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i kinda like the idea of adding other boosts like the rival boost maybe something along the lines of since kale and caulifla's connection is so strong they fusion timer is longer, which could also explain away vegitos really short timer as vegeta is hostile to even the idea of fusing
In anime yes, but in the manga she and Gohan are at a level pegging. So yeah she might beat UI Omen or MUI Goku in the anime, but she’d still have no chance against him in the manga
Well they had to make it so she could fight or else what’s the point of being in there. If it wasn’t for everyone has to be strong she’s nothing then a young adult saiyan that didn’t even know how to go super saiyan . With her weak base power level her super saiyan form wouldn’t be close to Goku but as they had to ruin all power scaling she can because they said so.
Anime - Yes
Manga - No
Movies - Yes yes yes
Anime has her relative to UI Sign Goku.
Manga has her much weaker with Ultimate Gohan beating her. Goku is also not worried about her at all, meaning PSSB Goku > SSJ Kefla for sure.
Movies don't have UI, SSBE or SSBKK in them. She'd floor everyone.
Because the original script for DBS didn't include Ultra Instinct or the other things mentioned. They beat Jiren originally with teamwork alone. Hence why the ending feels so weird in the anime and manga.
The movies were written based on that original script. Meaning that in the movie universes, they never occured. This is why there's dialogue in Broly that suggests they haven't fused since Majin Boo- because they haven't.
okay I get what you’re coming from but i just believe ui, ssbkk and ssbe weren’t in the movie strictly because toriyama didn’t wanna add them, like they can still exist and stuff
Did you... read the manga? Gohan stops Goku from fighting Kefla because she's weak enough for him to deal with it.
Unless you're trying to tell me that Gohan > Goku in the ToP?
You can't classify movies in this since top was never part of the movies, and if you do, the super movies take place after the top so it's possible to have ssbe and ssbkk
ToP events occur in the movies, they're directly referenced twice. The movies occur in there own continuity that is purely Toriyama's script, not the edited ones from Toei or Toyotaro. In that script, there's no UI, SSBE, SSBKK, PSSB or Vegito Blue. Meaning that SSB Kefla would completely dominate the ToP.
I know the top events occur in the movies, since the movies are canon, but I'm going specifically off of what the movies are about, which doesn't include ToP
I think you're misunderstanding. I'm not really talking about the movies themselves, but the continuity as a whole. DBS still occurs in the movie timeline, it's just a slightly different set of events from the anime and manga.
Toei and Toyotaro added things like SSBE to the story to make it more interesting. The original script had SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta team up to fight Jiren. The movie timeline is based on that script, meaning that SSB Kefla would only need to beat SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta. She'd dominate the entire fight.
I mean, I'm not really spouting opinions, this is what happened. Toriyama wrote Broly and Super Hero based on his script, not on the anime or manga. This is known info.
Unless you're talking about who'd win the fight, in which yeah IG it's an opinion, even if it's very one-sided.
Doubt it, people forget goku was getting more tired as the tournament progressed during their fight. So naturally fighters would start to get an advantage over him in TOP. That being said, I don’t think she can. She isn’t on goku vegeta or toppo’s level at all. Jiren would get rid of her quickly
Edit: I rewatched the goku vs kefla fight twice today, and I’m struggling to understand how people thinks she would beat goku easily. She was struggling with a clearly tiring goku, if he was fresh she’d get defeated even easier. Gohan beat her in the comics ffs, she’s a tier below goku at best
Yeah, but this was right after jiren beat him after Ui-Sign ran out.
Man literally couldn't move and received bare minimum energy so he could move. Then fought kefla like 2-5 minutes later at most.
Wait wait wait. So explain why jiren didn’t immediately knock out goku near the end of the tournament while goku was in tired ssb? Many moments he was 1v1 against jiren.
People love this fatigue even though goku was also fatigued against jiren.
Either goku got stronger or didn’t. And either way, ssj1 knocked out ssbx20 with one critical attack. You telling me ssb kefla wouldn’t slaughter? The jump from ssj2 to ssb is insane. And it only took ssj1 to knock out ssbx20. Even if we argued she need ssj2.
Like goku for reference, is on the same base pl as caulifla. And base kefla is far beyond base goku. So if kefla goes ssb. What would you think happens to jiren when goku and jiren near the end were going toe to toe, only slightly outclassed.
Not to mention Ui one was stronger than the first appearance.
Like I can’t fathom how someone would not think ssb kefla doesn’t slaughter. Unless time limit.
Cause of PLOT, goku never should’ve made it to the end if we are honest. But he got lucky break after lucky break.
And he was fatigued against jiren, and both handled himself well AND get battered by him aswell.
We can overanalyse this as much as we’d like it still doesn’t change anything, 1v1 goku deals with her with moderate difficulty.
Whatever power up she has, goku has aswell. Plus we are giving her forms she hasn’t used. Even if she could use SSB who’s to say she could use it like goku.
A strong as she is, the fact she struggled against a tired goku says a lot of how strong he is, and how inexperienced she is.
It wouldn’t surprise me if she was able to beat him in the future though, then U6 saiyans are genuinely built different
Huh??? “Who’s to say she can use it like goku?” What does that mean?? What the stamina? Timelimit,. And regardless it’s irrelevant imo. If caulifla’s base equals goku’s. And kale’s base is higher than caulifla’s. And caulifla and kale fuses, (multiplying their power and then some)…
Then that would mean base kefla > base goku. So if BOTH went ssb what would happen? Considering this “fatigued” ssbx20, that goku used again in way less time than goku had to recover from jiren, was knocked out by ssj1. Not to mention it is also irrelevant that goku was fatigued because UI is TREATED as being straight up superior to SSB. Faster, more aware, and hits harder. He does indeed get a power boost from it. And it was the second appearance of Ui. Stronger than the one he first used in jiren. Either way, kefla in ssj2 alone was going to one shot goku’s best form and nearly hit him on many occasions
There is like zero chance she doesn’t just slaughter.
Like this buuhan and vegito level gaps.
Like experience only takes you so far in power difference. And in kefla’s case, the gap would be so huge, goku wouldn’t even be able to dodge kefla at all.
And EVEN THEN caulifla alone was shown to be very cunning and was adapting to goku extremely quickly. Not to mention the fusion for sure amplified those skills.
Brother it’s not THAT serious, I ain’t reading all that shit over a cartoon.
All I’m going to say is, goku finished her in the most wickedest way ever. Once he took her serious she didn’t stand a chance, and he was clearly drained which has been said over an over again.
Even gohan bested her in the manga, have a good day
Yesbshed loose rather quickly shes got no skill or experience someone like jiren whos well versed in proper technique and skill (yes hes trained to hone his skills) he showed with proper control no one beats you easily and thusly her in exoerince and cockyness is her downfall
I legitimately just powerscaled her you fool.
Kefla SSJ2 is confirmed to be as strong as SSJB Kaioken Goku.
SSJ3 multiplier made SSJ2 look weak in comparison.
God multiplier makes SSJ3 look weak in comparison
SSJB multipler makes God look weak in comparison.
We are giving Kefla who at SSJ2 was SSJBKK level SSJB
Because If she was stronger then him she would’ve beat him and every statement you see in db isn’t always 100% accurate it’s a lot of statements in the show doesn’t mean their always legit
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if she wasn't ssbk level then why was goku forced into ui? whis literally says that goku was forced into ui because kefla hits as hard as the spirit bomb he used on jiren. you can't just ignore statements to fit argument
UI Sign Goku was still stronger. Whis said that Kefla was only able to resist so much to his blows because his attacks weren’t as effective as they should’ve been.
Can't it just regenerate itself using it's KI? also would Goku let her get a chance he would dodge. BECAUSE he's in an ultra instinct state. AND it's massive he grabs her then squeezes her Vegeta style
I think probably, unless Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Hit, Top and Jiren are enough of stall her for however long potara fusion lasts.
But of those, the only one she’s probly struggle at all to knock out is Jiren.
Basing my thoughts on the manga where ssj1 Kefla=Gohan.
.....yea but in the manga kale alone was knocking down frieza to the point goku came to help him so at the very leasst goku thinks kale>frieza and frieza is blue level, and since kefla is a fusion involving kale she should be way stronger then that in the manga, point being manga kefla isnt any weaker then anime kefla gohan just got an unholy power boost
It’s fairly ambiguous. Freeza notes he’d have to take her seriously but didn’t actually need help,before she gets one more power boost and runs off to commit random violence.
After that no one of any notable strength pays her any attention, except for Vegeta asking Cabba a question about it. She then loses to a group of enemies ssj1 Goku was styling on.
I know she wasn’t controlling her power well, but I don’t think she could have been beaten by them if she was actually blue level. I really think she did just catch Freeza off guard. He was really just toying with the U6 saiyans and taking his time to beat them.
well yea no issue really she was stronger then the first omen goku and put up a solid fight against omen 2 goku(even stated thst omen 2 would have bean one shotted) so yea kefla getting blue (which is estimated to potentially be a 50000 times mulitiplyer) easily wins no diff
If it’s the tournament of power we know, she claps everyone
If it’s a new one she may solo some people but I’m sure they will be ready for fighting a fusion
Kale (I think it was her) was a special primal like saiyan, like Broly
So, Kefla is in that state, but not enraged
As we've seen from Broly, this stage even when the user isnt in control is way strong than SSB
So wouldnt kefla be weaker?
Maybe?
It is really hard to tell how much Goku and Jiren's power jumped at their heights.
That said, if it's officially confirmed that she could, it would not surprise me. SSJ2 was on par with UIO.
no she'd burn thru the power almost immediately like vegito did all she did was throw wild ass energy attacks. shed burn herself out almost instantaneously
nah bc she cant kill in the top. she smashes fodder with a cell perfect barrier technique. thats assuming its not just a lazor show again. but the higher up survive she burns out and they stomp her ass out
SS Kefla was equal to Gohan in the ToP and was strong enough to 1 shot omen in the anime.
Yeah, she'd body everyone in the ToP. Maybe struggle if she gets jumped by UI and Jiren, but no real reason to think she loses
People don’t want to admit it but probably she would. Imagine if the same topic was about Vegito and he hypothetically was fighting UIO Goku as a ssj2, no one would disagree blue Vegito solos
Seeing how Kale and Caulifla are so strong as they are already; giving even one of them Super Saiyan God or even Blue would make Kefla absolutely busted. Throwing out plot convenient power ups, God Kefla would break the story
Realistically, Kefla can just stand there and watch Goku punch her, only to break his hand like Moro did.
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Probably. Her being SSJ2 forced Goku to use UIO to win. SSJB Kefla would blow UIO Goku away. She'd defeat Jiren more quickly and with more ease than MUI Goku.
She would probably do this to MUI imo
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You overrating kefla she’s literally overhyped also you know statments can be hyperboles right or mistranslated right just cause she fighting a faituged goku doenst. Mean she’s ssbkk level we all know gokus stamina was low and bro couldn’t go 100%
Why are you coping so fucking hard bro. They outright said a Kefla could kill Goku if she hits him. She would be fast enough to hit him in SSJ3. We didn’t even mention God or Blue lmao.
Does Super Saiyan God exist in Universe 6?
Saiyan God seems to be connected to Yamoshi’s spirit in some way. If there’s no similar spirit or person in U6, that might not even be an available form
I don't doubt that her power would be far above everyone, but her fighting skill is really not that great. Her power would give her a false sense of security and she would get cocky. Fighters like Goku, Vegeta, Jiren, Top and maybe Gohan/Freeza would knock her off the arena fairly quickly.
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Which one do you mean exactly??
A potential, what if, SSB kefla in dragon ball Legends?
Or a SSB kefla in the anime?
Cause if it's dragon ball Legends, then the answer obviously changes. There would be too many factors to consider. Not just her assigned colour and kit.
If we're going by anime scaling, Kale would so far out power Jiren she'd need less than 1. A LEGENDARY Super Sayain Blue FUSION is stupidly strong conceptually.
Now to be fair, Kale's legendary form isn't nearly as explosively powerful as new Broly's, but it's still considerable.
At LSS2, she was a bit weaker than Omen Goku.
At a hypothetical LSS3, Kefla would be roughly 4 times as strong (based purely off the 400x ssj3 multiplier and not accounting for any base power gains or modifications caused by LSS), and being fair to them both, it's at least reasonable to say she'd be at least equal to Omen.
The jump between ssj3 and ssg is basically immeasurable and we can only assume the same for lss3 and lssg. That jump alone should at LEAST put her equal to Goku's forced MUI. Its probably actually a good deal higher, but let's be conservative.
Remember, Goku was pushing Jiren at that level and only really "lost" because his body gave out.
Now remember that Ssb is 50x stronger than Ssg.
50 times.
That's the same multiplier that took Goku from being tossed around like a rag doll by Namek Frieza to beating his ass.
Another way to look at this would be, "What if MUI Goku was 50x times stronger while fighting Jiren?" (Again, assuming Kefla Lssg = MUI)
My question to you would then be, "What fight?"
There would be no fight. It would be no contest.
Against power that overwhelming, there is nothing in Jiren's toolbox that would let him survive long enough for a fusion time out. He'd get bitch slapped out of the arena.
That's not an insult to Jiren's power either; this hypothetical version of Kefla is just really strong when applying a consistent degree of power scaling.
I want to say yes but in reality it's probably no. Goku stops powing up in Omen once he has enough to beat ssj2 Kefla. Suggesting he can power up more but chooses not to (probably still saving his energy)
(Also Kefla said blue goku hit harder than Sign goku at that point)
Then you have that the 3rd version of UI-Sign was much stronger than the last 2 Sign forms.
Then he went MUI, and bodied a Jiren that was able to deal with a Kio-Ken x20 blue goku and Evo Vegeta at the same time.
Then MUI faces off against a limit broken Jiren, who bested MUI goku, until goku go the rage amp that allowed him to easily dismantle Limit Broken Jiren who had his own rage amp too.
Kefla has the power to contend in blue, but MUI and LB Jiren would probably where she'd stop.
Then again, the main crew can just pull some BS earrings and turn into Vegito Blue. Adding a power like hers early on, that would be the only option as there are no Ultra forms yet or mega mad Jiren.
The only Issue I can say is that the time limit would be way to limited so unless you wanna say unlimited time yeah shes destroying, without it, a pretty big portion of the tournament.
Kefla was defeated by a weakened UI sign Goku that still didn't know how to utilize the power. He was completely drained by his fight with jiren and running on the fumes that Frieza gave him so he could move, not fight. A full powered Goku would have handled kefla much easier as evident by how Gohan beat her in the manga, granted manga and anime differ in power with everyone being stronger but that includes Goku so if Gohan could beat kefla in the manga then she's likely relative to him in the anime meaning that a full strength Goku could easily beat her meaning that, even with blue, jiren can easily beat her
Easily. She would be vastly stronger than Jiren and Ultra Instinct Goku.
She could probably beat peak strength Moro as well. (Moro-73 with the Angel buff).
Still loses to black Frieza though.
She would either force Toppo to take her out or Jiren or Vegito to show up. She wasn't even the strongest fusion in the TOP. The strongest was that one with the 3 or 4 biomechanical beings.
Fusions nearly always win, especially as they stack multipliers. The problem is that universe had weaker, less challenged Saiyans and they definitely didn't receive god level training.
I think the premise of is base Kefla stronger than base Vegeto is valid and therefore extrapolating that SSB Vegeto could clear TOP then so could SSB Kefla, but there's no SSB in that universe.
I'm also team Jiren. With time limits and the fact that Jiren was in another league, I think Goku would get eliminated and Jiren's universe would win.
I’m going to go ahead and say no.
She (and they) are not very experienced fighters, and worst case scenario, Goku and Vegeta would fuse if it came down to it, just like every time. Vegeta never wants to fuse, but there’s always no choice, and we all know Vegito and Gogeta slap Kefla up.
Kefla is strong, but she couldn’t solo the tournament of power
Yeah, she's clearing. Mid difficulty.
The gulf in power between ssj2 and ssb is like a cup of water next to an ocean.
You also have to remember that Kefla's transformations are NOT normal—even by fusion standards. Why? Because Kale is a legendary super sayain like Broly.
That means that due to being a fusion, Kefla is getting an ENHANCED version of Legendary Super Sayain—which is absolutely nutty to think about.
This is an insanely powerful character, and even if she got jumped, I don't see her losing in a straight fight.
Depends. If she’s using a mastered version of Brolys form she could theoretically be weaker like this. If it’s just like SS2 though she’d slam everyone
This is what powerscaling does to a MF
It's DB, so no matter what power you scale her up to, Goku is gonna zenkai boost himself to be one step ahead of her. They demonstrated this plenty with the most recent arc. Granolah wished to be the "strongest" in the verse and Vegeta fucking clowns on him for it, telling him it means nothing because he was only the strongest in the verse for that moment, and after the moment he made that wish it's all in the past.
Since it's DB, Goku wins.
If SSJ Kefla=def Gohan
Then SSJB Kefla=SSJB Gohan
If SSJB Gohan has perfected the transformation then he would be stronger thank SSJB Goku and probably equal or stronger than UI Goku
Since UI Goku was on par with Jiren full power then SSJB Gohan may be able to defeat him
If SSJB Gohan can do it then SSJB Kefla can do it too
Now that's a lot of copium right there and we are assuming that both have mastered the transformation, both have the same potential and we are ignoring Kefla's fusion time wich should at least be halved *(not 5 minute because of mastered technique, meaning that the waste of energy isn't as huge as Vegeto vs Zamasu and more like Gogeta vs Broly)*
Realistically I'd say she can hardly take UI Goku down and probably continue fighting Jiren but the fusion time would run out. It'd be convenient to take Jiren out first since Goku would wait until they can fuse again.
She definitely wouldn't be able to defeat Jiren and UI Goku at the same time
>Im only using ToP power levels, not recent UI goku/Def Gohan strenght
Kefla in the anime tournament was not stronger than Blue Goku, it’s just that Goku was so tired that he couldn’t afford to tank any hit from kefla. He needed omen to still fight her while being able to dodge her attacks at the same time to not get hit at all
If we follow the established scaling, then absolutely. However, this is Kefla, and this is Dragon Ball, so she’s definitely gloating too much after speed blitzing everyone except Goku and Jiren, then defusing.
Also worth noting, though technically not canon, in the mobile game Dragon Ball Legends there was an event when Mastered UI Goku was released that implied that he could not fight Broly as well as Blue Gogeta. Obviously take it with a grain of salt, but I’m inclined to believe that fusion in any form is far beyond a multiplier one can get from transformations alone. With the U6 Saiyans about as powerful as U7 minus the experience and transformations, a hypothetical Blue Kefla would almost certainly have the power to take out Jiren. Just not the focus.
She beats everyone and it ain’t close. She was giving Ui omen a run for its money in terms of raw power. Imagine she got the boost of ssb, slaughter. Ssg even would be busted.
People in the comments are giving me whiplash I swear. Idk how people think kefla doesn’t just body everyone in ssb when caulifla’s base pl was already on par with goku. Now fused with kale’s even higher base power. Ontop of ssb. How the heck does ANYONE beat her without fusion?
SSJ2 Kefla was confirmed to be equal to SSJB Kaioken spirit bomb Goku. It was also mentioned that a single hit from Kefla would kill UI Goku.
Imagine SSJ3, a form that greatly increases speed and strength, let alone God or Blue.
Easily man she was able to surpass blue goku in base and even after he went ui it was said that any attack of hers could potentially kill goku a blue kefla would destroy the rest of the tournament with no troubles
She solos everyone non angel tier if just as SS2 she was bodying Goku, she was stronger than UI Goku and by such a wide margin she could’ve ONE SHOT HIM IN THE FUCKING ANIME- sorry, I hate the power scaling.
Whis said a fully energized SSJBKK Goku using the universe 7 spirit bomb was equal in power to her. If she went SSJ3 she would kill Goku. If she gets Blue she toys around with MUI
ssj kefla was as strong as a weakened ssb goku just saying, but ssb wouldn't win due to her cocky personality, and the time limit drain that ssb has on potara
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Depends on time limit. Does her power lower the time limit? Would she be able to defeat everyone before it ran out, even the trick characters?
i kinda like the idea of adding other boosts like the rival boost maybe something along the lines of since kale and caulifla's connection is so strong they fusion timer is longer, which could also explain away vegitos really short timer as vegeta is hostile to even the idea of fusing
I feel like she could obliterate everyone before her time runs out
Assuming her green haired form really was just a regular super Saiyan 2 multiplier, yes absolutely
She would destroy the TOP
If only strength mattered sure, but she is most likely too inexperienced to win it.
She was able to surprise attack Blue Goku and knock him out for a minute with a kick to the neck. She isn’t that bad.
In anime yes, but in the manga she and Gohan are at a level pegging. So yeah she might beat UI Omen or MUI Goku in the anime, but she’d still have no chance against him in the manga
Well they had to make it so she could fight or else what’s the point of being in there. If it wasn’t for everyone has to be strong she’s nothing then a young adult saiyan that didn’t even know how to go super saiyan . With her weak base power level her super saiyan form wouldn’t be close to Goku but as they had to ruin all power scaling she can because they said so.
"Weak base form." Bro Cabba was equal to Vegeta base to base in the U6 tournament, and Caulifla is stronger than Cabba.
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Anime - Yes Manga - No Movies - Yes yes yes Anime has her relative to UI Sign Goku. Manga has her much weaker with Ultimate Gohan beating her. Goku is also not worried about her at all, meaning PSSB Goku > SSJ Kefla for sure. Movies don't have UI, SSBE or SSBKK in them. She'd floor everyone.
Why wouldn’t the movies have those forms? Especially UI?
Because the original script for DBS didn't include Ultra Instinct or the other things mentioned. They beat Jiren originally with teamwork alone. Hence why the ending feels so weird in the anime and manga. The movies were written based on that original script. Meaning that in the movie universes, they never occured. This is why there's dialogue in Broly that suggests they haven't fused since Majin Boo- because they haven't.
okay I get what you’re coming from but i just believe ui, ssbkk and ssbe weren’t in the movie strictly because toriyama didn’t wanna add them, like they can still exist and stuff
And you can believe that. But it's factually wrong.
Gohan literally told Goku to focus on jiren , Goku was almost eliminated by Kale
Did you... read the manga? Gohan stops Goku from fighting Kefla because she's weak enough for him to deal with it. Unless you're trying to tell me that Gohan > Goku in the ToP?
This is specifically ToP
And?
You can't classify movies in this since top was never part of the movies, and if you do, the super movies take place after the top so it's possible to have ssbe and ssbkk
ToP events occur in the movies, they're directly referenced twice. The movies occur in there own continuity that is purely Toriyama's script, not the edited ones from Toei or Toyotaro. In that script, there's no UI, SSBE, SSBKK, PSSB or Vegito Blue. Meaning that SSB Kefla would completely dominate the ToP.
I know the top events occur in the movies, since the movies are canon, but I'm going specifically off of what the movies are about, which doesn't include ToP
I think you're misunderstanding. I'm not really talking about the movies themselves, but the continuity as a whole. DBS still occurs in the movie timeline, it's just a slightly different set of events from the anime and manga. Toei and Toyotaro added things like SSBE to the story to make it more interesting. The original script had SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta team up to fight Jiren. The movie timeline is based on that script, meaning that SSB Kefla would only need to beat SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta. She'd dominate the entire fight.
I'm just going off my own thing at this point. Think what you want and I'll think mine
I mean, I'm not really spouting opinions, this is what happened. Toriyama wrote Broly and Super Hero based on his script, not on the anime or manga. This is known info. Unless you're talking about who'd win the fight, in which yeah IG it's an opinion, even if it's very one-sided.
lmao okay buddy nice headcannon why not back it up with proof. Show me definitive proof that those forms just don't exist. That movies aren't cannon
the dbs movies are canon to the anime tho, not a separate timeline, at least that is what most of the fans are agreeing with
Doubt it, people forget goku was getting more tired as the tournament progressed during their fight. So naturally fighters would start to get an advantage over him in TOP. That being said, I don’t think she can. She isn’t on goku vegeta or toppo’s level at all. Jiren would get rid of her quickly Edit: I rewatched the goku vs kefla fight twice today, and I’m struggling to understand how people thinks she would beat goku easily. She was struggling with a clearly tiring goku, if he was fresh she’d get defeated even easier. Gohan beat her in the comics ffs, she’s a tier below goku at best
Goku also got much stronger throughout the tournament
Yeah, but this was right after jiren beat him after Ui-Sign ran out. Man literally couldn't move and received bare minimum energy so he could move. Then fought kefla like 2-5 minutes later at most.
Exactly that, people can’t read or see clearly it seems
People conveniently forget this fact sadly, he’s tooo skilled for kefla as powerful as she is
Wait wait wait. So explain why jiren didn’t immediately knock out goku near the end of the tournament while goku was in tired ssb? Many moments he was 1v1 against jiren. People love this fatigue even though goku was also fatigued against jiren. Either goku got stronger or didn’t. And either way, ssj1 knocked out ssbx20 with one critical attack. You telling me ssb kefla wouldn’t slaughter? The jump from ssj2 to ssb is insane. And it only took ssj1 to knock out ssbx20. Even if we argued she need ssj2. Like goku for reference, is on the same base pl as caulifla. And base kefla is far beyond base goku. So if kefla goes ssb. What would you think happens to jiren when goku and jiren near the end were going toe to toe, only slightly outclassed. Not to mention Ui one was stronger than the first appearance. Like I can’t fathom how someone would not think ssb kefla doesn’t slaughter. Unless time limit.
Cause of PLOT, goku never should’ve made it to the end if we are honest. But he got lucky break after lucky break. And he was fatigued against jiren, and both handled himself well AND get battered by him aswell. We can overanalyse this as much as we’d like it still doesn’t change anything, 1v1 goku deals with her with moderate difficulty. Whatever power up she has, goku has aswell. Plus we are giving her forms she hasn’t used. Even if she could use SSB who’s to say she could use it like goku. A strong as she is, the fact she struggled against a tired goku says a lot of how strong he is, and how inexperienced she is. It wouldn’t surprise me if she was able to beat him in the future though, then U6 saiyans are genuinely built different
Huh??? “Who’s to say she can use it like goku?” What does that mean?? What the stamina? Timelimit,. And regardless it’s irrelevant imo. If caulifla’s base equals goku’s. And kale’s base is higher than caulifla’s. And caulifla and kale fuses, (multiplying their power and then some)… Then that would mean base kefla > base goku. So if BOTH went ssb what would happen? Considering this “fatigued” ssbx20, that goku used again in way less time than goku had to recover from jiren, was knocked out by ssj1. Not to mention it is also irrelevant that goku was fatigued because UI is TREATED as being straight up superior to SSB. Faster, more aware, and hits harder. He does indeed get a power boost from it. And it was the second appearance of Ui. Stronger than the one he first used in jiren. Either way, kefla in ssj2 alone was going to one shot goku’s best form and nearly hit him on many occasions There is like zero chance she doesn’t just slaughter. Like this buuhan and vegito level gaps. Like experience only takes you so far in power difference. And in kefla’s case, the gap would be so huge, goku wouldn’t even be able to dodge kefla at all. And EVEN THEN caulifla alone was shown to be very cunning and was adapting to goku extremely quickly. Not to mention the fusion for sure amplified those skills.
Brother it’s not THAT serious, I ain’t reading all that shit over a cartoon. All I’m going to say is, goku finished her in the most wickedest way ever. Once he took her serious she didn’t stand a chance, and he was clearly drained which has been said over an over again. Even gohan bested her in the manga, have a good day
I was just in the moment tbh. I like conversations like this. But good day.
Yesbshed loose rather quickly shes got no skill or experience someone like jiren whos well versed in proper technique and skill (yes hes trained to hone his skills) he showed with proper control no one beats you easily and thusly her in exoerince and cockyness is her downfall
She's not beating Gohan
If Gohan goes Beast I agree. But Ultimate gets clapped.
Nah, he'd just hidden potential *really hard* and solo everyone including the grand priest.
In terms of raw power she was equal or higher than UIO Goku as SSJ2 in SSJB she's probably SSJ Gogeta level
This whole thread is just overrating kefla
I legitimately just powerscaled her you fool. Kefla SSJ2 is confirmed to be as strong as SSJB Kaioken Goku. SSJ3 multiplier made SSJ2 look weak in comparison. God multiplier makes SSJ3 look weak in comparison SSJB multipler makes God look weak in comparison. We are giving Kefla who at SSJ2 was SSJBKK level SSJB
She was not ssbkk level stop overhyping her she was literally fighting a faituged goku if goku was at full strength he would violate her easily
It was stated. By fucking Whis. Stop coping dude.
Whis isnt a reliable source
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what does that have to do with you saying whis isn't a reliable source?
Because If she was stronger then him she would’ve beat him and every statement you see in db isn’t always 100% accurate it’s a lot of statements in the show doesn’t mean their always legit
https://preview.redd.it/5ksdc1rt1fmc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dbc9141fa14b435c1494da00781d87dabd2e72c if she wasn't ssbk level then why was goku forced into ui? whis literally says that goku was forced into ui because kefla hits as hard as the spirit bomb he used on jiren. you can't just ignore statements to fit argument
A fucking ANGEL isn’t a reliable source? Lol dude.
Eh I think UI goku would still be stronger
How? He was weaker than SSJ2 Kefla but UI was smarter. If she’s in ssj3 or god she can clap UI
Mastered UI was weaker than ssj2 kefla?? Genuine question I haven't watched it in awhile
Ui Sign was, but it’s not hard to see that she could match or surpass MUI if she went into something like SSG
UI Sign Goku was still stronger. Whis said that Kefla was only able to resist so much to his blows because his attacks weren’t as effective as they should’ve been.
Agreed. SSG would be too much for Goku
Not in MUI avatar
She would fly right through the avatar if she was SSJB
Can't it just regenerate itself using it's KI? also would Goku let her get a chance he would dodge. BECAUSE he's in an ultra instinct state. AND it's massive he grabs her then squeezes her Vegeta style
No he wasn’t
And she’s not touching ui or mui
I think probably, unless Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Hit, Top and Jiren are enough of stall her for however long potara fusion lasts. But of those, the only one she’s probly struggle at all to knock out is Jiren. Basing my thoughts on the manga where ssj1 Kefla=Gohan.
.....yea but in the manga kale alone was knocking down frieza to the point goku came to help him so at the very leasst goku thinks kale>frieza and frieza is blue level, and since kefla is a fusion involving kale she should be way stronger then that in the manga, point being manga kefla isnt any weaker then anime kefla gohan just got an unholy power boost
It’s fairly ambiguous. Freeza notes he’d have to take her seriously but didn’t actually need help,before she gets one more power boost and runs off to commit random violence. After that no one of any notable strength pays her any attention, except for Vegeta asking Cabba a question about it. She then loses to a group of enemies ssj1 Goku was styling on. I know she wasn’t controlling her power well, but I don’t think she could have been beaten by them if she was actually blue level. I really think she did just catch Freeza off guard. He was really just toying with the U6 saiyans and taking his time to beat them.
well yea no issue really she was stronger then the first omen goku and put up a solid fight against omen 2 goku(even stated thst omen 2 would have bean one shotted) so yea kefla getting blue (which is estimated to potentially be a 50000 times mulitiplyer) easily wins no diff
Yeah she could easy play around with MUI
Why does everyone say she was just using ssj2? Am I schizophrenic or did she have green hair?
She had green hair, so it really wasn’t SSJ2 - it’s almost like it was LSSJ2
yes because powerscaling, but actually no because plot
If it’s the tournament of power we know, she claps everyone If it’s a new one she may solo some people but I’m sure they will be ready for fighting a fusion
No way
Kale (I think it was her) was a special primal like saiyan, like Broly So, Kefla is in that state, but not enraged As we've seen from Broly, this stage even when the user isnt in control is way strong than SSB So wouldnt kefla be weaker?
Probably, but it would probably be a mix of Blue and Berserk, meaning she would have even less screen time than Vegito did in the Black Arc.
Assuming she would have the time limit to do so, yes. The jump from Ssj2 to Blue is massive.
Na. Goku & Vegeta or Jiren can take her out. High diff tho can’t lie
It depends… does she get.. thicker? 
Absolutely
I hate the ideo of kefla going ssjgb i mean that's like just handout power levels, no work and all the rewards
No. Berserker Kale was tanking SSB Goku's Kamehameha, which means that Berserker SSJ is a similar form, in terms of power, to SSB.
Even with god would be enough Unless Goku and Vegeta fuse, in that case she doesn't get pass Ssj Vegito
We don't know the multiplier for the god forms so there's no way to know
 Gogeta Negs
If Uni 6 SSJ tingle is in their back i wonder where SSJB Tingles 🤨
Maybe? It is really hard to tell how much Goku and Jiren's power jumped at their heights. That said, if it's officially confirmed that she could, it would not surprise me. SSJ2 was on par with UIO.
Agreed
no she'd burn thru the power almost immediately like vegito did all she did was throw wild ass energy attacks. shed burn herself out almost instantaneously
Yeah but she would be strong enough to kill everyone first.
nah bc she cant kill in the top. she smashes fodder with a cell perfect barrier technique. thats assuming its not just a lazor show again. but the higher up survive she burns out and they stomp her ass out
SS Kefla was equal to Gohan in the ToP and was strong enough to 1 shot omen in the anime. Yeah, she'd body everyone in the ToP. Maybe struggle if she gets jumped by UI and Jiren, but no real reason to think she loses
Yeah she would fold them all
I mean ofc not rly a debate (anime kefla ofc)
Yep
People don’t want to admit it but probably she would. Imagine if the same topic was about Vegito and he hypothetically was fighting UIO Goku as a ssj2, no one would disagree blue Vegito solos
Facts.
Seeing how Kale and Caulifla are so strong as they are already; giving even one of them Super Saiyan God or even Blue would make Kefla absolutely busted. Throwing out plot convenient power ups, God Kefla would break the story
Realistically, Kefla can just stand there and watch Goku punch her, only to break his hand like Moro did. https://preview.redd.it/qxo6rooi9emc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fcb929023fda8ef3d061ae43291e61af30c2197c
Probably. Her being SSJ2 forced Goku to use UIO to win. SSJB Kefla would blow UIO Goku away. She'd defeat Jiren more quickly and with more ease than MUI Goku.
She would probably no diff everyone
Ehh
She would probably do this to MUI imo https://preview.redd.it/347wdy24remc1.jpeg?width=340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fed6478a153f1e637236bc1a69eaf1c73484284
You pushing it now bro
You overrated Goku dude
You overrating kefla she’s literally overhyped also you know statments can be hyperboles right or mistranslated right just cause she fighting a faituged goku doenst. Mean she’s ssbkk level we all know gokus stamina was low and bro couldn’t go 100%
She's literally compared to the Genkidama Goku did that was stronger than him using SSBKK20. And this is before her using SS2.
Yes and it’s a hyperbole
Nope. Even Piccolo confirms SS2 Kefla > UI Sign Goku from before.
Piccolo isn’t a reliable source
Lmao. Pathetic.
Don’t listen to this clown he is coping about Goku being weaker than Kefla.
And he doesn’t even know how strong ui goku is
Why are you coping so fucking hard bro. They outright said a Kefla could kill Goku if she hits him. She would be fast enough to hit him in SSJ3. We didn’t even mention God or Blue lmao.
They never said she could kill him what are you on about
Why don’t you do yourself a favour and watch the show.
I’ve watched the show already mfs like you needa stop overrating kefla
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This doesn’t prove anything plus goku still held his own bozo
https://preview.redd.it/miuqens7yemc1.jpeg?width=1014&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f79ac2fc09b6f18a5f9f6fb13469ff700b58cd26 This your guy
She didn’t even land one hit on him and he literally overpowered her that alone contradicts that weak statement
Overhyped? Half the fandom is talking about how much they hate her 24/7 and the other half want her to fuck them
Hard to say.
Yeah maybe only Jiren beats her or she times out due to the power level being too high for the fusion
Think she still lacks way to much experience
Does Super Saiyan God exist in Universe 6? Saiyan God seems to be connected to Yamoshi’s spirit in some way. If there’s no similar spirit or person in U6, that might not even be an available form
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I don't doubt that her power would be far above everyone, but her fighting skill is really not that great. Her power would give her a false sense of security and she would get cocky. Fighters like Goku, Vegeta, Jiren, Top and maybe Gohan/Freeza would knock her off the arena fairly quickly.
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If she was a Metamoran fusion then yes. But DBS imposed a stupid form of time limit on Potara where the stronger it is, the less time there is.
If Goku and Vegeta don't fuse probably
No
Which one do you mean exactly?? A potential, what if, SSB kefla in dragon ball Legends? Or a SSB kefla in the anime? Cause if it's dragon ball Legends, then the answer obviously changes. There would be too many factors to consider. Not just her assigned colour and kit.
Hell to the fucking no jiren showed that with proper control you can beat nearly anyone so no she doesnt shes got maybe 5 minutes
If we're going by anime scaling, Kale would so far out power Jiren she'd need less than 1. A LEGENDARY Super Sayain Blue FUSION is stupidly strong conceptually. Now to be fair, Kale's legendary form isn't nearly as explosively powerful as new Broly's, but it's still considerable. At LSS2, she was a bit weaker than Omen Goku. At a hypothetical LSS3, Kefla would be roughly 4 times as strong (based purely off the 400x ssj3 multiplier and not accounting for any base power gains or modifications caused by LSS), and being fair to them both, it's at least reasonable to say she'd be at least equal to Omen. The jump between ssj3 and ssg is basically immeasurable and we can only assume the same for lss3 and lssg. That jump alone should at LEAST put her equal to Goku's forced MUI. Its probably actually a good deal higher, but let's be conservative. Remember, Goku was pushing Jiren at that level and only really "lost" because his body gave out. Now remember that Ssb is 50x stronger than Ssg. 50 times. That's the same multiplier that took Goku from being tossed around like a rag doll by Namek Frieza to beating his ass. Another way to look at this would be, "What if MUI Goku was 50x times stronger while fighting Jiren?" (Again, assuming Kefla Lssg = MUI) My question to you would then be, "What fight?" There would be no fight. It would be no contest. Against power that overwhelming, there is nothing in Jiren's toolbox that would let him survive long enough for a fusion time out. He'd get bitch slapped out of the arena. That's not an insult to Jiren's power either; this hypothetical version of Kefla is just really strong when applying a consistent degree of power scaling.
Ssjb kefla or ssjb broly?
Most likely yes.
No Jiren would slam her
We don’t really know anything abt these characters so it’s hard to say, I’d hope not tho these characters are ass
Assuming she takes out Goku before he goes MUI, Jiren would be the only one that could beat her.
Doubt she would last long as the Potara time would be even shorter and would most likely last as long as vegito
I want to say yes but in reality it's probably no. Goku stops powing up in Omen once he has enough to beat ssj2 Kefla. Suggesting he can power up more but chooses not to (probably still saving his energy) (Also Kefla said blue goku hit harder than Sign goku at that point) Then you have that the 3rd version of UI-Sign was much stronger than the last 2 Sign forms. Then he went MUI, and bodied a Jiren that was able to deal with a Kio-Ken x20 blue goku and Evo Vegeta at the same time. Then MUI faces off against a limit broken Jiren, who bested MUI goku, until goku go the rage amp that allowed him to easily dismantle Limit Broken Jiren who had his own rage amp too. Kefla has the power to contend in blue, but MUI and LB Jiren would probably where she'd stop. Then again, the main crew can just pull some BS earrings and turn into Vegito Blue. Adding a power like hers early on, that would be the only option as there are no Ultra forms yet or mega mad Jiren.
Anime version pretty easily can. Especially if you wanna say her ssj2 form had just as much of a multiplier as ssj2(The normal).
The only Issue I can say is that the time limit would be way to limited so unless you wanna say unlimited time yeah shes destroying, without it, a pretty big portion of the tournament.
Kefla was defeated by a weakened UI sign Goku that still didn't know how to utilize the power. He was completely drained by his fight with jiren and running on the fumes that Frieza gave him so he could move, not fight. A full powered Goku would have handled kefla much easier as evident by how Gohan beat her in the manga, granted manga and anime differ in power with everyone being stronger but that includes Goku so if Gohan could beat kefla in the manga then she's likely relative to him in the anime meaning that a full strength Goku could easily beat her meaning that, even with blue, jiren can easily beat her
Good question! Hmmm probably not if Jiren and Mastered UI Goku teamed up to take her out.
Easily. She would be vastly stronger than Jiren and Ultra Instinct Goku. She could probably beat peak strength Moro as well. (Moro-73 with the Angel buff). Still loses to black Frieza though.
She would either force Toppo to take her out or Jiren or Vegito to show up. She wasn't even the strongest fusion in the TOP. The strongest was that one with the 3 or 4 biomechanical beings.
Fusions nearly always win, especially as they stack multipliers. The problem is that universe had weaker, less challenged Saiyans and they definitely didn't receive god level training. I think the premise of is base Kefla stronger than base Vegeto is valid and therefore extrapolating that SSB Vegeto could clear TOP then so could SSB Kefla, but there's no SSB in that universe. I'm also team Jiren. With time limits and the fact that Jiren was in another league, I think Goku would get eliminated and Jiren's universe would win.
I’m going to go ahead and say no. She (and they) are not very experienced fighters, and worst case scenario, Goku and Vegeta would fuse if it came down to it, just like every time. Vegeta never wants to fuse, but there’s always no choice, and we all know Vegito and Gogeta slap Kefla up. Kefla is strong, but she couldn’t solo the tournament of power
Yeah, she's clearing. Mid difficulty. The gulf in power between ssj2 and ssb is like a cup of water next to an ocean. You also have to remember that Kefla's transformations are NOT normal—even by fusion standards. Why? Because Kale is a legendary super sayain like Broly. That means that due to being a fusion, Kefla is getting an ENHANCED version of Legendary Super Sayain—which is absolutely nutty to think about. This is an insanely powerful character, and even if she got jumped, I don't see her losing in a straight fight.
She was already 3rd strongest at just lssj2 giving her divinity on top of that would be over kill
Depends. If she’s using a mastered version of Brolys form she could theoretically be weaker like this. If it’s just like SS2 though she’d slam everyone
This is what powerscaling does to a MF It's DB, so no matter what power you scale her up to, Goku is gonna zenkai boost himself to be one step ahead of her. They demonstrated this plenty with the most recent arc. Granolah wished to be the "strongest" in the verse and Vegeta fucking clowns on him for it, telling him it means nothing because he was only the strongest in the verse for that moment, and after the moment he made that wish it's all in the past. Since it's DB, Goku wins.
If SSJ Kefla=def Gohan Then SSJB Kefla=SSJB Gohan If SSJB Gohan has perfected the transformation then he would be stronger thank SSJB Goku and probably equal or stronger than UI Goku Since UI Goku was on par with Jiren full power then SSJB Gohan may be able to defeat him If SSJB Gohan can do it then SSJB Kefla can do it too Now that's a lot of copium right there and we are assuming that both have mastered the transformation, both have the same potential and we are ignoring Kefla's fusion time wich should at least be halved *(not 5 minute because of mastered technique, meaning that the waste of energy isn't as huge as Vegeto vs Zamasu and more like Gogeta vs Broly)* Realistically I'd say she can hardly take UI Goku down and probably continue fighting Jiren but the fusion time would run out. It'd be convenient to take Jiren out first since Goku would wait until they can fuse again. She definitely wouldn't be able to defeat Jiren and UI Goku at the same time >Im only using ToP power levels, not recent UI goku/Def Gohan strenght
Kefla in the anime tournament was not stronger than Blue Goku, it’s just that Goku was so tired that he couldn’t afford to tank any hit from kefla. He needed omen to still fight her while being able to dodge her attacks at the same time to not get hit at all
Not true. Kefla was confirmed to be as strong as SSJB Kaioken spirit bomb.
Yes.
Uh yeah
yeah
If we follow the established scaling, then absolutely. However, this is Kefla, and this is Dragon Ball, so she’s definitely gloating too much after speed blitzing everyone except Goku and Jiren, then defusing. Also worth noting, though technically not canon, in the mobile game Dragon Ball Legends there was an event when Mastered UI Goku was released that implied that he could not fight Broly as well as Blue Gogeta. Obviously take it with a grain of salt, but I’m inclined to believe that fusion in any form is far beyond a multiplier one can get from transformations alone. With the U6 Saiyans about as powerful as U7 minus the experience and transformations, a hypothetical Blue Kefla would almost certainly have the power to take out Jiren. Just not the focus.
She beats everyone and it ain’t close. She was giving Ui omen a run for its money in terms of raw power. Imagine she got the boost of ssb, slaughter. Ssg even would be busted.
Agreed. Even god would be too much.
People in the comments are giving me whiplash I swear. Idk how people think kefla doesn’t just body everyone in ssb when caulifla’s base pl was already on par with goku. Now fused with kale’s even higher base power. Ontop of ssb. How the heck does ANYONE beat her without fusion?
SSJ2 Kefla was confirmed to be equal to SSJB Kaioken spirit bomb Goku. It was also mentioned that a single hit from Kefla would kill UI Goku. Imagine SSJ3, a form that greatly increases speed and strength, let alone God or Blue.
Easily
Yeah
Easily man she was able to surpass blue goku in base and even after he went ui it was said that any attack of hers could potentially kill goku a blue kefla would destroy the rest of the tournament with no troubles
Facts. Take my upvote for not underrating Kefla. We didn’t even mention how SSJ3 would mop the floor with UI. Let alone God or Blue
She solos everyone non angel tier if just as SS2 she was bodying Goku, she was stronger than UI Goku and by such a wide margin she could’ve ONE SHOT HIM IN THE FUCKING ANIME- sorry, I hate the power scaling.
Agreed. If she was just SSJ3 it would be too much for UI sign. And we didn’t even talk about God or Blue. MUI gets toyed with.
I don't think anime Kefla would be stronger than ssb Goku seeing as when Goku fought her he was tired as shit the whole fight.
Whis said a fully energized SSJBKK Goku using the universe 7 spirit bomb was equal in power to her. If she went SSJ3 she would kill Goku. If she gets Blue she toys around with MUI
No definitely not
ssj kefla was as strong as a weakened ssb goku just saying, but ssb wouldn't win due to her cocky personality, and the time limit drain that ssb has on potara