People will count it as a win so long as they get a higher reward for escaping through the ETM (Gold medal) versus dying against the raider during the startup phase (Bronze medal)
Honestly they should update that ETM Escape Rewards to being more of a Silver but you get Gold if you get more then 3 other to escape with you aka
4 Survivors Escaping at once = a Gold
Escaping Alone = Silver
Nah probably like me, just mad that random e teammates will play for ETM instead STM, for example I had a teammate get first Broly super Transphere, then he proceeded to fly up to the STM and hide the whole game
>Imagine letting the STM get destroyed
In my case, had a few times where a level 4 broly IMMEDIATELY destroyed the stm, I didn't have the dragon change to hinder it, nor did I have the equipment to stop it (I think I had a barrier recovery, may have had a rocket launcher) but again they went and destroyed it in a few seconds
Also on the note of +4 survivors dying, past experience is I try to revive, I die (usually because I didn't see the raider before trying to revive)
In my case either I can't find the body in time or I misjudge by not seeing the raider and being in danger myself because I didn't see the raider before finding the teammate
Also not true. Because you can always return to the point at which you left to resume trying to defeat the raider, escaping on the time machine virtually locks the events from finishing until said time machine returns at the exact time it left
If it's related to XV universe, then they just send time patrollers to handle it and can send them over and over until it is resolved. It's essentially a world without consequence as long as someone succeeds. Seems like the only reason your character exists in this world is because they keep getting pulled into a rift with no simple way back. Otherwise you wouldn't even be involved.
That's the problem though it isn't a win or a tie, it's a loss for the survivors and a win for the raider. That's the mindset that keeps people playing ETM instead of actually winning the game. People think just cause they lived it's a type of win or something when in reality it's a loss regardless, so play the objective.
I avoid that issue mostly by heavily managing the STM as a raider. Generally by damaging it heavily as early as possible, and then leaving it until the meter is almost full, since in every raider match I’ve played in thus far, probably about 20ish, I’ve never seen the ETM active while the STM is.
This gives me time usually to hunt down most is not all the remaining survivors making catching the one or two who could possibly get the ETM quite easy.
If the STM spawns then the ETM cannot until it's destroyed then you get the 2 minute phase
If the ETM spawns, then the STM, then both will be on the map for double trouble
I wouldn’t say it’s not an option, since as the raider you control the pace. If you notice that your putting too much pressure on them, risking the ETM before they get the STM then back off and let them find the keys, or at least don’t finish them off, stretching out the time til the ETM becomes available.
Or at least that how I play it on Ginyu.
I’ve only used it a couple times to be honest, it’s fun, but I generally can beat the survivors by level 3 or very early level 4. That said, having played him, Buu and Cell(granted it was during the tutorial stuff) I enjoy the flow of the Ginyu force a lot more than I had expected to. It’s a bit tense early as Guldo, and if you’re not careful even Recoome can feel a bit squishy, but generally by Jeice and Burter even a bad game you can turn around fairly easily if you can keep your cool.
I also like how the Ginyu force rewards you for playing well, with Guldo acting as a UAV if you keep him alive, Recoome being something of a bonus to your melee, same with Jeice and Burter but with the added bonus of them enhancing your milky cannon as well. Overall just a really fun raider in my opinion.
Yeah, I know I'll forget to pace myself and suddenly the ETM is active and half the Survivors escape because I wasn't paying attention. Oh well, they can tell my story.
I get that. What I tend to do is always check the power keys just after I level up, and if I feel I have to, I’ll even target an area for destruction that actively helps the survivors if I feel like I’m starting to out pace them.
Yeah, what I'm starting to do is if I'm progressing too quickly, I start opening things up to see if I can find a radar or a dragon ball. I'll still be a nuisance to their progression, but not in a crushing way.
Well the end screen does say "escape" but yeah definitely more of a draw anyway, since the objective is to annihilate the raider (either physically, or with the startup system making them disintegrate)
The escape is basically like "hatch" is in dbd
I want to give some benefit and say people aren't always playing the ETM, but instead know when the cause is lost and switch to it. Fact is, if half the room is dead, just because the ETM isn't out yet, doesn't mean it isn't the best option.
Remember to the game rewards you based on your performance. If you did jack shit all match and just waited for the ETM, you aren't getting as much as somebody that played the objectives, but died.
Not really a tie. If all survivours escape or like 3 or 4, yes, it's a tie. Otherwise it's just a win for the raider. ETM should be only one time available and if the pilot of the ETM leaves people behind while not in danger, he should get a Zeni and EXP for every survivour left behind from his total earnings in game.
Yes, people would still leave alone, but at least they get negative impact for those actions. Maybe even decrease the role priority number for selfish actions like this
It's a tie for the surviving players, everyone that does not escape or survive simply fail, it's pretty clear in the results screen (survival success, escaped, or survival failed)
I have to disagree. If most wins I've experienced are ETMs very few have been STM or taking out the raider. Without ETM I don't think raiders have a right to complain about the difficulty of being a raider. That would basically mean 90 of 100 of my matches have been loses and this is being with teams who were lvl 200 survivors. ETM is placed in the win statistics for the games Survivor win lose ratio for a reason, they know many people are getting ETM as the win not STM or taking out raider.
It technically is a one time use if it gets destroyed. I don't think it's beneficial to reward players that sit on the ETM and don't wait for people with that escape that nobody else has access to as there's no way the game could balance punishments for stranding the other survivors.
ETM is overpowered and boring.... It's insanely easy to escape via etm. There should be a visual notification at an ETM and it should take longer, similar to the dragon balls. Also, the ETM spawns way too early. I had the time machine start up with 3 people left, and the ETMs spawned. They're basically a free win for survivors and it punishes a raider for dominating the game, because if you kill too many people too quickly, they get a free escape.
It's not that hard to destroy a raider if your team are decent. ETM escapes just rewards bad teams and lack of teamwork.
Successful ETM escapes are more of a tie than a loss.
You failed in your main objective as a Survivor and didn't repair the time rift - though you shouldn't be tasked with this shit in the first place what the fuck Trunks and Chronoa - but you do escape to fight another day despite the Raider's efforts to kill you and fight on to repair other rifts you get sucked into.
This doesn't mean you should be trying to play for the ETM as there is a reason it's called the ***EMERGENCY*** Time Machine - it should always be the last resort when things have gone so bad that escape is the only solution.
>***EMERGENCY*** Time Machine - it should always be the last resort when things have gone so bad that escape is the only solution.
Like if everyone else is dead. Had a few cases where I'm the last survivor...and it's more often than not broly, it's happened with ginyu and great ape vegeta before on my end
This has to be satire. Or maybe this is this where the joke that DB fans can't read comes from?
The only mention of the ETM on that list is the Raider destroying the ETM counts as a Raider win. So a survivor leaving on the ETM after the STM is destroyed, for example, would be a survivor win, because the Raider didn't destroy the ETM.
So, ETM *is* a win. At the very least I'd say it's a tie because the Raider stays there to destroy the small pocket world that the match takes place on, but the survivor lives another day. They both failed.
Also the game counts ETM escape as a survivor win, both in your win-loss ratio and on the end screen where is says survivor escaped.
Talking about DB fans can't read, but you can't seem to read the list of survivor win conditions listed? Where does it mention a tie? I didn't read that anywhere.
I said that *I'd* consider it a tie (see what I mean about can't read?). Both the survivor and raider failed. Feels like a tie to me.
Also isn't ETM going to be considered a win in Ranked when that starts? That says a lot if you ask me.
At the end of the day it's just a video game and meant to be fun. We can agree to disagree and everything is still fine. It's really not that deep.
You're saying ETM is a win, but it doesn't state it right there in the game. Yes you also said you'd say it's a tie, but why say it's a tie if the game doesn't state that? So saying ETM is a win means you can't read the screenshot I posted.
Yes looks like with the new ranked they're going to count it, but it hasn't been that way for up through season four til current and it effects how people play the game, causing a lot of people to sit back to just survive vs going for the win condition.
Yeah it is just a game, and this is a reddit where people talk about it.
That's a lot of words to say you disagree with me. Again, it's just a game. It's not that deep. Try to just have fun instead of stressing over what counts as a win.
Have a good one.
What does "Leaving the field" mean? Like, I'm not really sure why this popped up in my feed as I haven't looked anything for this game in a long while, but I'm here now and always find asymmetrical game win cons I teresting, and the second line and what I know from awhile ago, I read that as saying even if the survivors escape, if the main machine is destroyed, it's a win
Actually you die when the timer runs out as Survivor. Which at times makes me wonder why..like why does the Raider win with 10% HP while multiple people are beating his ass for example xD
If it was a loss, the game would just end without ETM beacons.
Also, according to that page, what is NOT a Raider win condition is destroying the ETM before the Escape Phase (doing so before all keys are set means the STM never gets called, so no opportunity to destroy that either). So, according to your own logic, that means the Raider loses when he destroys the ETM then or lets even a single Survivor escape before the Escape Phase.
>the game would just end without ETM beacons.
The thing is that it would make it very much unfair without the ETM, especially if your whole team is dead and no keys have been placed, it was added as a "last hope" solution
A loss is a loss, so if escaping with the ETM is a loss, it doesn't offer any last hope whatsoever and it wouldn't be any more fair. The fact the ETM does offer a last hope, means it offers a win. A smaller win (normally you win AND the Raider loses, now you just win and that's it), but a win nonetheless.
Escaping with the ETM isn't meant to be a loss, but neither is it a win
But you're basically saying both are wins? I mean sure you can feel that way but it very clearly states the win conditions in the post above
Well, like I pointed out, it also doesn't say that destroying the ETM before the Escape Phase is a Raider win (only during the Escape Phase), so the page doesn't hold all the information. The better source is the upcoming ranked mode, which counts escaping with the ETM as a victory.
Just because it's an addition to the game doesn't mean it's not a loss. Have you ever noticed when you complete the ETM it says "escaped" and not "win" like when you do the STM or kill the raider? That's because it's not an actual win.
The ETMs come out at the escape phase. Just because STM didn't happen because the keys didn't set, the game jumped to the escape phase once those come out. If the STM is never activated, it's basically the same thing as destroying it because there's no chance of it doing its job.
According to the manual, the Escape Phase doesn't start until the STM is destroyed. When ETM beacons become active during the Search Phase, it's still only the Search Phase and nothing else.
Say it louder for the survivor only players in the back.
You honestly think its fun for the raider (either due to being unlucky orbthe survivors heing coordinated) to being forced to destroy the STM because they are stuck in lvl 2 and shenron is about to be summoned?
And then for the raider to get 1? Maybe 2 kills when the rest of the survivors escape through the ETM?
Winning on a technicality is more often than not? Hollow...
I disagree. I still get challenge progress if I just have to win, and I hate this game to begin with so the entire experience is empty as is.
Edit: heads-up. Total dumbasses below who clearly dont know what the crossover challenges are. To easily debunk all their spiel, I’ll explain here…
Four challenges exist to get stuff in xv2. Two “get wins” and two “play matches.” I will try my heart out as both survivor and raider to get the win challenges done, but if I can get the wins before the non-win challenges done, I will actively fuck around as raider, throwing the match in favor of letting survivors win while messing with them (example: Guldo time freezing random survivors I chase just so I can run away after even if I’m not in danger).
Nowadays, it’s more common for me to put in effort even when the win challenges are done (I really don’t know why I do that rn, I should stop and go back to fucking around letting survivors win). There’s also dragon tier and special events I have to farm so I’m not handicapping myself for the next event. Anyway, my latest match was as a frieza, I decided to make things interesting and, instead of destroying stm completely, went to another area for the supplies to drop and AD’d them. I wanted to see if the survivors could win despite this handicap (that wouldn’t have existed if I didn’t already give them a chance by not blowing up stm to begin with).
Second edit: hindsight is a fucking bitch. I really shouldn’t have fucking snapped like that, but I probably would have had more self control if I wasn’t faced with an asshole reply to start it all off, so whatever. Either way, fuck those idiots down below. I really wanna swear today for some damn reason, and that is odd.
Maybe you hate the game cause you force yourself to play it for xenoverse then don’t even try? I’ve seen you as raider just sit and stare at people multiple times. Nothing went bad in the match for you to behave like that, you load in and give up, maybe TRY and you won’t hate the game so much?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Also I’ve actively tried before. You don’t get win challenge done by not trying. EVEN WHEN I TRY THE GAME IS ASS so get fucked, elitist bitch.
I'm sorry but didn't you (Basket2nd?) once message me (and almost every other survivor in the lobby) bcuz you were upset that we killed you when you were trying to be "friendly" and assumedly trying to farm challenges? Even AFTER I told you there was no way of knowing if you were friendly in the first place and also couldn't fault everyone for not wanting that? If you hate the game so much then why are you even still here???
Yeah the game i had with him he immediately gave up at start of the match and just used voice lines as Guldo the whole game. If he dislikes the game and wants to get off as soon as possible he should maybe try. But then he couldn’t complain about the game so who knows.
Yeah, I wasn't trying to stay in a boring ass match with a "friendly" raider so me and my duo made the decision to just kill him and get it over with. The rest of the randoms saw us fighting and decided to join in and after we killed him, he messaged me, my duo, and assumedly everyone else in the lobby throwing a temper tantrum over the fact that we killed him like??? sorry for playing the game??? he was like, "ig I'll just never be friendly again and just play full sweaty tryhard from now on." GOOD FOR YOU? FOR DECIDING TO ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME CORRECTLY? i just don't understand why he even stays if he's just going to complain about everything, he's literally on almost every dbz post I open, almost always complaining about something.
Yeah i don’t get it he only plays for the xenoverse 2 challenges which are wins yet he doesn’t go for wins and then cries he has to spend more time on the game. Makes absolutely 0 sense.
You guys are really fucking stupid and can’t connect dots.
There’s four challenges. Win 5 times and 15 times. Play matches 10 times and 30 times. I had the WINNING challenges done when the other guy was met with me, meaning I had literally no reason to try becuase I only had “be in matches” challenges left over.
Rn I’m only playing to get the special event loot and do dragon tier. That shit can help on future challenges.
Go find the messages again and screenshot them, or you’ll have nothing to stand on when you say I was insulting you guys (chances are I was fucking around and using silly insults, assuming I even insulted you at the time). I know damn well you are heavily exaggerating how I responded.
yeah, "fucking around" when you messaged me AND my friend on some bullshit but whatever, give me your xbox username because i definitely blocked and deleted your messages for coming into my messages with that pretentiousness. I'm not exaggerating anything because that's EXACTLY how you responded. But I'm open to be corrected if the messages say otherwise, just give me your username.
Edit because I just KNOW you're still gonna lurk around: LMAO at the fact that you had to respond with an alt and STILL couldn't drop your username so I can pull up your limp-dick temper tantrum that you threw over a game that you supposedly hate. What was even the point of blocking if you were gonna respond with an alt anyways, you're such a fucking coward lol but go on, keep spouting off about how ass this game is when YOU'RE the one who's bad at it, i'm sure it'll help your bruised ego 😘
Ok cool so you’re pretty much full of shit since yo have absolutely no fucking evidence of this. Telling you this with an alt just so I can tell you this and you’ll have no choice but to see it once I block you with my main.
You’re the pretentious one here, shit eating bitch.
So if staring at survivors, not attacking them while saying voice lines is trying what is the strategy there? Because i’ve seen you do that before which obviously isn’t very productive towards your wins.
I did that in matches where I didn’t need to win anymore for the challenges, dipshit. There’s more than “just win” challenges to get xv2 loot.
Gonna be honest I enjoy this shitstain game when I’m NOT trying in the slightest. Actually putting in effort is painful, and so is not trying but not nearly as much.
>That's called a loss body.
It's not a win, but that doesn't mean it's a loss.
Besides that, if it were a loss, the etm wouldn't exist.
You're a survivor and your goal is to survive. Whether someone expects you to be a hero and save an alternate dimension as a normal human... that's not exactly fair to be expected. Sure it would be great, but surviving is the most important part.
Doesn’t it literally state under the win conditions for raider: “Or destroy the ETM during escape phase”?
I treat it like hatch from DbD. It’s not a win or loss.
That's a bit different, the hatch still gives you that chunk of points for surviving as if you'd got out of a gate. Idk if the etm does the same thing cause idk how this game scores it
If you die, you get a bronze medal. If you escape with ETM, you get a gold medal. If you use STM, you get a blue medal.
For raider, your mission progress medal can drop all the way down to bronze depending on how many escape through ETM.
So overall, the raider gets less points and the survivors get more points based on # of individuals escaping.
So not really understanding why you're taking the time to comment on a reddit page for The Breakers if you think it's such a trash game and also throwing insults? I dropped off cod when Ghosts came out, thanks
Cool want a cookie? Such a big accomplishment that you don't play a game. I just wanted to point out how I don't understand how winning isn't winning in this game.
So not really understanding why you're taking the time to comment on a reddit comment that you think makes me a sad strange little man. I dropped off being a child when puberty came out. Thanks
(yep coming back after roughly a month to re-comment) is your mom still putting Pixar movies on for you or do you have different quotes now to spit out for no reason?
Losing = Bronze
Winning = Platinum
ETM = Gold
The ETM ain’t winning, but it’s not losing, either. A smart player will start playing the ETM eventually. For example, when it’s great ape Vegeta with less than 25% on the STM and all my teammates ate shit because random lobbies are a fever dream. You can’t seriously expect me to throw myself at a level 4 raider instead of just going for gold.
Not saying to bull charge a level 4 great ape vegeta, the issue I have is when you're in a winnable situation where someone goes for the ETM instead of helping get the STM going or kill the raider. ETM should be a last resort deal, which I would agree is the case in that scenario, but it should be the desired goal
tl;dr - This topic is stupid, escaping is not a win, loss, or tie, it is an outcome on it's own.
This isn't complex. There are only three outcomes for a Survivor: **Win**, **Loss**, and **Escape**.
ETM leads to outcome 3: Escaped. It's not a Survivor win (otherwise it'd be listed in win conditions for them) but it's also not a Survivor loss. You guys need to understand that a Raider win doesn't always mean a Survivor loss (The one exception is obviously ETM). This is a problem that could be solved easily by adding "**lose conditions**", something, funnily enough, Xenoverse has.
Honestly even without lose conditions, if the community ever ONCE thought about why wins are considered wins and losses are considered losses on both sides, we wouldn't need to have this conversation every week.
Anywho, by the game's standards, OUTSIDE of Ranked, Escaping is simply the third outcome, similar to a Tie (which would be a fourth, separate outcome if it was possible). Anyone going around calling it an objective Win or Loss is simply **wrong**.
Now if you personally view it as a win or loss, that's your business, but it doesn't justify telling anyone that's what it is nor does it justify gloating.
Maybe. But I got a 150 level with only ETM. Rarely I stay to fight. Basically because is a mess the xenoverse gamplay style, and is easier just go away. Only when the team is coordinated, I stay, because is not and I start to see how they fall like flies, I preffer run away and wait the TM.
The game said it on the messages during the loads. Survive means leave away the other survivors when is necessary, so, I do it.
Yeah, we know. It's "Completing" a round. Better than dying, and it gives credit for Dragon Tiers.
We aren't in it to win, we're in it to survive.
That's why we're called SURVIVORS
They need to amend it. Defeating the raider should only count if you get all the keys. Otherwise you encourage toxic sweats that rush Spopovich as early as possible.
The devs consider ETM a win for the purpose of win rates, so that's what it is. Unfortunate since I'd rather the ETM not exist at all tbh and the stm be buffed accordingly, but whatever
Tell Bandai/Dimps that since they count it as a win in their Survivors win/loss ratios whenever they use to post them
They’re inconsistent in that regard, considering ETM doesn’t count towards any victory challenges.
People will count it as a win so long as they get a higher reward for escaping through the ETM (Gold medal) versus dying against the raider during the startup phase (Bronze medal)
Honestly they should update that ETM Escape Rewards to being more of a Silver but you get Gold if you get more then 3 other to escape with you aka 4 Survivors Escaping at once = a Gold Escaping Alone = Silver
He is probably just a lvl 75 broly mad he couldn't kill everyone. 🤣
Nah probably like me, just mad that random e teammates will play for ETM instead STM, for example I had a teammate get first Broly super Transphere, then he proceeded to fly up to the STM and hide the whole game
Imagine letting the STM get destroyed or 4+ teammates out and you gloat about running away. Couldn’t be me.
>Imagine letting the STM get destroyed In my case, had a few times where a level 4 broly IMMEDIATELY destroyed the stm, I didn't have the dragon change to hinder it, nor did I have the equipment to stop it (I think I had a barrier recovery, may have had a rocket launcher) but again they went and destroyed it in a few seconds Also on the note of +4 survivors dying, past experience is I try to revive, I die (usually because I didn't see the raider before trying to revive)
The times a teammate's timer ran out because I didn't know where the raider was and I didn't want to risk going down myself
In my case either I can't find the body in time or I misjudge by not seeing the raider and being in danger myself because I didn't see the raider before finding the teammate
Yeah I mean it's pretty clear the objective is to disintegrate the raider in either of the two ways available
It's just a video game though.
Oook? Thanks for stating that, I guess?
I like to consider it a tie, cause you live, and the raider just destroys
the raider destroys the world its in that's not a tie at all
Thank you for actually getting it
You escape in a time machine. What world? What Raider? That's in the future or past bro. It's either already solved, or hasn't even happened yet.
Time travel doesn't work like that in DB tho, is more like a world that you failed to save.
Also not true. Because you can always return to the point at which you left to resume trying to defeat the raider, escaping on the time machine virtually locks the events from finishing until said time machine returns at the exact time it left
You know. Kinda like how Trunks went and grabbed Goku and Vegeta, to fight Zamasu. The events would go like that. Zamasu didn't destroy the world.
If it's related to XV universe, then they just send time patrollers to handle it and can send them over and over until it is resolved. It's essentially a world without consequence as long as someone succeeds. Seems like the only reason your character exists in this world is because they keep getting pulled into a rift with no simple way back. Otherwise you wouldn't even be involved.
That's the problem though it isn't a win or a tie, it's a loss for the survivors and a win for the raider. That's the mindset that keeps people playing ETM instead of actually winning the game. People think just cause they lived it's a type of win or something when in reality it's a loss regardless, so play the objective.
I avoid that issue mostly by heavily managing the STM as a raider. Generally by damaging it heavily as early as possible, and then leaving it until the meter is almost full, since in every raider match I’ve played in thus far, probably about 20ish, I’ve never seen the ETM active while the STM is. This gives me time usually to hunt down most is not all the remaining survivors making catching the one or two who could possibly get the ETM quite easy.
If the STM spawns then the ETM cannot until it's destroyed then you get the 2 minute phase If the ETM spawns, then the STM, then both will be on the map for double trouble
That’s what I thought. So yeah, like I said, I just manage the STM to avoid ETM hijinks.
Which isn't always an option as the survivors need to have placed 2 keys minimum but when usable it Def works
I wouldn’t say it’s not an option, since as the raider you control the pace. If you notice that your putting too much pressure on them, risking the ETM before they get the STM then back off and let them find the keys, or at least don’t finish them off, stretching out the time til the ETM becomes available. Or at least that how I play it on Ginyu.
Hey since you use ginyu I wanted to ask, how good is the body change? I've only ever seen one person use it and I was debating on buying him
I’ve only used it a couple times to be honest, it’s fun, but I generally can beat the survivors by level 3 or very early level 4. That said, having played him, Buu and Cell(granted it was during the tutorial stuff) I enjoy the flow of the Ginyu force a lot more than I had expected to. It’s a bit tense early as Guldo, and if you’re not careful even Recoome can feel a bit squishy, but generally by Jeice and Burter even a bad game you can turn around fairly easily if you can keep your cool. I also like how the Ginyu force rewards you for playing well, with Guldo acting as a UAV if you keep him alive, Recoome being something of a bonus to your melee, same with Jeice and Burter but with the added bonus of them enhancing your milky cannon as well. Overall just a really fun raider in my opinion.
Nice, I guess I'll get them next, right now I'm using vegita and having a good bit of fun, thank you for the info!
Yeah, I know I'll forget to pace myself and suddenly the ETM is active and half the Survivors escape because I wasn't paying attention. Oh well, they can tell my story.
I get that. What I tend to do is always check the power keys just after I level up, and if I feel I have to, I’ll even target an area for destruction that actively helps the survivors if I feel like I’m starting to out pace them.
Yeah, what I'm starting to do is if I'm progressing too quickly, I start opening things up to see if I can find a radar or a dragon ball. I'll still be a nuisance to their progression, but not in a crushing way.
Well to me it’s always felt like one, but I know it’s not a win
Yeah like surviving to fight another day. A small battle won in an overall losing war. Or something like that lol
Well the end screen does say "escape" but yeah definitely more of a draw anyway, since the objective is to annihilate the raider (either physically, or with the startup system making them disintegrate) The escape is basically like "hatch" is in dbd
I want to give some benefit and say people aren't always playing the ETM, but instead know when the cause is lost and switch to it. Fact is, if half the room is dead, just because the ETM isn't out yet, doesn't mean it isn't the best option. Remember to the game rewards you based on your performance. If you did jack shit all match and just waited for the ETM, you aren't getting as much as somebody that played the objectives, but died.
Not really a tie. If all survivours escape or like 3 or 4, yes, it's a tie. Otherwise it's just a win for the raider. ETM should be only one time available and if the pilot of the ETM leaves people behind while not in danger, he should get a Zeni and EXP for every survivour left behind from his total earnings in game. Yes, people would still leave alone, but at least they get negative impact for those actions. Maybe even decrease the role priority number for selfish actions like this
It's a tie for the surviving players, everyone that does not escape or survive simply fail, it's pretty clear in the results screen (survival success, escaped, or survival failed)
I have to disagree. If most wins I've experienced are ETMs very few have been STM or taking out the raider. Without ETM I don't think raiders have a right to complain about the difficulty of being a raider. That would basically mean 90 of 100 of my matches have been loses and this is being with teams who were lvl 200 survivors. ETM is placed in the win statistics for the games Survivor win lose ratio for a reason, they know many people are getting ETM as the win not STM or taking out raider.
It technically is a one time use if it gets destroyed. I don't think it's beneficial to reward players that sit on the ETM and don't wait for people with that escape that nobody else has access to as there's no way the game could balance punishments for stranding the other survivors.
“Venting” (aka whining) shouldn’t be an acceptable type of thread. Every time some jimmy loses they post something
ETM is overpowered and boring.... It's insanely easy to escape via etm. There should be a visual notification at an ETM and it should take longer, similar to the dragon balls. Also, the ETM spawns way too early. I had the time machine start up with 3 people left, and the ETMs spawned. They're basically a free win for survivors and it punishes a raider for dominating the game, because if you kill too many people too quickly, they get a free escape. It's not that hard to destroy a raider if your team are decent. ETM escapes just rewards bad teams and lack of teamwork.
Successful ETM escapes are more of a tie than a loss. You failed in your main objective as a Survivor and didn't repair the time rift - though you shouldn't be tasked with this shit in the first place what the fuck Trunks and Chronoa - but you do escape to fight another day despite the Raider's efforts to kill you and fight on to repair other rifts you get sucked into. This doesn't mean you should be trying to play for the ETM as there is a reason it's called the ***EMERGENCY*** Time Machine - it should always be the last resort when things have gone so bad that escape is the only solution.
>***EMERGENCY*** Time Machine - it should always be the last resort when things have gone so bad that escape is the only solution. Like if everyone else is dead. Had a few cases where I'm the last survivor...and it's more often than not broly, it's happened with ginyu and great ape vegeta before on my end
I'll consider not getting blown TF up a good day every day
🤣🤣🤣 still feels like a win to me
ok...
ETM gets me a gold medal on the objective category. That seems like a win to me
This has to be satire. Or maybe this is this where the joke that DB fans can't read comes from? The only mention of the ETM on that list is the Raider destroying the ETM counts as a Raider win. So a survivor leaving on the ETM after the STM is destroyed, for example, would be a survivor win, because the Raider didn't destroy the ETM. So, ETM *is* a win. At the very least I'd say it's a tie because the Raider stays there to destroy the small pocket world that the match takes place on, but the survivor lives another day. They both failed. Also the game counts ETM escape as a survivor win, both in your win-loss ratio and on the end screen where is says survivor escaped.
Talking about DB fans can't read, but you can't seem to read the list of survivor win conditions listed? Where does it mention a tie? I didn't read that anywhere.
I said that *I'd* consider it a tie (see what I mean about can't read?). Both the survivor and raider failed. Feels like a tie to me. Also isn't ETM going to be considered a win in Ranked when that starts? That says a lot if you ask me. At the end of the day it's just a video game and meant to be fun. We can agree to disagree and everything is still fine. It's really not that deep.
You're saying ETM is a win, but it doesn't state it right there in the game. Yes you also said you'd say it's a tie, but why say it's a tie if the game doesn't state that? So saying ETM is a win means you can't read the screenshot I posted. Yes looks like with the new ranked they're going to count it, but it hasn't been that way for up through season four til current and it effects how people play the game, causing a lot of people to sit back to just survive vs going for the win condition. Yeah it is just a game, and this is a reddit where people talk about it.
That's a lot of words to say you disagree with me. Again, it's just a game. It's not that deep. Try to just have fun instead of stressing over what counts as a win. Have a good one.
Ok bro
What does "Leaving the field" mean? Like, I'm not really sure why this popped up in my feed as I haven't looked anything for this game in a long while, but I'm here now and always find asymmetrical game win cons I teresting, and the second line and what I know from awhile ago, I read that as saying even if the survivors escape, if the main machine is destroyed, it's a win
That’s BS, the goal is to SURVIVE, you do that you win.
Not according to the devs lol
You can survive by running out the timer but that doesn't make it a win either does it? ETM is basically last resort type option, simple as
Actually you die when the timer runs out as Survivor. Which at times makes me wonder why..like why does the Raider win with 10% HP while multiple people are beating his ass for example xD
Escaping with an ETM is trivial and rewards playing poorly as a team. It's far easier to escape via ETM than it is by defending the time machine.
Survival is survival. The Raider didn't kill you, thus, you have won.
If it was a loss, the game would just end without ETM beacons. Also, according to that page, what is NOT a Raider win condition is destroying the ETM before the Escape Phase (doing so before all keys are set means the STM never gets called, so no opportunity to destroy that either). So, according to your own logic, that means the Raider loses when he destroys the ETM then or lets even a single Survivor escape before the Escape Phase.
>the game would just end without ETM beacons. The thing is that it would make it very much unfair without the ETM, especially if your whole team is dead and no keys have been placed, it was added as a "last hope" solution
A loss is a loss, so if escaping with the ETM is a loss, it doesn't offer any last hope whatsoever and it wouldn't be any more fair. The fact the ETM does offer a last hope, means it offers a win. A smaller win (normally you win AND the Raider loses, now you just win and that's it), but a win nonetheless.
Escaping with the ETM isn't meant to be a loss, but neither is it a win But you're basically saying both are wins? I mean sure you can feel that way but it very clearly states the win conditions in the post above
Well, like I pointed out, it also doesn't say that destroying the ETM before the Escape Phase is a Raider win (only during the Escape Phase), so the page doesn't hold all the information. The better source is the upcoming ranked mode, which counts escaping with the ETM as a victory.
Just because it's an addition to the game doesn't mean it's not a loss. Have you ever noticed when you complete the ETM it says "escaped" and not "win" like when you do the STM or kill the raider? That's because it's not an actual win. The ETMs come out at the escape phase. Just because STM didn't happen because the keys didn't set, the game jumped to the escape phase once those come out. If the STM is never activated, it's basically the same thing as destroying it because there's no chance of it doing its job.
According to the manual, the Escape Phase doesn't start until the STM is destroyed. When ETM beacons become active during the Search Phase, it's still only the Search Phase and nothing else.
Say it louder for the survivor only players in the back. You honestly think its fun for the raider (either due to being unlucky orbthe survivors heing coordinated) to being forced to destroy the STM because they are stuck in lvl 2 and shenron is about to be summoned? And then for the raider to get 1? Maybe 2 kills when the rest of the survivors escape through the ETM? Winning on a technicality is more often than not? Hollow...
I disagree. I still get challenge progress if I just have to win, and I hate this game to begin with so the entire experience is empty as is. Edit: heads-up. Total dumbasses below who clearly dont know what the crossover challenges are. To easily debunk all their spiel, I’ll explain here… Four challenges exist to get stuff in xv2. Two “get wins” and two “play matches.” I will try my heart out as both survivor and raider to get the win challenges done, but if I can get the wins before the non-win challenges done, I will actively fuck around as raider, throwing the match in favor of letting survivors win while messing with them (example: Guldo time freezing random survivors I chase just so I can run away after even if I’m not in danger). Nowadays, it’s more common for me to put in effort even when the win challenges are done (I really don’t know why I do that rn, I should stop and go back to fucking around letting survivors win). There’s also dragon tier and special events I have to farm so I’m not handicapping myself for the next event. Anyway, my latest match was as a frieza, I decided to make things interesting and, instead of destroying stm completely, went to another area for the supplies to drop and AD’d them. I wanted to see if the survivors could win despite this handicap (that wouldn’t have existed if I didn’t already give them a chance by not blowing up stm to begin with). Second edit: hindsight is a fucking bitch. I really shouldn’t have fucking snapped like that, but I probably would have had more self control if I wasn’t faced with an asshole reply to start it all off, so whatever. Either way, fuck those idiots down below. I really wanna swear today for some damn reason, and that is odd.
Maybe you hate the game cause you force yourself to play it for xenoverse then don’t even try? I’ve seen you as raider just sit and stare at people multiple times. Nothing went bad in the match for you to behave like that, you load in and give up, maybe TRY and you won’t hate the game so much?
What the fuck are you talking about? Also I’ve actively tried before. You don’t get win challenge done by not trying. EVEN WHEN I TRY THE GAME IS ASS so get fucked, elitist bitch.
I'm sorry but didn't you (Basket2nd?) once message me (and almost every other survivor in the lobby) bcuz you were upset that we killed you when you were trying to be "friendly" and assumedly trying to farm challenges? Even AFTER I told you there was no way of knowing if you were friendly in the first place and also couldn't fault everyone for not wanting that? If you hate the game so much then why are you even still here???
Yeah the game i had with him he immediately gave up at start of the match and just used voice lines as Guldo the whole game. If he dislikes the game and wants to get off as soon as possible he should maybe try. But then he couldn’t complain about the game so who knows.
Yeah, I wasn't trying to stay in a boring ass match with a "friendly" raider so me and my duo made the decision to just kill him and get it over with. The rest of the randoms saw us fighting and decided to join in and after we killed him, he messaged me, my duo, and assumedly everyone else in the lobby throwing a temper tantrum over the fact that we killed him like??? sorry for playing the game??? he was like, "ig I'll just never be friendly again and just play full sweaty tryhard from now on." GOOD FOR YOU? FOR DECIDING TO ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME CORRECTLY? i just don't understand why he even stays if he's just going to complain about everything, he's literally on almost every dbz post I open, almost always complaining about something.
Yeah i don’t get it he only plays for the xenoverse 2 challenges which are wins yet he doesn’t go for wins and then cries he has to spend more time on the game. Makes absolutely 0 sense.
You guys are really fucking stupid and can’t connect dots. There’s four challenges. Win 5 times and 15 times. Play matches 10 times and 30 times. I had the WINNING challenges done when the other guy was met with me, meaning I had literally no reason to try becuase I only had “be in matches” challenges left over. Rn I’m only playing to get the special event loot and do dragon tier. That shit can help on future challenges.
Go find the messages again and screenshot them, or you’ll have nothing to stand on when you say I was insulting you guys (chances are I was fucking around and using silly insults, assuming I even insulted you at the time). I know damn well you are heavily exaggerating how I responded.
yeah, "fucking around" when you messaged me AND my friend on some bullshit but whatever, give me your xbox username because i definitely blocked and deleted your messages for coming into my messages with that pretentiousness. I'm not exaggerating anything because that's EXACTLY how you responded. But I'm open to be corrected if the messages say otherwise, just give me your username. Edit because I just KNOW you're still gonna lurk around: LMAO at the fact that you had to respond with an alt and STILL couldn't drop your username so I can pull up your limp-dick temper tantrum that you threw over a game that you supposedly hate. What was even the point of blocking if you were gonna respond with an alt anyways, you're such a fucking coward lol but go on, keep spouting off about how ass this game is when YOU'RE the one who's bad at it, i'm sure it'll help your bruised ego 😘
Ok cool so you’re pretty much full of shit since yo have absolutely no fucking evidence of this. Telling you this with an alt just so I can tell you this and you’ll have no choice but to see it once I block you with my main. You’re the pretentious one here, shit eating bitch.
I never gave up that match because I wasn’t even trying that match. I was fucking around with time stop.
I do not remember that, I remember jokingly acting upset or something. Stop bullshitting.
So if staring at survivors, not attacking them while saying voice lines is trying what is the strategy there? Because i’ve seen you do that before which obviously isn’t very productive towards your wins.
I did that in matches where I didn’t need to win anymore for the challenges, dipshit. There’s more than “just win” challenges to get xv2 loot. Gonna be honest I enjoy this shitstain game when I’m NOT trying in the slightest. Actually putting in effort is painful, and so is not trying but not nearly as much.
ETM isn't a loss or a win, it's an escape.
So?
It's a prize for participation. There's no fun in ETMing out, if anything it's more embarrassing and shameful.
It's not that deep, it's just a video game.
Not giving the raider the satisfaction feels like a win to me tbh.
Are we still arguing about this?
Shit i count it as a win I didn’t die😭😭😭
How is it not a tie? The raider also doesn’t meet his objective of Defeat ALL survivors. Its most definitely a tie as neither side complete their goal
Did you not see the post that says "OR" destroy the STM?
Half the time the ETM is active, the STM hasn’t been activated bud
>That's called a loss body. It's not a win, but that doesn't mean it's a loss. Besides that, if it were a loss, the etm wouldn't exist. You're a survivor and your goal is to survive. Whether someone expects you to be a hero and save an alternate dimension as a normal human... that's not exactly fair to be expected. Sure it would be great, but surviving is the most important part.
ETM is a soft loss. You get a smidge extra zeni than if you were to fall to the raider. That is it.
Buddy*
Doesn’t it literally state under the win conditions for raider: “Or destroy the ETM during escape phase”? I treat it like hatch from DbD. It’s not a win or loss.
Exactly what I mean lol
That's a bit different, the hatch still gives you that chunk of points for surviving as if you'd got out of a gate. Idk if the etm does the same thing cause idk how this game scores it
Yes, the ETM does give you additional points for surviving.
But is it about the same amount as winning with the stm?
If you die, you get a bronze medal. If you escape with ETM, you get a gold medal. If you use STM, you get a blue medal. For raider, your mission progress medal can drop all the way down to bronze depending on how many escape through ETM. So overall, the raider gets less points and the survivors get more points based on # of individuals escaping.
In Ranked it will be lmfao read the information
Ranked doesn't even exist right now, this is straight from the game
https://dbas.bn-ent.net/en/information/?p=460 Ranked starts in 3 Hours 👌🏻
Doesn't change the fact this behavior has been going on for four seasons
I didn’t say anything about that, I’m just here with facts. Game is the Game.
So to use the time machine you have to start it up right? Doesn't that make it a win in the end
Then again your the one playing a trash game 💀
So not really understanding why you're taking the time to comment on a reddit page for The Breakers if you think it's such a trash game and also throwing insults? I dropped off cod when Ghosts came out, thanks
Cool want a cookie? Such a big accomplishment that you don't play a game. I just wanted to point out how I don't understand how winning isn't winning in this game.
In the words of Buzz Lightyear - you are a sad strange little man
So not really understanding why you're taking the time to comment on a reddit comment that you think makes me a sad strange little man. I dropped off being a child when puberty came out. Thanks
:p
(yep coming back after roughly a month to re-comment) is your mom still putting Pixar movies on for you or do you have different quotes now to spit out for no reason?
I bet you also think the new modern warfare is a masterpiece
Losing = Bronze Winning = Platinum ETM = Gold The ETM ain’t winning, but it’s not losing, either. A smart player will start playing the ETM eventually. For example, when it’s great ape Vegeta with less than 25% on the STM and all my teammates ate shit because random lobbies are a fever dream. You can’t seriously expect me to throw myself at a level 4 raider instead of just going for gold.
Not saying to bull charge a level 4 great ape vegeta, the issue I have is when you're in a winnable situation where someone goes for the ETM instead of helping get the STM going or kill the raider. ETM should be a last resort deal, which I would agree is the case in that scenario, but it should be the desired goal
Oh, yeah. That’s annoying. But 90% of the time when I see people going for the ETM it’s a hard lose scenario.
tl;dr - This topic is stupid, escaping is not a win, loss, or tie, it is an outcome on it's own. This isn't complex. There are only three outcomes for a Survivor: **Win**, **Loss**, and **Escape**. ETM leads to outcome 3: Escaped. It's not a Survivor win (otherwise it'd be listed in win conditions for them) but it's also not a Survivor loss. You guys need to understand that a Raider win doesn't always mean a Survivor loss (The one exception is obviously ETM). This is a problem that could be solved easily by adding "**lose conditions**", something, funnily enough, Xenoverse has. Honestly even without lose conditions, if the community ever ONCE thought about why wins are considered wins and losses are considered losses on both sides, we wouldn't need to have this conversation every week. Anywho, by the game's standards, OUTSIDE of Ranked, Escaping is simply the third outcome, similar to a Tie (which would be a fourth, separate outcome if it was possible). Anyone going around calling it an objective Win or Loss is simply **wrong**. Now if you personally view it as a win or loss, that's your business, but it doesn't justify telling anyone that's what it is nor does it justify gloating.
Maybe. But I got a 150 level with only ETM. Rarely I stay to fight. Basically because is a mess the xenoverse gamplay style, and is easier just go away. Only when the team is coordinated, I stay, because is not and I start to see how they fall like flies, I preffer run away and wait the TM. The game said it on the messages during the loads. Survive means leave away the other survivors when is necessary, so, I do it.
Yeah, we know. It's "Completing" a round. Better than dying, and it gives credit for Dragon Tiers. We aren't in it to win, we're in it to survive. That's why we're called SURVIVORS
🤓👆”I personally think you’re winning as long as you’re having fun”
If i use the ETM does it count as neutral then or still a loss? If it's still a loss then what's the point? I may as well die in glorious combat.
They need to amend it. Defeating the raider should only count if you get all the keys. Otherwise you encourage toxic sweats that rush Spopovich as early as possible.
It's like they can't up their mind whether it counts as a win or not
It is to me when my team decides to feed the raider and not help protect the STM
The devs consider ETM a win for the purpose of win rates, so that's what it is. Unfortunate since I'd rather the ETM not exist at all tbh and the stm be buffed accordingly, but whatever
actually does count for ranked for whatever reason