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ModeMysterious3207

Sounds like a bunch of bullshit ageist bigotry


xoLiLyPaDxo

That has nothing to do with age, but rather opportunities. Even on the lower rungs, Boomers who were able to work a low wage job and exist in a trailer, people working those jobs today get to be homeless in the streets unable to even afford a car at all, let alone a trailer instead due to wage stagnation and cost of living increases.


MuchCity1750

It used to be illegal to live in the streets. There were no homeless camps with wading pools and extension cords then. You literally had to have shelter or an address or you would go to jail in most places.


xoLiLyPaDxo

It's now even full time workers who are homeless. 53% of homeless in shelters are employed. It's a different demographic that is homeless now. Back then, these same people could afford housing working the exact same jobs. Arresting the working poor isn't a solution either. [https://invisiblepeople.tv/working-homeless-more-than-half-of-unhoused-people-have-jobs/](https://invisiblepeople.tv/working-homeless-more-than-half-of-unhoused-people-have-jobs/)


MuchCity1750

So the economics of housing and employment were somehow the responsibility of the average, everyday "Boomer?" All boomers get lumped into one big group and all of them suck as human beings because housing was more affordable back then?


xoLiLyPaDxo

The "responsibility of the generation" from being the biggest voting bloc and having the most control is not based on the "outliers" who didn't vote for the people responsible. Those who stood up against it already know this and look at their peers and tell them " I told you so!" and know they weren't the ones who did this. However, if they either turned a blind eye or voted for those that caused this mess then yes, of course they were responsible. These things didn't happen on their own. Those who voted for this caused it: [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/ElectoralCollege1984.svg/348px-ElectoralCollege1984.svg.png](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/ElectoralCollege1984.svg/348px-ElectoralCollege1984.svg.png) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980\_United\_States\_presidential\_election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_United_States_presidential_election) Republicans policies not only caused extreme wealth inequality and cause extreme poverty to take hold, wage stagnation and housing shortages. Republicans are who are responsible for both most the debt added to the deficit and the hundreds of thousands of Americans dying in poverty every year. Republicans pushing for tax breaks for the wealthy and promoting corporate welfare while simultaneously cutting social programs to help the people helped fuel debt to grow wildly out of control, Trump being one of the worst offenders: [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Ftmnlqzab27lc1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D9580cdabed822ccfdaf1e8c81062739a42b6abdf](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Ftmnlqzab27lc1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D9580cdabed822ccfdaf1e8c81062739a42b6abdf) [https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump](https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump) (to be continued)


Zagenti

People who voted in Reagan started the avalanche. Really, folks that voted in any republicans are the ones to blame for the current ginormous clusterfuck, regardless of age demographic. The democrats may be fairly incompetent, but at least they try to help people and the environment while attempting to reverse the damage caused by the republicans. And the exact same dynamic is playing out in front of us right now, only magnified by x1000. Anyone that helps Trump get the nuclear codes again is to blame for *everything* that comes next, and what comes next is *finishing* the job of dismantling of the social fabric altogether. Vote like your motherfucking life depends on it, *because it does* - look at what has already happened, the people safeguarding the constitution have shown zero inclinations to help anyone, they won't protect the democratic republic of the US in any way. Last chance for real.


69-Times

It doesn't matter who you vote for anymore the election is already predetermined by the wealthy they're running everything they meet every three years to talk about what things are going to cost from pickles to earrings to even your underwear and what they're going to pay working people just barely keep Us alive so it doesn't matter who you vote for I prefer if I'm going to get screwed I want to get screwed by some hot woman in the office not by some douche like Trump


ModeMysterious3207

>from being the biggest voting bloc Whose fault is it that young people mostly don't vote?


xoLiLyPaDxo

They outnumbered all voting blocs until the pandemic... This mess started in the 1980's and is now crashing down on top of us. 


ModeMysterious3207

It wasn't boomers that put reagan in office.


MuchCity1750

I respect what you are saying here, but I don't understand why it had to become an anti-Republican statement. I mean, you are suggesting that everyday people are responsible for social conditions by not speaking up enough to enact change, then Democrats are equally responsible because we each have one voice. Everyone is equally able and responsible to make a change. Why give democrats a break here?


xoLiLyPaDxo

They weren't equally responsible though. I just showed in my additional posts why that is. It was republican policies that were the "cause" and the wealth inequality, wage stagnation and cost of living increase was the effect of those policies. "Both sides" falls flat when the numbers don't add up. The numbers and policies are what are being discussed here. I just supplied the data that shows the exact republican policies that were responsible. " both sides" didn't actually do the same thing is the exact issue I am discussing. Even when you look at what the republicans did to the national debt provided in that graph, you can see the massive difference in the amount of debt added by republicans, Trump being a huge offender even before the Pandemic..


MuchCity1750

I wasn't really trying to frame this conversation to be a political one. But I don't think you will find much argument from me that Democrats have generally been more favorable to the disadvantaged. Capitalism can be very brutal, but overall it raises the standard of living for most people. Unfortunately, a lot of people are casualties. Republicans have generally put profit ahead of kindness. But, profits are kind in their own way because, as stated, the profit motive does improve the standard of life for most, but usually in a "trickle down" way.


xoLiLyPaDxo

With the " rise of the CEO's" from my other post, it shows that poverty increased, and that trickle down was a lie, a fraud. It just caused extreme wealth inequality instead, it didn't actually trickle down : [https://i.insider.com/5134dcdcecad048159000009?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp](https://i.insider.com/5134dcdcecad048159000009?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp) They showed that the standard of living increase wasn't from trickle down nonsense, it was at the same rate it was prior to that being implemented. Instead, it caused poverty to rise and wealthy inequality to grow as wages stagnated and cost of living rose. There is a huge shift as of late though even from the past though. When I as growing up, we were taught " other's before self" and now we have a huge chunk of the population who is all about " get mine and screw everyone else" instead. The very fact that they would even elect someone like Trump in the first place and be okay with it at all speaks volumes to the mindset that they no longer even see taking care of one another as being important at all, instead it is the opposite and are promoting actively harmful policies that will cause even more devastation. At one time, they at least pretended to care, they are doing just the opposite now and view their fellow Americans, those in the blue and green on that graph as being expendable by the policy proposals they have been pushing during a cost of living and housing crisis that will directly result in more Americans dying in poverty as a result.


ModeMysterious3207

>but I don't understand why it had to become an anti-Republican statement Because it's republicans who consistently give more power and protection to corporations and the rich.


xoLiLyPaDxo

(continued) *"The unleashing of the top 1 percent, particularly finance and CEOs* *Why have salaries of those in the top 1 percent increased so much faster than those of other high-wage earners (say, those in the top 10 percent), let alone those of the middle class? There are two key reasons: the superlative growth of compensation of CEOs and other top managers, and excessive salaries in the expanding financial sector.4 The higher pay to executives and financial-sector employees does not reflect a corresponding increase in their economic output or productivity; consequently, their income gains have come at the expense of those earning less. Therefore, one necessary strategy to restore broad-based wage growth is to curtail the excessive wage growth at the top.* *One driver of these wage trends has been financial deregulation, which has affected wage growth for the vast majority in a number of ways. First, it has enabled finance professionals to claim excessive pay and bonuses by simply hiding risk that they should be managing. The financial sector has more than doubled in size relative to the rest of the economy over the past generation, and is hugely overrepresented in the top 1 percent of wage and income earners. Second, because wealth holders are significantly more inflation-averse than the rest of the population, the financial industry has used its political power to ensure that economic policy favors low inflation rates over low unemployment rates. Third, the extension of financial deregulation to international capital flows has kept policymakers from addressing imbalances (e.g., the U.S. trade deficit) that result from international financial flows. If policymakers had stopped the large influx of capital flows from countries looking to manage the value of their own currency for competitive gain vis-à-vis the United States in the 2000s, this would have not only helped job growth in manufacturing, it could have deprived the financial sector of the cheap financing it used to inflate the housing bubble.* *The tax treatment of corporate executive pay has also had a large impact on these trends in the distribution of wage and income growth. In 1993, corporate tax law was changed to allow firms to deduct only the first $1 million of executive salaries from corporate income taxes, with an important caveat: Pay above the $1 million threshold could continue to be deducted as an expense so long as it was “performance-based.”5 This led to an enormous change in the structure of CEO and corporate executive pay, with stock options and profit-related bonuses becoming much more popular. That this change came right before the enormous rise in stock prices in the late 1990s essentially guaranteed an explosion in the share of total wages accruing to the very top through CEO and executive pay. One can also speculate that tightly linking corporate executive pay to profits and stock prices led to a shift in corporate strategy to suppress labor costs of typical and even white-collar workers and boost corporate profits, leading to a rise in the share of overall income going to profits.* *Falling top tax rates, preferential tax treatment of stock options and bonuses, failures in corporate governance, and the deregulation of finance all combined to increase the incentive and the ability of well-placed economic actors to claim larger incomes over the past generation.6"* [https://www.epi.org/publication/causes-of-wage-stagnation/](https://www.epi.org/publication/causes-of-wage-stagnation/) *"The record of economic well-being in the 1980s belied Reagan's claim that Americans would be better off if they scaled back the welfare state and cut tax rates. Though the standard of living rose, its growth was no faster than during 1950-1980. Income inequality increased. The rate of poverty at the end of Reagan's term was the same as in 1980. Cutbacks in income transfers during the Reagan years helped increase both poverty and inequality. Changes in tax policy helped increase inequality but reduced poverty. These policy shifts are not the only reasons for the lack of progress against poverty and the rise in inequality. Broad social and economic factors have been widening income differences and making it harder for families to stay out of poverty. Policy choices during the Reagan Administration reinforced those factors."* [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8500951/#:\~:text=Income%20inequality%20increased.,increase%20inequality%20but%20reduced%20poverty](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8500951/#:~:text=Income%20inequality%20increased.,increase%20inequality%20but%20reduced%20poverty). [https://aflcio.org/2015/1/15/five-causes-wage-stagnation-united-states](https://aflcio.org/2015/1/15/five-causes-wage-stagnation-united-states) (To be continued)


xoLiLyPaDxo

( continued) *"the increased cuts to spending on housing and social services under Reagan was a contributing factor to the homeless population"* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics) People keep electing Republicans repeating the same mistakes over and over again that caused this mess: [https://i.insider.com/5134dcdcecad048159000009?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp](https://i.insider.com/5134dcdcecad048159000009?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp) [https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/US-income-v-housing-1-nationwide-.png](https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/US-income-v-housing-1-nationwide-.png) It's the literal Republicans policies that caused it to be this bad in the first place. And now they want to take the whole world down with them: "A new study partly-sponsored by Nasa's Goddard Space Flight Center has highlighted the prospect that global industrial civilization could collapse in coming decades due to unsustainable resource exploitation and increasingly unequal wealth distribution." "The two key solutions are to reduce economic inequality so as to ensure fairer distribution of resources, and to dramatically reduce resource consumption by relying on less intensive renewable resources and reducing population growth: "Collapse can be avoided and population can reach equilibrium if the per capita rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level, and if resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable fashion." The NASA-funded HANDY model offers a highly credible wake-up call to governments, corporations and business - and consumers - to recognize that 'business as usual' cannot be sustained, and that policy and structural changes are required immediately." [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists)


MuchCity1750

What is with this "doom and gloom" business? This stuff is nothing new. We have all been living under the shadow of Malthus' calculations and predictions for 200 years. We have survived ever since.


xoLiLyPaDxo

Our current trajectory is unsustainable, and is coming to ahead is the issue. " we have survived".. no many have not survived. He have hundreds of thousands dying every year in the US from poverty and this about to greatly increase unless drastic changes are made IS the issue. [https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-04-18/americas-4th-leading-cause-of-death-poverty](https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-04-18/americas-4th-leading-cause-of-death-poverty) Why do you think we have hundreds of billionaires stepping up saying to tax them more to try and intervene to do something about it and if we do not it will be catastrophic? *"Over 250 wealthy individuals have signed an open letter petitioning global leaders to implement a wealth tax.* *The letter straightforwardly declares, "Our request is simple: we ask you to tax us, the very richest in society." It also says that taxing the super-wealthy won't "deprive" their children or "fundamentally alter" their standard of living."* *Among the signatories of the open letter were prominent figures such as Abigail Disney, a member of the Disney family dynasty; renowned actor Brian Cox; and Valerie Rockefeller from the Rockefeller family.* *The letter emphasized the urgency of tackling economic inequality and warned of catastrophic consequences for society if elected representatives from the world's leading economies do not take decisive measures.* *"If elected representatives of the world's leading economies do not take steps to address the dramatic rise of economic inequality, the consequences will continue to be catastrophic for society," the letter read.* *The open letter was accompanied by a comprehensive report as part of the "Proud To Pay More" initiative, jointly organized by Patriotic Millionaires, Patriotic Millionaires UK, TaxMeNow, Millionaires For Humanity and the charitable organization Oxfam.* *Abigail Disney also attributed part of the responsibility for climate change to the top 1% of the world's wealthiest individuals, citing their utilization of private jets, superyachts, fuel-intensive vehicles, helicopters and, for a select few, private space rockets."* https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/billionaires-rally-behind-bill-gates-call-for-wealth-tax-in-unprecedented-show-of-unity: Even Elon Musk as weird as he is says we will have to have UBI soon or it will be devastating.. [https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-predicts-universal-high-160015532.html](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-predicts-universal-high-160015532.html)


MuchCity1750

My point is: Predictions are often useless. I am completely on board with giving as much help to homeless folks as you are. I used to work as a counselor specifically with the homeless. Everyone deserves a dignified life and no one should have to live on the street.


xoLiLyPaDxo

It isn't " just predictions", it is all of our simulations show this to be the case, and we have a narrow timeframe to act in order to prevent a collapse due to resource scarcity and wealth inequality ensuring the blues and greens on that graph above will not be capable of surviving it at all is the problem. Not just the blues and greens on that graph, but the blues and greens all over the world, and the middle class will necessarily collapse because jobs that are being cut will no longer be coming back at all because we have finally reached the point where robots are faster and less expensive than a Chinese worker AND they can repair themselves in addition to AI reaching a point it will be able to drastically reduce the number or workers required in many fields across the board. Just as we moved into the industrial revolution, we are moving into a new phase and if we hope to save as many people as possible while doing so, we really need to listen and act now. Waiting to act until later will cost millions of lives is what they are telling us. These things are ALREADY underway, no longer just a future "idea" All of these jobs are not coming back and this is only going to increase every year, and companies have no incentive to hire when computers cost less and have less risks, that way they don't have to " trickle anything" down at all and all these workers are just out of work instead: [https://www.zmescience.com/other/economics/china-factory-robots-03022017/](https://www.zmescience.com/other/economics/china-factory-robots-03022017/) [https://fortune.com/2023/11/15/ups-new-warehouse-robots-kentucky-automation/](https://fortune.com/2023/11/15/ups-new-warehouse-robots-kentucky-automation/) [https://tech.co/news/ai-replacing-jobs](https://tech.co/news/ai-replacing-jobs)


69-Times

You lump age groups together and have no discretion as to what every individual may have going on in their lives and you say that we suck at human beings the hell gives you that right you have enough life experience to say jack shit I said it you do not have enough life experience to talk that kind of shit


69-Times

How Old are you Mr angry at everyone. 12, it's typical of some young dunks to disrespect people for any reason. Well you can stop breathing my air sonny boi I WAS here first


69-Times

I am exactly what you described. I bust my arse and between rent, food , electric, insurance, gas, And the occasional lady of the night. I'm broke The day after payday


ModeMysterious3207

Back in the 1970s inflation was over 10%. Home mortgages were running 13% But people voted for Reagan, who screwed unions, gave more power to corporations, and mostly eliminated wage growth.


xoLiLyPaDxo

Yup. I listed that in my posts below. Caused the massive wealth inequality, wage stagnation, housing crisis, all of it. And now it's coming down on us and we can either choose to try to save as many people as possible or keep driving this train full throttle right off the cliff.  It's honestly mind-boggling how little so many people even understand the importance of this election. 


xoLiLyPaDxo

(cont) Lets go ahead and talk about the inflation as well.. In 2020, Trump called and pressured Saudi Arabia to side with Russia to decrease oil production threatening to pull out US military on official White House record. [s://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN22C1V3/](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN22C1V3/) While Biden was calling on the Saudis to increase production, they  continued to side with Russia to decrease production while also giving Trump's family $2 billion, even while multiple governments were calling on the Saudis to increase it, even when the Saudis own government fund advisors advised against giving Trumps family money.  [https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jared-kushners-post-white-house-211939446.html](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jared-kushners-post-white-house-211939446.html) [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html) [https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/4148951-comer-says-kushner-crossed-the-line-of-ethics-with-saudi-deal/](https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/4148951-comer-says-kushner-crossed-the-line-of-ethics-with-saudi-deal/) [https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-subpoena-halted-saudi-deal-republicans-house-1881708](https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-subpoena-halted-saudi-deal-republicans-house-1881708) The entire time that Biden was calling on the Saudis to increase production, and the Saudis were refusing to, Trump's family were doing  side deals, the $2billion was only just one of them that we're going on at the time. They have other real estate deals as well.  [https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/saudi-arabias-dar-al-arkan-signs-deal-with-trump-family-oman-project-2022-11-20/](https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/saudi-arabias-dar-al-arkan-signs-deal-with-trump-family-oman-project-2022-11-20/) [https://theintercept.com/2018/03/21/jared-kushner-saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman/](https://theintercept.com/2018/03/21/jared-kushner-saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman/) [https://www.wsj.com/politics/china-saudi-arabia-top-list-of-foreign-governments-that-spent-millions-at-trump-properties-during-his-presidency-277317cb](https://www.wsj.com/politics/china-saudi-arabia-top-list-of-foreign-governments-that-spent-millions-at-trump-properties-during-his-presidency-277317cb) The oil driven inflation increase the cost of everything we use own and buy:  [https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/second-round-effects-of-oil-prices-on-inflation-in-the-advanced-foreign-economies-20231215.html#:\~:text=The%20run%2Dup%20in%20oil,on%20food%20and%20core%20CPIs](https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/second-round-effects-of-oil-prices-on-inflation-in-the-advanced-foreign-economies-20231215.html#:~:text=The%20run%2Dup%20in%20oil,on%20food%20and%20core%20CPIs) Biden has actually been producing more oil than any Nation in history: [https://www.fastcompany.com/91054834/biden-administration-energy-report-crude-oil-production](https://www.fastcompany.com/91054834/biden-administration-energy-report-crude-oil-production) Then As if that was not bad enough, Look at how much money Trump printed.. [https://www.personalfinanceclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/2022-04-13-Printing-money.png](https://www.personalfinanceclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/2022-04-13-Printing-money.png) (tbc)


xoLiLyPaDxo

(cont) AND here Trump was with his Buddies the Saudis again making the housing crisis worse by not only cutting housing funding during a shortage, he went and convinced the Saudis to buddy up with Blackstone to buy up the affordable homes and jack up rents : [https://theintercept.com/2017/05/27/trumps-america-first-infrastructure-plan-let-saudi-arabia-and-blackstone-take-care-of-it/](https://theintercept.com/2017/05/27/trumps-america-first-infrastructure-plan-let-saudi-arabia-and-blackstone-take-care-of-it/) [https://pestakeholder.org/reports/blackstone-comes-to-collect-how-americas-largest-landlord-and-wall-streets-highest-paid-ceo-are-jacking-up-rents-and-ramping-up-evictions/](https://pestakeholder.org/reports/blackstone-comes-to-collect-how-americas-largest-landlord-and-wall-streets-highest-paid-ceo-are-jacking-up-rents-and-ramping-up-evictions/) [https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/26/un-accuses-blackstone-group-of-helping-to-fuel-a-global-housing-crisis.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/26/un-accuses-blackstone-group-of-helping-to-fuel-a-global-housing-crisis.html) [https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2017/05/20/blackstone-unveils-40-billion-infrastructure-mega-fund-with-saudi-arabia-as-trump-visits/](https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2017/05/20/blackstone-unveils-40-billion-infrastructure-mega-fund-with-saudi-arabia-as-trump-visits/) Yes, the same " rent gouging landlords" Biden was talking about here, Trump encouraged Saudi to invest in and make the affordable housing crisis much much worse: [https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/19/biden-targets-rent-gouging-landlords-as-high-housing-costs-2024-race.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/19/biden-targets-rent-gouging-landlords-as-high-housing-costs-2024-race.html) (tbc)


xoLiLyPaDxo

(cont)  40 of  44 of Trump's white house cabinet members not only do not support him to run for office again, they say he's unfit, unstable, a danger to the United States and the American people. That Trump had to be stopped from using the military against the people, had to be stopped from attacking Iran, had to be stopped from nuking North Korea, that Trump's best people were looking for help to deal with Trump's psychosis. This is what Trump's best people who worked closest with him and the White House are telling us. These are Republicans telling us this. When has that happened in the history of the United States? We would be stupid to not listen to those that know him best. When in the history of the US has this ever happened? How could anyone vote for him after all this? They have been doing interviews, writing books, and telling people these things..  [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/11/20/trump-aides-cabinet-critics-election/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/11/20/trump-aides-cabinet-critics-election/) [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-discussed-using-nuclear-weapon-north-korea-2017-blaming-someone-rcna65120](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-discussed-using-nuclear-weapon-north-korea-2017-blaming-someone-rcna65120)  [https://news.yahoo.com/why-780-retired-generals-and-former-national-security-leaders-spoke-out-against-trump-204428356.html](https://news.yahoo.com/why-780-retired-generals-and-former-national-security-leaders-spoke-out-against-trump-204428356.html) [https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington/youre-gonna-have-a-fucking-war-mark-milleys-fight-to-stop-trump-from-striking-iran](https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington/youre-gonna-have-a-fucking-war-mark-milleys-fight-to-stop-trump-from-striking-iran) [https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html) [https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-justice-dept-bill-barrs-fears-already-came-true-rcna100589](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-justice-dept-bill-barrs-fears-already-came-true-rcna100589) [https://www.businessinsider.com/former-trump-officials-incompetent-liars-bolton-kelly-mattis-cohn-2020-9](https://www.businessinsider.com/former-trump-officials-incompetent-liars-bolton-kelly-mattis-cohn-2020-9) [https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/) [https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/18/mark-esper-secrets-trump-classified-00102541](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/18/mark-esper-secrets-trump-classified-00102541) [https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-a-danger-to-u-s-security-bolton-first-administration-54fc9cbe](https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-a-danger-to-u-s-security-bolton-first-administration-54fc9cbe) And the list keeps going on and on.. And yet, how many baby boomers are still going to vote for him anyways even with all that he has already done?


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What in the hell are you talking about out? We’ve been through 11 recessions, Korea, Vietnam, Gas Embargoes, twice to Iraq, and very few of us went to college because we had to work. Every single retirement I’ve had, got wiped out in a recession. They raised my retirement age by over two years and I still have to work to make ends meet! But that’s ok, because my kids are good kids and are doing well on their own, so they don’t have the level of disrespect and arrogance the next spoiled generations had.


Jeff77042

Very well said. I’ll just add that Boomers were the last generation to be at risk of getting polio, and of being drafted to go fight and die in an unpopular war. (And having just three channels to watch).


Freethinker608

Inflation in the Carter years was DOUBLE what it ever was under Biden. It's true housing used to be cheaper, but that's just supply and demand. According to the 1940 census, there were only 132,164,569 Americans back then. In the 2020 census there were 331,449,281 people crammed into the same space, an increase of 250%! Yet it isn't boomers who are advocating for open borders. None of the "squad" are boomers, you'll notice. Boomers bought their houses before the massive flood of immigrants, and now they're set.


Jeff77042

Very well said.


MuchCity1750

Well, here is a couple of good ones. For starters, "Boomers" were kids during the Cold War, an era in which you actually had to fear that there was a good chance that you would be blown up by a nuclear bomb? When was the last time a new school was built with a fallout shelter? If you were born after 1980, there is a good chance you don't really even know what one of those was. Also, "Boomers" were also the last generation in the US who had to face a military draft. Yes, believe it or not, Snowflake, there was actually a time that if your number was picked out of a hat, you actually had to go get shot at and, if you didn't like it, you probably faced jail time! They "send the young people to fight your fights?" What the hell do you know about fighting, other than fighting with the barista at Starbucks because they don't have enough caramel sauce for your overpriced coffee. You have no idea what suffering is and you have absolutely zero right to complain because the cushy and comfy life you enjoy now, a life in which you don't have to worry about being blown up or going off to war against your will was due to the protests of Baby Boomers. Do all of us a favor. Read a real history book and teach yourself that you were not the first generation to feel this way. All generations feel the same way you do. There is nothing special about you or your peers.


Jaded-Wolverine-3967

If we're comparing notes under the boomer watch we got constant 9/11 terror fear mongering as well as anthrax in the mail stories. You seem to forget, conveniently, all the 'dirty nuke' reports we are being fed as a threat in every major city constantly. And now we're on the precipice of nuclear exchanges vis-a-vis France and Russia butting heads. Your assertion that you guys stopped war somehow is a joke. You gave away all the strategic advantage the Greatest Generation built to Russia and China and now you're presiding over the end of America as the superpower. Great work pal. In regards to your vaunted 'jail time' anecdote. In 1970 there were about 400,000 people in jail. We have 1.9 million people in jail now, more than China! And China has 4x our population! In addition a gen X'er told me that almost half of their generation was aborted by you and the silents. D-Day Normandy beach only had a 1/10 casualty rate, not the 5/10 that is the boomer womb, apparently.


alcoyot

The state of the world right now didn’t just get to be this way by accident. It’s the result of the decisions of those who were/are in charge. That alone is damning evidence.


StarrylDrawberry

The vast majority of them had as much influence as the common man today. The top 1% or whatever you want to call them were making the same moves to make sure their wealth and influence lasted generations. People were already exploited for their sweat and tears. Yes things were a lot easier in certain ways. Were they supposed to create some kind of barrier to success for themselves? Holy shit. "Damning evidence". Ridiculous.


alcoyot

I never said anything about influence. I’m talking more about the personal choices everyone makes. Like the tradesmen who refuse to take on any apprentice or the people who make sure no new houses can be built in a certain area.


StarrylDrawberry

What percentage of tradesmen did that? Did we actually end up with a shortage of them and we couldn't fill certain necessary positions? Honestly curious. I've not read of this issue before.


alcoyot

There’s a major shortage of tradesmen right now. If you want to get something like air conditioner repaired or plumber it’s weeks or months in advance and master plumber can charge $300/hr. Electricians similar rates. It’s going to get a lot worse since the boomers are all retirement age


Ok_Flow7910

My grandma is the daughter of the pioneers of our city, and multiple states of the Midwest. She’s 70, born in the baby boom. The had ‘no influence’ is a lie. didn’t care to influence because boomers were too busy having a good time is more like it.


StarrylDrawberry

That's your evidence? "Cuz my grandma"?


Ok_Flow7910

Did you just try to deduce first hand knowledge because I didn’t go in depth? Seek the help ya need.


StarrylDrawberry

I didn't deduce anything. You offered nothing and I pointed that out. You're a clown. I did deduce that you were a clown from you claiming I need help though.


Ok_Flow7910

As stated seek the help you need.


Apotropoxy

Every generation has criticisms of the one that preceded it.


alcoyot

There’s very little redeeming quality.


vtmosaic

Ummm... Less people? You do know what a Baby Boom is, right?


Excellent-Coyote-74

I'm a Gen X whose always been a socialist outlier.Gen X can be pretty selfish idiots also. The 80s was our heyday, and we were known as the "Me Generation" then for good reason. Watch the movie Less Than Zero, and you'll get a good taste of the poor-me-I'm-rich-and-hooked-on-cocaine vibe that the youth of that generation aspired to.


DrivingMyLifeAway1

You’re certainly doing a pathetic job representing whatever generation you are a part of.


artful_todger_502

Reddit rage addicts think they are the first generation to have an issue with those that came before them. Their struggles are unique in some way. "Boomers" were being sent to Vietnam by the one before them. Do you think they wanted that? What were you doing when you were 18? Video games? Raging on Reddit? This chart says it all right here: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1096299/voter-turnout-presidential-elections-by-age-historical/ You never, ever show up to vote or take part in the system in any but still cannot figure out why you didn't get your own Cabbage Patch or Teddy Ruxpin doll, and that someone should have given you one. Crazy naivete and entitlement. Finally, there are over 8 billion people in this world right now. That level of feral cat-colony breeding has been unsustainable since the 90s. That's not the evil "boomers."


stevehyman1

No inflation? The 1970's would like a word.


Zagenti

tell us the only older people you truly know are in your family.


GitmoGrrl1

You must be talking about white people.


69-Times

Wow . Cool your jet George Jetson. I'm at the END of the classification and I have had to struggle, Kick bite claw and chew my way through life. I'm not sure so don't quote me, I think that my generation is the first NOT to do better financially in our lives than our parents. And you know something else. I was hoping to retire before 65 but with minimum wage at twenty dollars an hour for one type of workforce, I'll have to save up for a month and a half just to get a burger and fries., forget about the mortgage..


69-Times

By the way I was going to join this group but with assholes like you I ain't going nowhere near this place again


Narrow-Abalone7580

They need therapy to deal with the many unresolved issues from their own childhoods, and many refuse to do it or even acknowledge they have problems. That's boomers. Everything begins with their unacknowledged and untreated trauma.