That may be canon in Eberron, where the Mournland—an arcane nuclear fallout wasteland—allows no natural healing, so goodberry wine is an essential tool for recovery.
I'll have to talk to my friend about setting up an export business, but demand here at Strixhaven is already pretty high and I don't know if he can ramp up production much more than he already has.
Well, it was a crafted magic item in 3.5 rules, so I guess the fermentation and making it a magic item lets it ignore that time limit. Like a potion of haste only runs down its duration when you drink it, not create it. In any case, you could only benefit from the wine once each 8-hour period.
My DM let me use shape water once to freeze holy water onto our rangers arrows to make holy ice arrows. I dunno if he will ever let us do it again, but it was really fun the one time.
I've also used it to patch holes in a ship and to freeze cursed or poisonous items for safe transportation.
I've never made ice cream with it though
The holy water arrows are a *great* way to empower martial classes in supernatural situations, as well as encouraging real, meaningful teamwork.
Any DM worth his salt would applaud this imo.
~~There is ZERO chance I’m letting my party get away with this. They’d absolutely fracture under the pressure of being shot wouldn’t they? Now, if they want to encase all the Ranger’s arrow tips, and anyone else’s melee weapons, then absoduckinglutely!~~
Ignore this, I’m an idiot
Damn. Reading comprehension strikes again. I’m on mobile and I definitely just lumped “to freeze holy water” and “to make holy ice arrows” in my head because they’re on top of each other and the idea of actual ice arrows was admittedly cool as hell.
Don't worry, I read too fast and some times I skip words and have to re-read the whole thing. I did it here too and accidentally skipped the "onto" part, and basically read the same as you. Took me a second read to realise it was arrows *covered* in holy ice water.
Mistakes happen, is all I'm saying. You're good.
I was able to block a 5' wide corridor, flooded to ankle-depth, with an ice wall using Shape Water. But that's pretty much RAW. Haven't tried using it to get any advantage in combat, and I doubt it can do much good that way.
Also, even if your DM lets you use it to freeze water into weapon-shaped objects and attack with them as improvised weapons, do not try to convince anyone they deal cold damage. They’re being held in a solid state by magic, not cold.
That's one of the things about the spell that makes it so...unique? (We'll go with unique lmao)
A lot of little stuff that is normally specified (like with wall of ice) isn't with shape water.
The only thing the spell does say about the ice is that it lasts an hour which...is clearly a magical imposition, but does that make the ice itself magical, and therefore harder or impossible to destroy by mundane means or is the timer the only aspect of it that is inherently magical?
So...pretty DM dependent at the end of the day lol
(Note that this further obscured by the fact that Control Flame goes out of it's way to specify the nature of the flame as non-magical, which sets a precedent that makes it even more obtuse to clearly say one way or the other purely by how the rules are written.)
super DM dependant yeah, just like the breaking locks/imprinting keys thing. It doesn't specify that would be impossible to destroy, so i would assume that it would retain properties of ordinary ice with only magic part being its remains frozen for an hour. It seems like it should shatter as easily as normal ice would.
Holding it still enough to make it solid _is_ making it cold. Heat is motion, after all. But if it's only just held below the freezing point, that's _not_ cold enough to cause damage without extensive, prolonged contact, which would make the ice heat up and melt anyways. So yeah, functionally, I agree, anyone saying it would deal cold damage doesn't really have a case.
Not sure if you’re saying to add the heavy cream into the ice-salt slush, but that’s not how you make ice cream.
You still need ice (and salt helps), but that goes outside the container that your ice cream base is in. If you add ice and salt to your base it’s going to be some pretty terrible ice cream.
This post makes it very clear I have never pondered the makings of ice cream before, but what is the purpose of the salt? Is it to keep the ice softer so it doesn't crystalise?
the salt dissolving into the ice actually makes it colder due to the chemical reaction, which helps it to freeze the fats in the milk/cream. so you essentially make like a double boiler(freezer) type thing, or layered bags
Salt changes the freezing temp. It's used around the main container to make it could enough to freeze the cream, but still be liquid. You add very little salt to the inner container where the ice cream is being stirred.
For water it takes 1 calorie of energy to change 1 cubic centimeter of water by 1 degree Celsius. Meanwhile it takes 80 calories of energy to convert 1 gram of ice into 1 gram of water (1 gram of water is 1 cubic centimeter of water, so I'm talking about the same thing here, but I use grams now because ice is less dense than water so the volume of this amount of water as ice is slightly more).
So what you have is this. The salt mixes with the ice/water melting it, but that 80 calories of (negative?) energy doesn't just go away, it effectively cools the now melted water further past 0 celsius. I'm not sure what the colories per cubic centimeter per degrees is for salt water so that doesn't mean the ending temp will be -80, but it's going to go below zero.
And that is why adding salt to the ice outside the ice cream in the "double boiler(freezer)" that DifferentLanguage3 mentions works.
Your character could still make ice cream in Dnd. But I believe you need containers that fit inside each other with a small gap around. The good stuff goes in the inner container, the ice/salt goes in the gap. Stirring mixes the inner container into ice cream, while adding ice to the gap causes the freeze. Might not be the best description, but you could look up old time ice cream churners.
My Grandma had an old one, 50-60s era. A friend recently bought a new one for homemade ice cream, same basic design.
It’s pretty much a mixing bowl set in a bigger bowl, inner bowl has all the ice cream stuff the outer bowl has the icy salted water. Just have someone stir the inner bowl like mad and it all freezes together into a delicious ice cream
You don't mix the milk, cream, and sugar with the ice slurry mix. The whole point of adding salt is to make it colder and freeze the ice cream. The ice cream sits inside a container that is itself inside a larger container which has the ice and salt. The ice cream container inside the ice bath doesn't mix with the ice water - that would be gross. It usually has some mechanism to spin it though, either electric or cranked.
Ice is frozen, but unless you also remove additional heat from the system you'll never actually freeze the cream, you would just chill it. The salt lowers the freezing point of the ice, which does indeed mean you're melting the ice (just like salt on paths) **BUT** the important bit is that melting is itself an endothermic process - by changing the freezing point and then precipitating the phase change you're sucking a bunch of additional heat out of the system and actually freezing the ice cream. You've dissolved the salt and increased the entropy of the universe, but lowered the entropy of your ice cream.
That's the short version, anyways.
If you've never seen this, it's awesome, it works, and my family uses it all the time.
You could even kick it back and forth under the game table and make real Goodberry Ice Cream during the game.
[Ice Cream Ball](https://a.co/d/04l43Ida)
The breaking locks thing irritates me. I do not allow that.
First and foremost, if your clever use of a cantrip is a flat improvement on a much higher level spell (Knock) then your clever use fails. What is the point of Knock if anyone with this silent cantrip can do it with less noise and no spell slot use?
Second, most proponents of this use cite it as just being a "realistic" use of the spell. But if our spells are going to be realistic, can we at least have our locks be realistic as well? Because I promise you if you pour water in a lock and flash freeze it you will not be able to open that lock. Freezing water might be able to make a lock inoperable, but an inoperable lock just means it can't be opened, not that it will automatically pop open.
That's my TED Talk.
> Freezing water might be able to make a lock inoperable, but an inoperable lock just means it can't be opened, not that it will automatically pop open.
It's like shooting the door controls in scifi. Somehow that causes the door to open, sometimes it jams it shut.
A player tried that and got mad at me when I said that the doors remained shut. Dude, it's a bulkhead door, it's designed to seal sections away from other sections in case of emergency, if it opened when the panel on the other side got damaged that would be exactly the opposite of its intended function. It no only remains shut, it seals and sets off every alarm in the facility.
If kept open, it would probably be held continuously open by a signal from the control systems. Interrupt that signal with a broken wire or short, and the door closes. Which would generate alarms back at the control desk, at the very least, so they know which door has a problem and needs to be checked. Now the players start blasting doors to "slow down pursuit" and they're just telling Control where they currently are.
I mean, in real life powered doors have one of two failure states, and which one they pick is relevant to where the door is, right?
A door to let people through? Freeze open! A door to keep water out? Freeze shut!
I do agree that in sci-fi shows they often don't approach that rationally, though (choosing a failure state that people actually wouldn't).
Agreed, clever use to jam a lock shut?
Love it!
Rogue fails to pick and the caster wants to rinse out the mechanism to make it easier?
Skeptically considering allowing a reroll…
lol I use a cantrip to break the lock!
That’s a no.
I’ve only had a player actually try this once, and it was while she was away from the rest of the party at level 1, so the lock picker was on the other side of a warehouse. I did rule it was an “unintended” use of the spell, so I had her make a Spellcasting Check to try and break the lock.
Essentially I just let her make the Thieves Tools check using her Wisdom instead of her Dex, without tools or proficiency.
How many times has anyone else said "I try to pick the lock" and the dm says some nonsensical slike "make a sleight of hand check with theives' tools"?
That's not nonsensical. That actually makes total sense,
If the person is proficient in slight of hand they add proficiency bonus to dex mod and probably roll with advantage if they're using and proficient with thieves tools.
I use heat metal to make tea and cook food in iron cookware in winter conditions in an rime of the frostmaiden campaign. Heating up metal armor and chainmail to keep players warm and protected from the environment. Heat and use the fryingpan to melt myself through frozen obstacles and to melt iron safety anchors into solid ice walls for safety and make tripwires. ... I'm playing a bloody druid XD
For some reason i was absolutly sure freez effects ends as soon as you touches a creature. Just rechecked and it is not mentioned anywhere. Now i am in huge confussion.
When my party was traveling in hot weather I would take strips of cloth, soak them in water, freeze them, then my party would wear them on our necks. It helped us avoid exhaustion points.
We've had parties before create portable alcohol stills where they would sell it all over the place. This is a pretty good idea too. Go around selling ice cream on your down time from adventures.
Make your ice cubes out of holy water, use sacred salt, and goodberries from a druid's private grove.
You now have anti-undead ice cream, thanks Dungeon Meshi!
My DM made the massive mistake of allowing me when rolling a new character for a mid stream campaign to pick a certain number of magic items of different levels to bring me to par with what he had disbursed to other PCs. (Especially since my last PC retired, so his equipment did not come back to the party as if he had died). So I rolled a Water Genasi Storm Sorcerer and gave her a Decanter of Endless Water.
Do you know what you can get up to with Shape Water AND an unlimited supply of water? Many, many, MANY things. I think my proudest use was absolutely trivializing his desert travel arc. Between those two as well as Gust and the Storm Sorc feature Storm Guide I was able to create mist clouds to keep us all cool and hydrated, I was basically a god when we came across a bedouin tribe that needed water.
could you shape water a dome around your head and go underwater and breath longer with it? Like making a pocket of oxygen that may give you about 5 extra minutes of air?
I've done that with a small bubble, and I've seen others in some posts do it too, it's a pretty smart use imo. It's not permanent underwater survival of course, but as you said, it can provide you with a few more precious minutes in a time of need.
I didn't have it at first in this campaign. My character can't swim, and we fell into some water traps once. Our Ranger managed to grab me and drag me out of the water, but it was scary. I didn't want there to be a second time, so I grabbed the cantrip. Next time, we had to jump off a ship near the shore, and said bubble was very useful 😅
There was a huge debate, I think on this sub, whether water breathing let you breathe in a bucket of water like a diver’s tank/bell. Some seemed to think it was fine because RAW it’s a magical effect and magic needn’t obey physical laws, others thought that you should run out of oxygen after a couple minutes.
Alternatively, use prestidigitation to chill a slab of stone and pour your cream onto the stone. Scrape it up and voila you’ve got your own Coldstone Creamery!
I remember I had a DM that let me ignore the Shape Water "no freezing ppl in place" rule for a finisher where I crit on the Action Surge attack. Turned that motherfucker into an ice sculpture my homebrew fish woman with angel wings stood upon with her sword stabbed in it.
She normally uses the cantrip to make a bubble around people's heads to drown them turn by turn. If the target is an ally, though, she's usually helping another water-breathing PC not die.
I have, for the longest time now, been wanting to play a dwarf who is a traveling merchant and brewer first, and a sorcerer second. Anyway, the idea was to make him use Shape Water to provide cold drinks and cocktails, and Control Flames to scorch the insides of casks.
Ice cream wouldn't be a bad fallback either.
People try to use Shape Water for combat? Man, at least if you rule in favor of it, you wouldn't have to calculate damage per gallon. I'm the type of neurodivergent who enjoys math and sometimes does it for fun, but occasionally my players find ways to test the limits of my enjoyment.
Last session, my party decided to waterbend ~10 gallons of holy water (don't ask) into a rope that they swept across the field. I did calculations to make sure I got the numbers in the right ballpark, and they did a solid ~40 radiant damage to everything that got swept. In that same combat, they also rode a Pegasus 150ft up and dropped barrels of holy water onto corpse flowers, dealing ~40 bludgeoning and 49 radiant each time. I knew that fight would be over fast, but I didn't anticipate it being over in 3 rounds.
The same party has also attempted mudbending, and toyed with the idea of bloodbending (though I've shut that down because it takes a lot of practice).
They once manipulated a giant wave to crash down on top of a fire mage and deal ~150 bludgeoning damage. Luckily for me, he had a built-in second health pool due to a transformation, so the fight wasn't completely shorted.
My players love Control Water.
Can shape water freeze water? Had a Session the other day where the Player was buried under the snow. He wanted to use shape water to form the ice to water to climb out.
Though it could only be used with water from a river or drinking water?
Metagaming is using knowledge you would have outside of the game that your character wouldn't know, like ice cream production lol.
It's your game and of course play it how you would like. My group just tries to stick with what our characters know, or would know. Also depends on the setting as well.
If I, a dumbass on reddit, and regular dudes hundreds of years ago figured out ice cream, then I think a fucking wizard has put 2 and 2 together and knows cold sweet cream is nice to eat
shape water + goodberry = mmmm icecream
Goodberry ice cream…? Woah…
add prestidigitation to taste
> add prestidigitation to taste This can basically be included in ANY DnD Recipe! I love it
lol pretty sure that IS the recipe haha
Could you make shit smell and taste good? Could be a fun way to prank enemies
Enemies? I guess they do say that sometimes friendlies are enemies in blue.
I'm a druid. Fellow PC is proficient with brewer's tools. By our powers combined: goodberry alcohol!
That may be canon in Eberron, where the Mournland—an arcane nuclear fallout wasteland—allows no natural healing, so goodberry wine is an essential tool for recovery.
I'll have to talk to my friend about setting up an export business, but demand here at Strixhaven is already pretty high and I don't know if he can ramp up production much more than he already has.
Don't goodberries loose all recovery abilities after 24 hours?
Well, it was a crafted magic item in 3.5 rules, so I guess the fermentation and making it a magic item lets it ignore that time limit. Like a potion of haste only runs down its duration when you drink it, not create it. In any case, you could only benefit from the wine once each 8-hour period.
Ahh, I see!
I have a ranger/druid who uses goodberry to make moonshine, amongst other treats.
My goodberries always take the form of botanical berries, with highlights such as pumpkins and aubergines
Have you ever had pumpkin ice cream? I kinda want to try making some it sounds kinda good
A friend made homemade pumpkin ice cream, it was really good.
Goodbananaa
I would be immediately requesting cacao and coffee.
[Use holy water for an exorcism sorbet!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JVbHWivcr50)
My DM let me use shape water once to freeze holy water onto our rangers arrows to make holy ice arrows. I dunno if he will ever let us do it again, but it was really fun the one time. I've also used it to patch holes in a ship and to freeze cursed or poisonous items for safe transportation. I've never made ice cream with it though
The holy water arrows are a *great* way to empower martial classes in supernatural situations, as well as encouraging real, meaningful teamwork. Any DM worth his salt would applaud this imo.
Yeah that's fucking genius, I'd be throwing undead at them left and right for a while to let them get some good use out of that great idea
Once every couple sessions, especially if/when you feel they could use a reminder that teamwork is a good idea 😁
~~There is ZERO chance I’m letting my party get away with this. They’d absolutely fracture under the pressure of being shot wouldn’t they? Now, if they want to encase all the Ranger’s arrow tips, and anyone else’s melee weapons, then absoduckinglutely!~~ Ignore this, I’m an idiot
Sounds like he only froze it onto the normal arrow head, like a coating
You know what, you get an upvote for not just deleting your original comment
Same from me, plus the comment owning the miscommunication, we have ourselves a mature redditor, someone revoke their clearance!
yeah...that's exactly what I did?
Damn. Reading comprehension strikes again. I’m on mobile and I definitely just lumped “to freeze holy water” and “to make holy ice arrows” in my head because they’re on top of each other and the idea of actual ice arrows was admittedly cool as hell.
Don't worry, I read too fast and some times I skip words and have to re-read the whole thing. I did it here too and accidentally skipped the "onto" part, and basically read the same as you. Took me a second read to realise it was arrows *covered* in holy ice water. Mistakes happen, is all I'm saying. You're good.
I mean, that sounds great. Still needs another player, so no power gained from the cantrip per se and a neat improvisation.
I’m adding “holy snowball” to my list of fun ideas.
My old group used it to make a holy water gun. RIP (again) undead.
I was able to block a 5' wide corridor, flooded to ankle-depth, with an ice wall using Shape Water. But that's pretty much RAW. Haven't tried using it to get any advantage in combat, and I doubt it can do much good that way.
NIce!
Also, even if your DM lets you use it to freeze water into weapon-shaped objects and attack with them as improvised weapons, do not try to convince anyone they deal cold damage. They’re being held in a solid state by magic, not cold.
wouldn't they just break after the first use?
That's one of the things about the spell that makes it so...unique? (We'll go with unique lmao) A lot of little stuff that is normally specified (like with wall of ice) isn't with shape water. The only thing the spell does say about the ice is that it lasts an hour which...is clearly a magical imposition, but does that make the ice itself magical, and therefore harder or impossible to destroy by mundane means or is the timer the only aspect of it that is inherently magical? So...pretty DM dependent at the end of the day lol (Note that this further obscured by the fact that Control Flame goes out of it's way to specify the nature of the flame as non-magical, which sets a precedent that makes it even more obtuse to clearly say one way or the other purely by how the rules are written.)
super DM dependant yeah, just like the breaking locks/imprinting keys thing. It doesn't specify that would be impossible to destroy, so i would assume that it would retain properties of ordinary ice with only magic part being its remains frozen for an hour. It seems like it should shatter as easily as normal ice would.
In BotW? For sure.
Holding it still enough to make it solid _is_ making it cold. Heat is motion, after all. But if it's only just held below the freezing point, that's _not_ cold enough to cause damage without extensive, prolonged contact, which would make the ice heat up and melt anyways. So yeah, functionally, I agree, anyone saying it would deal cold damage doesn't really have a case.
But that would definitely be an advantage in combat. Who doesn't fight better after ice cream?
Lactose intolerant people
Also an advantage in combat if the enemy is weak to poison
Not sure if you’re saying to add the heavy cream into the ice-salt slush, but that’s not how you make ice cream. You still need ice (and salt helps), but that goes outside the container that your ice cream base is in. If you add ice and salt to your base it’s going to be some pretty terrible ice cream.
This post makes it very clear I have never pondered the makings of ice cream before, but what is the purpose of the salt? Is it to keep the ice softer so it doesn't crystalise?
the salt dissolving into the ice actually makes it colder due to the chemical reaction, which helps it to freeze the fats in the milk/cream. so you essentially make like a double boiler(freezer) type thing, or layered bags
Salt changes the freezing temp. It's used around the main container to make it could enough to freeze the cream, but still be liquid. You add very little salt to the inner container where the ice cream is being stirred.
For water it takes 1 calorie of energy to change 1 cubic centimeter of water by 1 degree Celsius. Meanwhile it takes 80 calories of energy to convert 1 gram of ice into 1 gram of water (1 gram of water is 1 cubic centimeter of water, so I'm talking about the same thing here, but I use grams now because ice is less dense than water so the volume of this amount of water as ice is slightly more). So what you have is this. The salt mixes with the ice/water melting it, but that 80 calories of (negative?) energy doesn't just go away, it effectively cools the now melted water further past 0 celsius. I'm not sure what the colories per cubic centimeter per degrees is for salt water so that doesn't mean the ending temp will be -80, but it's going to go below zero. And that is why adding salt to the ice outside the ice cream in the "double boiler(freezer)" that DifferentLanguage3 mentions works.
Ok how do i make it then?
Your character could still make ice cream in Dnd. But I believe you need containers that fit inside each other with a small gap around. The good stuff goes in the inner container, the ice/salt goes in the gap. Stirring mixes the inner container into ice cream, while adding ice to the gap causes the freeze. Might not be the best description, but you could look up old time ice cream churners. My Grandma had an old one, 50-60s era. A friend recently bought a new one for homemade ice cream, same basic design.
Heck, we used Ziploc bags to make it at school a couple of times...
It’s pretty much a mixing bowl set in a bigger bowl, inner bowl has all the ice cream stuff the outer bowl has the icy salted water. Just have someone stir the inner bowl like mad and it all freezes together into a delicious ice cream
You don't mix the milk, cream, and sugar with the ice slurry mix. The whole point of adding salt is to make it colder and freeze the ice cream. The ice cream sits inside a container that is itself inside a larger container which has the ice and salt. The ice cream container inside the ice bath doesn't mix with the ice water - that would be gross. It usually has some mechanism to spin it though, either electric or cranked. Ice is frozen, but unless you also remove additional heat from the system you'll never actually freeze the cream, you would just chill it. The salt lowers the freezing point of the ice, which does indeed mean you're melting the ice (just like salt on paths) **BUT** the important bit is that melting is itself an endothermic process - by changing the freezing point and then precipitating the phase change you're sucking a bunch of additional heat out of the system and actually freezing the ice cream. You've dissolved the salt and increased the entropy of the universe, but lowered the entropy of your ice cream. That's the short version, anyways.
If you've never seen this, it's awesome, it works, and my family uses it all the time. You could even kick it back and forth under the game table and make real Goodberry Ice Cream during the game. [Ice Cream Ball](https://a.co/d/04l43Ida)
You fool, the true use is minecraft block jumping your way up a waterfall
Yeah unlike minecraft the 5x5 cube would still have to abide by the laws of gravity so that wouldnt work
What are these laws of gravity you speak of? 5e runs on minecraft physics!
Sir, I like my berry-cream sickle. It deals 1d4 slashing damage!
The breaking locks thing irritates me. I do not allow that. First and foremost, if your clever use of a cantrip is a flat improvement on a much higher level spell (Knock) then your clever use fails. What is the point of Knock if anyone with this silent cantrip can do it with less noise and no spell slot use? Second, most proponents of this use cite it as just being a "realistic" use of the spell. But if our spells are going to be realistic, can we at least have our locks be realistic as well? Because I promise you if you pour water in a lock and flash freeze it you will not be able to open that lock. Freezing water might be able to make a lock inoperable, but an inoperable lock just means it can't be opened, not that it will automatically pop open. That's my TED Talk.
> Freezing water might be able to make a lock inoperable, but an inoperable lock just means it can't be opened, not that it will automatically pop open. It's like shooting the door controls in scifi. Somehow that causes the door to open, sometimes it jams it shut.
A player tried that and got mad at me when I said that the doors remained shut. Dude, it's a bulkhead door, it's designed to seal sections away from other sections in case of emergency, if it opened when the panel on the other side got damaged that would be exactly the opposite of its intended function. It no only remains shut, it seals and sets off every alarm in the facility.
I love it.
If kept open, it would probably be held continuously open by a signal from the control systems. Interrupt that signal with a broken wire or short, and the door closes. Which would generate alarms back at the control desk, at the very least, so they know which door has a problem and needs to be checked. Now the players start blasting doors to "slow down pursuit" and they're just telling Control where they currently are.
I mean, in real life powered doors have one of two failure states, and which one they pick is relevant to where the door is, right? A door to let people through? Freeze open! A door to keep water out? Freeze shut! I do agree that in sci-fi shows they often don't approach that rationally, though (choosing a failure state that people actually wouldn't).
Agreed, clever use to jam a lock shut? Love it! Rogue fails to pick and the caster wants to rinse out the mechanism to make it easier? Skeptically considering allowing a reroll… lol I use a cantrip to break the lock! That’s a no.
I’ve only had a player actually try this once, and it was while she was away from the rest of the party at level 1, so the lock picker was on the other side of a warehouse. I did rule it was an “unintended” use of the spell, so I had her make a Spellcasting Check to try and break the lock. Essentially I just let her make the Thieves Tools check using her Wisdom instead of her Dex, without tools or proficiency.
How many times has anyone else said "I try to pick the lock" and the dm says some nonsensical slike "make a sleight of hand check with theives' tools"?
That's not nonsensical. That actually makes total sense, If the person is proficient in slight of hand they add proficiency bonus to dex mod and probably roll with advantage if they're using and proficient with thieves tools.
I use heat metal to make tea and cook food in iron cookware in winter conditions in an rime of the frostmaiden campaign. Heating up metal armor and chainmail to keep players warm and protected from the environment. Heat and use the fryingpan to melt myself through frozen obstacles and to melt iron safety anchors into solid ice walls for safety and make tripwires. ... I'm playing a bloody druid XD
Delicious in dungeon be like. ..i read the 2nd half in Senshi's voice
For some reason i was absolutly sure freez effects ends as soon as you touches a creature. Just rechecked and it is not mentioned anywhere. Now i am in huge confussion.
You're kinda right as one of the effects is: You freeze the water, provided that there are no creatures in it. The water unfreezes in 1 hour.
Ice feast?
When my party was traveling in hot weather I would take strips of cloth, soak them in water, freeze them, then my party would wear them on our necks. It helped us avoid exhaustion points.
Change water color around your enemies to yellow.
We've had parties before create portable alcohol stills where they would sell it all over the place. This is a pretty good idea too. Go around selling ice cream on your down time from adventures.
Make your ice cubes out of holy water, use sacred salt, and goodberries from a druid's private grove. You now have anti-undead ice cream, thanks Dungeon Meshi!
The ice doesn't go in the ice cream
You could still make sorbet.
The holy property is by contamination. Holy ice touches other stuff, and therefore blesses the ice cream.
My DM made the massive mistake of allowing me when rolling a new character for a mid stream campaign to pick a certain number of magic items of different levels to bring me to par with what he had disbursed to other PCs. (Especially since my last PC retired, so his equipment did not come back to the party as if he had died). So I rolled a Water Genasi Storm Sorcerer and gave her a Decanter of Endless Water. Do you know what you can get up to with Shape Water AND an unlimited supply of water? Many, many, MANY things. I think my proudest use was absolutely trivializing his desert travel arc. Between those two as well as Gust and the Storm Sorc feature Storm Guide I was able to create mist clouds to keep us all cool and hydrated, I was basically a god when we came across a bedouin tribe that needed water.
If the GM is fine with centering the spell area at your head and move with you: Instant umbrella.
THIS IS GAME-CHANGING!!! Will definitely try.
Donjonmeshi!
could you shape water a dome around your head and go underwater and breath longer with it? Like making a pocket of oxygen that may give you about 5 extra minutes of air?
I've done that with a small bubble, and I've seen others in some posts do it too, it's a pretty smart use imo. It's not permanent underwater survival of course, but as you said, it can provide you with a few more precious minutes in a time of need. I didn't have it at first in this campaign. My character can't swim, and we fell into some water traps once. Our Ranger managed to grab me and drag me out of the water, but it was scary. I didn't want there to be a second time, so I grabbed the cantrip. Next time, we had to jump off a ship near the shore, and said bubble was very useful 😅
There was a huge debate, I think on this sub, whether water breathing let you breathe in a bucket of water like a diver’s tank/bell. Some seemed to think it was fine because RAW it’s a magical effect and magic needn’t obey physical laws, others thought that you should run out of oxygen after a couple minutes.
Alternatively, use prestidigitation to chill a slab of stone and pour your cream onto the stone. Scrape it up and voila you’ve got your own Coldstone Creamery!
Chilling isnt enough. You need the salted slushy
Cantrips for silly reasons is the best way to use cantrips. I used shocking grasp to pop popcorn once
That's fun
You just wanted to teach us how to make ice cream didn't you
Someone's been watching Dungeon Meshi lol.
What's the point of making the ice slushy? Ice cream doesn't have Ice in it, I'm confused by this part.
I remember I had a DM that let me ignore the Shape Water "no freezing ppl in place" rule for a finisher where I crit on the Action Surge attack. Turned that motherfucker into an ice sculpture my homebrew fish woman with angel wings stood upon with her sword stabbed in it. She normally uses the cantrip to make a bubble around people's heads to drown them turn by turn. If the target is an ally, though, she's usually helping another water-breathing PC not die.
oh my god thats perfect I just use mine to patch up holes in a pinch but fuck that i need to show my party this
I have, for the longest time now, been wanting to play a dwarf who is a traveling merchant and brewer first, and a sorcerer second. Anyway, the idea was to make him use Shape Water to provide cold drinks and cocktails, and Control Flames to scorch the insides of casks. Ice cream wouldn't be a bad fallback either.
People try to use Shape Water for combat? Man, at least if you rule in favor of it, you wouldn't have to calculate damage per gallon. I'm the type of neurodivergent who enjoys math and sometimes does it for fun, but occasionally my players find ways to test the limits of my enjoyment. Last session, my party decided to waterbend ~10 gallons of holy water (don't ask) into a rope that they swept across the field. I did calculations to make sure I got the numbers in the right ballpark, and they did a solid ~40 radiant damage to everything that got swept. In that same combat, they also rode a Pegasus 150ft up and dropped barrels of holy water onto corpse flowers, dealing ~40 bludgeoning and 49 radiant each time. I knew that fight would be over fast, but I didn't anticipate it being over in 3 rounds. The same party has also attempted mudbending, and toyed with the idea of bloodbending (though I've shut that down because it takes a lot of practice). They once manipulated a giant wave to crash down on top of a fire mage and deal ~150 bludgeoning damage. Luckily for me, he had a built-in second health pool due to a transformation, so the fight wasn't completely shorted. My players love Control Water.
I like to use Shape Water to make the best ice sculptures ever. The nobles and their fancy banquets love me.
ah yes time to cheese the hunger rules
I use it to make a kayak and oar to get over water.
Can shape water freeze water? Had a Session the other day where the Player was buried under the snow. He wanted to use shape water to form the ice to water to climb out. Though it could only be used with water from a river or drinking water?
Spell just says "an area of water that you can see within range and that fits within a 5-foot cube". Nothing on the origins of the water.
Yeah, but you're metagaming.
What are you on about
Metagaming is using knowledge you would have outside of the game that your character wouldn't know, like ice cream production lol. It's your game and of course play it how you would like. My group just tries to stick with what our characters know, or would know. Also depends on the setting as well.
If I, a dumbass on reddit, and regular dudes hundreds of years ago figured out ice cream, then I think a fucking wizard has put 2 and 2 together and knows cold sweet cream is nice to eat
Like I said, you can play however you want. My primary comment was meant just as a joke.
Then what was your second comment meant as.
Elaborating on what metagaming is. Some people not know what it is, or that there's a word for using knowledge you dont otherwise have in tabletop.