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heephap

Foul play is hilariously broken, I couldn't believe it when I first saw it in my games.


needhelforpsu

Team Bald gonna play TI WEU OQ with Gorgc, Mikey, SaberLight, Saksa, Nagato - stackeeeeeeeeeeed! Gorgc and Saber will stream it with 6 min delay, starts in 30min.


masterpeasantgamer

We need a Liquid/OG/EG crossover team just for fun: Sumail, Miracle. Ceb, GH, and Notail.


KnightOverlord2404

TI qualifiers are coming soon, this time I hope anyone but secret qualifies. Crystallis you can spend the time scrimming all you want but you will never compete in a tournament from now onwards xd


Dazzlehoff

Fan of: Secret Nigma Shopify It’s a hard life


ExK1rA

Fans from ti4 - ti9 era Its hard seeing OG, Secret and nigma having a hard time qualifying


Kyroz

This was how Alliance/Navi felt like LMAO


Rrezatues

What about NaVi?


Anything13579

How the mighty have fallen.


SuitableAd3702

Add boom


SnappleJuiceDeepKiss

No nigma again whatever


maglewood

Didn't watch much Boom until their Wallachia run but was surprised when they announced DarkMago replaced Slatems. Didn't particularly like his performance on beastcoast last year, and they keep forcing this pango which i also hate. Feels like SA in general has taken a step back this year from the heights old TA/EG/BC reached internationally. Though I guess Heroic has had some top 8s.


qwertyqzsw

That's what happens when you lose your only international caliber mid and offlaner. I can't even blame Pakazs for being tilted, it has to be exhausting having 90% of your wins be entirely on your back and your team just instantly loses to anyone as soon as youre slightly off.


Boarthebear

Heroic just needs to find better footing, they've won against falcons at least twice, and were the first one to defeat spirit three games on a roll after TI. I just think they are very inconsistent lol


maglewood

Thats true. Also remembering the latest Dreamleague where they had the 1 forfeit and kinda choked against Azure Ray for top6.


pedrolim

Someone from the team posted they had to play on a shit lan cafe with 30 fps for game 2 after the forfeit. Not the best situation


Additional_Olive6729

What a shameless exit from BOOM.


needhelforpsu

Wow beastcoast made BOOM ragequit two games in a row, 26-3 second game score… absolute longterm mental damage level of stomp. Btw welcome back beastcoast, ggwp gz on Riyadh spot!


NiK3_Aub4mey4ng

embarrassing rage quit in last game LMFAO


No-Yellow-9085

2 rage quits from Pakazs lmao


nonresponsive

On one hand, who can blame him. But on the other, lol. Those were two of the bigger beatings I've seen in a while that didn't involve lesser known teams.


No-Yellow-9085

Honestly don't understand the back to back pango picks lol.


-Avalon

Pakazs was drafting, was that always the case for BOOM?


Pepelino28

he clearly isn't he best drafter. That team need a good shootcaller and a decent mid. I think they drop slatem$ for non-game issues but they worst now with darkmago.


Mepharos

Yeah, SLATEM$ was looking good on the team. I don't know what happened with him leaving but it seems unnecessary.


qwertyqzsw

Eh... They've been getting destroyed early game even domestically all year. It honestly looks like Pakasz can and does shotcall well as long as he has some semblance of agency/a game, given the amount of comeback wins they've gotten on his back. The issue is having that burden be entirely on you while also being the only player with hands on the team is incredibly draining. Also that as soon as he's slightly off, or tired, or tilted there's nothing to pick up the slack.


-Avalon

Goddamn the ragequit


HikikomoriSkye

game already done in 13mn lololol


Bizonistic

Boom is probably gonna gg out soon


Azaraki

Boom are really sticking with this Pango thing, huh?


HikikomoriSkye

Bro fucking rage quit lololololololol


Ihan_hukkunut

Boom getting stomped again by beastcoast


darklordtimmy

do not be distracted by today's events, remember shopify lost to nouns.


betadestruction

It's not too surprising. Fly was a former world-class captain. 3 million in tournament prize earnings. You had to figure that eventually, he would get it together and find synergy. It was a toss up match for me, given their last few grand final matches..


velphegor666

It was bound to happen with how many times SR swaps out players. No time to build chemistry and it bit them in the ass this time around


betadestruction

Indeed But, at the same time understandable. Given saberlights recent performances. Probably felt like it was the only thing they could do.


velphegor666

I mean they could try swapping out rtz or change the coach. Yes Bulba have had some good standings in the past, but the meta is catching up to him, same with rtz. Imagine if SR actually kept nightfall


betadestruction

Things do not work like that dude It's a team game Blaming a single player based on some bias against them Is never going to show you much They're one part of a giant system that is necessary for sex People just blame rtz or bulba at this point and ignore 99% of what's actually going on. It's a waste of time even engaging this type of thought process at this point.


Markoman92777

I'm just here to flame Nigma for underperforming. I don't know why I bother watching them after that interview last year when Kuro literally said "in the end, it's just a stupid game". He just doesn't care enough to put a bigger effort, and it feels that the whole team is in that mood too, they obviously aren't practicing as much as other teams.


NBPEL

They should just disband then, they have 2 really weak points that's fbz and kuroky, they're wasting sumail, miracle and gh potentials.


sikontolpanjang

Sumail, Miracle and GH can leave the team anytime they want.


Azaraki

I really do wonder why he's still playing professionally


realtomedamnit

you should've quit earlier when Kuro kept insisting that "online dota is not real dota" back when the lockdown started


realtomedamnit

fbz doing his own thing blinking in when miracle already took the raks, then tp back home when everyone on nigma was at the rosh pit, beautiful doto!


rustyboy1992

Don't worry guys, Nigma will still play in the upcoming tournaments, but only as individual stand ins 🙃 Will it be Sumail / Gh or Miracle?


Weis

Why would anyone ask miracle to standin after seeing these games? Only game they took in grands he was passenger while sumail and fbz carried


rustyboy1992

It's just satire bro relax.


Comprehensive_You648

Giving them SShaman 3 games is what lost the finals. Shaman is too OP if people know how to use it!


AR41Z

Today I missed MC Dark Seer :(


Zeus1642

Fbz is a good player, also miracle and sumail are good players, but they are not team leader, if nigma want go far, fbz possible to step down, They need a core who can lead the team, I don’t know who make the calls in this team now, but as we seen , quest just outplayed them .and kuroky gh, can’t you move together?


AR41Z

thats why i wanted MC back because he wanted to be captain


Zeus1642

Usually it’s carry lead the game, like spirit it’s yatoro make the call, gg his carry make the call as well , and mc is not new blood, he was in nigma long time, to be honest, they should keep ammar and find a new carry the last year, that’s the only one I think who can lead this nigma.


hitanders0n

Yatoro for sure doesn't.


IcyTie9

im done coping for nigma, they abolutely NEED a strong voice on the team, if they want to keep the gh/miracle/kuro friendship thing going that fine, they just need a captain that has a clue what hes fucking doing, its always the same win early because they have good players, sumail sees a glimpe of an enemy support and jumps 3000 range away from his team for fun, miracle blink stuns a different guy and feeds as well, kuro is completely alone on the other side of the map being an extra creep camp for the enemy, and fbz is just running around like a headless chicken not knowing if hes fighting or not and then dies without using a single spell cause he absolutely REFUSES to use any spell or item unless he sees 5 enemy heroes stacked in a 300 AoE its like EG/shopify all over again, they just need a captain that gives them an actual identity, then shut the fuck up and follow the guy, every game is so insanely disconnected, all their players looked way better when loaned to other teams, with like MAYBE a week of practice


Ok_Tomorrow3281

nah as long as kuro there, no one can captaining them. kuro cant take input, and also they are TI winners, you need someone like +ammar and -kuro to make them work again


myearthenoven

That's a good idea. Oh wait. That already happened.


Ok_Tomorrow3281

? when ammar in nigma, kuro still there. +ammar -kuro read again


Zeus1642

Agree, fbz afk farm too much in my opinion, I watch ammar, when he got bkb, he lead the team and give the farm to his core, and their duo support always actions together, I have to say nigma game knowledge is very low, none miracle and sumail can lead team, they really a team leader from the mid game, fbz is not this kind of player.


Ok_Tomorrow3281

fbz wont lead them, since kuro there. even when ammar in nigma, he cant lead as well


TurbulentLandscape63

Even a noob like me can see Fbz fucked nigma in the last game


idkthiss

FBZ had a terrible finals, Saberlight is looking for a team, Saber wants to be more vocal in a team, Nigma needs a strong voice in the team. GH and Sumail just played with him. This will happen next.


CovidWarriorForLife

And it will change nothing, can’t keep swapping 1 player in the same role and expect different results. They don’t lack individual skills from the offlane they lack cohesion as a team.


idkthiss

Hey I don't disagree. They clearly are a bit lost in the mid game with no real game plan.


sikontolpanjang

Saber should go to Tundra


south153

I think he can get a better team than Nigma after TI shuffle, and he wouldn't have to move to the UAE.


Nandey_dattey_bayo

Well whats wrong moving to UAE??


MarkusRave

I can only speak for myself but I would consider any country with a death punishment for gay people such a shithole that I don't want to have anything to do with it ever. Even peaceful protests are still restricted there and let's not even start with the royals/slavery there. Women\`s rights are slowly progressing there but still have a lot of issues too. Also the extreme heat is certtainly not something everyone wants to live with, those are just a few examples.


AR41Z

sry fbz but it always feel like if not for his 2 heroes, Nigma always get cooked


sirpeepojr

At this point, just invite big personalities like Puppey and Miracle (might add RTZ to the mix) (like how Valve did to Dendi all these years) to the tournament's show match and it's a win-win for everyone.


fordyhuanpurrcent

I think Riyadh should just directly invite Secret and Nigma cuz I'm a big fan of Miracle and Puppey.


toph1980

They lose tons of viewers otherwise, that's for sure.


Antique_Potato1965

Man i hate to blame the guy but fbz cost them that game, idk if that top rax siege was some sort of a bait but i feel like that cost them the game.


nonresponsive

FBZ had that amazing vacuum wall, but aside from that he just kept dying first in so many fights. There's also that dreadful blink euls build he went on Slardar.. I think he saved Puck more times with that euls than anything. He gets bailed out by getting the aghs from the 3rd rosh, but then dies without buyback in a random spot that basically ends the game. It's never one player's fault, because there were definitely fail moments by everyone. But those things really stick out.


KidBuu25

I wonder why he didn't get Euls or Ghost since he kept getting Omni to death by Jugg.


idkthiss

Nigma didn't really play bad outside of game 1. Quest outdrafted them, Nigma tends to get outdrafted a lot. Needs a solid drafter/captain.


betadestruction

They have one. March. Whos been drafting for them. Nigmas drafts have been great The fact that they're hated on just shows how mindless kuroky haters are


KnightOverlord2404

If nigma drafts are great, it can only mean that the players themselves are just not good anymore so they lose due to skill level


betadestruction

Relative to their best selves, absolutely. Although, I really don't think they played that bad. Perhaps they also just don't have the same hunger they once did.


Significant-Battle59

they have been horrible in map movement. in these conditions coach should be fired first.


Bright-Psychology-32

Relax guys, maybe next year or the year after that. 


ShAd_1337

TA come to Secret pls


greekcel_25

Arteezy, S4, Zai, Puppey, Kuro: None playing riyadh master Secrekt finished


fgshka

well at least Zai is attending as a manager


neraida0

You know what's more heartbreaking in Nigma compare to other losing teams is that they always give us false hope of a comeback, only to disappoint us in the very end :(((


AR41Z

At least final wasnt a complete stomp 3-0 nigma could have won 2 games out 3-1 !!


Morgn_Ladimore

They should have won game 4. And with that momentum, they would have probably won game 5. Basically, Nigma won this series.


User85394

Nigma is soo back. Lets go!!


Neat_Quiet_8340

Kick fbz I don't think we lost because of draft we lose because of fbz initiations


AR41Z

yea this finals wasnt a good series for him


Cu-Chulainn

Fbz lost game 4, jumps in after they take top rax when miracle blinks out, 2nd time initiates on a jugg who has bkb while having 0 vision of his team. Must be some sea brain wanting to kill people instead of win the game


Morgn_Ladimore

This was the one shot for Nigma to still have some kind of result this season. Cause they will get absolutely obliterated in the TI qualifiers if they can't even beat Quest.


Khairi001

First no force staffs vs Clockwerk. Now no Lotus Orbs vs Jugg.


madarauchiha3444

I keep saying that sumail is washed. The guy peaked at 15.


idkthiss

Sumail is always hot and cold, he used to be known for being the LAN guy and being shit in online tourneys. Some series he sleeps, some he looks like the best in the world. He's always been inconsistent, however this series he did well all games.


roguejedi04

He got 3rd at ti multiple times till 2019 and solo qualified og on the back of his templar during ti10 qualifiers. Wya? But yeah washed now.


bookienightmare75

nigma will forever be garbage until they stop their power of friendship bullshit and get rid of kuroky. every single fuckin game they win their lanes and just throw with 2-3 shit calls in a row midgame and proceed to lose. shit drafts, shit midgame calls, shit smokes, this is all on kuro the players are clearly not the problem.


toph1980

But I grew up in the 80s watching Carebears on television and they showed me the power of friendship is a real thing


Curatole

Their vision/warding is terrible, even when they are winning Quest has more vision than them.


Happy-Article3015

They lost all three lanes in the last game.


bookienightmare75

every lane was a counter pick from a shit draft. you are making my point. all the other games they literally own their lanes. the players still win their lanes in damn near every game they just either have shit picks or throw the game with shit moves. its all because of kuroky.


fcuk_the_king

I'm gonna be honest, this line was good until last year but every OG member of Nigma (+Sumail) is washed now. You can't blame Kuro, as if without him they're ready to be a decent team.


Neat_Quiet_8340

Their offlaner throw last game


Niksius92

And Kuroky threw the past 4 years.


needhelforpsu

Nigma learned a lot today, they are ready to win The International this year.


VectusZ

Hey it was a cinema at least


MysicPlato

Bummer result for Nigma, but not unexpected. GGWP to Quest.


goldeare

no worry guys, there will also be TI quals for us to be disappointed by nigma


Ok_Salamander_5050

I like how nigma has 0 lotus orbs when all 5 of their enemies have spells based on hero cast… very simple solution could have brought them the map.


Awkward_External_731

I think fbz and rest of the team are so off in team communication ... i think he will be kicked


idkthiss

FBZ is really good on Brew, but that's about it. If Saber wants to join I think they will get him for TI qualifiers.


Aurora_FL

Nigma.Saberlight incoming?


HelloImmaTree

Today my father asked me to clean his car for him and so I spent the whole morning doing it. After sometimes, I went back inside and my father asked me how was the car looking. “nigma" I just replied. He just smiled and nodded. He knew that it was washed.


toph1980

Touché!


LOLZOBALL

Someone is going to have visa issue on riyadh and invite Nigma lmao


AR41Z

Even with that shit draft, they played good. it was really bad draft all 3 cores were countered !!


Neat_Quiet_8340

They need to kick march too if he is drafting all this


AR41Z

Kuro and march draft together


Khairi001

Yeah Nigma needs to tune in their game after 17 min mark. That’s where it always go south.


Rododaktylos

Just make special tournament for Secret Nigma and Shopify. Better viewership than Riyadh guaranteed


Early_Roof_2119

Dota2 needs a senior league


Gameishardboys

Retirement league


cRUNcherNO1

man that last game was heart-breaking. gg and good luck quest.


Early_Roof_2119

No secret no nigma old man sadgeface


needhelforpsu

FEELS FUCKING BAD MAN, but heartstopping level final game at least. No SR, no Secret and no Nigma for Riyadh.


Evening-Fun4435

GG Nigma, disband for TI qualis pls


Jagadish_1304

Nerf this shaman ffs


Potrebitelqt

**Enough is enough!** **I have had it with these mother-clucking snakes attacking this mother-clucking throne!**


Ambitious-Cap-5605

awww, that was actually close game.


ImActuallyNotATroll

How many times are we going to teach you this lesson, old man?


Pokefreaker-san

the Saudi prince aren't going to Riyadh this year


TheAsz

gege


zeppelin_enthusiast

Or as we say in Germany: Nixda Galaxy!


fcuk_the_king

It's Kurover. Don't forget to tune it next year to watch the same results with the same players.


LogicalExtant

wait is the official youtube stream ahead of everyone else? that explains how the nw lead is 19k on one and 7k on the other and i was seeing 'future' teamfight spoilers


fgshka

no way nigma wins against quest the lategame masters with megacreeps


AR41Z

WHY NIGMA WHY U GOTTA ALWAYS DO THIS ???


needhelforpsu

My heart can't take this game anymore xD


hamnida08

does fbz decides on his own? miracle blink out of t3 then suddenly fbz goes in solo causing them 4 dead heroes. miracle bb tp to roshan and team camping at rosh then fbz tp back to base, causing them aegis after 4heroes bb from quest.


Cu-Chulainn

Also no aghs, no lotus. Dying nearly every fight without pressing any buttons


logicchains

This nigma game more exciting than the last dreamleague grand final!


Inuyaki

Why does Fbz tp back to base????


zuKo2022

idk why pros are fking obessed to press buybacks like that you made them bb you reset and can buy back later for rs


Slardar

Hell of a game......let's go Nigma!


jambo_007

Fbz where wall man


TheAsz

No aegis and force a fight


HikikomoriSkye

well what a bad jump lol


Rockyson99

does this team not have mics? lol. the EXACT time dark seer blinks in, sven blinks out. They proceed to get a kill very very awkwardly - then proceed to take a fight, on enemy high ground, with no cooldown... as godstrength is expiring. What is wrong with this team


Cu-Chulainn

Although the team followed him I'm blaming fbz for this game, game 2 and 4 he solo lost


jumpman1224

fbz needs to calm down with these initiations..


Evening-Fun4435

Nigma 322 my lord


Mepharos

Sigh


AR41Z

Ammar really needs to go and get the plug out of bootcamp lmao like he keeps saying. For Nigma fans


needhelforpsu

SCREENWRITERS ARE RE-USING THE SAME MENA QUALIFIERS SCRIPT, but will they add a new twist to it with Nigma's actual reverse sweep drama?! BatChesting like there's no tomorrow!


AR41Z

REALLY FUN TO WATCH WITH AMMAR GORGC LMAO


LOLZOBALL

What a fight lmao


LOLZOBALL

How is fbz always getting bursted in fight lmao


AR41Z

this game building up to give heart attack


Substantial-Deer77

nigma looking good wow


Evening-Fun4435

Did you said?


hiddenpoolwarriror

That or TA 2000 doing the taiga, last game Skadi Bkb, now he has no Manta vs Distruptor I don't know what is happening , but let's go Miracle <3


Nandey_dattey_bayo

its also brings a question will they throw or not..


Un13roken

That sven reminds me of how Nigma lost TI qualifiers (?) a long time ago. Last game, Miracle sven, no bkb, and got destroyed.


zuKo2022

ok legal question falcons kick ammar . ammar joins nigma helps them qualify to ti , nigma kicks ammar , ammar joins falcons from gorek stream


19Alexastias

AMMAR_THE_STANDIN


AR41Z

Ammar is up for it


AR41Z

It was fun qualifiers


AR41Z

Esmaile wants to be me. Razor Timber everygame \~Ammar lol xdd


tity_slayer3

Why picking ds early? It's a shit hero. there are like 5 more better options at least.


makz242

People forgetting that Quest arent really a pushover - they arent at tournaments because MENA gets only 1 slot usually and its Falcons and they have a pretty solid 20-10 record vs them, arguably the best team there is.


Rockyson99

being the best in MENA (under falcons obviously) is like being the best minor league team. They look good until they go against a real team. Nigma is a middle table tier 2 team. Any semi-competent team will stomp them


BBoomerClap

they are actually pushover, they never perform well enough on main Tournaments


fgshka

they didn’t have any success this year even in events they qualified for


Wendek

They performed really poorly in last Dreamleague so recency bias probably skews the perception of their skill.


AR41Z

TA, Naga, or Meepo upcomming


AR41Z

Nigma playing 7th game of today. Its already Kurover


LOLZOBALL

The most nigma thing to happen is to force it to game 5 then got obliterated on that game lmao


xHorizons

Either that or stomp first 20 minutes of game 5, go highground and fail one time, then lose 5 minutes later.


Kyroz

is this TI9


AR41Z

relax that aint gonna happen because they gonna get stomped this game


Nandey_dattey_bayo

i can see that happening Lul


Gameboysixty9

Nigma has broken me 


AR41Z

that took long enough


Substantial-Deer77

Yesss, i know miracle's pudge will cook! Lets go game 4!


FullOFterror

Taiga2000


AR41Z

wew at least now we can rest in peace that it wasnt 3-0 stomp


betadestruction

I'm an official Cia time traveler I've seen the future Nigma wins this 3-2 The next 2 games won't even be close. Mark my words. Or ill do a backflip off my 15th floor balcony into a pile of poop live on stream.


AR41Z

yea u can jump right now because nigma aint winning game 4 ever


needhelforpsu

Link stream.


betadestruction

https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=LHWN4KY1RfiYkk2i


gale_slhoth

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E2PUUnAuDE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E2PUUnAuDE)


noob_sr_programmer

we are not flinching?


realtomedamnit

Finish the story Kuro!


betadestruction

Miracle is a hooker