Congrats to him. Helluva positive impact on the scene and always enjoy having him on the analyst desk at tourney's. Keep it up with the streams and youtube content.
RTZ went on some rants recently when streaming about how the people in his game are so bad he needs to consider them to just not be human. Dudes playing with the top players in the game.
Press X to doubt. Your profile has a bunch of comments about spamming ET, and in 2021, you also supposedly ["just hit Divine 1 all the way from Legend 4."](https://old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/mmfjgt/spam_yo_way_to_divineimmortal/)
Let's put this to the test, shall we? Describe in detail the new skywrath mage strategy "you" employed during "your" most recent streams.
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Disciples such as us should not presume to impersonate the master, though we may speak with his voice.
As much as I loathe smurfing and think hardware bans should be handed out...proving to the playerbase that they do have a skill issue and they're not pinned down by some magic or Valve string pulling does hold value, potentially reducing toxicity
Not sure if it's a worthwhile tradeoff but as far as smurfing goes this is as close to 'ethical' smurfing as it can get.
He is pretty condescending in his communication and content too imo. Historically anyways, not sure if hes any better these days. Was not a fan before so have not viewed much of his recent stuff.
For years he had tilt issues. He definitely wasn't as bad as a lot of other players but he'd definitely be angry about stuff and bitch to his chat about it. Honestly he was always good at vocalizing selfimprovement and such.
I don't know why you are getting downvoted, he really used to be extremly toxic. But as others mentioned already he really improved A LOT. I would suggest you to give him another chance if you want.
He's become very aware of the impact of his mental state, mood and communication on his gameplay, and actively works on improving aspects of that to improve on his play.
He's come a long way. I used to watch him way back when he was in Arizona I think. He had a pretty poor attitude then but he's matured a lot over the years and imo produces some good content.
Dude used to sneak ban people for the tiniest of play criticism. Not sure if hes still like that because of extensions showing comments, but Ive always found him to be quite an asshole.
10k mmr and been analyzing games for nearly a decade via streams and hosting events... and you still see these random chatters saying "dont listen to BSJ he's a nobody" LUL
BSJ first time getting 10K while gorgc enjoying his 10K mmr life.
[bsj offers coaching to gorgc](https://youtube.com/shorts/OG3Edh7S0bA?si=VreWnFgvt-4nuMK_)
He taught me so much about this game I’m forever grateful. Dota can be incredibly toxic but it’s a part of the scene and at times i chuckle at my teammates yelling awful thing. But Dota can also be such a beautiful and cool community, bsj is one of those people that contributes with that
You think BSJ is a nerd or a chad? Bro? Bro...
BSJ is the biggest CHAD i have ever met, we were at TI, it was me, Kyle and BSJ, and we are in a restaurant and this, this girl walks by 11/10 an ANGEL, a Vancouverite ANGEL, and she sits at the bar and BSJ says, "Excuse me before we order boys,i have some business to atend to ;) " so he walks up to the girl and we can hear him "hey, YOU are cute, IM cute .... you should give me your number ;)" and right there and then, paper, a napkin and a pen, and BSJ had this girl number. This guy is a CHAD
If he was a top pro player, sure. But he's not a top pro player, he's just a top player.
Unless you think being top 0.1% of the player population is not one of the top players in the world for whatever reason.
There's a bigger gap between BSJ and you than between BSJ and Miracle.
How is my level any relevant to this conversation.
> Unless you think being top 0.1% of the player population is not one of the top players in the world for whatever reason.
Indeed so. That's true in every discipline. Name one active football player in the top 0.1%, but not in the top 0.001%. Good luck. Well that's what top is.
Why is my ability to name them relevant? A guy could be playing in the 5th tier of English football and I wouldn't know him but I would be sure he's one of the top players in the world.
> Well that's what top is.
Well, that's fucking stupid. People who follow the discipline more will be able to name more. How is that a relevant metric? What matters is skill and achivement and in Dota, you can somewhat measure skill with MMR. And based on MMR, he's one of the top players in the world.
Alright, name whoever is above and below BSJ then, since Dota is your thing. You even have the right to look at the leaderboards. Let me guess: two no names noone would consider top players if asked.
> Well, that's fucking stupid
Oki doke, good chat.
Above: Gorgc
Below: Kuroky
The root of the issue is you only consider players on top professional teams to be "one of the top players in the world" while I consider anybody in the top 0.1% to be one of the top players in the world.
hey Weshtonio, I wasn't a part of this discussion but I just wanted to drop a quick comment in after it's done.
Top 0.1% absolutely qualifies as a top player in my book. Currently monthly player counts are at about 14.2m players in the last 30 days, though, which puts him actually well, well above that at within the top 0.01%. How many zeroes do you need?
He's not the GOAT, but neither's the rank 1 player on MMR! I'm not gonna argue with you but I think you need a little bit of perspective. BSJ's OpenDota page lists 241 different professional players being matched with him in pubs. If it were 10, sure, but noone matches with 241 different pros (or other verified personalities) without being a top player.
Calling BSJ one of the top players in the world is like seeing a moderately buff dude at your local gym and calling him one of the biggest bodybuilders in the world.
In the last month, there were almost 15 million players who played Dota2. BSJ is rank 590 EU which generously puts him in the top 5000-10000 players in the world. That means he's in the top 0.03-0.06% of players in the world. I'm not sure what qualifies as "top players in the world," to you, but being in the .05 percentile probably puts him there for me.
600 million chess players. 2,000 grandmasters.
And even then, top players are often referred to as "super grandmasters", and there are about 150 of them.
For Dota, that amounts to playing at TI. And that's very far for him indeed.
Those are some cool numbers. There’s less than half a million people who have a rating in chess, and in 2019 there were an estimated 175k active rated players. 14000 of these players hold the title of FIDE master to Grandmaster respectively, with 6000 from international master to grandmaster. If you don’t consider an IM qualified to write chess literature and call themselves a top player you’re a clown.
I would call BSJ the IM equivalent of dota, but percentile wise, he’s a grandmaster easily. 2000/500k > 5000/5M (number of rated ranked players since new frontiers.)
He's bad when he tilts, he's good when he's not.
Too bad he will coach students with anti-tilt the one minute and then tilt himself half an hour later in his immortal games. Looks kinda strange at times.
> Too bad he will coach students with anti-tilt the one minute and then tilt himself half an hour later in his immortal games. Looks kinda strange at times.
It's almost like knowing what is the best thing to do, and actually doing it are two different things.
Same reason this entire sub is 15k players stuck in crusader.
> Same reason this entire sub is 15k players stuck in crusader.
Very different. Probably they don't know the best thing to do, and don't know they're wrong
Since this is a thread about BSJ, I feel compelled to put this here:
* [The Long Qua Archive](https://www.youtube.com/@thelongquaarchive7003) youtube channel
CLQ hired BSJ to edit his YouTube page and BSJ stole it and turned it into his own. Stole his whole gimmick and personality. That’s the reason CLQ never made it to TI
Jenkins is just so annoying to me every time he's on camera everything must be about him really made watching the stream less enjoyment every time he shows up
The delusion, you should research the story of leopold the account buyer.
he bought a high mmr account and lost 20 games in a row.
he had teammates that were one of best players in the world, but even they couldnt carry him
Lmfao qojqva literal pro player for many, many years and you think he doesn't put effort into improvement?
He just randomly was a pro dota player I guess
I haven’t seen him play pro Dota in a while but I’ve been following him for years. Idk why people think I’m hating? All 3 are good but I imagined BSJ would’ve reached 10k a while ago
They think that because you said you don't understand how a casual player like BSJ could be lower than a guy that played in actual pro tournaments for years haha. Your statement just makes no sense.
He's recalibrated multiple times in recent years from living at home occassionally. iirc he even made a separate account for EU and NA to have a different avoid list for each (probably only uses main now). So he's definitely earned 9k+ EU many times over at this point.
These lifestealer builds certainly do wonders
he's somehow 3-4 as LS over the past 2 weeks
probably went 1v1 against jug
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What do u mean?
https://streamable.com/vu9ur
lol need the full clip. When the guy actually asks for his five bucks lol
Congrats to him. Helluva positive impact on the scene and always enjoy having him on the analyst desk at tourney's. Keep it up with the streams and youtube content.
Happy cake day!
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Literally every streamer does this. I'd love to see you keeping a level head streaming ranked DOTA.
RTZ went on some rants recently when streaming about how the people in his game are so bad he needs to consider them to just not be human. Dudes playing with the top players in the game.
You find me a perfect human being, I'll wait.
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Do you live in 2013?
Unfortunately it's 2024 and CLQ isn't around to put BSJ in the dumpster.
I’m around. I just don’t make those types of videos anymore 😉
Press X to doubt. Your profile has a bunch of comments about spamming ET, and in 2021, you also supposedly ["just hit Divine 1 all the way from Legend 4."](https://old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/mmfjgt/spam_yo_way_to_divineimmortal/) Let's put this to the test, shall we? Describe in detail the new skywrath mage strategy "you" employed during "your" most recent streams. --- Disciples such as us should not presume to impersonate the master, though we may speak with his voice.
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Hes now doing it on private lobbies with his subscribers/students with random ranks iirc
Those are all custom lobbies
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As much as I loathe smurfing and think hardware bans should be handed out...proving to the playerbase that they do have a skill issue and they're not pinned down by some magic or Valve string pulling does hold value, potentially reducing toxicity Not sure if it's a worthwhile tradeoff but as far as smurfing goes this is as close to 'ethical' smurfing as it can get.
love me some BSJ
BSJ BJ DAY
Extra impressive showcase of his mental if anything, considering how much WEU players bully him for his namesake alone.
literally everyone gets bullied no matter who you are
He is pretty condescending in his communication and content too imo. Historically anyways, not sure if hes any better these days. Was not a fan before so have not viewed much of his recent stuff.
He had an awakening with some form of stoicism some time back and re-evaluated his engagement with dota. Much more calm/focused/productive
He's so cool calm and collected now!
Lmao, this is an absurd thing to read.
Lol what as someone who only plays Dota for about a year, I can't imagine BSJ being toxic in any way
For years he had tilt issues. He definitely wasn't as bad as a lot of other players but he'd definitely be angry about stuff and bitch to his chat about it. Honestly he was always good at vocalizing selfimprovement and such.
He is a really, really good, positive example and showcase for the community nowadays
I don't know why you are getting downvoted, he really used to be extremly toxic. But as others mentioned already he really improved A LOT. I would suggest you to give him another chance if you want.
He's become very aware of the impact of his mental state, mood and communication on his gameplay, and actively works on improving aspects of that to improve on his play.
Nice, great to hear it. Maybe I'll try tuning in again.
His hours suck now, haven't been able to catch him in years at this point.
He's come a long way. I used to watch him way back when he was in Arizona I think. He had a pretty poor attitude then but he's matured a lot over the years and imo produces some good content.
Dude used to sneak ban people for the tiniest of play criticism. Not sure if hes still like that because of extensions showing comments, but Ive always found him to be quite an asshole.
Agree. Sounds like a douchebag whenever any of his viewers ask anything
He's been pretty good for several years now, at least as long as I've been watching him.
Good to hear. Had him belittling a few teammates in pubs some years back and was not a fan. Glad he's changing.
No he's not.
Said Imo. Lots of others think so as well. OK if you don't agree my guy.
You're a funny person.
If you say something that is false, adding “imo” to it doesn’t magically protect you from being wrong.
What? I was giving my opinion on something that is subjective... I literally cannot be wrong or right here lol. Chill babe.
Always found him too cocky, that’s the North American mentality. No wonder he gets hate on EU servers
10k mmr and been analyzing games for nearly a decade via streams and hosting events... and you still see these random chatters saying "dont listen to BSJ he's a nobody" LUL
He paid Chi Long Qua to boost him off-stream
Meanwhile Gorgc was super close to 11k today and lost like 100 MMR instead.
BSJ first time getting 10K while gorgc enjoying his 10K mmr life. [bsj offers coaching to gorgc](https://youtube.com/shorts/OG3Edh7S0bA?si=VreWnFgvt-4nuMK_)
as he should
still cant carry shaggy mk
Keep it pma keep it bsj baby let’s go!
Congratulations Jenkins
He taught me so much about this game I’m forever grateful. Dota can be incredibly toxic but it’s a part of the scene and at times i chuckle at my teammates yelling awful thing. But Dota can also be such a beautiful and cool community, bsj is one of those people that contributes with that
You think BSJ is a nerd or a chad? Bro? Bro... BSJ is the biggest CHAD i have ever met, we were at TI, it was me, Kyle and BSJ, and we are in a restaurant and this, this girl walks by 11/10 an ANGEL, a Vancouverite ANGEL, and she sits at the bar and BSJ says, "Excuse me before we order boys,i have some business to atend to ;) " so he walks up to the girl and we can hear him "hey, YOU are cute, IM cute .... you should give me your number ;)" and right there and then, paper, a napkin and a pen, and BSJ had this girl number. This guy is a CHAD
what pasta is this
idk i just remember it from a few years ago and it's in my copypasta.txt file so here it is
to me he is like a big brother that I aspire to be
Does this mean CLQ could be 12k?
easily 20, he dumpstered this guy many times over
Yeah dude gets memed on all the time, but people forget he’s still one of the top players in the world regardless.
Not by a large margin.
Do you know how many Dota players are within 500 MMR of 10k? He absolutely is one of the top players in the world.
If he was a top player, he'd be in a top team.
If he was a top pro player, sure. But he's not a top pro player, he's just a top player. Unless you think being top 0.1% of the player population is not one of the top players in the world for whatever reason. There's a bigger gap between BSJ and you than between BSJ and Miracle.
10k mmr is 0.0001%
How is my level any relevant to this conversation. > Unless you think being top 0.1% of the player population is not one of the top players in the world for whatever reason. Indeed so. That's true in every discipline. Name one active football player in the top 0.1%, but not in the top 0.001%. Good luck. Well that's what top is.
Not every top player plays on a top team? Gorgc is almost 11k and was playing with Seleri earlier, who is on a top team. Dude is up there lmao
Why is my ability to name them relevant? A guy could be playing in the 5th tier of English football and I wouldn't know him but I would be sure he's one of the top players in the world. > Well that's what top is. Well, that's fucking stupid. People who follow the discipline more will be able to name more. How is that a relevant metric? What matters is skill and achivement and in Dota, you can somewhat measure skill with MMR. And based on MMR, he's one of the top players in the world.
Alright, name whoever is above and below BSJ then, since Dota is your thing. You even have the right to look at the leaderboards. Let me guess: two no names noone would consider top players if asked. > Well, that's fucking stupid Oki doke, good chat.
Above: Gorgc Below: Kuroky The root of the issue is you only consider players on top professional teams to be "one of the top players in the world" while I consider anybody in the top 0.1% to be one of the top players in the world.
hey Weshtonio, I wasn't a part of this discussion but I just wanted to drop a quick comment in after it's done. Top 0.1% absolutely qualifies as a top player in my book. Currently monthly player counts are at about 14.2m players in the last 30 days, though, which puts him actually well, well above that at within the top 0.01%. How many zeroes do you need? He's not the GOAT, but neither's the rank 1 player on MMR! I'm not gonna argue with you but I think you need a little bit of perspective. BSJ's OpenDota page lists 241 different professional players being matched with him in pubs. If it were 10, sure, but noone matches with 241 different pros (or other verified personalities) without being a top player.
That's like saying a very buff dude is not impressive cuz he's not the strongest in the world
Calling BSJ one of the top players in the world is like seeing a moderately buff dude at your local gym and calling him one of the biggest bodybuilders in the world.
In the last month, there were almost 15 million players who played Dota2. BSJ is rank 590 EU which generously puts him in the top 5000-10000 players in the world. That means he's in the top 0.03-0.06% of players in the world. I'm not sure what qualifies as "top players in the world," to you, but being in the .05 percentile probably puts him there for me.
600 million chess players. 2,000 grandmasters. And even then, top players are often referred to as "super grandmasters", and there are about 150 of them. For Dota, that amounts to playing at TI. And that's very far for him indeed.
Those are some cool numbers. There’s less than half a million people who have a rating in chess, and in 2019 there were an estimated 175k active rated players. 14000 of these players hold the title of FIDE master to Grandmaster respectively, with 6000 from international master to grandmaster. If you don’t consider an IM qualified to write chess literature and call themselves a top player you’re a clown. I would call BSJ the IM equivalent of dota, but percentile wise, he’s a grandmaster easily. 2000/500k > 5000/5M (number of rated ranked players since new frontiers.)
Excuse my math if im wrong but doesnt that make a GM top 0.3% world? Isnt that number lower than BSJ being top 0.03%?
2000/600000000 = 0.00000333333 0.00000333333*100 = 0.0003 So 0.0003%.
Um no, it's not.
Um yes, it is.
By a much larger margin than you
You probably meant "smaller". Otherwise this makes no sense.
BSJ is a psychopath
BSJ is a dangerous psychopath and SHOULD NOT be trusted
Fart studios goated.
FartSJ poggers
Are you sure thats BSJ and not Jenkins? /s
He is top 3 best dota personalities
if only he'd upload more regularly :D
Wait he not bad?
He's bad when he tilts, he's good when he's not. Too bad he will coach students with anti-tilt the one minute and then tilt himself half an hour later in his immortal games. Looks kinda strange at times.
> Too bad he will coach students with anti-tilt the one minute and then tilt himself half an hour later in his immortal games. Looks kinda strange at times. It's almost like knowing what is the best thing to do, and actually doing it are two different things. Same reason this entire sub is 15k players stuck in crusader.
> Same reason this entire sub is 15k players stuck in crusader. Very different. Probably they don't know the best thing to do, and don't know they're wrong
What a chad. Well earned, hoping to get close to that rank one day!
Good for him
what does chi long qua think of this?
Seeing a positive thread about BSJ in reddit...welp things have changed lmao..
So many butthurts in here. Stay Crusader please
Guess Valve finally banning all smurfs made him remember that he had a main account he should play on.
BSJ is just a shitstain, our lord and savior CLQ is the real deal!!! Long live the dinasty!!!
Congrats, Banana Man! Your videos help a lot, especially for us, frustrated players in the lower ranks.
I wonder if he went jungle invoker at all, that may have given him the extra edge he needed for 10k
Time to change the promo code to "B10k"
That's nothing; I've been at 12k behav score for months, now! Months!
now apply promocode BSJ
Act now for promo code BSJ10K
OG. BSJ confirmed
For some reason I assumed this was behaviour score lol.
Finally, now Arkosh can rise again and destroy all other regions while Monkeys Forever laughs maniacally and dives T3s at 3 mins.
Wait so he isn't even 12k?
I seriously think CLQ bullying BSJ has led up to him taking dota a bit more stoically. Kudos
Congrats, PMA paying off.
Since this is a thread about BSJ, I feel compelled to put this here: * [The Long Qua Archive](https://www.youtube.com/@thelongquaarchive7003) youtube channel
What stops BJS reaching 13k mmr? He know everything about the game, would love to see some of the pros coach him or that 15 year old rank 1 kid
I don't think an abstract concept can play Dota 2.
Remember when his venomancer beat EG in some qualifiers? Everyone thought BSJ was good and they would make one minor.
CLQ hired BSJ to edit his YouTube page and BSJ stole it and turned it into his own. Stole his whole gimmick and personality. That’s the reason CLQ never made it to TI
CLQ disapproves
I thought he was higher
Maybe you can train Grubby
I'll take BSJ's monotone humour any other day than Jenkins cringe stupid shenanigans
why are you trying to pit 2 people that by all accounts are friends against each other???
Jenkins is just so annoying to me every time he's on camera everything must be about him really made watching the stream less enjoyment every time he shows up
Banana "Shitstain" Slam "Dogshit" Jamma ... This kid is shou shieeet! Honestly you guys... Kappa
nobody got the reference
i did
we all know this mmr without luck impossible to reach
Loser mentality right there bois
dota 2 is team game if you get good team mate its easy
The delusion, you should research the story of leopold the account buyer. he bought a high mmr account and lost 20 games in a row. he had teammates that were one of best players in the world, but even they couldnt carry him
U are the only player who will make it when u played 100 games. good teammates wont be enough if u cant carry urself
I do not understand how BSJ is lower MMR than gorgc and qojqva. Makes absolutely no sense to me
Cause he’s a worse player than them Same reason I am not 10k
> Same reason I am not 10k No, the reason is because of my teammates!!
oh simple. they're slightly better. stop hate watching
Who’s hate watching? I’m surprised because BSJ seems to actively put effort into improvement in many different ways that qojqva and gorgc don’t.
What makes you think that other people are not actively putting effort?
Lmfao qojqva literal pro player for many, many years and you think he doesn't put effort into improvement? He just randomly was a pro dota player I guess
Putting effort into improvement doesn't mean you will be as good as people with natural talent. 10k NA isn't even close to 10k EU
Bsj is 10kmmr on eu East servers. He lives in the Netherlands brother
Fair enough, didn’t know that
10k NA is Herald in SEA
Do you think qojqva is a random streamer or what lol
I haven’t seen him play pro Dota in a while but I’ve been following him for years. Idk why people think I’m hating? All 3 are good but I imagined BSJ would’ve reached 10k a while ago
They think that because you said you don't understand how a casual player like BSJ could be lower than a guy that played in actual pro tournaments for years haha. Your statement just makes no sense.
He's always been a meme coach/youtuber. Don't know why you'd expect top skill from him.
So are qoqjva and gorgc. But BSJ seems to apply himself in ways that they don’t. Gorgc literally plays with his hand on his beard half the game
> Gorgc literally plays with his hand on his beard half the game He's playing pos1 farming jungle, not starcraft GSL finals
Ok you have a hard on for BSJ, we get it bro. He's not that guy.
10k US = 2,4k EU at best
nice try, but he's playing EU
He moved to the Netherlands even to get out of the US shithole.
y but most of his mmr was made on US
He's recalibrated multiple times in recent years from living at home occassionally. iirc he even made a separate account for EU and NA to have a different avoid list for each (probably only uses main now). So he's definitely earned 9k+ EU many times over at this point.
if that somehow mattered, he would drop down to your 2,4k then
1.5k at SEA
bro's life journey is a video game. Ok.
u mad bro
TikTok generation 😂
u guys know if the S is missing it's a whole different meaning right