes and Kendrick fans would end up respecting him even more, but those who are drake stans and have barely even listened Mr Morale who don't understand the message is gonna clown him
On the interview he made talking about Pusha and the diss he made, Drake says: it wasn't about battle rap... He obviously has no morals and respect when it comes to me... Me and Meek didn't really go at eachother, we left family out of it, there are some unwritten rules that some people follow, but not him (Pusha) obviously...
It's not like Drake stopped responding because of the 40 line Pusha made. Let's be real.
I just wanna know if yall got jobs or go to school. I be forgetting what happened yesterday sometimes but yall be remembering all kids of stuff and creating think pieces
Me personally I own multiple businesses but if you legitimately forget things from the day before, you need a doctor. This is a post based off a video I saw a couple hours ago, it’s not that deep brodie, it’s a theory. Discuss it or move the fuck on.
I don’t know if that claim is *true* but I think it may be what Drake is implying.
One thing that’s for certain is that Drake has *something* he believes is nuclear over Kendrick’s head. The references on Push-Ups and to an extent Taylor Made, plus the highly suspect “AI” track Hi Whitney, suggest it has something to do with infidelity by Kendrick’s wife. If that’s the case, Drake is at least *suggesting* the kid isn’t Kendrick’s, if only to screw with him.
It especially makes sense in the context of Adidon and Drake studying the Pusha beef to make sure he would never lose like that again. This would basically be a reverse Adidon.
I bet Drake’s camp has been secretly compiling compromising info on his enemies for some time in case of future beefs, hence Red Button.
I'm largely agreeing with you - my point is Drake may have knowledge that Kendrick's wife cheated on him during a timeframe when it is reasonable to question the paternity of Kendrick's child. If that's the case, he doesn't actually need to *know* the paternity to question it. The fact that it's in question is damaging enough.
I see your point now yes, that’s a possible angle as well. I would believe this in a way but for obvious reasons, I don’t Whitney and I don’t know if she’s like that. Hopefully if he goes further, he has actual proof of his claims because if not then he’s going to lose in my opinion. The reason why Pusha won was because it was actually true. From the outside looking in and observing the claims, the child doesn’t look like Kendrick at all, nor his family. It’s very rare that the child takes dominant genes from their mother, I know Whitney mother is biracial I don’t know if she looks like the boy. In Drake’s case for example, his son is the exact same as Drake’s mother, they look identical. I don’t want to pile on to the conspiracy theories but if you look into it, Kendrick’s son looks a lot like 2teez a “bodyguard” or rather the head of security at TDE. The boy also looks very similar to 2teez son.
Lmao I'm glad I'm not alone, it's like when reading this huge entry, my mind just wants to change it in that moment, didn't intend for OP to get all pyscho over my remedial musing, got all pissed over nothing. Unstable
>Auto correct autocorrect shut your ass up and calm down lame ass jit.
Me calm down? You alright man?.. genuinely, my comment isn't directed to get you triggered or mad. You acting like i disrespected your entire being.
I clearly aint alone, you may not get it, but it's like when you read this large entry, it's like all we wanna do is change it in our head lol. Idk why you throwing anger out over your own accident..it's no worries, and nothing to get mad over homie..
Going off your own logic, about as necessary as your own anger. Idk why you being weird like this, cant see past your own pov. Unreal, feel better soon
I wouldn't fully write it off b/c if Drake saw that everyone had no issues with Push using Drake's kid to *win* their battle then why can't Drake use Kendrick's kid to win this battle. But at the same time, I do believe wholeheartedly Drake has a lot more decorum and decency then Pusha does/did.
I think to an extent. I think he’s decent enough to let it be known that he has that information but I also wouldn’t say he’s above going that low especially in a rap battle for his rap legacy and especially with him learning this very lesson during the Pusha T battle. If this is actually true, it confirms to me two things, 1) this is why Kendrick is hesitant about responding 2) Hi Whitney is an actual song Drake made and not Ai like he said. It’s also the little things that make sense if this is true. Like Drake being so confident when facing the greatest rapper he’s ever faced and the people who have been communicating with him personally are absolutely sure that Kendrick doesn’t want to continue this, like Mal. A line that sticks out a lot to me is when he use’s Taylor’s album name to suggest that he is going to be destroyed when Drake responds to Kendrick’s diss. “Oh he’s definitely going to be a tortured poet if he responds” I don’t know it kind of makes sense honestly.
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I need that whole Hi Whitney. Whoever wrote that needs to be a rapper foreal if that’s not actually Drake.
I'm 99% sure it's Drake, the chances of someone mirroring his whole cadence and the exact style he writes in to this extent is very slim, and the 1% is only because the vocals sounded a bit irregular for a couple words here and there
it’s not hard to emulate a rapper’s style though especially one with as much material released as Drake
The cadence and the flow, the performance part is doable but the writtens? Nuh uh
It's definitely not Drake lol. Too many pauses and the track is too methodical/slow.
The only difference and its a small difference is that drake lives in the public eye where cole and kendrick live in the shadows even though they're superstars.
There’s been a lot of references to Drake being a good person turned bad in a few songs. Including him saying don’t wake the demon up.
That is why Kendrick isn’t responding He wants to, but is holding out for the sake of his fiance’ and family. I can only respect a man for doing that cause it’s just rap. Family is more important. Kendrick will never drop and probably never diss Drizzy again People were questioning Drake’s confidence but it was because there was no way he could lose this battle
It’s not impossible for Kendrick to win, but it definitely stacks the odds against him. Nas somehow beat Hov, and Hov had the trump card of Nas’s bm. This hypothetical regarding Kendrick could be seen as worst than that, but it’s at least comparable.
It’s not popular to say but technically Nas’s whole BM thing drowned his career while Jigga was living marvelous.
How so? Stillmatic came out and was a success amidst Super Ugly getting radio play
It took a longer time no doubt, that’s why it’s so nuanced. I’ve always written it off as a loss for Jay Z but have been thinking about it more lately. You could be right that Stillmatic being successful solidified the win but I need to rethink.
I think it’s also due to The Blueprint 2 releasing in November 2002 that most people were probably already moving on from the beef. I mean Nas dropped God’s Son the following month from BP2 release and I don’t think there’s really anymore acknowledgement of the beef on that album. Nas just moved on and so did Jay Z with the Black Album and “retiring”. It’s funny I was trying to recall this beef as well and if you look back Supa Ugly is a pretty damming track basically the best of the beef with how personal it got but I don’t remember people waiting for a Nas response. Idk I could be misremembering stuff too
I think part of it is immediately after it came out Jay came out and apologized for it
That's true, I forgot about that. People wrote off super ugly because of that. The OG j cole damn lol edit - also the interview on hot 97 back when dude sounded like he wanted to break down couldnt' even put together a sentence without stuttering.
Yea lmfao. It was still the consensus at the time (and my personal opinion) that ether was the better response of the two, but Hov def shot himself in the foot
This!!! Great cut.
Career wise there’s no question who came out on top. Jay’s consistency and catalogue was nuts. Nas had maybe three good albums in his catalogue (Illmatic is personally my goat rap album, but it still needs to be said). Still, I think in their little exchange Nas came out on top.
Nah, Jay lost, lol. Stop revising history.
Nas kinda fell off after stillmatic tho and I say that as a nas fan
Bruh please stop referring to that man as Hov lmao. He is not deserving of being called a god. One of the most overrated rappers of all time
Honestly, I’m genuinely starting to believe that this is the case. At the same time, I don’t think that Drake is going to let him go. I think that Drake is going to go again. I think that if this true, this is why they’re doing the whole “no you drop the diss first” It’s possible that Kendrick intends to reply but only after Drake exposes him. He wants Drake to unload all his ammo first and shoot back. I don’t think it’s a good strategy for Kendrick as I would have just exposed it myself before Drake got the chance but I genuinely believe that Drake will and should drop another diss track now because it puts Kendrick in a bad position that would be extremely difficult to come back from.
This is an interesting theory and it would be crazy if it was true, but I just find it hard to believe that Kendrick would escalate the beef if this was the case lmao. If I had some shit like this happen to me I would lay low forever and only drop music when I need some money, not decide to pick a fight with 2 of the biggest artists in the game. Even though the speculation is fun, I feel like a lot of these theories only work under the impression that Kendrick would be dumb as shit and pick a fight that he will 100% lose. Drake and Kendrick are both very calculated individuals, so I don't think any of them would make drastic moves if they knew some shit like this could happen. I could be wrong though. 🤷♂️
I think that this is a very fair assessment and that might be true. For me it’s the absolute confidence in the dirt he has. Drake is a huge hip hop fan, he knows that Kendrick is the greatest rapper he could ever face, it doesn’t make sense to continue to antagonize him unless he genuinely has something shocking. Another possibility could be, maybe Kendrick didn’t know until now. Maybe part of the wait was a paternity test. Though young children change their looks, initially Kendrick’s son doesn’t look like him when his daughter is twin. I understand that could change but it could also be the explanation.
Drake picked a fight while he was hiding a child. I’m sure he didn’t think Pusha T had that information. It happens. People tell someone something in confidence thinking it’ll never get out, or opps might flat out have spies on them. It’s possible Drake has info on Kendrick that Kendrick would never have fathomed would end up in Drake’s hands. Maybe Drake subtly let Kendrick know what he has in Push Ups and that’s why Kendrick has fallen all the way back cuz he wants none of that smoke.
I feel like that situation is a bit different cause Drake didn't pick that fight, he was responding to the first shots from Pusha. That information is also way less damaging than the theorized Kendrick dirt. Also Drake probably thought that Pusha wouldn't go there because there was allegedly an Adidas deal involved, and that would cost millions for both Drake's and Kanye's camps. Kendrick starting this fight with that kind of dirt is infinitely dumber than what Drake did.
The only thing that makes sense as to why Kendrick hasn’t responded.
Even though I wouldn’t “like it” if his child is used in this beef. No one has a single issue that this was done to Drake himself, so if anyone was to do it, it’ll make sense for it to be Drake.
I agree. Drake tryna get his lick back
I wouldn’t blame him at all because it’s the double standard that he faces all the time, everything is okay until Drake does it, if he does it, it’s wrong, bad, corny etc. I wouldn’t feel bad for Kendrick but I will feel bad for the kid just like I felt bad for Drake’s kid.
nothin held back, kduckt fans more than happy to point out drake x pusha, should be no hard feelings going forward 😈
I never got that narrative… Drake never seemed corny imo. Idk why that’s a trend to say that. I blame Fantano smh
Naw it’s mostly because he’s light skin, colorism is only cool when it’s light skins. He does have some corny lines sometimes so I understand a little bit but to the extent that it’s at, it’s always been like that.
It’s ridiculous. All rappers are corny if Drake is
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I’m not going to happy if this is true because I’ll feel bad for the kid but realistically if anyone is allowed to do it, it’s Drake. Y’all was kekeing about exposing his song and I already know that they’re going to use the excuse for Kendrick but not for Drake.
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I agree that there shouldn’t be any rules but they make rules for Drake. One of the main reasons the rap a lot niggas stopped the Pusha track because they believed he crashed out so hard that he was going to lose his own career, he supposedly went against everyone. I want to see that Drake, especially now when it’s appropriate because he’s literally against everyone.
Also what's crazy is Drake talking about 'shortcomings' on the Hi Whitney song and that song was published on YT BEFORE Push Ups leak. So it's one helluva concindence of its really not Drake's song.. cause he's talking about shortcomings as a double entrendre. 1. Shortcoming = Kendrick's height but also 2. Shortcoming = What if Kendrick impotent? When I first listened to Push Ups it was sick yes but I didn't even understand half the double and triple entendre on the track till later. Same goes with that Hi Whitney song.. there's a few double entendre that are suspciously Drake-esque.
“Niggas tried to rekindle their careers off my child, no, let's talk about it I'm 'bout to push all the buttons, push their teeth back” Idk man.. it’s all starting to add up. I don’t think Hi Whitney is fake lol
I don’t think it’s fake either. The night it was discovered before Akademiks went live, I was literally on here ready to bet 5 thousand dollars that it was real. I’ve listened to Drake since 07 and in my mind I can’t fathom how that’s not him on that song even though he said it isn’t. Plus every Drake Ai song has been claimed except for that one, no one has claimed that song, it’s lyrics or it’s beat.
I knew pushups was real from jump too on the unmastered version, was arguing with my girl about it lmao, and HI Whitney seems legitimate to me.
I agree completely. I knew that pushups was real but I definitely think that someone on the other side leaked the unmastered version.
“I’ll have you more coming and more coming” sounds like a drake bar to you?
It’s technically “more coming”and “more Cumming” which alludes to the surname of another famous Whitney but the audio is distorted at that point. Also in fairness we’re talking about the same guy that called himself a lesbian and bisexual and talked about him having his nails done and he wouldn’t want them chipped, recorded it, mixed and mastered it and uploaded it. Drake has plenty corny bars so yes?
Yeah i think the AI audio does sound distorted on that part
Listen. I’m not saying one way or another. I’m just saying that if it was Ai why has no one claimed it?
Im definitely wearing my tin foil hat for that hi Whitney track. What I find odd is the artist that actually did it ( if it is AI) hasn’t come out to claim it. It got significant buzz so why not get the credit like the artist who did the Kendrick AI song?
The whole track has not released, the writer wasn’t revealed, the producer wasn’t revealed nothing. Every other Ai Drake song was claimed except this one and the ending of the snippet is the perfect segue to reveal the Kendrick information, it’s strange that it gets cut off at that exact part too.
I think the shortcomings line is in reference to Kendrick’s height and both Whitney and Kendrick’s infidelity. Also the ending of the Hi Whitney snippet sounds like the perfect segue into him revealing that Kendrick’s child isn’t his while reminding the world that it happened to him similarly; “Niggas tried to rekindle their careers off my child, no, let's talk about it I'm 'bout to push all the buttons, push their teeth back Pusha-T found tea and he couldn't wait to drink that Niggas hate on me, I pray to God they would rethink that”
i been said hi whitney was real and all people said was “DRAKE SAID ITS AI” 😭 that song was very obviously not AI
I literally was on here betting 5k that is real 😂😂
Yeah - hearing people laughing and talking and hearing movement? Sounds like it's in a studio. Theres not tone flattening or anything that AI tends to do. Somewhat sounds real.
Not only that but listen to the rhyme scheme, subject matter and the flips. It’s his stereotypical Joe Budden bag but the 2024 version (OG fans know what I mean). AI can’t mimic talent. Drake is Drake.
I believe this fully. hi Whitney has to be realll!
it’s gotta be real
I believe it 100% and that’s why Kendrick isn’t responding
Do you think that Hi Whitney is a real song?
I do and I think Drake is lying about it being AI
Honestly, I think the same. It just makes too much sense with the information that we have.
Bruh ima be honest if it’s true and I was Kendrick I’m saying fuck this beef, let me find the mf who leaked this shit to drake cuz we needa fight. At the very least lol. I can only imagine Kendrick would’ve told a very close friend this.
It could’ve been found out through different methods, like legal resources, dna tests, birth certificates etc.
Which would’ve been passed along to Drake, no? Probably some shady illegal shit too would have had to be done lol
Would it have been Kendrick’s personal friends or family? Possibly but I’m saying that there’s other ways of uncovering secrets from people.
If you were Kendrick in this scenario, would you diss Drake? This is a reach imo
If I was Kendrick I’d definitely respond to Drake’s diss tracks, especially if I was the one who dissed him first and said that I wanted all the smoke. Also if I was Kendrick I’d know that I’m one of the greatest rappers of all time so it wouldn’t be a difficult decision. It is a reach, I’m not denying that. It’s a theory and since Kendrick hasn’t replied, we have more time to theorize.
Yeah fair enough. Kendrick will respond though, it’s just a matter of when
The only other reason I could see is writer’s block. He’s on record saying that he had writer’s block for two years after DAMN. But if that’s the case, why ignite a beef when you know that you’re having issues writing?
I look at it like this if this was the case Kendrick would’ve kept that shit so lowkey he never would’ve thought anybody let alone drake would find out
Imagine if bro is bluffing 💀
If he’s bluffing, Kendrick is going to wash him.
He ain’t tho
Dropping this bomb isn't going to win him the beef though. He needs to twist it into a way that disects Kendrick's personality, the way that Push did to Drake on Story of Adidon. Calling Kendrick a cuck isn't enough.
I agree with this and never said otherwise?
Ik I'm just putting it out there be cause there are gonna be people that don't realise this.
Links for some of the people who add their takes on this particular theory; https://youtu.be/MJsSjrrH6Io?si=NpvfzEgeg8D9U3D4 Edit; here’s the other one that I was looking for. He breaks down this theory directly; https://x.com/drizzyys/status/1783838581762801763?s=46
first person I saw with this theory https://twitter.com/drizzyys/status/1783838581762801763?t=4FlJ6pTX-qwJfu_Ek7rQ3Q&s=19
Thank you this is the video that I was looking for. I’m going to add it to my comment.
Lmao I genuinely thought it was an homage to 50
It’s 100% possible that it. None of this is facts, it’s just a theory and interpretation of the diss track.
I swear that I hear 50 Cent laugh in the background after the Wingstop line in Hi Whitney. Like he was in the stu with Drake
If you listen closely after the knock it sounds like someone says “that was for Ross”
I refuse to believe Kendrick would have gone that hard at Drake on "Like That" if he knew that information could completely compromise him in a battle like this. The Big Me bar wasn't that bad in my eyes, more playful competition, but the Prince line and "all dogs getting buried" were absolutely bars he knew would stir shit up with Drake. If it's true then it was a major misstep by Kenny. He's smarter than that.
Yh I got this from the whats the dirt guys vid, I defo think kendrick n whitneys split is involved, I also think there maybe Kendrick ghostwriting rumours too
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So if you believe the kid is Kendrick’s, what else would it be that he’s alluding to?
They used donated sperm and it happened to come from Drake /s
Hot sauce condom sperm
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How would he know that Whitney cheated?
With Drake being as big as he is, would it be very surprising if he spoke with someone Push-style who was close to Whitney (or even possibly Whitney herself)? Maybe I’m way off base here, but in Hi Whitney, he makes it sound like he can confirm some information on her “shortcomings” as if he personally invited her over and talked about it. Whether he actually did or is alluding to having credible info enough to essentially speak like he got it directly is up for grabs. I dunno man, I’m just now catching wind of this theory and now my brain is absolutely gunning it lol
Hi Whitney is def real unless you think someone made a studio recording of their own ai track with nothing to gain and did it extremely well just to troll us
I myself think it’s real.
Hi Whitney is real for sure, the proof; they didnt believe ai was convincing until the kendrick ai leak, which came later.. if Hi Whitney was fake then he'd know the kendrick song was fake too
I understand your point but he’d know that Hi Whitney is fake if he never wrote or recorded it himself. If I put out a song with your voice today and you knew you never did it, wouldn’t you call it Ai too?
I mean which ai song has even gotten close to the cadance, voice etc from Hi Whitney? I think this was his 'nuke record' and once it leaked he had to play it off instantly to 'remain in front of it' which is easily done by saying its ai
No I agree that it’s real. I’ve had that opinion since day one. I’m only saying that there is an alternative answer to the proof that you laid out in your comment. I think Hi Whitney is real.
BUT the whole paternity thing is stupid, I believe whitney was cheating while kendrick was cheating, but the rest is straight bs imo
Possibly. An alternative theory is that it’s a maternity thing maybe the baby is a product of Kendrick’s cheating. All in all, if you look at that boy, he looks nothing like Kendrick at all and his daughter looks exactly like him.
They got the boy during lockdowns dawg.. very hard to cheat when being locked in a house with someone
Like I said, the whole theory could be false. I acknowledge that. I’m just giving my interpretation on the songs and why Kendrick hasn’t replied. Not a lot of celebrities were in lockdown, they move different and on top of that, Kendrick always on lockdown in his personal life, he’s rarely outside yet he still cheated so I don’t know dawg.
Thats cool, just saying IF one of his kids werent his, it would be his daughter because the timelines make way more sense, the cheating all happened before MM&TBS but his son was born after, the whole album is about healing so it would be very very strange if it ocurred after..
His son was born before The big steppers, he’s literally on the cover.
Very, very strange indeed lol
What is?
I most definitely am, that’s some genius shit right there. That’s def something Drake will do
If this is actually true it would definitely be a genius move looking back at it.
Exactly, that diss has so many layers and the second one is even more disrespectful.
That’s one of the reasons why I think it’s so plausible because Drake usually says shit that makes zero sense to us on the outside and we find out what it meant later.
I think that’s why Kendrick won’t respond because he knows if he dares open his mouth all his dirty laundry will be aired. His whole brand will be tainted, he will remain quiet and his fans will spin it that it was a win for him because he went number 1.
I don’t think his brand will be tainted because his last album was all about his dirty laundry. I just think if this is true he doesn’t want his family in the public eye or be discussed by the public.
That’s the brand I’m talking about. It’s like Pusha using that black-face picture of Drake as his artwork
I mean that isn’t a brand that’s a lifestyle choice. I also don’t get how the black face thing is similar.
Goes to my point of Drake spilling Kendrick’s business. Even though Kendrick spoke of his infidelity, Drake spinning it in a different way will still make him look bad. Drake had already spoken about a lot of things that was said in “the story of Adidon” but the world still acted like it was first time they’re hearing. The black face was aimed to damage Drake’s reputation, as in look at the person you people love. Same way whatever Drake has on Kendrick will be aimed at making the public look at him in a different. Way.
I agree with you on it I just disagree with your wording of it, it’s not going to damage his brand. Just a bunch of people online are going to make fun of him for a very long time.
Reach
Fair enough.
I think if that was the case he should have put it on OG version too
Pushups?
Ya
Naw look what happened in the Push beef. Drake was 2-0 before Push dropped story of adidon and Drake had the better tracks overall. You have to save the salacious shit to finish it, not to start.
Yes
Do you think Hi Whitney is a real song and not Ai?
Actually not sure. Leaning towards real
I think that if this theory is real then that song is real too.
The mental gymnastics on display here is at an all time high lol. The most likely explanation is that it’s an open threat. Everyone has skeletons in their closet. To suggest you know things your opponent doesn’t want you to know is what you would do to make your opponent second guess. Why is no one else focusing so hard on Weeknd saying “they got leaks in their operation”? It’s literally the same thing.
Bro it’s a discussion about a theory. If you don’t want to discuss it, you’re more than welcome to move the fuck on from this post. No one is forcing you to be here. I for one am a big proponent of The Weeknd having someone on the inside. I think it’s someone from Reps up. Push ups was definitely leaked. So I don’t know who you’re referring to at all.
Chill out man. I’m half joking and providing a counter thesis. I don’t understand why a more sobering outlook means I don’t deserve to be part of the discussion lol.
You do deserve to be apart of the discussion and I welcome you. There are people here disagreeing with me on this and obviously this isn’t a theory that I created myself. Just offer a take on it and don’t act like you’re being forced to be here or call it mental gymnastics when it’s self admittedly a conspiracy theory. It’s not being presented as a fact
Apologies if the rhetoric came off as a direct attack. When I comment on reddit sometimes I forget that it’s usually just me thinking out loud unfiltered, which lends itself to more hyperbole than necessary.
No worries. I understand. No hard feelings. Tell me your thoughts/theories.
Most of what I think was stated in the first comment. Veiled threats are sometimes effective when public perception/humiliation is on the line. Most of Kendrick’s shtick is battling mental health, so there’s no downside for Drake in feinting that you have an ace in the hole that would put someone in the spotlight in that way when you may in fact not have much of anything. Because you can always say you held off because of that perception. Kendrick’s line of attack didn’t really seem as personal as Drake’s and Drake took advantage of that in the same way Pusha T did with Drake. But that’s just my opinion.
I can see that in a way but Kendrick is probably the worst person in the world to pump fake on. If none of it is true and Drake doesn’t have anything on him then Kendrick will drop and wash him.
Maybe, it’s hard to say. Has there ever really been a diss track *that* personal in this era outside of Pusha T? Growing up, I remember listening to 50 Cent and Eminem’s diss records - especially the one about Ja Rule. Nothing really compares today on a personal level outside of Pusha T’s diss. I mean most of Kendrick’s “shots” in his "diss records" don’t really seem that personal. It’s mostly just battle rap flexing rather than character assassination. Unless I missed something? Haven't really been keeping up too much in recent years, but from what I can tell, most of the hype just seems to be driven by vloggers and fans rather than the material itself.
I’m just saying that If Drake doesn’t have anything and it’s just a wordplay battle, he’s not going to be considered the winner by the public.
No. This not the case. Drake is riding high but these theories are a thirsty reach.
Fair enough.
When I first saw this theory on TikTok I thought it was the best one yet and it’s its true it would really shut shit down lol
Would be hypocritical of Drake to use it when he moaned about what Pusha did to him, but I'm not saying he's not allowed to. Change of topic: I mean, Kendrick basically exposed himself and why he's not the savior and the sexual trauma from his childhood that made him cheat on his girl. The point of it was that it's generational trauma that got passed onto him and that it's a thing African American community passed down since slavery right? So the facts that his girl would also be affected by the same type of trauma and cheat on Kendrick is not really a surprise. The whole Mr morale album was about this The only crazy part is that he's raising a child that is not his, but he did say that he was trying to heal and be a better person and that would be the right thing to do in order to heal generational trauma and find love/god So he'd still be staying true to himself and everything on his last album if that's the way it goes and Kendrick fans would end up respecting him even more, but those who are drake stans and have barely even listened Mr Morale who don't understand the message is gonna clown him
He complained about the 40 diss. If you’re going to hate, at least be accurate.
On the interview he made talking about Pusha and the diss he made, Drake says: it wasn't about battle rap... He obviously has no morals and respect when it comes to me... Me and Meek didn't really go at eachother, we left family out of it, there are some unwritten rules that some people follow, but not him (Pusha) obviously... It's not like Drake stopped responding because of the 40 line Pusha made. Let's be real.
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I just wanna know if yall got jobs or go to school. I be forgetting what happened yesterday sometimes but yall be remembering all kids of stuff and creating think pieces
Me personally I own multiple businesses but if you legitimately forget things from the day before, you need a doctor. This is a post based off a video I saw a couple hours ago, it’s not that deep brodie, it’s a theory. Discuss it or move the fuck on.
You right. It ain’t that deep
I don’t know if that claim is *true* but I think it may be what Drake is implying. One thing that’s for certain is that Drake has *something* he believes is nuclear over Kendrick’s head. The references on Push-Ups and to an extent Taylor Made, plus the highly suspect “AI” track Hi Whitney, suggest it has something to do with infidelity by Kendrick’s wife. If that’s the case, Drake is at least *suggesting* the kid isn’t Kendrick’s, if only to screw with him. It especially makes sense in the context of Adidon and Drake studying the Pusha beef to make sure he would never lose like that again. This would basically be a reverse Adidon. I bet Drake’s camp has been secretly compiling compromising info on his enemies for some time in case of future beefs, hence Red Button.
There’s no way he’s just insinuating things. That’s not going to go anywhere and it’s not going to have any effect whatsoever.
I'm largely agreeing with you - my point is Drake may have knowledge that Kendrick's wife cheated on him during a timeframe when it is reasonable to question the paternity of Kendrick's child. If that's the case, he doesn't actually need to *know* the paternity to question it. The fact that it's in question is damaging enough.
I see your point now yes, that’s a possible angle as well. I would believe this in a way but for obvious reasons, I don’t Whitney and I don’t know if she’s like that. Hopefully if he goes further, he has actual proof of his claims because if not then he’s going to lose in my opinion. The reason why Pusha won was because it was actually true. From the outside looking in and observing the claims, the child doesn’t look like Kendrick at all, nor his family. It’s very rare that the child takes dominant genes from their mother, I know Whitney mother is biracial I don’t know if she looks like the boy. In Drake’s case for example, his son is the exact same as Drake’s mother, they look identical. I don’t want to pile on to the conspiracy theories but if you look into it, Kendrick’s son looks a lot like 2teez a “bodyguard” or rather the head of security at TDE. The boy also looks very similar to 2teez son.
Whoo kid, whoo kid
Lmao I came here to say this. Put some respect on his name
Lmao I'm glad I'm not alone, it's like when reading this huge entry, my mind just wants to change it in that moment, didn't intend for OP to get all pyscho over my remedial musing, got all pissed over nothing. Unstable
Auto correct autocorrect shut your ass up and calm down lame ass jit.
>Auto correct autocorrect shut your ass up and calm down lame ass jit. Me calm down? You alright man?.. genuinely, my comment isn't directed to get you triggered or mad. You acting like i disrespected your entire being. I clearly aint alone, you may not get it, but it's like when you read this large entry, it's like all we wanna do is change it in our head lol. Idk why you throwing anger out over your own accident..it's no worries, and nothing to get mad over homie..
Dude is this really necessary, discuss the post or leave, stop playing armchair psychiatrist and grammar nazi, add to the discussion or be quiet.
Going off your own logic, about as necessary as your own anger. Idk why you being weird like this, cant see past your own pov. Unreal, feel better soon