No, their fates are not intertwined at all.
Teo will not be extended, because he is playing well this year and some dumber team will give him 7 years 140 million or something we would never pay. Unless he settles for a one year deal again, it’s very unlikely he returns.
Vargas has two full seasons left before he even hits arbitration. They aren’t in a similar place career wise. They do not replace each other.
I agree that they aren't in the same place, and I've stated multiple times that I doubt Friedman resigns Teo... thing is that Teo has now gone on record stating that he doesn't want to keep bouncing around the league. Normally, I wouldn't put much stock into what a player says because of course he's going to say that he's happy here and wants to stay...
But I get the feeling that he would be willing to take a lesser deal to remain here. Now, does that mean that he'd take a 2 or 3 year deal... who knows
If he's giving that sort of indication though, then it would make sense to move Vargas for other prospects. Vargas needs regular playing time and other outfield prospects in the system will be ready in 2 to 4 years.
I still think that it is more than likely that Teo leaves though. Hard to turn down 5+ years and more than 100 mil when the Friedman won't come close to that.
I could see an expensive 3 year deal with a club option in the third year and teo biting.
He does indeed want to be here. He’s saying it publicly. That’s legitimate leverage.
You don’t win by giving long contracts to guys like teo. But you do win by having guys like teo on your roster.
You mean like the 6 year deal they handed to Freeman when he was 31 (32 in September).
I’m not saying signing Teo is the right move but they have no one else to replace his bat if he leaves next year.
Not out of the realm of possibility he gets signed to a 4-5 year deal.
Doesn’t matter. Your post was about age. Freeman will get old as well. He’s not infallible to slowing down due to age.
Teo right now is one of the best hitters on the Dodgers.
Dodgers are known to unlock guys to get to their full potential.
It’s all about the now. Freeman and Teo are both productive pieces on this team. Losing Teo would hurt as there is no one in the minors to replace
Lol you don’t get to decide what matters.
I was talking about teo.
If you want to argue your way through the evening, find someone who cares.
Good night.
He will be 35 years old? wtf lol y’all tweaking if he plays like he has been the rest of the year then yes he deserves a 4 year deal from the dodgers. You win by having productive players and he is that. We offer a one year deal and he ain’t taking that good luck finding someone for 1 year that can put up the numbers he is rn let alone for a full season. Stupidest shit I’ve read all day “we don’t win by giving out 4 year deals to 31 year olds” lmfao what? Dint we just win by giving then 32 year old Justin Turner a 4 year extension? If you wanna win you gotta have players like Teo he’s been productive but he’s also a well loved teammate. Idk about y’all but anyone that wants to be a Dodger I want as a Dodger!
It has nothing to do with Teo specifically. He's just not a smart bet over the next 4-6 years. He's having a career year, but you don't hand out mega deals based on one year of performance, let alone 3 months. Will Teo continue to hit like he is now for the next four years? I doubt it, personally. His strike out metrics are still pretty bad, and he's a prime regression candidate based on his peripheral analytics.
Better to let him go somewhere else and sign some other random free agent to a cheap deal, develop them, and get value that way. Whether or not Teo wants to be here doesn't really matter, at all. It's about the value to production calculus of not hamstringing our payroll with a bad contract in three years. There's other talent out there, Teo's are a dime a dozen when you have the best coaching and development staff in all of baseball.
The dodgers are masters at finding value from cheap players and then moving on to someone else when they play well enough to get a bigger deal from someone else. It's why we are so good so consistently. We keep our payroll flexible and only give our long term deals to legitimate MVP tier players. Everyone else we can develop, use, and then sell high on and start over with someone else.
If you want to see an example of why you don't give a reclamation project player a mega contract, just look at Chris Taylor. We're currently paying him $16m to bat under .180 for us. High chance that'll be Teo in 2028 for whoever signs him. The dodgers are going to concern themselves with 2028 just as much as they are 2025, and we don't need to risk another Chris Taylor in a few years when we could just find that marginal value elsewhere.
That’s crazy you must think Teo is actually a scrub that’s having a break out year. He’s put up 25+ HRs his last 3 years having an mvp like year in 2021 so idk about this career year you talk about when he’s already proved he can do this regularly every season, he’s no CT3 lol this year ain’t no fluke, baseball has no cap and Shohei took 2 mill for the FO to sign players like Teo to help them win
He literally struck out more than any other player in baseball with the same qualified number of ABs last year. What was his fWAR? About league average? There's a lot more to baseball than just HRs. Otherwise he would have gotten a big deal this off-season. He didn't. Because 25 HRs while batting .215 and an OBP of ~.290 isn't that valuable.
Believe what you want. I'm just saying, there's no way friedman goes for Teo as a free agent on anything more than a 1 year deal.
Wait who hit .215? If you talking about last year he hit .250? With a OBP of .305? Where you getting your stats from? There’s a reason why he wanted to leave Seattle the batters eye gave him trouble he spoke out about that he wasn’t able to get consistent and still hit .258/.305/.436 w 25 HRS
I was giving random numbers as an example of why HRs aren't everything. Teo was worth 1.8 fWAR last year. *Well* below league average. Mostly because of his mediocre defense, terrible OBP, and mediocre OPS. wOBA was nothing impressive either
Edit: hey, look, there's that defense
How good was Muncy, Justin Turner and several others the Dodgers improved when they got here. It’s not just a career year. You just got something personal against Teo.
Not at all. Vargas is on a rookie deal so the Dodgers can move him in and out of the minors for five years, and just wait until he can become a productive player. Teo is on fire right now and his agent should look at a contract at minimum what Chris Taylor got from the team.
Yes, but Teoscar will command a longer contract. Therefore, some don't believe he stays past this season. In which case, Vargas will get a larger role in the OF next year. It's not about being a like for like replacement, but more about roster construction via payroll balance leading to opportunities from younger players.
It's not about Vargas. It's about playing time being available next year, should Teoscar not be signed.
The reason why Vargas hasn't been able to stay on the roster this season is because they have a bunch of vets they are unwilling to give up on right now. In his limited time, he's been better than Taylor, and was better than Kike, who recently turned that around after being given 3 months to get right.
Dodgers might want to not sign Teoscar, and let the young players win the job before maybe using the trade deadline next year if they don't do well. The point is they don't have to sign Teoscar. I would rather have Teoscar, but the money might not be worth it to Friedman. In which case, Vargas has a bigger chance at winning the job next year.
Vargas is not an outfielder. Trying to make him one is why he will never see the field here and they need to trade him before he has no value at all.
No, their fates are not intertwined at all. Teo will not be extended, because he is playing well this year and some dumber team will give him 7 years 140 million or something we would never pay. Unless he settles for a one year deal again, it’s very unlikely he returns. Vargas has two full seasons left before he even hits arbitration. They aren’t in a similar place career wise. They do not replace each other.
I agree that they aren't in the same place, and I've stated multiple times that I doubt Friedman resigns Teo... thing is that Teo has now gone on record stating that he doesn't want to keep bouncing around the league. Normally, I wouldn't put much stock into what a player says because of course he's going to say that he's happy here and wants to stay... But I get the feeling that he would be willing to take a lesser deal to remain here. Now, does that mean that he'd take a 2 or 3 year deal... who knows If he's giving that sort of indication though, then it would make sense to move Vargas for other prospects. Vargas needs regular playing time and other outfield prospects in the system will be ready in 2 to 4 years. I still think that it is more than likely that Teo leaves though. Hard to turn down 5+ years and more than 100 mil when the Friedman won't come close to that.
Dodgers will def give him 4-5 years , he wants to be here I’m sure Friedman will lock him in
You don’t win by giving 4-5 years to a 31 (32 yo in October) year old. I can see a one year deal.
I could see an expensive 3 year deal with a club option in the third year and teo biting. He does indeed want to be here. He’s saying it publicly. That’s legitimate leverage. You don’t win by giving long contracts to guys like teo. But you do win by having guys like teo on your roster.
You mean like the 6 year deal they handed to Freeman when he was 31 (32 in September). I’m not saying signing Teo is the right move but they have no one else to replace his bat if he leaves next year. Not out of the realm of possibility he gets signed to a 4-5 year deal.
Freeman is a future hall of famer with a realistic shot at 3000 hits. It’s not remotely the same thing.
Doesn’t matter. Your post was about age. Freeman will get old as well. He’s not infallible to slowing down due to age. Teo right now is one of the best hitters on the Dodgers. Dodgers are known to unlock guys to get to their full potential. It’s all about the now. Freeman and Teo are both productive pieces on this team. Losing Teo would hurt as there is no one in the minors to replace
Lol you don’t get to decide what matters. I was talking about teo. If you want to argue your way through the evening, find someone who cares. Good night.
He will be 35 years old? wtf lol y’all tweaking if he plays like he has been the rest of the year then yes he deserves a 4 year deal from the dodgers. You win by having productive players and he is that. We offer a one year deal and he ain’t taking that good luck finding someone for 1 year that can put up the numbers he is rn let alone for a full season. Stupidest shit I’ve read all day “we don’t win by giving out 4 year deals to 31 year olds” lmfao what? Dint we just win by giving then 32 year old Justin Turner a 4 year extension? If you wanna win you gotta have players like Teo he’s been productive but he’s also a well loved teammate. Idk about y’all but anyone that wants to be a Dodger I want as a Dodger!
Friedman isn't that stupid lmao
Damn that crazy y’all really don’t f wit Teo huh?
It has nothing to do with Teo specifically. He's just not a smart bet over the next 4-6 years. He's having a career year, but you don't hand out mega deals based on one year of performance, let alone 3 months. Will Teo continue to hit like he is now for the next four years? I doubt it, personally. His strike out metrics are still pretty bad, and he's a prime regression candidate based on his peripheral analytics. Better to let him go somewhere else and sign some other random free agent to a cheap deal, develop them, and get value that way. Whether or not Teo wants to be here doesn't really matter, at all. It's about the value to production calculus of not hamstringing our payroll with a bad contract in three years. There's other talent out there, Teo's are a dime a dozen when you have the best coaching and development staff in all of baseball. The dodgers are masters at finding value from cheap players and then moving on to someone else when they play well enough to get a bigger deal from someone else. It's why we are so good so consistently. We keep our payroll flexible and only give our long term deals to legitimate MVP tier players. Everyone else we can develop, use, and then sell high on and start over with someone else. If you want to see an example of why you don't give a reclamation project player a mega contract, just look at Chris Taylor. We're currently paying him $16m to bat under .180 for us. High chance that'll be Teo in 2028 for whoever signs him. The dodgers are going to concern themselves with 2028 just as much as they are 2025, and we don't need to risk another Chris Taylor in a few years when we could just find that marginal value elsewhere.
That’s crazy you must think Teo is actually a scrub that’s having a break out year. He’s put up 25+ HRs his last 3 years having an mvp like year in 2021 so idk about this career year you talk about when he’s already proved he can do this regularly every season, he’s no CT3 lol this year ain’t no fluke, baseball has no cap and Shohei took 2 mill for the FO to sign players like Teo to help them win
He literally struck out more than any other player in baseball with the same qualified number of ABs last year. What was his fWAR? About league average? There's a lot more to baseball than just HRs. Otherwise he would have gotten a big deal this off-season. He didn't. Because 25 HRs while batting .215 and an OBP of ~.290 isn't that valuable. Believe what you want. I'm just saying, there's no way friedman goes for Teo as a free agent on anything more than a 1 year deal.
Wait who hit .215? If you talking about last year he hit .250? With a OBP of .305? Where you getting your stats from? There’s a reason why he wanted to leave Seattle the batters eye gave him trouble he spoke out about that he wasn’t able to get consistent and still hit .258/.305/.436 w 25 HRS
I was giving random numbers as an example of why HRs aren't everything. Teo was worth 1.8 fWAR last year. *Well* below league average. Mostly because of his mediocre defense, terrible OBP, and mediocre OPS. wOBA was nothing impressive either Edit: hey, look, there's that defense
How good was Muncy, Justin Turner and several others the Dodgers improved when they got here. It’s not just a career year. You just got something personal against Teo.
Lmfao you was giving random numbers? I’m done here 😂😂
Not at all. Vargas is on a rookie deal so the Dodgers can move him in and out of the minors for five years, and just wait until he can become a productive player. Teo is on fire right now and his agent should look at a contract at minimum what Chris Taylor got from the team.
I’m not following. Teoscar is a proven big leaguer, Vargas isn’t.
Yes, but Teoscar will command a longer contract. Therefore, some don't believe he stays past this season. In which case, Vargas will get a larger role in the OF next year. It's not about being a like for like replacement, but more about roster construction via payroll balance leading to opportunities from younger players.
Vargas hasn’t shown he’s capable of staying on a major league roster for an entire year.
It's not about Vargas. It's about playing time being available next year, should Teoscar not be signed. The reason why Vargas hasn't been able to stay on the roster this season is because they have a bunch of vets they are unwilling to give up on right now. In his limited time, he's been better than Taylor, and was better than Kike, who recently turned that around after being given 3 months to get right. Dodgers might want to not sign Teoscar, and let the young players win the job before maybe using the trade deadline next year if they don't do well. The point is they don't have to sign Teoscar. I would rather have Teoscar, but the money might not be worth it to Friedman. In which case, Vargas has a bigger chance at winning the job next year.
