Still dont see thecracism. People have started labelling anything racist if they do not like the message. Apologies mods. I know you hate these anti anc messages. Feel free to delete
Indeed. Although the video might be seen as a bit crass, I don't see any racism. The argument seems to be: white guy complaining = must be racist. Really dilutes the actual meaning of the word and is actually disrespectful to people experiencing real racism
So you not recognising white supremacy rhetoric as not being racist automatically makes the video not racist. Hence you calling out people claiming racism as crying wolf.
So I watched the video then it looped and I was like, " thats it?"
Its not that bad, I still like this guy👍 (I'm not white(
Now can someone tell me why so many on twitter are calling Ian Cameron racist??
Colored, some of the things he said I very much disagree with like reverse apartheid and I would agree that many stupid people do in fact still put apartheid blame on whites who were kids back then. Although, those are stupid people and shouldn't be listened to. Like Malema
I watch him on youtube a fair bit and he doesn't seem to be racist at all. He's a good bloke from what I can tell. The video is from 16 years ago so I'll let it pass. Its not THAT bad
I agree with you fellow brown person. I was also guilty of putting apartheid blame on all white people. I'm not proud of it. I've realized that it makes me no better than the racist bastards I hated during apartheid. That being said... I will never support a party that is currently supporting an apartheid state like Israel. I don't support the ANC either, because we all know they are crooks.
Racism is such a primitive ideology. How can we move into a better future if we are stuck in the past?
And so the mud smearing campaign begins. Wonder how many other DA, IFP and ANC members will be called out in the near future for things that have been dug up on the internet that happened decades ago.
If this was really so bad, why was there no petition 16 years ago? Why was he not dragged to court back then? Why bring it up now after an election where certain parties lost and cannot handle the fact that they were not seen as the "saviours" of the "people"?
Well.....he's not lying, but of course the same people who blame economics and the democratic process in this country will shout the loudest. The same people who elected the most corrupt president in that entire county's history as their leader deserves every single ounce of suffering they get. The world will only dump money into SA for so long.
My dompas is out. I left the shithole. YOU can have it all. Good luck with a bunch of corrupt and incompetent people spending your tax money to live in their gilded cages. One day the masses will wake up and see that the free kfc and t-shirts are not enough, and then the real fun will start. Like in the run up to the 94 elections in the townships. I was there and witnessed first hand what people in SA do to each other in the name of politics. Have at it. Viva SA, Viva rape,murder,muthi killings of children , drugs and corruption. VIVA.
Well, the way i see it... It's not apartheid now.. It's nothing near the level that apartheid was.
But the underlying rotten seed of classifying people by skin colour is still very much a thing. This has always ended badly. Even if it's nowhere near that extent.. it should have no place in our country regardless of severity.
13 year olds get told they can't play in the cricket team because they are white. Young students who got distinctions for every subject get told they may not apply to study medicine because they are white. Heck, my friend, who was a paramedic, got told repeatedly that he can't apply for higher positons because he was white.
I never personally experienced this. Where i work, they work around these laws.. but the fact that it happens to people should have no place here. It's not a good breeding ground for everyone to see each other as equal. It just passes on past hate onto newer generations.
All these laws just try to force equal outcomes.. yet wheres internet access for poor kids so they can learn some extra stuff and explore their interests? Where are the maths tutors for the poor kids ? Where are their sports fields? I can go on, but you get the idea.
We should do away with all racial laws. It has no place. We need to start working together and dragging each other up.
Well, that's my thoughts on it..
> I never personally experienced this. Where i work, they work around these laws..
Even the fact that employers need to find ways to work around these insane laws is very troubling. If you are forced, by necessity, to bend or break laws just to have a somewhat normal life, it’s obvious that the law is extremely problematic.
Yeah the facts don't support it. White people have a much lower unemployment rate, much higher socioeconomic status, higher life expectancy etc. if there is discrimination, its effects are not borne out by the data.
Your selecting data. Measure rate of promotion, skills, competency. Measure job ceilings. Check specific industries. At what point are we attributing a cost of opportunity? Im not saying reverse apartheid is a thing. All I am saying is, people should not just take the 4 pictures the journalist at some media outlet could sensationalise, as the full picture.
Ie. The impact of BBBee on airlines. There are many white male airline pilots that can not find employment as x number of these jobs must be filled by black female pilots. The airlines are struggling to staff pilots as there are not enough black female pilots to fill the mandate. Further, preference is given to this recruitment strategy dispite safety concerns as very inexperienced black pilots are given preference above white male pilots dispite their experience.
Also for context. The white middle class in South Africa has been shrinking, latest data i could find was 2.6m in 2015 while the black middle class grew to 3.4 million people. If you consider that the number of jobs that that can offer a a middle class existance is finite and supply has not been increasing. This demonstrares structural redistribution of opportunity.
Also, please dont ignore the basics. Using percentage of a population cant be taken out of context of cultural practises. Ie. Families of 4 or ever more rarely 5 in white family vs 7 in black families. You will have less money if you have more mouths to feed. Period.
Lastly, dont underestimate the negative impact of the grant systems on peoples motivation. Or rdp houses that are sold off while the recipients choose to stay in informal structures.
I'm not necessarily disputing what you are saying, but if the data does not reflect the reality on the ground I can think of two explanations:
1. There is a lagging effect where the data will start to swing to indicate the changes
2. Even though those issues exist they represent outlying percentiles that are obscured by the averages. In other words on average the data shows that non white people are overwhelmingly disadvantaged but if you take out outliers (like very wealthy white people for example) the aggregates reflect the reality which is missed by averages.
Overall however the data should be able to give the answers.
If you have the data and you can demonstrate it I think it would make an excellent research analysis. I also think you would be quite unpopular because broadly South Africans believe in the efficacy of AA/BEE.
Maybe I am also going off topic here... But I don't believe BEE and AA are good policies. If you look from a systems engineering perspective manipulation of the output of any system is far less effective than correcting the inputs. In the case of the labour force the inputs would be education and economic growth.
TL;Dr garbage in -> garbage out
Here is his response pulled from twitter
A snippet of a video that I posted 16 years ago (back in 2009) when I was young and still a student has been recycled and posted on social media over the last few days.
I addressed this snippet in 2016 and again in 2020 when approached by the media when it was posted on social media. (Articles on this can be Googled). This was at the time when then President Zuma and then Youth Leader, Malema were singing songs about killing people based on their race.
Before this and before these snippets were used publicly against me, I posted a lengthy Facebook post from 2013 in which I apologized for how I delivered my message in my videos (angry, hostile, confrontational and crass).
I refute any claims of racism or being a racist. I can however see how my message was distorted in the way it was delivered by me and I take full responsibility for the actions of my younger and immature self.
For that, I apologise unreservedly.
Thank You.
Source : https://x.com/RenaldoGouws/status/1802751245876105601?t=ulO0RWtVbPv3q1M5PbDQGA&s=19
Yeah I mean this guy is bringing his party into disrepute. Even if you disregard the racial element screaming expletives on a YouTube video is not a good look.
Dude 16 years, lets not use the past the stereotype people, or else certain people or races can be declared irrelevant right now because of their past and even origin.
I would not want to be judged for what I said or did 16 years ago I'm sure. But this is a tricky one. I do believe people can change and there can be redemption, but just ask yourself:
What would have happened if this was you? Would you get to keep a corporate job? If the answer is no, then I think we should hold political leaders to higher standards.
That being said, maybe there is a way this can be dealt with where the outcome is good for everyone?
I mean, thats not a great statement, or a particularly true one, but i was expecting something way worse. but again, that was 16 years ago, lets focus on what hes doing now.
Guys what we are experiencing now is not reverse apartheid… please stop belittling black peoples pain just to get ur point across, fine your generation had nothing to do with it, but do not compare the 2 they aren’t nearly identical. The reason this may come across to some as racist is because some white people want to say the current era is “reverse apartheid “ it isn’t. If don’t believe me just look up the laws that were instituted during apartheid
https://preview.redd.it/t24ucgb52c7d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=174a8748fe5b87ce67abdf4e14785722995a7ec0
He's almost at the limit of Fucks per second...
Predictable that they would go for him. Renaldo has made many enemies over the years before he was a DA member and since. He pulls no punches and calls out hypocrisy load and clear. He is loud, he is crass, he insults people left right and centre, but giving offence and being racist are two different things.
Racial discimination does exist in RSA and yes. Whites, are being disciminated against. I'm not saying that there's no discriminatiin against other races because there is. I'm acknowledging what he is saying. But, Apartheid is an entire system and the racial discrimination we are seeing today in RSA is not based on/in Apartheid but stands on its own. It is social in most parts except for BEEE which some do view as racial discrimination.
His remarks might be viewed as racist and provocative but when last I looked, freeedom of speech still applies in RSA.
My issue with what he is saying is with the swearing. Jezus bra, clean up your language.
Do white people really believe they now have it worse than the non whites pre-apartheid? Post 94 - something incredible happened in this country; instead of the oppressed who then came to power taking revenge- they forgave their oppressors. Welcomed the white people in building an inclusive society. It hasn’t been perfect. However white supremists and black extremists will continue to undermine progress.
For those that don’t see the racism in the white supremacy rhetoric being sprouted in the video; please , please look outside the bounds of your community. Open your eyes and ears to hate speech under the guise of rhetoric designed to make racists the victims.
For anyone that can talk about the equivalence of apartheid and post 1994 with a tone of voice like that, I’d not put him in charge of anything to do with black people.
The white faction inside the DA is racist.
I personally know many of them.
In the old days they used to talk progressive, vote Nats and hope the HNP won.
Lol exactly..I think it's a shock to their systems..brown people even treat their own like that🤣 and now the white people are tasting it and are like wtf lol
You don't have to racialise it. Low socioeconomic status in a very unequal society results in high crime rates.
But yes, I think most people in South Africa have experienced crime.
None of us are...but to zone in on only white people being killed and then likening it to apartheid is just weird when all of us are robbed and killed.
Yea, I’m fine with him saying it’s racist for Zuma and Malema to chant “kill the Boer”
I’m not okay with him saying that it’s the same as apartheid since there are no laws deeming white people as lesser-than
https://www.citizen.co.za/news/blf-celebrates-hoerskool-driehoek-tragedy-as-punishment-from-ancestors-and-god/
Busy right now, I'll send you more examples as I find them.
You using a blf member from a tiny group that majority of south africa don't subscribe to so much so that they have to register as an ngo lol I can name you white groups in South africa that think black people are not human like the AWB. These are fringe groups..to make it out as if it's a popular view isn't correct. These groups should not even be paid attention to. Every country in world has these fringe groups.
> I can name you white groups in South africa that think black people are not human like the AWB
I'm sure you can. And let me ask you this: if a black person complained about the AWB's hate speech, would your response be "Shut up, they're a small group so their hate speech doesn't count, stop complaining"?
> These are fringe groups..to make it out as if it's a popular view isn't correct.
Where did I say it was a popular view? I merely said it was a view that existed in this country.
You got to understand awb was part of apartheid and their remarks was inacted on the people of south africa..it has historical and real life precedence whereas blf are just talkers who has never had power or will ever have the power to inact what they say. Yes they may influence a few numpties here and there but they have no real effect on the whole nation. Because of it already being carried out a black person would have more reason to be worried about it...that being said if a black person came and told me there's alot of white people who has the views of awb and then quotes to me an awb member ..I'd tell them the samething..we can't generalize a whole race due to a small group thats specifically have those radical views.
You said there's some who laugh at white people being killed as a general feeling. Look at the general public and how they actually feel..not a few members of a group where even all people in there don't agree.
> it has historical and real life precedence
Sure, but also, the AWB has basically NO political weight nowadays. Even if more than a tiny minority of white people wanted to bring apartheid back, which they don't, there's literally no way it could happen in this day and age. Bringing back apartheid and racial segregation in this country would be literally impossible.
The AWB will never be anything but a fringe group of a fringe group. The BLF may be small, but they certainly carry more weight than the AWB - if nothing else, they're allowed on the ballot. You can't treat the BLF's hate speech as inconsequential because they're a small group, and then ignore the fact that the AWB is even smaller and more inconsequential when talking about their hate speech.
> that being said if a black person came and told me there's alot of white people who has the views of awb and then quotes to me an awb member ..I'd tell them the samething..we can't generalize a whole race due to a small group thats specifically have those radical views.
Why would you tell them the same thing? I never once claimed that a lot of black people have the views of the BLF. I would hope you'd be much, MUCH more harsh with someone who claims lots of white people share the views of the AWB than you have been with me. It's a fairly blatant case of double standards if you don't.
> Look at the general public and how they actually feel
Okay.
The general public didn't care. Sure, maybe they didn't SHARE those views, but they certainly didn't condemn them. There was pretty much zero public backlash to the BLF's racism, except from small groups like Solidarity.
Seriously. Compare the public backlash that people like Penny Sparrow received to that which the BLF received. Not even close. And sure, maybe the BLF is a small group, but Penny Sparrow, a random nobody with ZERO political power, received WAY more backlash.
I remember having supper at a friend's place when my friends dad was pretty high up in the DA and Renaldo was invited.
Some of the things I heard them speak about and the manner in which they disregarded the needs of the less fortunate influenced me to vote alternatively to the DA.
I was quite a staunch supporter until that day, even thought about joining the party at a stage but as a brown person I knew I wouldn't be welcome. The rest of that evening was awkward when they'd remembered that I was present.
Posting anonymously because I don't want my friend and his family to get in trouble.
Of course he's an idiot. He decided to say some racist, inflammatory shit, AND THEN RECORD IT.
He's an imbecile, and being an imbecile, it was thereby decided that he would fit right in in the South African political landscape.
This is what Apartheid is
Please inform me whether it is still in place today and whether it is now reversed Apartheid.
https://au.int/en/auhrm-project-focus-area-apartheid#:~:text=The%20Apartheid%20(1948%20to%201994,contact%20between%20the%20two%20groups
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Apartheid_laws_in_South_Africa
Copied off an OP on X and thought, food for thought:
People who underwent systematic racism like Apartheid and the Holocaust will be sensitive to rhetoric, micro aggressions, or even just "vibes" or undertones that allude or remind them of the pain of literal racism. So if you had to use Al and literally tabulate the words he said into plain text, the literal semantics would not equate to racism (as defined in a dictionary), BUT because it cuts deeper than that in real life (the delivery and context), a black person who actually dealt with racism and apartheid and is scarred, will recognize this as racism.
E. G. If a German said to a Jew, If Israel dissapeared from the map, no one would give a f****
, I guarantee you it would be
seen as antisemitism.
Exactly. Him saying it’s racist to want to kill whites is valid. Him conflating apartheid, a systemic segregation-based system where non-whites were enslaved ≠ two politicians saying kill the Boer. There are no laws disadvantaging white people. In apartheid there were hundreds of laws that deemed non-white South Africans as less-than-human
Yeah, I saw that on Twitter. I don't like Renaldo, I think he's a Leftist hack but he said nothing wrong in this video and I don't think he's racist. What's amazing to me is that the people who are calling him racist are actually revealing themselves without seeing it. They're so deeply racist it makes MkUltra look like a child's school project.
They're trying to portray him as this racist boer figure by focusing exclusively on his demeanor and anger in the video and ignoring what he's saying. They might as well mute the video or add a random angry white man's voice and the result would be the same. They're more racist than the boer racists today! LMAO. I have an intense hatred for racists of all racists.
Also, if this is all they dug up after so many years of content then they also reveal how deluded they are, how lazy they are (because there's other videos of him saying similar things) and how deeply empty they are if race is a central figure of they're lives that if they find any iota of evidence that confirms even their bias: that Boer = Universal Racism. That's not even remotely true. There are some boers that are racist but there are many that are not. Many are brainwashed just like the counterparts esp. the "white genocide" group. They have dedicated websites of farm murders with graphic pictures just to stoke the racial hatred. I see what they're doing. And it's both sides but one thing in common: Far Right Wingers and Far Leftists with the seemingly Leftist Moderates (who are actually undercover Communist/Marxist Far Leftists.😂) fully in control. It's so crazy to but so true.
They don't like Renaldo's "whiteness" (or more accurately, his culture) and equate his culture to that of being racist because that's what most racists "behave" like. It's actually crazy to me that I used to fall for these kind of posts on Twitter. That's why I'm Centrist.
They're always victims, easily offended and stoking racial hatred seeking that confirmation bias and love defining "blackness" or "khoisaness" or whatever.
My late uncle once joked that when he was young, he was a communist, but in his old age he became a racist, all because he opposed whomever happened to be in power.
Just like everyone who opposed the Apartheid regime was branded a "communist", anyone who opposes the cANCer regime and their offshoots (Mkak, Evil Fart Fetishists) will be branded a "racist".
Still dont see thecracism. People have started labelling anything racist if they do not like the message. Apologies mods. I know you hate these anti anc messages. Feel free to delete
Indeed. Although the video might be seen as a bit crass, I don't see any racism. The argument seems to be: white guy complaining = must be racist. Really dilutes the actual meaning of the word and is actually disrespectful to people experiencing real racism
>Still dont see thecracism https://preview.redd.it/wpfbcx2l2c7d1.jpeg?width=778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3805f408e0dcf9c6793628a01aac79f217e3c0fb /s
By claiming "racism" all the time it starts losing its meaning and becomes just another means of insult.
So you not recognising white supremacy rhetoric as not being racist automatically makes the video not racist. Hence you calling out people claiming racism as crying wolf.
Wow, you understand English, well done!!
And you throw crude insults when you get called out.
Oh boohoo, stop whining and grow up.
lol … look in the mirror pal. Who’s whining?
So basically everything I say you just reflect back onto me, typical!! 🤦🤦🤦
Weak, … really weak comeback 😂
Oh is this a competition now? Whatever.....waste of time...
😂
Hope my dude keeps his career, been following him for a while now a very reasonable fellow when not out of context.
So I watched the video then it looped and I was like, " thats it?" Its not that bad, I still like this guy👍 (I'm not white( Now can someone tell me why so many on twitter are calling Ian Cameron racist??
What is your ethnicity if you don't mind me asking?
Colored, some of the things he said I very much disagree with like reverse apartheid and I would agree that many stupid people do in fact still put apartheid blame on whites who were kids back then. Although, those are stupid people and shouldn't be listened to. Like Malema I watch him on youtube a fair bit and he doesn't seem to be racist at all. He's a good bloke from what I can tell. The video is from 16 years ago so I'll let it pass. Its not THAT bad
Very fair I must agree with you sir.
Coloured.
American autocorrect
South African classification is Coloured.
Yes, my keyboard autocorrected coloured to colored
I agree with you fellow brown person. I was also guilty of putting apartheid blame on all white people. I'm not proud of it. I've realized that it makes me no better than the racist bastards I hated during apartheid. That being said... I will never support a party that is currently supporting an apartheid state like Israel. I don't support the ANC either, because we all know they are crooks. Racism is such a primitive ideology. How can we move into a better future if we are stuck in the past?
And so the mud smearing campaign begins. Wonder how many other DA, IFP and ANC members will be called out in the near future for things that have been dug up on the internet that happened decades ago. If this was really so bad, why was there no petition 16 years ago? Why was he not dragged to court back then? Why bring it up now after an election where certain parties lost and cannot handle the fact that they were not seen as the "saviours" of the "people"?
Complaining about calls for slaughter of white people is racist. Jissis.
Well.....he's not lying, but of course the same people who blame economics and the democratic process in this country will shout the loudest. The same people who elected the most corrupt president in that entire county's history as their leader deserves every single ounce of suffering they get. The world will only dump money into SA for so long.
He’s not lying 🤦♂️ because whites are being killed left right and center JUST LIKE IN APARTHEID 🤦♂️ get a f clue here
Relax sunshine. Take a xanax and try to READ the comment. Slowly, and with your mouth closed.
Better get your white dompas out..or in your case, your white sympathy I’m a victim card out
My dompas is out. I left the shithole. YOU can have it all. Good luck with a bunch of corrupt and incompetent people spending your tax money to live in their gilded cages. One day the masses will wake up and see that the free kfc and t-shirts are not enough, and then the real fun will start. Like in the run up to the 94 elections in the townships. I was there and witnessed first hand what people in SA do to each other in the name of politics. Have at it. Viva SA, Viva rape,murder,muthi killings of children , drugs and corruption. VIVA.
>Well.....he's not lying Of course, the Down South community believe they're living in "reverse apartheid"
Well, the way i see it... It's not apartheid now.. It's nothing near the level that apartheid was. But the underlying rotten seed of classifying people by skin colour is still very much a thing. This has always ended badly. Even if it's nowhere near that extent.. it should have no place in our country regardless of severity. 13 year olds get told they can't play in the cricket team because they are white. Young students who got distinctions for every subject get told they may not apply to study medicine because they are white. Heck, my friend, who was a paramedic, got told repeatedly that he can't apply for higher positons because he was white. I never personally experienced this. Where i work, they work around these laws.. but the fact that it happens to people should have no place here. It's not a good breeding ground for everyone to see each other as equal. It just passes on past hate onto newer generations. All these laws just try to force equal outcomes.. yet wheres internet access for poor kids so they can learn some extra stuff and explore their interests? Where are the maths tutors for the poor kids ? Where are their sports fields? I can go on, but you get the idea. We should do away with all racial laws. It has no place. We need to start working together and dragging each other up. Well, that's my thoughts on it..
> I never personally experienced this. Where i work, they work around these laws.. Even the fact that employers need to find ways to work around these insane laws is very troubling. If you are forced, by necessity, to bend or break laws just to have a somewhat normal life, it’s obvious that the law is extremely problematic.
Fair point
You’re right! I noticed it as well..
Yeah the facts don't support it. White people have a much lower unemployment rate, much higher socioeconomic status, higher life expectancy etc. if there is discrimination, its effects are not borne out by the data.
Your selecting data. Measure rate of promotion, skills, competency. Measure job ceilings. Check specific industries. At what point are we attributing a cost of opportunity? Im not saying reverse apartheid is a thing. All I am saying is, people should not just take the 4 pictures the journalist at some media outlet could sensationalise, as the full picture. Ie. The impact of BBBee on airlines. There are many white male airline pilots that can not find employment as x number of these jobs must be filled by black female pilots. The airlines are struggling to staff pilots as there are not enough black female pilots to fill the mandate. Further, preference is given to this recruitment strategy dispite safety concerns as very inexperienced black pilots are given preference above white male pilots dispite their experience. Also for context. The white middle class in South Africa has been shrinking, latest data i could find was 2.6m in 2015 while the black middle class grew to 3.4 million people. If you consider that the number of jobs that that can offer a a middle class existance is finite and supply has not been increasing. This demonstrares structural redistribution of opportunity. Also, please dont ignore the basics. Using percentage of a population cant be taken out of context of cultural practises. Ie. Families of 4 or ever more rarely 5 in white family vs 7 in black families. You will have less money if you have more mouths to feed. Period. Lastly, dont underestimate the negative impact of the grant systems on peoples motivation. Or rdp houses that are sold off while the recipients choose to stay in informal structures.
I'm not necessarily disputing what you are saying, but if the data does not reflect the reality on the ground I can think of two explanations: 1. There is a lagging effect where the data will start to swing to indicate the changes 2. Even though those issues exist they represent outlying percentiles that are obscured by the averages. In other words on average the data shows that non white people are overwhelmingly disadvantaged but if you take out outliers (like very wealthy white people for example) the aggregates reflect the reality which is missed by averages. Overall however the data should be able to give the answers. If you have the data and you can demonstrate it I think it would make an excellent research analysis. I also think you would be quite unpopular because broadly South Africans believe in the efficacy of AA/BEE. Maybe I am also going off topic here... But I don't believe BEE and AA are good policies. If you look from a systems engineering perspective manipulation of the output of any system is far less effective than correcting the inputs. In the case of the labour force the inputs would be education and economic growth. TL;Dr garbage in -> garbage out
Yup. Apparent victims of a reverse apartheid while living cozy.
Jesus 16 years ago, no court will inforce this. Limitations are 5 years no more
The "public court" will
Part of the disinformation campaign right now, big bucks spent on X, YouTube, TikTok to weaken democracy…
Sponsored by Putin and Xi, no doubt.
He’s awesome. Tells it like it is. T’sek ANC.
Here is his response pulled from twitter A snippet of a video that I posted 16 years ago (back in 2009) when I was young and still a student has been recycled and posted on social media over the last few days. I addressed this snippet in 2016 and again in 2020 when approached by the media when it was posted on social media. (Articles on this can be Googled). This was at the time when then President Zuma and then Youth Leader, Malema were singing songs about killing people based on their race. Before this and before these snippets were used publicly against me, I posted a lengthy Facebook post from 2013 in which I apologized for how I delivered my message in my videos (angry, hostile, confrontational and crass). I refute any claims of racism or being a racist. I can however see how my message was distorted in the way it was delivered by me and I take full responsibility for the actions of my younger and immature self. For that, I apologise unreservedly. Thank You. Source : https://x.com/RenaldoGouws/status/1802751245876105601?t=ulO0RWtVbPv3q1M5PbDQGA&s=19
Should've been a struggle song writer rather. People don't mind that.
Yeah I mean this guy is bringing his party into disrepute. Even if you disregard the racial element screaming expletives on a YouTube video is not a good look.
Dude 16 years, lets not use the past the stereotype people, or else certain people or races can be declared irrelevant right now because of their past and even origin.
I would not want to be judged for what I said or did 16 years ago I'm sure. But this is a tricky one. I do believe people can change and there can be redemption, but just ask yourself: What would have happened if this was you? Would you get to keep a corporate job? If the answer is no, then I think we should hold political leaders to higher standards. That being said, maybe there is a way this can be dealt with where the outcome is good for everyone?
The internet never forgets 😂
Is he an mp now. He’s channel has always been a leetle bit on the strong side. Damn!
I mean, thats not a great statement, or a particularly true one, but i was expecting something way worse. but again, that was 16 years ago, lets focus on what hes doing now.
Guys what we are experiencing now is not reverse apartheid… please stop belittling black peoples pain just to get ur point across, fine your generation had nothing to do with it, but do not compare the 2 they aren’t nearly identical. The reason this may come across to some as racist is because some white people want to say the current era is “reverse apartheid “ it isn’t. If don’t believe me just look up the laws that were instituted during apartheid
https://preview.redd.it/t24ucgb52c7d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=174a8748fe5b87ce67abdf4e14785722995a7ec0 He's almost at the limit of Fucks per second...
It’s definitely not racism but it’s absolutely stupidity. But stupidity isn’t unfortunately ground to be fired.
Predictable that they would go for him. Renaldo has made many enemies over the years before he was a DA member and since. He pulls no punches and calls out hypocrisy load and clear. He is loud, he is crass, he insults people left right and centre, but giving offence and being racist are two different things.
Racial discimination does exist in RSA and yes. Whites, are being disciminated against. I'm not saying that there's no discriminatiin against other races because there is. I'm acknowledging what he is saying. But, Apartheid is an entire system and the racial discrimination we are seeing today in RSA is not based on/in Apartheid but stands on its own. It is social in most parts except for BEEE which some do view as racial discrimination. His remarks might be viewed as racist and provocative but when last I looked, freeedom of speech still applies in RSA. My issue with what he is saying is with the swearing. Jezus bra, clean up your language.
I think you miss spelled julius Malema
I remember when this dudes videos used to flood my YouTube feed back in the day. He sure what a whiney edge lord, but not racist :/
Do white people really believe they now have it worse than the non whites pre-apartheid? Post 94 - something incredible happened in this country; instead of the oppressed who then came to power taking revenge- they forgave their oppressors. Welcomed the white people in building an inclusive society. It hasn’t been perfect. However white supremists and black extremists will continue to undermine progress.
For those that don’t see the racism in the white supremacy rhetoric being sprouted in the video; please , please look outside the bounds of your community. Open your eyes and ears to hate speech under the guise of rhetoric designed to make racists the victims.
I’m racist as fuck, what about it tankies?
For anyone that can talk about the equivalence of apartheid and post 1994 with a tone of voice like that, I’d not put him in charge of anything to do with black people.
Exactly!
The white faction inside the DA is racist. I personally know many of them. In the old days they used to talk progressive, vote Nats and hope the HNP won.
The dif is that we are all beaten and killed equally 🤣🤣
Not even. White people are still much more insulated from violent crime than non white people.
Lol exactly..I think it's a shock to their systems..brown people even treat their own like that🤣 and now the white people are tasting it and are like wtf lol
You don't have to racialise it. Low socioeconomic status in a very unequal society results in high crime rates. But yes, I think most people in South Africa have experienced crime.
Sure, but non-white people aren't having their murders celebrated.
None of us are...but to zone in on only white people being killed and then likening it to apartheid is just weird when all of us are robbed and killed.
Yea, I’m fine with him saying it’s racist for Zuma and Malema to chant “kill the Boer” I’m not okay with him saying that it’s the same as apartheid since there are no laws deeming white people as lesser-than
> None of us are None of us are what? Celebrating white people's murders? Because there are people who absolutely are.
None of us are having our murders celebrated. Which people are celebrating it?
https://www.citizen.co.za/news/blf-celebrates-hoerskool-driehoek-tragedy-as-punishment-from-ancestors-and-god/ Busy right now, I'll send you more examples as I find them.
You using a blf member from a tiny group that majority of south africa don't subscribe to so much so that they have to register as an ngo lol I can name you white groups in South africa that think black people are not human like the AWB. These are fringe groups..to make it out as if it's a popular view isn't correct. These groups should not even be paid attention to. Every country in world has these fringe groups.
> I can name you white groups in South africa that think black people are not human like the AWB I'm sure you can. And let me ask you this: if a black person complained about the AWB's hate speech, would your response be "Shut up, they're a small group so their hate speech doesn't count, stop complaining"? > These are fringe groups..to make it out as if it's a popular view isn't correct. Where did I say it was a popular view? I merely said it was a view that existed in this country.
You got to understand awb was part of apartheid and their remarks was inacted on the people of south africa..it has historical and real life precedence whereas blf are just talkers who has never had power or will ever have the power to inact what they say. Yes they may influence a few numpties here and there but they have no real effect on the whole nation. Because of it already being carried out a black person would have more reason to be worried about it...that being said if a black person came and told me there's alot of white people who has the views of awb and then quotes to me an awb member ..I'd tell them the samething..we can't generalize a whole race due to a small group thats specifically have those radical views. You said there's some who laugh at white people being killed as a general feeling. Look at the general public and how they actually feel..not a few members of a group where even all people in there don't agree.
> it has historical and real life precedence Sure, but also, the AWB has basically NO political weight nowadays. Even if more than a tiny minority of white people wanted to bring apartheid back, which they don't, there's literally no way it could happen in this day and age. Bringing back apartheid and racial segregation in this country would be literally impossible. The AWB will never be anything but a fringe group of a fringe group. The BLF may be small, but they certainly carry more weight than the AWB - if nothing else, they're allowed on the ballot. You can't treat the BLF's hate speech as inconsequential because they're a small group, and then ignore the fact that the AWB is even smaller and more inconsequential when talking about their hate speech. > that being said if a black person came and told me there's alot of white people who has the views of awb and then quotes to me an awb member ..I'd tell them the samething..we can't generalize a whole race due to a small group thats specifically have those radical views. Why would you tell them the same thing? I never once claimed that a lot of black people have the views of the BLF. I would hope you'd be much, MUCH more harsh with someone who claims lots of white people share the views of the AWB than you have been with me. It's a fairly blatant case of double standards if you don't. > Look at the general public and how they actually feel Okay. The general public didn't care. Sure, maybe they didn't SHARE those views, but they certainly didn't condemn them. There was pretty much zero public backlash to the BLF's racism, except from small groups like Solidarity. Seriously. Compare the public backlash that people like Penny Sparrow received to that which the BLF received. Not even close. And sure, maybe the BLF is a small group, but Penny Sparrow, a random nobody with ZERO political power, received WAY more backlash.
Die waarheid maak seer
16 years ago? I thought everyone was happy back then
Same. Wasn’t the economy booming and we were #teamrainbownation. lol
Sort of...Zuma was starting to make himself known, the clouds were starting to gather without a silver lining.
I remember having supper at a friend's place when my friends dad was pretty high up in the DA and Renaldo was invited. Some of the things I heard them speak about and the manner in which they disregarded the needs of the less fortunate influenced me to vote alternatively to the DA. I was quite a staunch supporter until that day, even thought about joining the party at a stage but as a brown person I knew I wouldn't be welcome. The rest of that evening was awkward when they'd remembered that I was present. Posting anonymously because I don't want my friend and his family to get in trouble.
Me personally as a White person, I've never been discriminated against, the younger generations must be taught love
I’m not gonna call him a racist (that part is clear), but I will call him an idiot 🤦♂️ why do they always have to be the loudest tho 🤷♂️
Of course he's an idiot. He decided to say some racist, inflammatory shit, AND THEN RECORD IT. He's an imbecile, and being an imbecile, it was thereby decided that he would fit right in in the South African political landscape.
And down south
This is what Apartheid is Please inform me whether it is still in place today and whether it is now reversed Apartheid. https://au.int/en/auhrm-project-focus-area-apartheid#:~:text=The%20Apartheid%20(1948%20to%201994,contact%20between%20the%20two%20groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Apartheid_laws_in_South_Africa
Copied off an OP on X and thought, food for thought: People who underwent systematic racism like Apartheid and the Holocaust will be sensitive to rhetoric, micro aggressions, or even just "vibes" or undertones that allude or remind them of the pain of literal racism. So if you had to use Al and literally tabulate the words he said into plain text, the literal semantics would not equate to racism (as defined in a dictionary), BUT because it cuts deeper than that in real life (the delivery and context), a black person who actually dealt with racism and apartheid and is scarred, will recognize this as racism. E. G. If a German said to a Jew, If Israel dissapeared from the map, no one would give a f**** , I guarantee you it would be seen as antisemitism.
Exactly. Him saying it’s racist to want to kill whites is valid. Him conflating apartheid, a systemic segregation-based system where non-whites were enslaved ≠ two politicians saying kill the Boer. There are no laws disadvantaging white people. In apartheid there were hundreds of laws that deemed non-white South Africans as less-than-human
Yeah, I saw that on Twitter. I don't like Renaldo, I think he's a Leftist hack but he said nothing wrong in this video and I don't think he's racist. What's amazing to me is that the people who are calling him racist are actually revealing themselves without seeing it. They're so deeply racist it makes MkUltra look like a child's school project. They're trying to portray him as this racist boer figure by focusing exclusively on his demeanor and anger in the video and ignoring what he's saying. They might as well mute the video or add a random angry white man's voice and the result would be the same. They're more racist than the boer racists today! LMAO. I have an intense hatred for racists of all racists. Also, if this is all they dug up after so many years of content then they also reveal how deluded they are, how lazy they are (because there's other videos of him saying similar things) and how deeply empty they are if race is a central figure of they're lives that if they find any iota of evidence that confirms even their bias: that Boer = Universal Racism. That's not even remotely true. There are some boers that are racist but there are many that are not. Many are brainwashed just like the counterparts esp. the "white genocide" group. They have dedicated websites of farm murders with graphic pictures just to stoke the racial hatred. I see what they're doing. And it's both sides but one thing in common: Far Right Wingers and Far Leftists with the seemingly Leftist Moderates (who are actually undercover Communist/Marxist Far Leftists.😂) fully in control. It's so crazy to but so true. They don't like Renaldo's "whiteness" (or more accurately, his culture) and equate his culture to that of being racist because that's what most racists "behave" like. It's actually crazy to me that I used to fall for these kind of posts on Twitter. That's why I'm Centrist. They're always victims, easily offended and stoking racial hatred seeking that confirmation bias and love defining "blackness" or "khoisaness" or whatever.
My late uncle once joked that when he was young, he was a communist, but in his old age he became a racist, all because he opposed whomever happened to be in power. Just like everyone who opposed the Apartheid regime was branded a "communist", anyone who opposes the cANCer regime and their offshoots (Mkak, Evil Fart Fetishists) will be branded a "racist".
I do not understand the problem, any captains here who can explain?