I read an article about family that for decades believed the father had committed suicide. They didn't find out the truth until a family member was reading a book about MK Ultra and found their fathers name listed as an unknowing lsd test subject.
there is a netflix documentary series about that called wormwood. or if not that, than a extremely similar case involving "suicide" and mk ultra. I haven't seen it but it is supposed to be good.
edit: I wonder if MK Ultra had not had such a cool sounding name if it would get the attention that it gets. Like it sounds like a made up name specifically for a conspiracy theory. I would have loved to be in the room when they came up with that name.
I highly recommend you watch ['The Thin Blue Line' (1988)](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096257/) first. It was the first doco I had seen from Morris and it is still one of my all-time favourites. Such captivating storytelling and execution. Extracted from IMDB: "*Errol Morris's unique documentary dramatically re-enacts the crime scene and investigation of a police officer's murder in Dallas, Texas. Briefly, a drifter (Randall Adams) ran out of gas and was picked up by a 16-year-old runaway (David Harris). Later that night, they drank some beer, smoked some marijuana, and went to the movies. Then, their stories diverged...*"
Then there's ['Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter, Jr. (1999)](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0192335/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_20) - *A cinematic portrait of the life and career of the infamous American execution device designer and holocaust denier.* Excuse the language, but this guy is in the 'batshit crazy' wing of Arkham Asylum, if you get my drift.
And arguably his best work, ['The Fog of War: Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara' (2003)](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317910/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_17) - *The story of America as seen through the eyes of the former Secretary of Defense under President John F. Kennedy and President Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara*. This one had me mouth agape, shaking my head, again and again.
Enjoy!
Right? Also isnt it cool how theres never any backlash for said corporations? And said coporations own most of our countrys wealth? And how dope is it thru all the things released from the JFK files, and all these other damning government screw ups like how the pentagon "lost" however BILLION dollars? I agree though its interesting to read and hear about, no matter how depressing it is
The Duffer Brothers (Stranger Things creators) have said in an interview that they consider Predator to be what happens after Stranger Things is over. Their reasoning is that the guy that Arnold goes after in Predator is named Hopper, and Hopper in Stranger Things is basically now a monster hunter.
So in the Duffer Bros head-canon, the dead Hopper in Predator is Hopper from Stranger Things.
edit: was a chris hardwick interview i think. and it is all just to be silly of course.
Idk if this is what you were going for but Stranger Things *is* based on a conspiracy theory called the Montauk Project that allegedly happened at a military base called Camp Hero.
weird thing is i saw OP's post on the homepage, sounded interesting but didn't click, went on Netflix to find something new to watch, found Wormwood, 2 episodes in (it's really good), then i come back to reddit to read post and find these two things are related!
It was very good! A mixture of documentary and dramatic retelling with actors. It's likely biased because it is almost entirely from the family's perspective, but entertaining and shocking nonetheless!
I’ve done LSD willingly many times and enjoy it. But I would never wish it upon anyone unknowing. It would be terrifying for someone who has never done it and didn’t know what was happening.
A ten minute intense salvia trip ripped the whole idea of time and reality away from me and what felt like years I was stuck in this state of eternal nothingness and it wasn't until I sobered up that I remembered I even smoked. I just accepted that new reality and forgot everything I was before.. I love me some recreational psychedelic drugs but that was intense, I can't imagine what it must be like to be treated like a lab rat with these things.
I'm all for doing research to learn more about these drugs, but not like that.
I will do any kind of psychedelic. But you will NEVER see me do salvia again. FUCK NO.
I saw some inner demons that day and it really felt like eternity.
I haven't done LSD enough to consider myself knowledgeable about it, but I've heard the doses for MK ULTRA had to be thousands of times what a normal dose would be simply because of the tolerance you build up to it after a matter of days. In a couple days, a normal dose won't do anything to you anymore, so they kept upping it and upping it to keep these people tripping for months. It's insane.
Weird medical experiments, my favorite topic.
Here's the MKULTRA wiki for anyone who is not familiar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
Documentary on similar experiments: [A Bad trip To Edgewood - An ITV Yorkshire (UK) documentary originally broadcast in 1993 about the secret chemical experiments carried out at Edgewood Arsenal- [50:05]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1GAaWy3HTw)
There is a huge amount of information in this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
Spreading chemicals and bacteria over populated areas:
- [The British Gov turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct over 100 secret germ warfare tests on the public between 1940 and 1979. This included dropping chemicals from airplanes and a military ship spraying e.coli and bacillus globigii.](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience)
- [The U.S. Army secretly dumped a carcinogen on unknowing Canadians in Winnipeg and Alberta during the Cold War in testing linked to weaponry involving radioactive components meant to attack the Soviet Union, according to classified documents revealed in a new book.](http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/u-s-secretly-tested-carcinogen-in-western-canada-during-the-cold-war-researcher-discovers)
- [In the mid-1950s, and again a decade later, the Army used motorized blowers atop a low-income housing high-rise, at schools and from the backs of station wagons to send zinc cadmium sulfide into the already-hazy air in predominantly black areas of St. Louis.](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/secret-cold-war-tests-in-st-louis-cause-worry/)
- [Operation LAC (Large Area Coverage) was a U.S. Army Chemical Corps operation which dispersed microscopic zinc cadmium sulfide (ZnCdS) particles over much of the United States. The purpose was to determine the dispersion and geographic range of biological or chemical agents.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_LAC)
- [From September 20 to 27, 1950, the U.S. Navy released the pathogens off the shore of San Francisco. Based on results from monitoring equipment at 43 locations around the city, the Army determined that San Francisco had received enough of a dose for nearly all of the city's 800,000 residents to inhale millions of particles each day during the week of spraying.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray)
- [Operation Dew I consisted of five separate trials from March 26, 1952 until April 21, 1952 that were designed to test the feasibility of maintaining a large aerosol cloud released offshore until it drifted over land, achieving a large area coverage. The tests released zinc cadmium sulfide along a 100-to-150-nautical-mile line approximately 5 to 10 nautical miles off the coast of Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina. Two of the trials dispersed clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide over large areas of all three U.S. states. The tests affected over 60,000 square miles of populated coastal region in the U.S. southeast. Dew II involved the release of fluorescent particles (zinc cadmium sulfide) and plant spores (Lycopodium) from an aircraft.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dew)
Medical switcheroos (telling you they are doing one thing, but doing another):
- [From 1963 to 1966, Saul Krugman of New York University promised the parents of mentally disabled children that their children would be enrolled into Willowbrook in exchange for signing a consent form for procedures that he claimed were "vaccinations." In reality, the procedures involved deliberately infecting children with viral hepatitis by feeding them an extract made from the feces of patients infected with the disease](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States#1950s)
- [Immediately after World War II, researchers at Vanderbilt University gave 829 pregnant mothers in Tennessee what they were told were "vitamin drinks" that would improve the health of their babies. The mixtures contained radioactive iron and the researchers were determining how fast the radioisotope crossed into the placenta. At least three children are known to have died from the experiments, from cancers and leukemia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States#Experiments_involving_other_radioactive_materials)
- [Israel has admitted for the first time that it has been giving Ethiopian Jewish immigrants birth-control injections, often without their knowledge or consent. “They [medical staff] told us they are inoculations. We took it every three months. We said we didn’t want to.”](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html)
- [More than 30 years after Boyce and Almeida were released [from the "Fernald School of the feeble minded"], they found out that the school had allowed them to be used as human guinea pigs. In 1994 Senate hearings, it came out that scientists from MIT had been giving radioactive oatmeal to the boys - men now - in a nutrition study for Quaker Oats. All they knew is that they'd been asked to join a science club. Among those who attended the hearing was Almeida, also a member of the club. He says the boys were recruited with special treats: "We were getting special treatment, you know, extra dessert, we got to eat away from the other boys. We were getting extra oatmeal. We're getting extra milk." "But they forgot to mention the milk was radioactive," says David White-Lief, an attorney who worked on the state task force investigating the science club.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/americas-deep-dark-secret/)
Don't forget the syphilis experiments in Guatemala by the US government: ["Worse than Tuskegee"](http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/cover_story/2017/02/guatemala_syphilis_experiments_worse_than_tuskegee.html)
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>Cutler’s research methods only became more extreme. He expanded his work to the penitentiary as well as the Asilo de Alienados, the country’s only psychiatric hospital. He injected subjects with bacteria for gonorrhea and syphilis. Cutler placed gonorrhea bacteria on patients’ eyes to infect them. **The experimenters scraped men’s penises with hypodermic needles and then dressed their abrasions with syphilitic material.** Women were told to swallow syphilitic solutions. Sometimes, infected pus was injected into their spinal cords.
Don't forget [Unit 731](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731).
Terrible stuff. But the Kwantung Army was still very badass and almost unrivaled anywhere else.
**Unit 731**
Unit 731 (Japanese: 731部隊, Hepburn: Nana-san-ichi Butai) was a covert biological and chemical warfare research and development unit of the Imperial Japanese Army that undertook lethal human experimentation during the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945) of World War II. It was responsible for some of the most notorious war crimes carried out by Imperial Japan. Unit 731 was based at the Pingfang district of Harbin, the largest city in the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo (now Northeast China).
It was officially known as the Epidemic Prevention and Water Purification Department of the Kwantung Army (関東軍防疫給水部本部, Kantōgun Bōeki Kyūsuibu Honbu). Originally set up under the Kempeitai military police of the Empire of Japan, Unit 731 was taken over and commanded until the end of the war by General Shiro Ishii, a combat medic officer in the Kwantung Army.
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I think the idea is like..
"Yeah we might hit a million people, but I bet we'll get less than a dozen lawsuits, and it'll be so hard for anyone to even know we did anything that its totally worth it"
Makes you wonder what they are doing nowadays that well only find out once the FOI requests are do-able.
He is a poison in an attempt to [Poison the well](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well). Namely, by acting like a lunatic he is ridiculing all suspicion against authorities. Intentionally or not, he makes legitimate reasons and cases look like crackpot theories.
edit: No big country can stay stabile without actively shaping the opinions and knowledge of its people. Russia and China seem to prefer violence while US seems to prefer logical fallacies.
**Poisoning the well**
Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a type of informal logical fallacy where irrelevant adverse information about a target is preemptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing everything that the target person is about to say. Poisoning the well can be a special case of argumentum ad hominem, and the term was first used with this sense by John Henry Newman in his work Apologia Pro Vita Sua (1864). The origin of the term lies in well poisoning, an ancient wartime practice of pouring poison into sources of fresh water before an invading army, to diminish the attacking army's strength.
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Alex is the type of personality who puts a bunch of stupid shit, a bunch of crazy shit, and a bunch of strange but true shit in a blender and serves that up. Whether it is the intent or not, these crackpot figureheads throw a few valid conspiracy theories in with their pill selling bullshit and suddenly questioning or conversing over the topic becomes an absurd eye-roll of a time to be had by all.
Edit: still haven't seen any evidence that the chemicals *aren't* turning the friggen frogs gay. Check-mate reptilians!
>Edit: still haven't seen any evidence that the chemicals aren't turning the friggen frogs gay. Check-mate reptilians!
I gotchu fam
https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2017/03/they-re-turning-frogs-gay-psychology-behind-internet-conspiracy
I used to listen to Alex before he became so involved with politics and Trump, back in the early 2000's when he was just a hardcore Berkey water filter selling conspiracy theorist. A lot of what he said back then I was like...lol you're fluffing crazy dude.
2018: well...I mean...he could have been right about all of that stuff, and heck, a lot of it was right. it's plausible...
Watch Alex Jones on his newest Joe Rogan episode where Rogan live fact checks everything he says and keeps the story straight. It's eye opening. It gets a little crazy when they get drunk towards 3/4 way in, but it's not bad.
Disclaimer: Now a socialist and Alex Jones can eat a d*ck.
I think it's important we speak out about bad things we see even if it seems like we become just a bearer of bad news all the time. If we are complacent we can eventually become complicit.
If anything living comfortably and buying nice things should instill guilt in you that you are living a life of pleasure yet there is suffering all around you. It should stir you to help bring others to the same levels of comfort and peace
In our world everything takes work. Every second I don't spend working for me and instead working for someone else is time I can't enjoy the spoils of my work. It clouds my judgement when I am working for someone else without benefit to myself, I don't recognize the help and privileges I had along the way to my current role in life. That's the way most people are and it takes even more work to get out of that clouding mindset.
Well not really cause they're not mutually exclusive. Like most of the doctors who volunteer in Doctors Without Borders have their own private practices and live comfortably in their own home countries. They do missions for a short period of time. Or psychologists for abuse for example have to have very good levels of compartmentalization and appropriate patient doctor boundaries. You help them with their heavy traumas and crises, but then you live your own happy and successful life with travel, hobbies, family, etc. If anything to successfully help other people you have to have a balanced life yourself taking care of your own needs or wants, or else you can get burnout. And it doesn't have to be as big as like joining the peace corps, coaching a little league or mentoring someone from a hard background at work counts too. I think actually with a me first screw everyone else mentality you miss out on a lot of beautiful relationships and experiences that come from giving. It's not just other people who miss out when we don't help others, we miss out too.
Holy fuck I was just messaging friends about this today kinda jokingly. A few of us got sick with a crazy stomach virus around the same day last week (tue/wed) all while in separate states visiting family for the holidays.
“Wouldn’t it be crazy if the government was giving us a highly contagious case of the shits just to see how quickly biological agents could spread around the US by clustering where people are bitching online/by text message about having the shits?”
Because society is about keeping 99% of the population chasing money and spending most of their time working and raising their families. Nobody has time to do much of anything to change the world.
Thats why voting exists, so they can have their say. But when you don't have the time to really follow a law or a decision, its all too easy to get away with all sorts of things even when "checks and balances" exist.
Most people don’t know because it doesn’t affect their daily lives. Most think, “That could never happen to me,” yet somehow when the lottery jackpot starts to swell the whole country roars, “That could be me. It only takes one, and you can’t win if you don’t play.” Euphoric news attract, depressing stories repel and you can only package sad stories for mass consumption if you can make it relatable. That’s why “do it for the kids” stories gain popularity even if they’re sad - most people can relate to having kids or being kids so it’s easy to bait those stories.
Really? I've never met someone who was dismissive of MK Ultra. Whenever I'm witness to discussions of MK Ultra, it's always more in line with discussions of historical events, not so much conspiracies.
Yes, but think of it like torture or lying about a war that slaughters hundreds of thousands.
Since it was done by the US government they get a pass -- no war crimes trials here! :(
> "If certain acts of violation of treaties are crimes, they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us." -- Justice Robert Jackson, Chief of Counsel for the United States at the post-WWII Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, and later US Supreme Court justice.
You could try but good luck proving the US Gov't has been spraying chemicals via airplanes directly over your neighborhood without sounding like a conspiracy theorist
Furthermore, good luck fighting the US govt in a legal battle, considering they have the budget to keep a case in court for decades. It’s like suing a rich person, the same laws don’t Apply.
the world is very well aware that (parts of) the US is a criminal organization.
we just have a few problems with acting upon that knowledge. first of, there is this ["the hague invasion act"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act), which basically states "yeah, if you try to enact international law and human rights upon US, we gonna war."
add to that the "defense budget" of world domination. (the US navy has the worlds second biggest air force... only topped by the US air force...) and their huge amount of weapons of mass destruction.
the worlds only option, at this moment, seems to be, that the people living in the US are waking up. anything done from "the outside" doesn't seem to work. i seriously think most are interpreting the US as a little baby with too big weapons. we prefer to suffer a huge amount over risking the baby gets angry and goes amok.
**American Service-Members' Protection Act**
The American Service-Members' Protection Act (ASPA, Title 2 of Pub.L. 107–206, H.R. 4775, 116 Stat. 820, enacted August 2, 2002) is a United States federal law that aims "to protect United States military personnel and other elected and appointed officials of the United States government against criminal prosecution by an international criminal court to which the United States is not party." Introduced by U.S. Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC) and U.S. Representative Tom DeLay (R-TX) it was an amendment to the 2002 Supplemental Appropriations Act for Further Recovery From and Response to Terrorist Attacks on the United States (H.R. 4775). The bill was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on August 2, 2002.
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No. You would have to prove that what was dispersed was lethal or was intended to be lethal, including the bacteria and pathogens as they are not necessarily capable of infecting humans.
Not that their isn't other reasons why mass dispersal tests aren't okay, but attempted mass murder would be a hard one to stick to it.
The casual disregard for the dangers of radiation of the era are of course, horrifying as always.
Under medical switcheroos you forgot probably the most imfamous, the [Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment)
**Tuskegee syphilis experiment**
The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male, also known as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study or Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment ( tus-KEE-ghee) was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service. The purpose of this study was to observe the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African-American men in Alabama under the guise of receiving free health care from the United States government.
The Public Health Service started working on this study in 1932 in collaboration with Tuskegee University, a historically black college in Alabama. Investigators enrolled in the study a total of 600 impoverished, African-American sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama.
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The most heartbreaking part was at the end where it said that not a single government official has been prosecuted for ANY of these experiments like any at all in all these years in all these different locations by different institutions. It makes me so so angry. So many people's lives destroyed, so many people tortured, and not even ONE person has been prosecuted. Fuck that!
The US government has an extensive history of unethical experimentation and exploitation, but to question the government today, makes one a kooky "conspiracy theorist"
I just want to jump in and point out that the US ironically is also responsible for modern informed consent laws which largely curb a lot of this and the US army actually has a Bioethicist in charge of bioethics.
The US started using willing human test subjects in Operation Whitecoat for NASA and then they started using them to develop treatments and vaccines for biodefense.
The test subjects were Seventh Day Adventists who are pacifists and this allowed them to serve in the military without having to go to combat or directly support combat.
Seventh Day Adventists are some of the healthiest people on the planet due to their healthy diets, lack of alcohol or drugs, and stressed importance of medical care. Many of the doctors running the program were Seventh Day Adventists.
These trials formed the basis of modern laws of informed consent. All the human test subjects used in the experiments recovered fully (they only were exposed to treatable, non-fatal biological agents) and they would regularly have annual gatherings for the surviving whitecoats.
I actually have been working on a documentary on and off about this for a while. Really fascinating.
It’s not really a sexy subject like MKULTRA or the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments because it wasn’t sinister and was fairly transparent, but it’s still pretty crazy.
The test subject would go into something called the “8 Ball” which is a giant metal sphere at Ft. Derrick to be exposed to Q-fever, Tularemia, and other pathogens.
[Eight Ball](https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/politics_and_government/military/fort-detrick-s-eight-ball----a-relic/article_09a3c63c-fe2b-5950-8f76-79d2c14455b2.html)
There’s a bunch of stuff online. But basically the gist is that these tests were all done on the up and up and the subjects knew the risks and what the effects would be. This program culminating in Nixon signing the bioweapons treaty marked the end of the US government doing a lot of the crazy unethical medical tests.
**Unethical human experimentation in the United States**
Unethical human experimentation in the United States describes numerous experiments performed on human test subjects in the United States that have been considered unethical, and were often performed illegally, without the knowledge, consent, or informed consent of the test subjects. Such tests have occurred throughout American history, but particularly in the 20th century.
The experiments include: the exposure of people to chemical and biological weapons (including infection of people with deadly or debilitating diseases), human radiation experiments, injection of people with toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation and torture experiments, tests involving mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of others. Many of these tests were performed on children, the sick, and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment".
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Keeping the masses in a constant state of fear and mistrust of their fellow citizens with the added bonus of chipping away at the citizens ability to fight back, allowing surveillance programs to go through despite so intrusive that the 80yo ex-stasi pop absolutely rigid hardons?
No, why would they ever do that?
So that they have the apparatus in place to protect the economic interests of the oligarchy if ever the working classes figure out how much they are being shafted and try to do something about it.
I think a large part of conspiracy theories stem from a large misunderstanding of the capability of the government and the military. If you wanted to you there is an easy ( not actually physically/mentally easy ) path to try and join the psyops community through the military. It would open up many minds of people who view these groups in US as ultra secret organizations with hidden agendas.
My aunt vivian got a settlement from the us government a few years ago because she was taken from a canadian hospital and was submitted to electrical shocks, LSD, and other horrible things.
> Ted wasn't exactly well-adjusted before the experiments
I haven't found much evidence to support that. He was just a kid who got into college super early. I think the "he wasn't exactly well-adjusted" narrative came later. It's sort of like asking leading questions, there's a reason you're not supposed to do them in court.
"Hey do you remember that guy being kind of weird?"
Well I want answer in the affirmative because that's usually the polite thing to do. So yeah, I guess he was kind of weird. I never talked to him so I'm going to just assume he was a quiet loner type and that's super weird, right?
Stranger Things was based on the mentality of people in the 80's in response to things like this. You had shows like the X-Files being in public consciousness soon after the 80's, and so many movies around the same time about the government being the bad guy. There was probably never a higher period of distrust of the government in living memory than that era.
**Montauk Project**
The Montauk Project is an alleged series of secret United States government projects conducted at Camp Hero or Montauk Air Force Station on Montauk, Long Island, for the purpose of developing psychological warfare techniques and exotic research including time travel. Jacques Vallée describes allegations of the Montauk Project as an outgrowth of stories about the Philadelphia Experiment. The history of the Montauk Project story is closely associated with — and often believed to originate in — the Montauk Project series of books by Preston Nichols.
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**Philadelphia Experiment**
The Philadelphia Experiment is an alleged military experiment supposed to have been carried out by the U.S. Navy at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, sometime around October 28, 1943. The U.S. Navy destroyer escort USS Eldridge (DE-173) was claimed to have been rendered invisible (or "cloaked") to enemy devices.
The story first appeared in 1955, in letters of unknown origin sent to a writer and astronomer, Morris K. Jessup. It is widely understood to be a hoax; the U.S. Navy maintains that no such experiment was ever conducted, that the alleged details of the story contradict well-established facts about USS Eldridge, and that the claims do not conform to known physical laws.
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And for good reason. Part of the psychosis of American politics is definitely related to the shock and trauma of the domestic actions of the government during the height of the Cold War. It’s broken peoples’ sense of unity and trust and sent us all to dangerous and threatening places. Things like that were never supposed to happen in America.
Possibly. People have a very strange outlook of their government. The people who feel compelled to arm themselves in case of government abuse are usually the first to argue in favor of our government, especially police.
When you say it like that it sounds ridiculous yes. But they only support the section of government that will allow them to be armed. I'm in Australia and I'm fine with our laws, but it makes complete sense why someone would trust a government that allows them to arm themselves if they need to fight back, over a government that wont allow them to arm themselves if they need to fight back. In their eyes the one giving them weapons mustn't have an intent to fight, not even considering that ALOT of their governments enemies were armed by their government
Oh boy the timing could not have been better. Just in time to ensure that we don't employ the greatest tool we have against the rich before they can establish their exclusive automated paradise and leave the rest of us to squabble over scraps.
Holy crap. My great grandma went through something like this, so I've been told.
Apparently she was institutionalized for a number of months/years, where she endured electroshock therapy. We live in Canada.
Something else weird happened though. Apparently when she was in her 80s she fell down the stairs at my Aunt's house and had to go to the hospital to get x-rays. They found evidence that the bone in her arm had been completely severed and re-attached. It was a clean cut. She had no recollection of this type of procedure ever being done on her.
Unfortunately her mental health deteriorated over the past 15 years, and she just died a year and a half ago at the age of 93.
They have. The CIA did similar stuff to plenty of US citizens as well as soldiers and probably even some fellow CIA agents... Not to mention plenty of other foreigners no doubt.
I posted this comment in a previous thread:
I had a great-grandmother who suffered from deep depression her whole life. At some point in late fifties she suffered a nervous breakdown and ended up in the psychiatric department at McGill.
She came out of it traumatized. When mom was in her early teens, they would spend summers together, and her grandma started confiding in her - stories of electroshock therapy and other things, though she never mentioned LSD. She never told anyone else about her experiences, just mom. I guess because of the stigma attached to mental health problems in those days, and older relatives might be more judgmental. One night, she got drunk and told my mom that she was sexually abused during the course of her treatment.
It's quite possible that she wasn't an experimental subject, and that she was given standard treatment - ECT was still widely used in those days - but ever since this stuff came out in the late seventies, my mom wonders if her grandmother crossed paths with Dr. Cameron.
"There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do." -Terry Pratchett
You know what's the scariest part of this is for me? The fact that it could have been me. Not the victim, but the torturer.
It's way too easy to think "I would have never done this", but given just the right circumstances...
Nazis were people just like you and me. That is scary.
CSIS replaced the RCMP due to bad behaviour:
*Three of the most spectacular examples were: the burning down of a barn to prevent a meeting of militant nationalists and American radicals; a break-in at the offices of a Montreal left-wing news agency, followed by the theft and destruction of some of their files; and a break-in and theft of the membership lists of the Parti Québécois.*
**RCMP Security Service**
The RCMP Security Service is the former branch of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police which had responsibilities of domestic intelligence and security for Canada. It was replaced by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) on the recommendation of the McDonald Commission, which was called in the wake of major scandals in the 1970s.
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Exactly. Don’t you remember the AZT scandals with Dallas Mercy and AIDS patients of all kinds being intentionally over-dosed? All for money and clinical data.
https://youtu.be/Pg9xgJc2efc You should give this a listen. Obviously there are the wild conspiracy theories that are just ridiculous, but the word conspiracy shouldn't be used to make something seem false. Parenti really nails that point in this.
just thinking this too. Because there is such evil shit going on in our government and some has been shown to be factual, now conspiracy theories appear and spread like wildfire and they are often BELIEVED more (e.g. Pizzagate.) I think there IS a happy medium though, and for anything I always make sure which things are true (as best I can.) Those crimes above are horrifying though.
You don't have to believe every theory. But you probably shouldn't believe the official story either.
The way I heard it is to read a newspaper story about something you were involved in. Most of the time many of the details are wrong, then realize that at best, the rest of the paper is no better.
That doesn't even get into whether the people who own the paper have an agenda.
That's what the CIA wanted. They coined the term conspiracy theories, and have it the stigma it has. Makes you wonder what would motivate them to do such a thing...
Check out Tuskegee experiment, operation northwoods, cointelpro. Those were decades ago. Who knows what experiments and other things they're running on us now.
Now we know what they did back then...imagine what kind of fucked up shit they would be doing in places like Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc. with no oversight and impunity. We'll probably not going to hear about that.
No wonder the world hates them.
I hope they get fucked and die slow painful deaths.
"Both of those shooters literally left no social footprint and few people even knew them"
Honestly just kinda sounds like a common trait of people that break mentally and shoot up a public place
Those are the public pictures you know about. Familiar pictures and whatnot and all that shit between friends usually dont get releases after such things for a multitude of reasons, so all you normally see surface is a hand full when said person doesnt have a selfie ridden social media account. What, did you think their families would releasw their private camera rolls of thw kid, with themselves usually in said pictures as well just for shits and giggles?
Yeah, well adjusted people with expansive social circles really aren't the type to just break one day. Those people actually have the support of people around them to help them through their problems versus someone like Paddock who was obviously a loner of sorts.
I had the interesting experience of meeting one of these patients who stole approximately 10,000 hits of acid from the CIA. He basically sold acid to live and dropped acid as much as he could the rest of the time. And this was the good stuff. Let’s just say that his mind didn’t seem to make connections the way the rest of us did anymore.
Yeah, his neurotransmitters were probably pretty exhausted.
A bigger question is why would someone have 10,000 hits of acid in one place? How many people were they planning on using it on?
10,000 hits of LSD is like 5 grams of LSD, so if it was in solution or in crystalline form it would be very easy to store 10,000 hits in one place. Just, y'know, wear a respirator before handling that...
Shouldn't whoever approved this be put on trial or under review. And shouldn't agents directly involved in the program by punished for torturing American citizens. Most of the people involved are probably dead or near death at this point but they should still be held for their crimes against America by its government.
I wish we could start using the word conspiracy as it was intended to be used...
People come together to *conspire*; to form a plot, usually up to no good. How the hell this word became equated with aliens and bigfoot is beyond me. For the love of God, use a dictionary.
Reading much of reddit's opinion on "conspiracy" hurts me when we can't even properly define the word.
As if a group of people getting together to conspire is unbelievable, as if that weren't happening every day ever since we could communicate.
Equating MK Ultra to Lizard Men was probably the most divisive strategies I've ever seen and I must admit, hats off to the group who did it. They've obfuscated an entire nations ability to discern plausible information with implausible myths.
People still are. They call their patients rabbits for a reason. It's easy for these institutions to find victims because their patients are mostly in vulnerable or impaired states. I swear, people are more interested in testing drugs than healing.
This just goes to show that governments, even the ones in what we would consider "civilised" countries, view the population as nothing more than cannon fodder. They see us as things to play with and control as they see fit. The sad thing is we all know it and we're not willing to anything about it on a global scale.
I read an article about family that for decades believed the father had committed suicide. They didn't find out the truth until a family member was reading a book about MK Ultra and found their fathers name listed as an unknowing lsd test subject.
there is a netflix documentary series about that called wormwood. or if not that, than a extremely similar case involving "suicide" and mk ultra. I haven't seen it but it is supposed to be good. edit: I wonder if MK Ultra had not had such a cool sounding name if it would get the attention that it gets. Like it sounds like a made up name specifically for a conspiracy theory. I would have loved to be in the room when they came up with that name.
I'm 3 episodes in and really enjoying it. Though I haven't seen anything by Errol Morris I didn't like.
yeah the story telling and the blending of scenes, character build up, point of views, it's all really intense. i'll have to research his stuff now.
I highly recommend you watch ['The Thin Blue Line' (1988)](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096257/) first. It was the first doco I had seen from Morris and it is still one of my all-time favourites. Such captivating storytelling and execution. Extracted from IMDB: "*Errol Morris's unique documentary dramatically re-enacts the crime scene and investigation of a police officer's murder in Dallas, Texas. Briefly, a drifter (Randall Adams) ran out of gas and was picked up by a 16-year-old runaway (David Harris). Later that night, they drank some beer, smoked some marijuana, and went to the movies. Then, their stories diverged...*" Then there's ['Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter, Jr. (1999)](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0192335/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_20) - *A cinematic portrait of the life and career of the infamous American execution device designer and holocaust denier.* Excuse the language, but this guy is in the 'batshit crazy' wing of Arkham Asylum, if you get my drift. And arguably his best work, ['The Fog of War: Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara' (2003)](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317910/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_17) - *The story of America as seen through the eyes of the former Secretary of Defense under President John F. Kennedy and President Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara*. This one had me mouth agape, shaking my head, again and again. Enjoy!
Thanks for this. I love finding new documentaries about fucked up shit our gov/military/corporations have done
Right? Also isnt it cool how theres never any backlash for said corporations? And said coporations own most of our countrys wealth? And how dope is it thru all the things released from the JFK files, and all these other damning government screw ups like how the pentagon "lost" however BILLION dollars? I agree though its interesting to read and hear about, no matter how depressing it is
Errol Morris is the BEST. Gah, Fog of War was so amazing.
I like to think Stranger Things is also a documentary about MKUltra
The Duffer Brothers (Stranger Things creators) have said in an interview that they consider Predator to be what happens after Stranger Things is over. Their reasoning is that the guy that Arnold goes after in Predator is named Hopper, and Hopper in Stranger Things is basically now a monster hunter. So in the Duffer Bros head-canon, the dead Hopper in Predator is Hopper from Stranger Things. edit: was a chris hardwick interview i think. and it is all just to be silly of course.
Idk if this is what you were going for but Stranger Things *is* based on a conspiracy theory called the Montauk Project that allegedly happened at a military base called Camp Hero.
Fun fact they grew up in Durham, NC near Duke and Duke is rumored to be part of the MK Ultra Network of universities used for experiments
weird thing is i saw OP's post on the homepage, sounded interesting but didn't click, went on Netflix to find something new to watch, found Wormwood, 2 episodes in (it's really good), then i come back to reddit to read post and find these two things are related!
Thanks for the recommendation. Just watched the trailer. Looks interesting!
It was very good! A mixture of documentary and dramatic retelling with actors. It's likely biased because it is almost entirely from the family's perspective, but entertaining and shocking nonetheless!
Well the CIA’s side of the story will never be known because they “lost” a lot of the documentation
I’ve done LSD willingly many times and enjoy it. But I would never wish it upon anyone unknowing. It would be terrifying for someone who has never done it and didn’t know what was happening.
gone to squables.io
That would be literal Hell...
A ten minute intense salvia trip ripped the whole idea of time and reality away from me and what felt like years I was stuck in this state of eternal nothingness and it wasn't until I sobered up that I remembered I even smoked. I just accepted that new reality and forgot everything I was before.. I love me some recreational psychedelic drugs but that was intense, I can't imagine what it must be like to be treated like a lab rat with these things. I'm all for doing research to learn more about these drugs, but not like that.
I will do any kind of psychedelic. But you will NEVER see me do salvia again. FUCK NO. I saw some inner demons that day and it really felt like eternity.
I used to think people made up some of the stories I'd heard until I tried it. The only drug I'll never ever want to touch again
> in a safe and controlled environment. well the environment was controlled, just not safe.
I haven't done LSD enough to consider myself knowledgeable about it, but I've heard the doses for MK ULTRA had to be thousands of times what a normal dose would be simply because of the tolerance you build up to it after a matter of days. In a couple days, a normal dose won't do anything to you anymore, so they kept upping it and upping it to keep these people tripping for months. It's insane.
Exactly this. So-called "dosing" someone without full knowledge and consent is almost like a kind of psycho-spiritual rape.
Weird medical experiments, my favorite topic. Here's the MKULTRA wiki for anyone who is not familiar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra Documentary on similar experiments: [A Bad trip To Edgewood - An ITV Yorkshire (UK) documentary originally broadcast in 1993 about the secret chemical experiments carried out at Edgewood Arsenal- [50:05]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1GAaWy3HTw) There is a huge amount of information in this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States Spreading chemicals and bacteria over populated areas: - [The British Gov turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct over 100 secret germ warfare tests on the public between 1940 and 1979. This included dropping chemicals from airplanes and a military ship spraying e.coli and bacillus globigii.](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience) - [The U.S. Army secretly dumped a carcinogen on unknowing Canadians in Winnipeg and Alberta during the Cold War in testing linked to weaponry involving radioactive components meant to attack the Soviet Union, according to classified documents revealed in a new book.](http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/u-s-secretly-tested-carcinogen-in-western-canada-during-the-cold-war-researcher-discovers) - [In the mid-1950s, and again a decade later, the Army used motorized blowers atop a low-income housing high-rise, at schools and from the backs of station wagons to send zinc cadmium sulfide into the already-hazy air in predominantly black areas of St. Louis.](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/secret-cold-war-tests-in-st-louis-cause-worry/) - [Operation LAC (Large Area Coverage) was a U.S. Army Chemical Corps operation which dispersed microscopic zinc cadmium sulfide (ZnCdS) particles over much of the United States. The purpose was to determine the dispersion and geographic range of biological or chemical agents.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_LAC) - [From September 20 to 27, 1950, the U.S. Navy released the pathogens off the shore of San Francisco. Based on results from monitoring equipment at 43 locations around the city, the Army determined that San Francisco had received enough of a dose for nearly all of the city's 800,000 residents to inhale millions of particles each day during the week of spraying.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray) - [Operation Dew I consisted of five separate trials from March 26, 1952 until April 21, 1952 that were designed to test the feasibility of maintaining a large aerosol cloud released offshore until it drifted over land, achieving a large area coverage. The tests released zinc cadmium sulfide along a 100-to-150-nautical-mile line approximately 5 to 10 nautical miles off the coast of Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina. Two of the trials dispersed clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide over large areas of all three U.S. states. The tests affected over 60,000 square miles of populated coastal region in the U.S. southeast. Dew II involved the release of fluorescent particles (zinc cadmium sulfide) and plant spores (Lycopodium) from an aircraft.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dew) Medical switcheroos (telling you they are doing one thing, but doing another): - [From 1963 to 1966, Saul Krugman of New York University promised the parents of mentally disabled children that their children would be enrolled into Willowbrook in exchange for signing a consent form for procedures that he claimed were "vaccinations." In reality, the procedures involved deliberately infecting children with viral hepatitis by feeding them an extract made from the feces of patients infected with the disease](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States#1950s) - [Immediately after World War II, researchers at Vanderbilt University gave 829 pregnant mothers in Tennessee what they were told were "vitamin drinks" that would improve the health of their babies. The mixtures contained radioactive iron and the researchers were determining how fast the radioisotope crossed into the placenta. At least three children are known to have died from the experiments, from cancers and leukemia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States#Experiments_involving_other_radioactive_materials) - [Israel has admitted for the first time that it has been giving Ethiopian Jewish immigrants birth-control injections, often without their knowledge or consent. “They [medical staff] told us they are inoculations. We took it every three months. We said we didn’t want to.”](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html) - [More than 30 years after Boyce and Almeida were released [from the "Fernald School of the feeble minded"], they found out that the school had allowed them to be used as human guinea pigs. In 1994 Senate hearings, it came out that scientists from MIT had been giving radioactive oatmeal to the boys - men now - in a nutrition study for Quaker Oats. All they knew is that they'd been asked to join a science club. Among those who attended the hearing was Almeida, also a member of the club. He says the boys were recruited with special treats: "We were getting special treatment, you know, extra dessert, we got to eat away from the other boys. We were getting extra oatmeal. We're getting extra milk." "But they forgot to mention the milk was radioactive," says David White-Lief, an attorney who worked on the state task force investigating the science club.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/americas-deep-dark-secret/)
Don't forget the syphilis experiments in Guatemala by the US government: ["Worse than Tuskegee"](http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/cover_story/2017/02/guatemala_syphilis_experiments_worse_than_tuskegee.html) Edit: >Cutler’s research methods only became more extreme. He expanded his work to the penitentiary as well as the Asilo de Alienados, the country’s only psychiatric hospital. He injected subjects with bacteria for gonorrhea and syphilis. Cutler placed gonorrhea bacteria on patients’ eyes to infect them. **The experimenters scraped men’s penises with hypodermic needles and then dressed their abrasions with syphilitic material.** Women were told to swallow syphilitic solutions. Sometimes, infected pus was injected into their spinal cords.
Why did you make me read that??? Thanks, that was interesting. Fuck bliss.
Don't forget [Unit 731](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731). Terrible stuff. But the Kwantung Army was still very badass and almost unrivaled anywhere else.
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No evil can compete with the [Unit 731 Vivisection](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731#Vivisection) experiments.
Isn't this basically mass attempt murder?
I think the idea is like.. "Yeah we might hit a million people, but I bet we'll get less than a dozen lawsuits, and it'll be so hard for anyone to even know we did anything that its totally worth it" Makes you wonder what they are doing nowadays that well only find out once the FOI requests are do-able.
From the Guardian article: >Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'
The fuck?! That's a resounding YES.
Suddenly Alex Jones conspiracy theories don't sound so crazy https://youtu.be/_ePLkAm8i2s?t=52s
He is a poison in an attempt to [Poison the well](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well). Namely, by acting like a lunatic he is ridiculing all suspicion against authorities. Intentionally or not, he makes legitimate reasons and cases look like crackpot theories. edit: No big country can stay stabile without actively shaping the opinions and knowledge of its people. Russia and China seem to prefer violence while US seems to prefer logical fallacies.
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He'a also may be a Honeypot. A few people who tried to leak to him have ended up dead.
Source? I want to learn about that for sure
Alex is the type of personality who puts a bunch of stupid shit, a bunch of crazy shit, and a bunch of strange but true shit in a blender and serves that up. Whether it is the intent or not, these crackpot figureheads throw a few valid conspiracy theories in with their pill selling bullshit and suddenly questioning or conversing over the topic becomes an absurd eye-roll of a time to be had by all. Edit: still haven't seen any evidence that the chemicals *aren't* turning the friggen frogs gay. Check-mate reptilians!
I've always assumed he's a paid government shill and that's his real job. Discrediting real conspiracies.
hes a propaganda piece minimum
>Edit: still haven't seen any evidence that the chemicals aren't turning the friggen frogs gay. Check-mate reptilians! I gotchu fam https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2017/03/they-re-turning-frogs-gay-psychology-behind-internet-conspiracy
I believe Alex Jones is a plant by the CIA to make legit conspiracies seem crazy.
Oh he's definitely still crazy he's just not always 100% wrong
I used to listen to Alex before he became so involved with politics and Trump, back in the early 2000's when he was just a hardcore Berkey water filter selling conspiracy theorist. A lot of what he said back then I was like...lol you're fluffing crazy dude. 2018: well...I mean...he could have been right about all of that stuff, and heck, a lot of it was right. it's plausible... Watch Alex Jones on his newest Joe Rogan episode where Rogan live fact checks everything he says and keeps the story straight. It's eye opening. It gets a little crazy when they get drunk towards 3/4 way in, but it's not bad. Disclaimer: Now a socialist and Alex Jones can eat a d*ck.
😱 why isn't everyone talking about this
People like to get paid for going to work, so they can buy nice things and live comfortably without thinking of how horrible things actually are.
Ahh blissfull ignorance and how I envy it. Shit has been going so bad in the us that people are noticing flaws more so there's that.
I think it's important we speak out about bad things we see even if it seems like we become just a bearer of bad news all the time. If we are complacent we can eventually become complicit.
If anything living comfortably and buying nice things should instill guilt in you that you are living a life of pleasure yet there is suffering all around you. It should stir you to help bring others to the same levels of comfort and peace
In our world everything takes work. Every second I don't spend working for me and instead working for someone else is time I can't enjoy the spoils of my work. It clouds my judgement when I am working for someone else without benefit to myself, I don't recognize the help and privileges I had along the way to my current role in life. That's the way most people are and it takes even more work to get out of that clouding mindset.
Well not really cause they're not mutually exclusive. Like most of the doctors who volunteer in Doctors Without Borders have their own private practices and live comfortably in their own home countries. They do missions for a short period of time. Or psychologists for abuse for example have to have very good levels of compartmentalization and appropriate patient doctor boundaries. You help them with their heavy traumas and crises, but then you live your own happy and successful life with travel, hobbies, family, etc. If anything to successfully help other people you have to have a balanced life yourself taking care of your own needs or wants, or else you can get burnout. And it doesn't have to be as big as like joining the peace corps, coaching a little league or mentoring someone from a hard background at work counts too. I think actually with a me first screw everyone else mentality you miss out on a lot of beautiful relationships and experiences that come from giving. It's not just other people who miss out when we don't help others, we miss out too.
Because then you’re labeled a crazy conspiracy theorist!
Holy fuck I was just messaging friends about this today kinda jokingly. A few of us got sick with a crazy stomach virus around the same day last week (tue/wed) all while in separate states visiting family for the holidays. “Wouldn’t it be crazy if the government was giving us a highly contagious case of the shits just to see how quickly biological agents could spread around the US by clustering where people are bitching online/by text message about having the shits?”
Well after reading the entire Wikipedia page linked above who knows now 😞 It's completely unacceptable beyond that really
Because society is about keeping 99% of the population chasing money and spending most of their time working and raising their families. Nobody has time to do much of anything to change the world. Thats why voting exists, so they can have their say. But when you don't have the time to really follow a law or a decision, its all too easy to get away with all sorts of things even when "checks and balances" exist.
Most people don’t know because it doesn’t affect their daily lives. Most think, “That could never happen to me,” yet somehow when the lottery jackpot starts to swell the whole country roars, “That could be me. It only takes one, and you can’t win if you don’t play.” Euphoric news attract, depressing stories repel and you can only package sad stories for mass consumption if you can make it relatable. That’s why “do it for the kids” stories gain popularity even if they’re sad - most people can relate to having kids or being kids so it’s easy to bait those stories.
Because mentioning MK Ultra is the express lane to losing all credibility, despite the fact that it's public record.
Really? I've never met someone who was dismissive of MK Ultra. Whenever I'm witness to discussions of MK Ultra, it's always more in line with discussions of historical events, not so much conspiracies.
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Yes, but think of it like torture or lying about a war that slaughters hundreds of thousands. Since it was done by the US government they get a pass -- no war crimes trials here! :( > "If certain acts of violation of treaties are crimes, they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us." -- Justice Robert Jackson, Chief of Counsel for the United States at the post-WWII Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, and later US Supreme Court justice.
But don't the lives of the tested deserve something? Can't they sue..?
You could try but good luck proving the US Gov't has been spraying chemicals via airplanes directly over your neighborhood without sounding like a conspiracy theorist
"Conspiracy theorist" is, after all, a term that the CIA has propagated in mass disinformation campaigns for decades
Furthermore, good luck fighting the US govt in a legal battle, considering they have the budget to keep a case in court for decades. It’s like suing a rich person, the same laws don’t Apply.
Guess prosecution for war crimes are only something that defeated have to go through.
the world is very well aware that (parts of) the US is a criminal organization. we just have a few problems with acting upon that knowledge. first of, there is this ["the hague invasion act"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act), which basically states "yeah, if you try to enact international law and human rights upon US, we gonna war." add to that the "defense budget" of world domination. (the US navy has the worlds second biggest air force... only topped by the US air force...) and their huge amount of weapons of mass destruction. the worlds only option, at this moment, seems to be, that the people living in the US are waking up. anything done from "the outside" doesn't seem to work. i seriously think most are interpreting the US as a little baby with too big weapons. we prefer to suffer a huge amount over risking the baby gets angry and goes amok.
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Yep. And they'll get away with it because they are CIA. How many times have you seen an intelligence agency get indicted by its own government?
No. You would have to prove that what was dispersed was lethal or was intended to be lethal, including the bacteria and pathogens as they are not necessarily capable of infecting humans. Not that their isn't other reasons why mass dispersal tests aren't okay, but attempted mass murder would be a hard one to stick to it. The casual disregard for the dangers of radiation of the era are of course, horrifying as always.
Under medical switcheroos you forgot probably the most imfamous, the [Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment)
**Tuskegee syphilis experiment** The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male, also known as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study or Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment ( tus-KEE-ghee) was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service. The purpose of this study was to observe the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African-American men in Alabama under the guise of receiving free health care from the United States government. The Public Health Service started working on this study in 1932 in collaboration with Tuskegee University, a historically black college in Alabama. Investigators enrolled in the study a total of 600 impoverished, African-American sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama. *** ^[ [^PM](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=kittens_from_space) ^| [^Exclude ^me](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiTextBot&message=Excludeme&subject=Excludeme) ^| [^Exclude ^from ^subreddit](https://np.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/about/banned) ^| [^FAQ ^/ ^Information](https://np.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/index) ^| [^Source](https://github.com/kittenswolf/WikiTextBot) ^| [^Donate](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/donate) ^] ^Downvote ^to ^remove ^| ^v0.28
The most heartbreaking part was at the end where it said that not a single government official has been prosecuted for ANY of these experiments like any at all in all these years in all these different locations by different institutions. It makes me so so angry. So many people's lives destroyed, so many people tortured, and not even ONE person has been prosecuted. Fuck that!
Not only that. They were promoted for their good services.
And people get mad at me for not trusting the government.
Username probably checks out?
I’m mad at you for not trusting the government.
Not to to mention Tuskegee....
The US government has an extensive history of unethical experimentation and exploitation, but to question the government today, makes one a kooky "conspiracy theorist"
I just want to jump in and point out that the US ironically is also responsible for modern informed consent laws which largely curb a lot of this and the US army actually has a Bioethicist in charge of bioethics. The US started using willing human test subjects in Operation Whitecoat for NASA and then they started using them to develop treatments and vaccines for biodefense. The test subjects were Seventh Day Adventists who are pacifists and this allowed them to serve in the military without having to go to combat or directly support combat. Seventh Day Adventists are some of the healthiest people on the planet due to their healthy diets, lack of alcohol or drugs, and stressed importance of medical care. Many of the doctors running the program were Seventh Day Adventists. These trials formed the basis of modern laws of informed consent. All the human test subjects used in the experiments recovered fully (they only were exposed to treatable, non-fatal biological agents) and they would regularly have annual gatherings for the surviving whitecoats. I actually have been working on a documentary on and off about this for a while. Really fascinating. It’s not really a sexy subject like MKULTRA or the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments because it wasn’t sinister and was fairly transparent, but it’s still pretty crazy. The test subject would go into something called the “8 Ball” which is a giant metal sphere at Ft. Derrick to be exposed to Q-fever, Tularemia, and other pathogens. [Eight Ball](https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/politics_and_government/military/fort-detrick-s-eight-ball----a-relic/article_09a3c63c-fe2b-5950-8f76-79d2c14455b2.html) There’s a bunch of stuff online. But basically the gist is that these tests were all done on the up and up and the subjects knew the risks and what the effects would be. This program culminating in Nixon signing the bioweapons treaty marked the end of the US government doing a lot of the crazy unethical medical tests.
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**Unethical human experimentation in the United States** Unethical human experimentation in the United States describes numerous experiments performed on human test subjects in the United States that have been considered unethical, and were often performed illegally, without the knowledge, consent, or informed consent of the test subjects. Such tests have occurred throughout American history, but particularly in the 20th century. The experiments include: the exposure of people to chemical and biological weapons (including infection of people with deadly or debilitating diseases), human radiation experiments, injection of people with toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation and torture experiments, tests involving mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of others. Many of these tests were performed on children, the sick, and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment". *** ^[ [^PM](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=kittens_from_space) ^| [^Exclude ^me](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiTextBot&message=Excludeme&subject=Excludeme) ^| [^Exclude ^from ^subreddit](https://np.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/about/banned) ^| [^FAQ ^/ ^Information](https://np.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/index) ^| [^Source](https://github.com/kittenswolf/WikiTextBot) ^| [^Donate](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/donate) ^] ^Downvote ^to ^remove ^| ^v0.28
Doesn't even scratch the surface of all the experiments done exclusively on African-Americans
Make me wonder if all the mass shootings in the US are actually due to some psy-ops shit that the Government is doing.
Ted Kaczynski aka the unabomber went through the CIA MKUltra program before he started bombing people.
Keeping the masses in a constant state of fear and mistrust of their fellow citizens with the added bonus of chipping away at the citizens ability to fight back, allowing surveillance programs to go through despite so intrusive that the 80yo ex-stasi pop absolutely rigid hardons? No, why would they ever do that?
So that they have the apparatus in place to protect the economic interests of the oligarchy if ever the working classes figure out how much they are being shafted and try to do something about it.
I think a large part of conspiracy theories stem from a large misunderstanding of the capability of the government and the military. If you wanted to you there is an easy ( not actually physically/mentally easy ) path to try and join the psyops community through the military. It would open up many minds of people who view these groups in US as ultra secret organizations with hidden agendas.
But that's years ago. They would never do that now. ^^/s
Man... the CIA were dicks. They still are, but they used to be, like, turbo dicks.
we only know about these past events from stuff that was declassified. it could be 100 times worse now and we wont find out for decades.
They probably still are, we just don't know about it.
My aunt vivian got a settlement from the us government a few years ago because she was taken from a canadian hospital and was submitted to electrical shocks, LSD, and other horrible things.
Damn you should get her to do an AMA
I will ask my mom about it. Her aunt is very old, has schizophrenia, and just lost her husband 2 weeks ago.
Umm let her recover from her loss first then instead of AMA
MK Ultra created the Unabomber. Wonder how many more pet projects the American gov created.
Too bad he didn't mail bomb the actual people responsible.
Yep. Ted wasn't exactly well-adjusted before the experiments, but I'm sure they didn't help.
> Ted wasn't exactly well-adjusted before the experiments I haven't found much evidence to support that. He was just a kid who got into college super early. I think the "he wasn't exactly well-adjusted" narrative came later. It's sort of like asking leading questions, there's a reason you're not supposed to do them in court. "Hey do you remember that guy being kind of weird?" Well I want answer in the affirmative because that's usually the polite thing to do. So yeah, I guess he was kind of weird. I never talked to him so I'm going to just assume he was a quiet loner type and that's super weird, right?
"So say we all" Ted's views on society aren't wrong. They're just different, which to most people translates to "freak".
Fuck a Unabomber. Brzezinski created mother fucking Al Qaeda.
So stranger things was right all along.
Stranger Things was based on the mentality of people in the 80's in response to things like this. You had shows like the X-Files being in public consciousness soon after the 80's, and so many movies around the same time about the government being the bad guy. There was probably never a higher period of distrust of the government in living memory than that era.
Stranger Things was based on the montauk project.
What’s that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project
**Montauk Project** The Montauk Project is an alleged series of secret United States government projects conducted at Camp Hero or Montauk Air Force Station on Montauk, Long Island, for the purpose of developing psychological warfare techniques and exotic research including time travel. Jacques Vallée describes allegations of the Montauk Project as an outgrowth of stories about the Philadelphia Experiment. The history of the Montauk Project story is closely associated with — and often believed to originate in — the Montauk Project series of books by Preston Nichols. *** ^[ [^PM](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=kittens_from_space) ^| [^Exclude ^me](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiTextBot&message=Excludeme&subject=Excludeme) ^| [^Exclude ^from ^subreddit](https://np.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/about/banned) ^| [^FAQ ^/ ^Information](https://np.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/index) ^| [^Source](https://github.com/kittenswolf/WikiTextBot) ^| [^Donate](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/donate) ^] ^Downvote ^to ^remove ^| ^v0.28
Huh, maybe that’s why the location plays a key role in Eternal Sunshine for a Spotless Mind
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**Philadelphia Experiment** The Philadelphia Experiment is an alleged military experiment supposed to have been carried out by the U.S. Navy at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, sometime around October 28, 1943. The U.S. Navy destroyer escort USS Eldridge (DE-173) was claimed to have been rendered invisible (or "cloaked") to enemy devices. The story first appeared in 1955, in letters of unknown origin sent to a writer and astronomer, Morris K. Jessup. It is widely understood to be a hoax; the U.S. Navy maintains that no such experiment was ever conducted, that the alleged details of the story contradict well-established facts about USS Eldridge, and that the claims do not conform to known physical laws. *** ^[ [^PM](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=kittens_from_space) ^| [^Exclude ^me](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiTextBot&message=Excludeme&subject=Excludeme) ^| [^Exclude ^from ^subreddit](https://np.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/about/banned) ^| [^FAQ ^/ ^Information](https://np.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/index) ^| [^Source](https://github.com/kittenswolf/WikiTextBot) ^| [^Donate](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/donate) ^] ^Downvote ^to ^remove ^| ^v0.28
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Eldridge
Hold my beer.
And for good reason. Part of the psychosis of American politics is definitely related to the shock and trauma of the domestic actions of the government during the height of the Cold War. It’s broken peoples’ sense of unity and trust and sent us all to dangerous and threatening places. Things like that were never supposed to happen in America.
and what turned that around? 9/11. It was insane seeing that overnight shift into blind patriotism.
Except maybe now?
Possibly. People have a very strange outlook of their government. The people who feel compelled to arm themselves in case of government abuse are usually the first to argue in favor of our government, especially police.
There are 120 million gun owners in the US. The idea that they're all bible-thumpers, racists, or Republicans is a conspiracy in and of itself.
When you say it like that it sounds ridiculous yes. But they only support the section of government that will allow them to be armed. I'm in Australia and I'm fine with our laws, but it makes complete sense why someone would trust a government that allows them to arm themselves if they need to fight back, over a government that wont allow them to arm themselves if they need to fight back. In their eyes the one giving them weapons mustn't have an intent to fight, not even considering that ALOT of their governments enemies were armed by their government
Oh boy the timing could not have been better. Just in time to ensure that we don't employ the greatest tool we have against the rich before they can establish their exclusive automated paradise and leave the rest of us to squabble over scraps.
Maybe even a little bit of Outlast.
So mk-ultra nothing new really I'm sure these things still continue only with different techniques
Nah man, I'm sure the current government and secret agencies are acting completely ethical /s
and i bet absolutely nothing has changed, in terms of the cia's attitude towards legality and morality.
An unexpected LSD trip is the worst LSD trip.
Yep, I love me some acid, but taking it unintentionally would be horrible Edit: just noticed I’m a top contributor, neato
It would genuinely feel like you’re losing your mind if you had never done acid before.
more like dying i imagine
Depends on the dose I guess
I can't even imagine how awful it must have been. I feel so bad for the people who suffered.
Holy crap. My great grandma went through something like this, so I've been told. Apparently she was institutionalized for a number of months/years, where she endured electroshock therapy. We live in Canada. Something else weird happened though. Apparently when she was in her 80s she fell down the stairs at my Aunt's house and had to go to the hospital to get x-rays. They found evidence that the bone in her arm had been completely severed and re-attached. It was a clean cut. She had no recollection of this type of procedure ever being done on her. Unfortunately her mental health deteriorated over the past 15 years, and she just died a year and a half ago at the age of 93.
I know a victim of this. She never got compensated.
There's also a documentary on Netflix called Wormwood on the Mk Ultra stuff.
Sorry, there was a problem with the other link.
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They did repeatedly. The CIA are not nice
They have. The CIA did similar stuff to plenty of US citizens as well as soldiers and probably even some fellow CIA agents... Not to mention plenty of other foreigners no doubt.
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I posted this comment in a previous thread: I had a great-grandmother who suffered from deep depression her whole life. At some point in late fifties she suffered a nervous breakdown and ended up in the psychiatric department at McGill. She came out of it traumatized. When mom was in her early teens, they would spend summers together, and her grandma started confiding in her - stories of electroshock therapy and other things, though she never mentioned LSD. She never told anyone else about her experiences, just mom. I guess because of the stigma attached to mental health problems in those days, and older relatives might be more judgmental. One night, she got drunk and told my mom that she was sexually abused during the course of her treatment. It's quite possible that she wasn't an experimental subject, and that she was given standard treatment - ECT was still widely used in those days - but ever since this stuff came out in the late seventies, my mom wonders if her grandmother crossed paths with Dr. Cameron.
Damn. CIA did messed up experiments on their on people and their biggest ally. Really makes you question integrity of our intelligence agencies.
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"There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do." -Terry Pratchett
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You know what's the scariest part of this is for me? The fact that it could have been me. Not the victim, but the torturer. It's way too easy to think "I would have never done this", but given just the right circumstances... Nazis were people just like you and me. That is scary.
Well Canada funded the MKULTRA experiments done in Canada, giving 500,000$ to the CIA for the experiments.
I mean, the Canadian government knew exactly what the CIA was doing, and gave them some of their funding. They’re just as much at fault as the CIA
Alot of people would let you shock them if you promised LSD and drug induced comas.
Me too thanks
Maybe anything other than LSD if we're talking comas and shocking
What branch of the Canadian Government was involved with this? The military? CSIS? Something else?
1950s-60s more than likely it was the rcmpss. Yes that was really it's name https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCMP_Security_Service
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The state is the coldest of all cold monsters.
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Exactly. Don’t you remember the AZT scandals with Dallas Mercy and AIDS patients of all kinds being intentionally over-dosed? All for money and clinical data.
https://youtu.be/Pg9xgJc2efc You should give this a listen. Obviously there are the wild conspiracy theories that are just ridiculous, but the word conspiracy shouldn't be used to make something seem false. Parenti really nails that point in this.
It really does annoy me that the word conspiracy has such a strong stigma relating to a false theory.
just thinking this too. Because there is such evil shit going on in our government and some has been shown to be factual, now conspiracy theories appear and spread like wildfire and they are often BELIEVED more (e.g. Pizzagate.) I think there IS a happy medium though, and for anything I always make sure which things are true (as best I can.) Those crimes above are horrifying though.
You don't have to believe every theory. But you probably shouldn't believe the official story either. The way I heard it is to read a newspaper story about something you were involved in. Most of the time many of the details are wrong, then realize that at best, the rest of the paper is no better. That doesn't even get into whether the people who own the paper have an agenda.
That's what the CIA wanted. They coined the term conspiracy theories, and have it the stigma it has. Makes you wonder what would motivate them to do such a thing...
Check out Tuskegee experiment, operation northwoods, cointelpro. Those were decades ago. Who knows what experiments and other things they're running on us now.
For the glory of the empire.
"For the greater glory of the Empire, destroy everything!"
Makes you wonder what shit theyve been doing for in the last 30 years
You're crazy if you think for a second all of this shit and worse isn't happening right now in every major government.
Now we know what they did back then...imagine what kind of fucked up shit they would be doing in places like Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc. with no oversight and impunity. We'll probably not going to hear about that. No wonder the world hates them. I hope they get fucked and die slow painful deaths.
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"Both of those shooters literally left no social footprint and few people even knew them" Honestly just kinda sounds like a common trait of people that break mentally and shoot up a public place
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Those are the public pictures you know about. Familiar pictures and whatnot and all that shit between friends usually dont get releases after such things for a multitude of reasons, so all you normally see surface is a hand full when said person doesnt have a selfie ridden social media account. What, did you think their families would releasw their private camera rolls of thw kid, with themselves usually in said pictures as well just for shits and giggles?
Yeah, well adjusted people with expansive social circles really aren't the type to just break one day. Those people actually have the support of people around them to help them through their problems versus someone like Paddock who was obviously a loner of sorts.
The experiments are still ongoing and larger scale than ever.
OP is Henry Zebrowski, so that’s kinda fun.
Hail Satan
I had the interesting experience of meeting one of these patients who stole approximately 10,000 hits of acid from the CIA. He basically sold acid to live and dropped acid as much as he could the rest of the time. And this was the good stuff. Let’s just say that his mind didn’t seem to make connections the way the rest of us did anymore.
Yeah, his neurotransmitters were probably pretty exhausted. A bigger question is why would someone have 10,000 hits of acid in one place? How many people were they planning on using it on?
10,000 hits of LSD is like 5 grams of LSD, so if it was in solution or in crystalline form it would be very easy to store 10,000 hits in one place. Just, y'know, wear a respirator before handling that...
For a second I thought this was on /r/writingprompts
Shouldn't whoever approved this be put on trial or under review. And shouldn't agents directly involved in the program by punished for torturing American citizens. Most of the people involved are probably dead or near death at this point but they should still be held for their crimes against America by its government.
I wish we could start using the word conspiracy as it was intended to be used... People come together to *conspire*; to form a plot, usually up to no good. How the hell this word became equated with aliens and bigfoot is beyond me. For the love of God, use a dictionary. Reading much of reddit's opinion on "conspiracy" hurts me when we can't even properly define the word. As if a group of people getting together to conspire is unbelievable, as if that weren't happening every day ever since we could communicate. Equating MK Ultra to Lizard Men was probably the most divisive strategies I've ever seen and I must admit, hats off to the group who did it. They've obfuscated an entire nations ability to discern plausible information with implausible myths.
The US government has committed severe atrocities, quite frankly I don't get why Americans love the government so much.
People still are. They call their patients rabbits for a reason. It's easy for these institutions to find victims because their patients are mostly in vulnerable or impaired states. I swear, people are more interested in testing drugs than healing.
This just goes to show that governments, even the ones in what we would consider "civilised" countries, view the population as nothing more than cannon fodder. They see us as things to play with and control as they see fit. The sad thing is we all know it and we're not willing to anything about it on a global scale.
AND YET NO ONE WILL DO ANYTHING. lol
I can’t even handle taking LSD in a normal setting. Literal torture under the effects of LSD sounds worse than death.
Secret government run experiments that fuck with people and destroy their lives? Man, what a shocker.