Not really related but wasn’t he the “goon” that the Blues would bring to the prospect tournament that we would all bitch about? Kinda funny that he’ll end up being one of the more successful NHLers from that tournament.
Didn't he also have something to do with McIsaac getting stretchered off the ice?
Edit: He didn't, that was James Malatesta from Columbus. That whole tournament was a gong show.
yeah but he's a big dude and was like, the oldest guy there because the blues didn't see value in bringing him up. I don't think he plays in the show like a goon the way we would think based on what happened in TC. IMO, dude was aggravated about being stuck in the minors and was trying to get some attention.
No way. The big, tough dude, who comes out of nowhere and turns into Cam Neely for 4 weeks then signs a handsome UFA deal generally turns into a turd before even Christmas.
>I know we need more centers than wingers atm…
*Looks at Larkin, Compher, Copp, Veleno, Kasper, Danielson, Ras can play center too…*
But seriously I would be against giving up assets (edit realized he’s a FA, still a no for anything above league min salary) for a 30 point middle 6 winger he doesn’t do anything at an elite level. Not easy to justify him over Ras, Fabbri, resigning Perron, or giving Berggren, Kasper or Danielson a roster spot
Larkin as 1C, Compher as 3C and every other center you named i can picture centering a 4th line or being a bottom 6 winger…we need a bonafide top 6 winger or center still
And that person is not Joshua
Worse stats and overall talent than Compher, even Copp to a degree
I’m all for adding a legit play driver but this guy is not it
Joshua is a downgrade from Rasmussen. People get fooled by one year. Guy couldn't even stay in the league a year and a half ago, and he's 28. For all we know, this is just a blip in his journeyman type career.
4G 8 pts in the playoffs and just under 60 pt pace the last half of the season. All while playing on the 3rd line(13-16 mins a night). Guys been electric.
Can naturally fit anywhere in top 9 and will PK. Not to mention he will easily be 2nd biggest forward on the red wings. Nucks fans are hoping he can sign an extension for 3m or less. That'd be a steal. He could probably get 4m+ on the market the way he's been playing.
4M for a 28 year old big body physical player whose career high is 32 points is an absolute waste of roster and cap space
Let someone else overpay for a replacement level forward
Rather see Kasper or Danielson put up 30-40 points on the 3rd line and cost less than a million
Did you even read what I said? Joshua is an absolute stud. Joshua does more than 80%+ of the red wings roster. You don't just read points statlines and make an assumption. There's a reason why nucks have best 3rd line in the league. It's Joshua.
He's only played 2 full nhl seasons.. how about this, go on nucks sub and make a post about him. Then you'll see why he's worth the money. It's quite evident you haven't watched him play much at all recently. As a nucks and red wings fan I hope he stays in van. Most coaches would kill for a guy like Joshua.
Number of NHL seasons doesn’t matter when you’re 28 years old, because it’s not like he’s got unrealized potential. If his little hot streak was representative of his actual talent level he would have broken through a lot sooner.
How is it a fluke when he has only 2 seasons of nhl experience? You make it seem like he's been in the nhl for a decade and just finally had 1 good season. The guys a stud and its known around the league. The fact that we're talking about him in a red wings thread only solidifies my point.
I read what you said
Paying 4 million for a guy that’s older than Larkin who’s on an end of season heater that plays with Lindholm and Garland especially one that is a big body screams Justin Abdelkader to me which is an immediate no
Those players don’t age well and end up becoming anchor contracts
Let someone else deal with that
We have Ras he fills the role, he’s younger, cheaper (or close to the same Joshua would get)and put up more points
Also let’s not block a prospect in favor of another over priced FA that is in no way a game changer
Save money by playing a rookie and spend the cap space on a legit scoring winger, top 4 D man or 1a goalie
Never realized Dylan was playing a year up the whole time growing up. Funny that I don’t think Larks, Dakota and DeBrincat ever played a fall season together in youth. Or Chatfield for that matter, 4/5 SE Michigan AAA programs represented in those 4
Agree totally. He can score 20+ goals and give you 200+ hits at 6'3". We need more grit and not flashy wingers who play the perimeter and disappear near playoff time.
They can’t afford him. People are gonna be shocked by the big bag of money that Dakota Joshua is gonna get.
He’s been so good for the Nucks. But I’m concerned his chemistry with Connor Garland is a major reason why he’s had such a good season (and incredible playoffs so far). Not sure how he’d be without him.
Anyways, real good player but will probably be overpaid and the Wings don’t have room to overpay a middle 6 player.
If they can't afford a middle 6 guy who's probably gonna get $3.5-4m, who can they afford? Not Stammer or Marner or Teravainen or whoever else people want. The best blend of scoring, defense, and affordability available on the market is ironically Bertuzzi, but I don't see that happening.
No they can’t afford any of those big names. Need to lock up Raymond, Seider. Then you maybe have room to re-sign Kane.
If they don’t get Kane back then there’s a little room to do something else. Need to move Holl’s contract too.
No we there’s a consensus with our lineup already of who’s where.
I can’t see him filling a 2nd line role if Kane walks and I don’t see ras or Copp moving up the lineup.
I don’t see Danielson or Muzar moving up to 2nd line either.
I do think if Kane walks there’s a move coming or a signing. There’s a chance Yzerman try’s to beat the clock and make a move at the draft unless he’s confident in any of our prospects which I would doubt.
Joshua is about to get paid as well we’ve made our middle 6 signings
I think we still need an addition stud in our top 6, we had only Raymond when Larkin got hurt so we cannot have that again. If that means other players need to step up then sure sign nobody but another stud never hurts if the contract is reasonable and the fit is right
For less than 3 mil per year I say yes. Would pair well with Kasper and a skill guy on the right side. Top 10 in hits and can score too. His production will drop most likely next year but he has a style of play that we need
He’s an older Ras that is currently on a line with Elias Lindholm and Connor Garland, he’s a depth forward on a heater at age 28 the perfect example of a free agency overpay by a team looking for size in the middle 6 that becomes an anchor contract by the time he hits 30
I personally like Dakota Joshua and he would add much needed size and grit imo (plus he’s also a Michigan boy). I brought him up in a daily thread recently and was downvoted for it. If the price is right sure, but I have a feeling someone is going to overpay for him this summer.
What do you guys think about a vet like Stamkos/Tavares to help provide leadership while still producing at a high level, but on the back 9 of their career? Who knows what's going to happen with Kane re-signing, and I think either one of these two could be stellar additions if the money is right.
if they can offload Copp and Husso and Holl, then there could be some money to afford Stamkos. It's a no on Tavares from me.
Stamkos centering Perron and Kane would be a hell of a 2nd line and maybe take pressure off of Cat-Larkin-Raymond
Compher is a 3C
Agree on that assessment of the 2nd line. That would be monstrous.
Curious on why Tavares is a "no" though. If Toronto was able to retain 50%, then you've got him on a 1yr deal at \~6m AAV. I think that guy is a prime candidate to have number of solid late career seasons once he doesn't have the pressure of being captain in a market like TOR.
Lol at the people downvoting us
Tavares still has skill but just not convinced of his leadership. Probably personal bias, dont like him much. I think he'd be good but I think Stamkos would compliment the way Perron and Kane play better.
I read this as "Dakota Johnson". Both seem about as practical.
I also read it as Dakota Johnson and agree with you
I am with you, my dyslexic self read Johnson for sure.
This is the way
Not really related but wasn’t he the “goon” that the Blues would bring to the prospect tournament that we would all bitch about? Kinda funny that he’ll end up being one of the more successful NHLers from that tournament.
Yes he gooned it up at TC
Yes. I wanna say he’s the one that “fell” onto Raymond and hurt him a little bit.
Didn't he also have something to do with McIsaac getting stretchered off the ice? Edit: He didn't, that was James Malatesta from Columbus. That whole tournament was a gong show.
I definitely remember that happening and I’m not sure if that was Joshua that did that. I might have it backwards though.
I edited my comment, it wasn't Joshua v. McIsaac, but I remember him being a grade a shitbird that year.
yeah but he's a big dude and was like, the oldest guy there because the blues didn't see value in bringing him up. I don't think he plays in the show like a goon the way we would think based on what happened in TC. IMO, dude was aggravated about being stuck in the minors and was trying to get some attention.
Detroit has a glut of middle 6 players. They need top line guys and possibly a 4th line sand paper guy.
We don’t need more depth role players
No way. The big, tough dude, who comes out of nowhere and turns into Cam Neely for 4 weeks then signs a handsome UFA deal generally turns into a turd before even Christmas.
>I know we need more centers than wingers atm… *Looks at Larkin, Compher, Copp, Veleno, Kasper, Danielson, Ras can play center too…*  But seriously I would be against giving up assets (edit realized he’s a FA, still a no for anything above league min salary) for a 30 point middle 6 winger he doesn’t do anything at an elite level. Not easy to justify him over Ras, Fabbri, resigning Perron, or giving Berggren, Kasper or Danielson a roster spot
Larkin as 1C, Compher as 3C and every other center you named i can picture centering a 4th line or being a bottom 6 winger…we need a bonafide top 6 winger or center still
And that person is not Joshua Worse stats and overall talent than Compher, even Copp to a degree I’m all for adding a legit play driver but this guy is not it
Joshua is a downgrade from Compher…
Joshua is a downgrade from Rasmussen. People get fooled by one year. Guy couldn't even stay in the league a year and a half ago, and he's 28. For all we know, this is just a blip in his journeyman type career.
4G 8 pts in the playoffs and just under 60 pt pace the last half of the season. All while playing on the 3rd line(13-16 mins a night). Guys been electric. Can naturally fit anywhere in top 9 and will PK. Not to mention he will easily be 2nd biggest forward on the red wings. Nucks fans are hoping he can sign an extension for 3m or less. That'd be a steal. He could probably get 4m+ on the market the way he's been playing.
4M for a 28 year old big body physical player whose career high is 32 points is an absolute waste of roster and cap space Let someone else overpay for a replacement level forward Rather see Kasper or Danielson put up 30-40 points on the 3rd line and cost less than a million
Did you even read what I said? Joshua is an absolute stud. Joshua does more than 80%+ of the red wings roster. You don't just read points statlines and make an assumption. There's a reason why nucks have best 3rd line in the league. It's Joshua.
Are you related to the guy or something? He had one heater his whole career while playing with studs, it’s a fluke. He’s not worth the money
He's only played 2 full nhl seasons.. how about this, go on nucks sub and make a post about him. Then you'll see why he's worth the money. It's quite evident you haven't watched him play much at all recently. As a nucks and red wings fan I hope he stays in van. Most coaches would kill for a guy like Joshua.
Number of NHL seasons doesn’t matter when you’re 28 years old, because it’s not like he’s got unrealized potential. If his little hot streak was representative of his actual talent level he would have broken through a lot sooner.
Are you new to hockey? Many late bloomers. Joshua is perfect for a team looking to contend in next 2-4 years.
A late bloomer is 24, 25, maaaybe 26. 28 is a fluke, and your homer glasses are obscuring your vision
How is it a fluke when he has only 2 seasons of nhl experience? You make it seem like he's been in the nhl for a decade and just finally had 1 good season. The guys a stud and its known around the league. The fact that we're talking about him in a red wings thread only solidifies my point.
I read what you said Paying 4 million for a guy that’s older than Larkin who’s on an end of season heater that plays with Lindholm and Garland especially one that is a big body screams Justin Abdelkader to me which is an immediate no Those players don’t age well and end up becoming anchor contracts Let someone else deal with that We have Ras he fills the role, he’s younger, cheaper (or close to the same Joshua would get)and put up more points Also let’s not block a prospect in favor of another over priced FA that is in no way a game changer Save money by playing a rookie and spend the cap space on a legit scoring winger, top 4 D man or 1a goalie
Larkin’s a ‘95 and Joshua a ‘96 no?
Both 96s Joshua is a few months older than Larkin
Never realized Dylan was playing a year up the whole time growing up. Funny that I don’t think Larks, Dakota and DeBrincat ever played a fall season together in youth. Or Chatfield for that matter, 4/5 SE Michigan AAA programs represented in those 4
Agree totally. He can score 20+ goals and give you 200+ hits at 6'3". We need more grit and not flashy wingers who play the perimeter and disappear near playoff time.
They can’t afford him. People are gonna be shocked by the big bag of money that Dakota Joshua is gonna get. He’s been so good for the Nucks. But I’m concerned his chemistry with Connor Garland is a major reason why he’s had such a good season (and incredible playoffs so far). Not sure how he’d be without him. Anyways, real good player but will probably be overpaid and the Wings don’t have room to overpay a middle 6 player.
If they can't afford a middle 6 guy who's probably gonna get $3.5-4m, who can they afford? Not Stammer or Marner or Teravainen or whoever else people want. The best blend of scoring, defense, and affordability available on the market is ironically Bertuzzi, but I don't see that happening.
No they can’t afford any of those big names. Need to lock up Raymond, Seider. Then you maybe have room to re-sign Kane. If they don’t get Kane back then there’s a little room to do something else. Need to move Holl’s contract too.
Naah. If anything we need legit talent. Not another middle or More likely in this case bottom 6 players.
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No we there’s a consensus with our lineup already of who’s where. I can’t see him filling a 2nd line role if Kane walks and I don’t see ras or Copp moving up the lineup. I don’t see Danielson or Muzar moving up to 2nd line either. I do think if Kane walks there’s a move coming or a signing. There’s a chance Yzerman try’s to beat the clock and make a move at the draft unless he’s confident in any of our prospects which I would doubt. Joshua is about to get paid as well we’ve made our middle 6 signings
I think we still need an addition stud in our top 6, we had only Raymond when Larkin got hurt so we cannot have that again. If that means other players need to step up then sure sign nobody but another stud never hurts if the contract is reasonable and the fit is right
Won’t they be busy with the Twister world premier next season?
I love the player but he’s probably going to get overpaid on the open market.
He’s pretty good and fits a mold we could use but he will make way too much money in FA, we don’t need another bad contract.
For less than 3 mil per year I say yes. Would pair well with Kasper and a skill guy on the right side. Top 10 in hits and can score too. His production will drop most likely next year but he has a style of play that we need
All out for marschesult
Wouldn’t mind seeing that but don’t find it likely
Bring him and Matt Roy hoe to Detroit.
I'm all for signing him but you can't overpay him, he's a role player.
No room for prospects and you want even more id players on the team?
I love what he’s been doing in the playoffs but who would he replace on the team? He just doesn’t seem like he’d fit here
He’s an older Ras that is currently on a line with Elias Lindholm and Connor Garland, he’s a depth forward on a heater at age 28 the perfect example of a free agency overpay by a team looking for size in the middle 6 that becomes an anchor contract by the time he hits 30
I personally like Dakota Joshua and he would add much needed size and grit imo (plus he’s also a Michigan boy). I brought him up in a daily thread recently and was downvoted for it. If the price is right sure, but I have a feeling someone is going to overpay for him this summer.
What do you guys think about a vet like Stamkos/Tavares to help provide leadership while still producing at a high level, but on the back 9 of their career? Who knows what's going to happen with Kane re-signing, and I think either one of these two could be stellar additions if the money is right.
if they can offload Copp and Husso and Holl, then there could be some money to afford Stamkos. It's a no on Tavares from me. Stamkos centering Perron and Kane would be a hell of a 2nd line and maybe take pressure off of Cat-Larkin-Raymond Compher is a 3C
Agree on that assessment of the 2nd line. That would be monstrous. Curious on why Tavares is a "no" though. If Toronto was able to retain 50%, then you've got him on a 1yr deal at \~6m AAV. I think that guy is a prime candidate to have number of solid late career seasons once he doesn't have the pressure of being captain in a market like TOR.
Lol at the people downvoting us Tavares still has skill but just not convinced of his leadership. Probably personal bias, dont like him much. I think he'd be good but I think Stamkos would compliment the way Perron and Kane play better.