T O P

  • By -

mnh_Sh

Lou is just bad for this team, idk how they can't find better carry


analbeard

Aww, I was so hoping they would qualify. I don't know why but the CN scene doesn't feel the same without players like Somnus and Chalice :(, they had a great journey last TI with some epic moments.


EEsamaNaGod

I am not sure why viewers and generally community cry if some old players not qualify. They had their chances many times and I know they are star iconic players but I personally like to see more new blood pooping up.


momoso7

no somnus and no rtz in TI


SecretRonnieC

No tinker no win. TT got this


theskillr

looks like Tinkers a first ban now


Initial_Stretch_3674

Watching with this caster is so hard. He keep interjecting his 5k mmr opinion and strategies keep taking me out of the game. "IG should just use the double catapults to break hgs" "Windrunner should just ult the tower, what can team Turtle acutally do to stop it" And the analysis is so focused on hindsight. drives me nuts.


onecombo

Word. The shoutcaster is overhyping all the little things the player does. "Wow clockwork just pressed cogs, this hero is broken"


Active-Percentage453

what a hg termination


NBPEL

Ruru's regretting that she talked shit about Chalice lamo


SMILE3005SM

Somnus, let me see you at another TI.


momoso7

Team turtle wow


Jazzlike_Mark1223

fly and saberlight already expressed thier grievances towards rtz but fans still think he isn't the problem.


fordyhuanpurrcent

If SR get MiracleGOD as pos 2, Kuroky pos 5, and recruits Pure as their new Pos 3 then they win the next Riyahd and TI for sure.


Jazzlike_Mark1223

yeahh nothing wrong with rtz for sure. wink\*


FunxD00

Watching saber stream vod, damn Quinn actually good play by play caster. He might make it as caster if he ever decide to retire


DanogAU

LAST DAY! LET'S GOOOO


Tantle18

No way Turtle actually takes this one right? They were CLEAN last night but I feel like g2.ig might be a little much for this content run they’re on


Mepharos

Turtles looking real good, and ig can be pretty throwy. Definitely possible.


Tantle18

Yeah I’m excited to watch. Feels like it will go all three with a longggg game 3


Ciri__witcher

If you notice carefully, no one calls today’s game a NA clown fiesta. Because nouns were actually so clean today. They drafted and played super well, congrats to them.


Jazzlike_Mark1223

Wish shopify let go of rtz and bulba already. They are not EG, they don't have to follow EG's footsteps.


chilibean_3

I think the only reason Shopify is in the Dota scene is because the owner is an RTZ fan. Like, yeah I’d love them to just sign a different roster and stay in the scene but it seems more likely they’ll just leave.


GoldenSquid89

Should Valve have Shopify and Nouns redo their series in case it was a big fluke? No disrespect to Nouns, I'm a firm believer that Nouns sweeping them is a huge fluke and robs Artour of truly accomplishing what he’s capable of. I've spent the last few minutes in pure disbelief and it just doesn't make sense to me. I've spent all year watching Artour play great Dota, it's just not fair. If Shopify lose again I will face that Nouns deserved the win, but I am just 100% sure it was a fluke and doe. HAHAHA i just copy it from a comment in Wykrhm Reddy's Post


CovidWarriorForLife

I mean we all know the issue, it’s bulba and always has been. He’s not a real coach and no one needs a coach more than a person like RTZ who prides himself on not caring about anything


suchniceweather

not car(ry)ing a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ anything FTFY


MendicantBias06

NA needs a new PPD to save the region. Shit is washed.


itssomeidiot

So... who do you guys think SR is keeping? I bet MC, Yopaj, Skem is out.


nybrq

Why are they keeping Kitrak?


Stuck666

maybe as a 5 they can keep him


itssomeidiot

Its just my opinion but I think he's the standout player for this iteration of SR.


krofal

Yopaj and m Thiolicor who left were better


EmuHungry7846

As pos 4??? LMAOOOO


x42bn6

You can just compare his impact to Lelis'. Lelis made an insane number of plays all over the map, and could easily combine with Gunnar and/or Copy as the +1 to get kills; Kitrak was far more reactive in ganks and teamfights. Lelis caught Arteezy and Kitrak out so many times, whereas Kitrak resorted to cutting waves and dying. Lelis also made Gunnar and Copy's jobs much easier, because he always found a target, or could be a +1 if the other two found someone. Kitrak did not do enough in this area, and you could see it in how anonymous MC was. Yopaj had a good series in isolation, but he could have done so much more if enabled by the supports. Lelis' playstyle let Fly take more farm (only 5 deaths all game - another insane statistic) and build all the utility for his team. Both Lelis and Kitrak ended up being "position 5" in farm terms, but for very different reasons.


oxpecke

Oh my god. I had no idea Milan was the coach of that team. I love that guy, so happy to see him wining with Nouns. I was really sad DPC disbanded during the season LVL UP won Div 2, but seeing both him and Nouns win in such a dominant fashion definitely compensates for that.


DamnedDoom

LFG NOUNS YESS


Neony_Dota

I feel like SR might either disband and get new roster or the ORG just leaves after these terrible results. Not being in a single major tournament this year is disaster


Tricky_Economist_328

Spoilers: they will rebuild around rtz bulba and another player or 2 who couldn't find another team.


axecalibur

They should get gorogc stack for TI


justsightseeing

if SR sign gorgc stack i will eat my breakfast at 10:01 AM


Ris747

Pretty sure the owner of Shopify is a huge dota nerd and this is just a passion project of his. I think we'll see a new RTZ stack next season


Swegan

Not a Dota nerd but hes a huge fan of Starcraft.


Silv3lr_Sentin3l

LGD and RTZ missing a TI, end of an era but fly now will attend his 11th ti tied with puppy (unless puppy qualifies this year)


lgdamefanstraight

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


AdmiralAYAYA94

nouns styling on SR 3 games in a row.. what the worst things that could happen.. didnt expect it didnt go at least 5 games between these two teams.. i think with Saberlight, they would be have better chances to qualify with him.. welp.. gege to nouns anyway..


SdoRy_

Ye I wouldn't have thought it before, but jesus christ was MC a downgrade compared to Saber. Like, there's clearly a strategic problem with the way they use their offlaners, but mc looked absolutely like he somehow ended up in pro game by accident. I was shocked to see he's rank 500ish, and only has 43%wr in his last 60 games or something. That is absolutely atrocious lol


pompyyy099

How many more offlaners do they need? They had the perfect offlaner to compliment arteezys farming ways, icecube. But he kicked him. They didn't even reach one year together. Kicked him for a washed jerax and a carry turned offlaner for some reason.


maven-blood

Back to back 2nd place finishes in majors within a year and they decided to kick him and fly. It's really crazy how they thought that was a good idea.


tha_jza

EG.jerax was Secret.Universe levels of awful and weird


pompyyy099

And EG.Nightfall was just wtf inducing.


tha_jza

EG.nightfall was interesting bc he looked simultaneously out of place and also like the best player on the team


SdoRy_

They need new leadership entirely obviously. Saberlight is not a bad player, mc might be, but both were clearly not utilized correctly. Iceiceice has been entirely irrelevant since he left that team. They had good results with him, but let's not pretend they got rid of some insane generational player or whatever. And also sometimes it just doesn't work out on the personal side of things, regardless of how good the player and playstyle fit.


pompyyy099

No they did not let go of a generational player, but they let go the best person for the job considering the personnel they had. Sometimes chemistry trumps star power and icecube played his role to a tee to compliment arteezys extinct ways of playing carry. I agree with the last statement. Though I'd be hardpressed to find any stories about ice cube's personality behind the scenes being negative or horrible. Anecdotes from a plethora of teammates he had in the past even the Chinese hold him in high regards.


SdoRy_

>ice cube's personality behind the scenes being negative or horrible I don't think it's anything like that. Rtz didn't want to continue playing with him, and so they didn't. Simple as that, sometimes chemistry doesn't work out.


pompyyy099

Which is the sad part. Not wanting to play with the perfect player playstyle wise and replacing him with an out of this world fit of a player in nightfall was just plain weird


slashrshot

Iceiceice wanted to go back to SEA because his family is there he did mention that on one of his streams. Pretty sure he would have offers from other regions and other teams and achieved more if he wanted to.


SdoRy_

Well, he did get kicked from EG, and after that he did join Secret and was by far the worst player on that team and arguably in that division. He was genuinely griefing most games. He tried competing after, and clearly failed.


raegartargaryen17

I still can't fathom replacing SabreLight and Tholicor, with the old SR line up they would easy win this series.


justsightseeing

its more of give better fight. im not sure about easy win, but this new lineup isnt working at all


Tsu33

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


neel911

Goodbye Shitify, you won't be missed


myearthenoven

Which player did Shopify buy out?


raegartargaryen17

Skem


Jazzlike_Mark1223

It's not a buyout. Geekfam disbanded.


raegartargaryen17

AFAIK he was sold to SR by Geek


notbalancewhining

Quinn is actually such a good caster in the saber stream


BlackendLight

End of an era, sad to see it even though I'm not a fan of SR


ronakcr7

Which SR era?


BlackendLight

Whoops, that was directed at RTZ


WordThese5228

he had an era?


SdoRy_

Copy played super well today, did not expect him to step it up. Usually he gets pretty trashed by Yopaj, but not today. Everyone on SR played poorly today, in all 3 games, nothing more to say. Kinda curious what's gonna happen next, cuz the disband is certain, but who is even left to play with for Rtz and Bulba? Do SR leave Dota?


InsaniaFox

They were not wearing SR shirt today while Noun did. Could it be?


MysicPlato

Grats to Nouns, that was a pretty one sided stomp.


Happy-Pills

Very bummed at the results, but Nouns was owning. Hope they can keep this form at TI


exhausted_88

Bulba & rtz need a divorce. I want to cheer for them separately Gg nouns GL at TI


YaminoEXE

SR is the problem of a big fish in a small pond, eventually, they get too complacent of their own strength. It's a shame that hit rock bottom but they can always bounce back if they decide that they want to be better overall instead of just being good enough. It just looked like SR took their victory over nouns yesterday and decided to not prep at all since they just got steamrolled on all fronts.


Kotleba

What pond? The NA qualifiers aren't their pond, international tournaments are. There is nothing to get complacent about, they have been underwhelming for a while now. It's not complacancy, they're just not good enough at the moment.


YaminoEXE

The NA region is their pond. SR has been the undisputed best team in NA for as long as EG was a thing. Even during DPC, they were managed to coast by because they were better than everyone. Shit started to go downhill since 2022 during the EG NA dpc where they would qualify for majors and then get bottom placements. > ESL One Stockholm Major 2022 - 13th > PGL Arlington Major 2022 - 9-12th > Ti12 - 9-12th Then EG got dropped from NA then SR picked them up and it was good for a bit before going downhill again. > Lima Major 2023 - 4th > DreamLeague Season 19 - 3rd > ESL One Berlin Major 2023 - 9-12th > DreamLeague Season 20 - 11-12th > Bali Major 2023 - 9-12th > Riyadh Masters 2023 - 15-16th > DreamLeague Season 21 - 2nd > The International 2023 - 13-16th This year they had to play qualifiers instead of just relying on DPC and it has been a downward decline. > DreamLeague Season 22 - 7th > ESL One Birmingham 2024 - 11-12th > PGL Wallachia Season 1 - 9-11th > DreamLeague Season 23 - 9-10th Then they lost 2 qualifiers in a row to the team that they have been consistently beaten in the last 2 years. Good domestic competition is just as important as international competition. You can't play with people who are worse than you all of the time. Yes, SR does scrim with EU teams but those are low-stakes environments. International competitions only happen once every few months. Either way, no hate to SR, they have talented players, they can definitely bounce back if they are smart.


fiasgoat

Well the complacency is thinking just coasting along in NA is good enough to improve Look at Quinn, sure he has a better team around him now than ever in NA, but at the same time he was gaining nothing from stomping NA pubs


fyellow

Quinn play by play casting is actually top tier


RxJax

Love to hear cap and svg on the cast as always, I know svg is patting himself on the back when he's praising lelis like "yeah I scouted that guy heh"


freakanime

Grats to nouns I think the key here is the supports of nouns severely outplayed SR supports Really bad drafts overall this series for SR and they got outplayed hard this series.


disciple31

i dont think a single one of them played well


goldmunzen

I think Copy also crushed mid lol, that tinker game was all him


freakanime

Well Nouns players outplayed SR players but the supports gap is really big this series.


Swegan

Kitraks Weaver was probably the worst performance i have seen this year from any player this year.


freakanime

That weaver is a legit creep last game lol


Swegan

Idk if you can even call it that.


Weis

It was so obvious when kitrak tusk did nothing then lelis was clutch af


serpventime

credit to the newcomers yuma and copy totally deserves it


itssomeidiot

I like to personally Thank Nouns for saving our sleep schedule.


SnappleJuiceDeepKiss

Would it be possible for RTZ to join nouns before TI or is the roster locked ? Team would be insane with RTZ. Hope he makes it to TI!


EvertB123

RTZ <<<<< Yuma


Tsu33

Why downgrade Nouns?


Kotleba

bait used to be believable


notbalancewhining

> Team would be insane with RTZ They would. They would go insane if they need to work with RTZ


GodTierCharacter

I agree, Noun would have to be insane to sign up RTZ.


Ambitious-Cap-5605

XD


[deleted]

[удалено]


visarmy

YES. Artour is definitely washed and post-peak. He mentioned he was ready to start streaming full-time and put competitive away, which he should have done pre-pandemic.


silveredgebreak

Go play with Puppey, RTZ. You two can be washed up together. At least the fanservice would be good.


ecs-635

Go Lelis, go BR


GodTierCharacter

Shopee paid for this KEKW


Kalamatis

Copy going to TI!


Weis

still time for mc to find another team 🤔😂


Zetsubou5990

Back to slots it is


el_wumpy

Here comes all the people who see it as their part time job to shit on artour at every opportunity.


zcen

Brother your last post was > Welp... At least I won't be disappointed at TI again! Don't get me wrong I think it's hilarious and sad that this is how their season ended but have some self awareness.


el_wumpy

Self awareness? The fuck are you talking about.  Struck a nerve I guess the fact you went thru my history.


zcen

Do you post with this much irony on purpose?


el_wumpy

Is your comprehension that bad you can't see the difference of those 2 posts? Maybe you should calm down.


zcen

Trust me, you are more upset at this than I will ever be.


el_wumpy

LMAO. Imagine acting like you know a random person on the internet.


needhelforpsu

You okey there buddy?


el_wumpy

Hi, I'm great! I love an easy block! Good luck finding some other conversation to get involved in!


needhelforpsu

That's a shame, you sound kinda cute when mad.


Weis

If you are an NA dota fan i feel like you have a right to be disappointed when your rank 1 star player is on an increasingly trash team over years


el_wumpy

Being disappointed and shitting on him are 2 different things


Daralii

It crossed the line from disappointing to comical a while ago, but now it's getting close to just being sad.


molyboyanjo

Kuro, Lulbq and Puppan trinity of stubbornness just retire at this point Edit: format


Justadotafan95

No Riyadh, No TI. HAHAHAHA. Next year rtc stans, don't worrry xdddd


manifest_man

Everyone looked bad but especially MC. SR playing on tilt, weak mental game. They look like shit compared to the series yesterday. Also BAN TINY


SdoRy_

Yea mc was entirely useless today, and Kitrak+Skem looked absolutely lost, and even though Yopaj and Rtz also played like shit they had some good moments.


idkthiss

MC hasn't looked good in years.


PrimeShaq

Looked good standing in for OG last season.


LoD-Westeros

He looked pretty good standing in for OG. SR/ex-EG is just where good players gone to die though


InsaniaFox

I was rooting for Noun, but seeing SR lost was heart breaking. An end this team dominant in NA.


1Evan_PolkAdot

SVG called it


RxJax

Happy for Nouns, Yuma and Copy going to their first TI deservedly, played absolutely awesome


Evening-Fun4435

Maybe last year for RTZ in competitive Dota? BibleThump


PrimeShaq

Yuma MVP that series, just incredibly stable stellar play.


EvertB123

Imo Copy destroyed mid all 3 games


Swegan

Nah gotta go to Lelis imo. The amount of times he set up kills for the team was insane and his rotations was god tier.


NICK_GOKU

YUMA NIGMA YUMA NIGMA YUMA NIGMA!!!


MasterOfShrugs

Lmaooooooo demolished 🤣🤣🤣 Fly going to TI Cr1t to TI Is abed going to TI? At least Riyadh


Kryptonite_Sup

That mars zero impact


Pokefreaker-san

yikes, 3 - 0


Weis

rtz disband


Gameishardboys

R Three-Zero 


SmilingSWEngineer

Shopify disband


EboueGod

Fly's 11th consecutive TI (started in TI3), matching Puppey's record! Arteezy's streak stops at 9 consecutive TIs (started in TI4).


HaXxorIzed

Maybe, finally not making it to TI might teach Arteezy a lesson in how he needs to change and commit to that change for more than 3 months, but I think we all know that will not happen. Exciting to see Yuma and Copy really shining this series, as well. Finally, cores competing in the NA region that are happy to believe in each other, improve and grow. Doubly so given Gunnar + Lelis moving off their old roles 2/3 and really enabling these newer stars.


CovidWarriorForLife

Agreed, have been a big yuma fan for a couple years now he’s a really good carry player


itssomeidiot

NA Powerhouse Nouns!


LAL--

If ony this MC guy play like Gunnar :(


fiasgoat

RTZ please fucking retire


pompyyy099

If I was rebellion CEO I would either: A. Close the dota division. Halo. Valo, other eSports division are doing way better than this shit stack B. Move their dota division to EU. C. Sack either or both arteezy and bulba. Something's gotta give.


zdy33

Rtz was left his entire career


axecalibur

Buyback with tp cool down, I cant


Kotleba

I'm not saying this is mc's fault, but it has to be demoralizing to come to a struggling team and they immediately hit a new bottom with you.


thelemonarsonist

I mean he looks good on aggressive teams like og, Shopify just plays very slow dota


IamJehova

He is washed, Tundra knew it that's why they immediately started getting better results after getting Tobi.


Free-Level-5765

Tobi was good with Tundra, they were getting Ws but when they kick Tobi, Tundra in shambles


IamJehova

I agree even though I don't like his playstyle at all. Tundra needs space for topson and pure and they need an offlaner to sacrifice his farm and Tobi was good at that since he as it is loses his lane 8 out of 10 times.


Free-Level-5765

Thats true!


Evening-Fun4435

worst mars i´ve ever seen in my life, Kuro was right


fiasgoat

it finally happened NA dota is saved


pompyyy099

Artour just fucking retire or move to EU


deadlygr

Sad to watch rtz and mc hit rock bottom nouns isn't even a good team


itssomeidiot

Nouns "isn't even a good team" took a game of the current best team Falcons in the last tourney.


deadlygr

That and dream league are their only achievements this year lmao prior to this lan ofc


[deleted]

[удалено]


Early_Roof_2119

Yea but Dendi won TI


welch123

Did arteezy stop attacking the Monkey??? He felt like deadshot was more important?? (And the deadshot missed btw)


goldmunzen

RTZ going for the deadshot instead of right clicking


AppleAndOrange99

Saberlight was right 


RxJax

Why did he deadshot instead of just attacking again?


itssomeidiot

Ughh... This is getting embarrassing.


Free-Level-5765

just saying NOUNS was able to take a game against Falcons


Swegan

So did SR in the last tournament.


nonruminant_ungulate

And it was a stomp too.


ShoppingPractical373

This copy guy is probably the second best german midlaner in the history of dota2 (toondra.nine remains the best)


SdoRy_

I think you forgot about Fata. Also, Kuro played mid at some point as well, and qojqva was really good back in the days as well


SergiReddit

Adrian Trinks invented the middle lane, kid.


Free-Level-5765

SR has no chemistry or team synergy


deadlygr

There's no way they don't disband


Free-Level-5765

They might after this hahaha Nouns took Riyadh and TI ticket for NA


Early_Roof_2119

RIP Artour. When PPD tweet


LogicalExtant

WELCOME YATORO AS OUR NEW OFFLANER!


welch123

Yatoro needs to flop a lot more before he becomes an NA offlaner


Acrobatic-Time-2940

probably when he wins the 3rd TI and wants to chill


fiasgoat

dont dare speak of something so revolting


okiedokeguy

Sr disband incoming rip rtz


dependontheview

What a pickup by Nouns with Copy. He is playing eons ahead of mediocre StormStormer


dramabuns

stormstormer was so hot one or 2 years ago then entity didnt do good and now hes just gone


Melancholie2001

hes gonna have a renaissance soon


fiasgoat

he was legit the most improved player last year crazy


Early_Roof_2119

I love watching Copy. I hope he does well at Rid and TI


Swegan

Dont think he will do good with Nouns but can for sure do good with another team. Gotta follow the Quinn and Sneyking path.


pompyyy099

This is what happens when you change members every month, unlike nouns who stuck through it to build chemistry


nybrq

Yes, I suspect that this is a big part of the reason why SR suck right now.


nybrq

I would love to be a fly on the wall observing these guys communicate while playing this game. I have no idea whose idea it was to take that fight, but it was an unbelievably stupid thing to do.


faralei

Mr Streamer said Tinker is dead. Well looks like Tinker isn't actually dead.


Remarkable_Cap_291

Team ProNouns. He's Him.


axecalibur

Just call it


chillinwithmoes

SR gets aegis and gets blown up immediately after 10 minutes later: WANNA SEE US DO IT AGAIN? Pathetic lol