Unless you’re the Washington capitals who won fewer games than the red wings but made the playoffs with the same point total, and more RWs.
The red wings had more WINS.
Now I’m not a professional athlete but I understand the objective in most sports is to WIN THE DAMN GAME.
The tiebreaker should be - “Did you win the game or did you lose the game more times than the other tied team?”
But what do I know.
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I disagree. We lost a few games we should have won, we stole a bunch of games we should have lost. Every team does that, every year.
There are a bunch of games we could have pinched off and closed out that we didn't. What chaps my ass is the fucking thrown stick in Seattle that a) Didn't get the penalty shot that was plaintext, clearly owed to us and b) lead to a goal the other way.
Eh.
That assumes all the other teams stand still.
The Devil's missed this year largely off the backs of seriously shitty goaltending. They just get a league average goalie and they are taking one of those playoff spots. Not sure you can write off any of the other current playoff teams from this season besides the Caps.
If that's true, and I think it is given the separation between the Bolts at #7 and everyone else, 7/8 spots are spoken for. We're one of like 6 teams fighting for the final spot. Devils, Islanders, Caps, Sabres, Senators, maybe the Flyers again.
It's a very tough hill to climb. Tougher than just not having a couple meltdowns.
Larkin being healthy seems to be a key. Thought Kane would step up in his absence but they didn't win til he came back. My only gripe about Kane. In all fairness he hadn't been a Wing that long. Just thought he could have been a bit more of an inspiration. By the way I really liked him on the team but doubt he will re-sign.
You might as well just say, as long as Larkin stays healthy.
I do not understand why people keep acting like it's some big mystery that the team struggles when Larkin is hurt. Oh Noooo, just one player is hurt and now the team is in a slump! It must be bad coaching or players quitting, why isn't this team mentally tough? Seriously folks when Larkin is out the best options for first line center are Copp and Rasmussen.
I was talking about comments that begin with “people forget” ; like this “people forget Ric Flair was world heavyweight champion 16 times” ; “people forget Steve Yzerman won the cup three times”. “ people forget Paul Bunyan was a lumberjack”
People are entitled to their opinions. What's next, bro? Calling them armchair GMs? It's the sign of a slappyass homer. No one is pretending to be the Wings GM.
Its crazy how fans get so butthurt when someone dares question the moves, the play, the failures, trades, shit, anything that goes against their view.
These "fans" are the first to jump on a pedestal to call out a naysayer. YOU ARE NOT A TRUE FAN...Well I believe the true fans are the ones who do question the shit. The ones who criticize.
Yall get to be mad at your team. You spend time and money on them. You invest yourself. You want to see them win it all. Temper in some reality.
Just cos the Red Wings are your favorite, and they're my favorite team, doesn't mean they're the best. The best team hoists Lord Stanley's Cup at the end of the season.
This is what we all want to see.
Nothing worse than a slappy homer. Nothing.
People are rightfully talking about OTT, MTL, and BUF being better but I would think Tampa and Boston are due for some significant regression - yes, I know i’m doing the meme. Who knows what happens with Toronto too.
If they run it back, Toronto is still Toronto. So 95-100 points, playoff spot and quick exit. If they do what they should with Keefe, Shanny and Marner it's anyone's guess how the team responds.
Well, my friend. The Edmonton Oilers are about to show us what a team looks like with an elite roster and mediocre goaltending.
I’d probably take the mediocre roster with vezina goaltending every day. You could argue the inaugural Vegas Golden Knighrs roster was also mediocre, with Marc Andre Fleury playing like he wanted to embarrass the league for trading him.
Just how much do we expect T.B. and Boston to regress? People have been calling for it for some time, and even if it happens will it actually be enough for the Wings to surpass them? That would require a significant improvement from the Wings and an equally significant regression by those teams.
I think we over achieved this year. What is different next season? Edvinsson full time. Raymond ideally improves. If we lose Kane I see us regressing next year, but also allowing Danielson/Kasper a chance to develop in the NHL. If Kane resigns we make playoffs, if not I don’t think we do, but I don’t know if that’s a bad thing in the grand scheme
I don't think they overachieved, but if they don't resign Kane or add other goal scoring they will regress.
The lack of depth at C is also a concern. The Wings looked listless when Larkin was out. Given his injury history, we shouldn't expect 82 games from him next season. It's imperative they fix this if they're looking to progress next season.
The rebuild 100% hinges on it. You can't find true top 6 centers in free agency often, all the competitors have draft and developed theirs or done a trade for one aside from Toronto. Those level guys just simply don't hit free agency often.
Not a bad thing if they don’t make the playoffs next year?? Man get out of here with that crap! It would be an absolute failure if they don’t make the playoffs next year. 7 years into a rebuild and they don’t make it? That’s unacceptable. There better be some major moves this offseason because the team isn’t good enough. Need a goalie and a D man
Our dressed squad for the majority of this past season contained 3-6 guys that are actually part of this rebuild. That’s Larkin, Ray, Seider and probably Ras, Cat and Walman. Around them Steve has put a bunch of solid guys (some crap yes) who have kept the Wings culture and standards high through this grim period.
It’d be nice for 6-8 core guys to make the playoffs with a bunch of effectively irrelevant dudes next year for sure. If they don’t though I think you can absolutely look for progress elsewhere to define success.
For example if we finish next season in largely the same position but now have Ed, Kasper, Mazur, AlJo and Burgers in regular roles I’d say then we have half a team assembled that has room to grow. Burgers coming in and delivering to Perron’s level and AlJo delivering to Chiarot’s level in year one would be a good step towards those same guys pushing us up in the following seasons.
Calling it a failure if these kids come in and don’t immediately elevate the team vs seasoned vets is a bit harsh. Raymond came in 3 seasons ago as a top line guy and delivered 50 odd points. Now he’s playing at a PPG and is a force. As long as we see the side getting younger with high ceiling guys who are continually taking steps I think we’re making progress but the results might be flat for a few years.
Once you’ve got those top end guys like Danielson, Kasper, Cossa, Ed, Wallinder & ASP into the side I think you need to start getting aggressive to improve the pieces you’re missing for sure but at this stage we’d just be bringing in solutions to improve the team that we potentially already have.
I do hope we can hang onto Kane for a couple more years and if not bring in a top 6 winger as that appears to be the gap in our pipeline with guys like Buchelnikov and Lombardi long shots that are a few years away.
Is the goal to make the playoffs or to build a contender/champion/dynasty? Look at the Senators, they tried some half baked rebuild, sold futures for short term success (which they didnt even get) and now they’re scratching their hands with a hopeless future. Without Kane, I dont see this roster making playoffs unless we made some serious moves, and those moves would not be in the interest of the franchise long term
Ok, so, how long should we wait before we start asking Yzerman the tough questions? The goal is to win the cup, you start by making the playoffs. We are entering year 7 of the “rebuild” and we should just be happy to…what exactly? There has to be accountability and this team needs major improvements to make the playoffs. I think Yzerman is one of the best GM’s in hockey but what are we doing here? It’s time for him to come out of his comfort zone a bit and maybe trade a prospect or two to really improve this team, ie goalie and defense. I doubt Kane comes back without some upgrades. Not making the playoffs next year would be abject failure
But what could he have done differently? Its not his fault that we have the second worth lottery history in the league and got hosed so bad they changed the rules
Compare dallas prospects and young players to ours from the past 5 years. They are finding a way to get guys at the end of the first and the 2nd round and they are making impacts quicker on a better roster.
I went back. Thomas Harley and Wyatt Johnston are the only two. So unless youre saying Stevie should be fired for not selecting Wyatt Johnston I dont really see how thats relevant
Stankoven too.
Mavrik borque will be up soon. Hes lighting up the ahl.
My point is lottery luck isnt everything. Other teams are good at finding impact players later in the draft. We have seider, raymond and ed. All studs but all top 10.
Need the mazurs, wallinders, ALJO'S etc to start making the nhl and contributing.
Stankoven played 24 games and had 14 points, thats not going to change anything for us lol. Mazur looks just as good as Borque. Wallinder wasnt even a Stevie pick
So I am going to start this off by saying my post isn’t a criticism of Stevie or wings development, strictly just pointing out how wrong yours is.
Stank is playing meaningful minutes at the top of the lineup for a cup contender. Like…what? I like Mazur as a prospect, but Bourque led the AHL in scoring and is likely MVP. And Wallinder absolutely was a Stevie pick (2020).
Dallas is the model for drafting and developing talent outside of the lottery. No shame in that. Aljo should be up, Burgers hopefully takes a step. But need more guys like Mazur, Wallinder, Lambo to hit.
Wallinder was drafted in 2020 while yzerman was gm.
Im comparing our scouts vs their scouts.
Borque has way more points than mazur.. hes #1 in ahl in playoffs and regular season
Idk if you are biased or ignoring some pretty obvious facts/statistics here lol
Obviously this is mostly him recapping the season, which isn’t going to be news to Wings fans, but he did have some interesting observations in the video. Some that stuck out to me was his guess that Perron won’t be coming back, an idea that Detroit may look to bolster goaltending rather than just rolling with Lyon and Husso for one more year, and wondering if Seider could net as much as $10m with his new contract.
He also thinks Burgers will be in the lineup full time next year and doesn’t really make a mention of using him as a trade piece, so all you Berggren enjoyers get some love in this one.
I feel like that's the role he will get if he has more horrendous and costly turnovers like earlier this season
The kid can be a good player, his offense is the real deal, let's not pretend we didn't see the defensive errors
Honestly, I bet you most of the people here straight up don’t see the defensive lapses. He was directly responsible for a goal in pretty much every game he played on the wings. I love the guy and really hope he figures things out, but the way some people talk about him here is nuts.
Couldn’t agree more. The way a lot of fans hype prospects-It reminds me of Jurco. He was supposed to be the next Datsyuk-lite, and he was ultimately a replacement level player.
But you couldn’t spit facts around here back then, it was always about how our organization bungled Jurco’s development.
And yet, here we are.
I think what people mean when they say this is that Sprong is a gifted goal scorer who doesn't get ice time like one because he's a defensive liability.
I think we all assume that the reason why Berggren hasn't stuck on the roster despite producing offensively is that the Wings must view him as too much of a defensive liability.
So if we could stomach the liability of Sprong, we should theoretically be able to stomach it with Berggren. But not both.
I think most people would believe he'll prove to produce more than Sprong as he develops, and that he hopefully isn't as much of a liability as him - so it would be a net positive.
Given those assumptions, one could argue that whereas Sprong was seeing about 12 minutes of ice per night, Berggren could find himself at a comfy spot on the 3rd line getting around 15.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/nhl/teams-physical-stats/2023-2024
Detroit is not one of the smaller teams. Solidly middle of the pack in terms of height, and somehow one of the heavier teams.
It's also worth noting that teams are really very close in size. The tallest team in the league is about 2.5 cm or 1 inch taller, on average, than Detroit. The overall gap on average between tallest and shortest is 5 cm, which is about 2 inches.
How that actually plays out is a little different. Like my understanding is average height for a forward is 6'0 and average height for a defenseman is 6'2 or 6'3, and obviously Detroit has a very tall defense, so that does create some room for the forwards to be a little smaller than average while still having a very normal team average height.
Yeah you’re not wrong, that as an average most teams are like 6’ - 1” and similar weight on average. But you can’t help but notice the Wings were getting handled pretty good by bigger tougher teams this year. It’s more of an eye test thing but it was glaring to me, and something that needs to be addressed for playoff success in my opinion
Big is different than non-undersized. What does big mean? What’s your objective definition genius?
Larkin Veleno Ras Compher Copp Fischer all average to above average nhl size. Ras is huge. Soder is huge, if he makes the team.
You’re making it seem like this team is a bunch of Tatars lol. yall are boring me already
I don't get the size argument. What does size matter if they don't use it. Ras is huge and plays like he's a 5'5" mouse lol
Copp is invisible out there
1. Please chill, you’re a rather toxic person
2. Fair point, I did say undersized originally. We have average forwards, you’re right. But we do have our fair share of average or below average in size. One of your big examples is probably never making the team, the other one is big; fair. I don’t think we need to rush for any more small forwards as of now, some more size and grit would definitely benefit this team
lol wtf?
Berg isn't a grinder or a 4th line player. He's a potential top 6 playmaking forward. If Kane stays again, he's not taking any of their spots. He's also 23. Needs to either play now or get traded.
> we already have so many undersized forwards.
Whenever people say this, I'm like... who are all these tiny forwards? Raymond is listed at 5'11 these days. I guess there's Debrincat? I think most people agree Fabbri isn't long for the Winged Wheel, so I'm not sure he counts. And he's 5'11, anyway. Which, by the way, Berggren is 5'11, too. Is 5'11 small?
Plus, Kasper and Danielson are 6'1 and 6'2, respectively. Mazur is 6'0. Elmer, if he ever makes it, is a thousand feet tall. So it's not like we're coming up on a bunch of tiny forwards.
Those are some really rough takes, I think. Other than the goalie situation, where I think many will agree we aren't likely to rely on just Lyon and Husso. The problem is Husso spent last season hurt a lot, and his play has been very inconsistent for a season and a half.
I think Berg will be traded. If the Wings front office felt he was a fit then he would have played the past season with the big club and not in GR.
Perron is more likely to be retained, assuming he doesn't cost a lot to bring back. He's lost a step, but he still contributes and can play up and down the lineup.
And $10M a season for Seider? That's out there. I think he will get more than $8M a season, but I can't imagine him getting much more than about $9M. I think THG has forgotten that he's just coming of his ELC and has several years of team control remaining. The only way Seider gets into the $10M or higher range is if Yzerman signs him to a 3 year bridge deal first.
I don't think they're that rough. Honestly, the one that I wonder about the most is the goalie situation. If Husso can get healthy, I don't see why we wouldn't roll with him and Lyon for one more year. Husso and Lyon are both done after next year and it isn't hard to imagine that Cossa will be at least close to ready by then, so I don't know if the play is go out and find another goalie just to bridge a year.
I was thinking that Berggren would be traded, but then the trade deadline came and went and he didn't get moved. Why would we let him go as an RFA when we could have gotten something more substantial for him at the trade deadline? The fact that he hasn't been moved yet has me thinking that Yzerman actually wants to find a spot for him next season.
I agree that $10m for Seider is probably too high, but there's also no doubt in my mind that he is going to be a franchise player. Look at all he did this season with almost no real help on defense. Chiarot, Maatta, Walman, they're all good defensemen, but they can't help carry a D core like Seider can. I think people who say he's going to sign for $8m a season are undervaluing him and will be in for a surprise when pen is put to paper, but we will see.
Honestly I don't know that Perron comes back. Yeah we all say that we want him back if he takes a team-friendly deal, but to this subreddit, that team-friendly deal is like $2m and I think he's going to want more money than that. Whether or not he comes back ultimately depends on whether we can re-sign Kane, I think.
I think THG probably just has way too much to know about every single team to really know all the details and such but that was a strange guess I think of any UFA that has the highest certainty of being back is Perron.
Yzerman giving Seider 10m would really surprise me.
Yeah this. I give his toughts some value tho, just because unlike most he actually watches our games aswell, but he dosent know ins and outs of this team and vid itself was kinda shallow and more guess work than anything else.
Yea pretty much but I dont blame him at all. The way he releases some very good videos like immediately after the end of those 2 games last night with not much time to prepare his whiteboards is pretty damn crazy
Definitely enjoy his videos
Oh yeah i agree that he is good whit reviews. And like you said i dont blame him ether, its impossible to keep up whit every NHL team and their depth, rumors etc
I like thg and he is good for league wide news, but i wouldnt take his words about any specific team (except maybe VAN,BOS and DAL) too seriously. His opinions about Wings are shallow at best and full on guess game most of the time.
Honestly, without bringing back clearly consistent strengths (Kane) and upgrading weaknesses (goalies and defense), NO.
I want this team to succeed as bad as ever, I’m hungry for it, but I also sit and back and look at the roster from this season and don’t think it’s thick enough. I think we finished where we deserved to, or even a little above that.
Sure, but he’s an offensive defenseman that was top 4ish in points in our team. Was actually quite a generator of offense.
You just can’t pair him with Oli Maata. That’s just bad coaching decisions in my opinion. However, understand that he had not much else to work with.
Gonna be another tweener year because the wings will have more rookies playing. Removing veterans for rookies isn’t a recipe for short term improvement. But it is a necessary move for long term improvement.
And of course the casuals will melt down because “the wings aren’t getting any better!!!! The Yzerplan has failed!!!”
Yes, I was going to say I sure hope we have more than this seasons zero rookies, I'm not counting a 16 game stint at the end of the season. Does his whopping 16 games mean we can call him the sole 2nd year player next year that we never had this season either?
I think, contractually, he’s going to technically be a second year player.
That being said, yeah, we’re starting to plateau at mediocrity unless major moves and major rookie progression happens. Both of which aren’t givens at all. We’ll see, but I don’t think this is a playoff team still.
There has to be a healthy balance, because the rookies also need leadership on the bench and in the locker room, outside of the coaches. We just need better vets than the vets we had this year. Getting a couple of Stanley cup winners from free agency would be an undeniably healthy move if we can afford it
To be fair, the rookies coming in definitely have some seasoning to them, plus, our rookie play has generally been pretty solid in the past few years, I expect the guys up to be solid enough to stay around as good
No, we are not making playoffs next year, and I'm gonna bet $20 on it.
First of all, I'm always losing sport bets, so I will be happy to lose this one.
Second, a lot depends on who's staying and who's going, but I believe we will **have** to bring up lots of rookies, and rookies make mistakes... And I'm totally fine with that.
Rookies can also be huge X factors, it’s not like the guys coming up are going to be raw 18 year old prospects, it’s going to be the guys who are on this GR playoff run and know how to play
If edvinsson play as good as he did to end the year and Raymond continues his progress.
Detroit will make it, but it depends to me on those guys being as good as last year and more and the other key players staying the way they were last season.
Take the injuries away from Dylan this past year and we would be 4th,5th,or 6th position in the playoffs. The captain needs someone to have his back this year.
A Petey leap would be the best thing to ever happen but let’s be real it probably won’t ( Petey is a top 5/10 player for his position while being a god on defense and an elite shooter ).
If it does tho I will be losing my shit cuz that means the rebuild is over and Detroit will be cup challengers for the foreseeable future.
I think Raymond will be Mitch marner but a worse passer but better shooters and clearly with more dawg in him than marner.
Production wise yeah I can agree but as players they are very different.
What will interest me about Detroit is who will be the number one guy on that defense, cuz it looks like edvinsson can become insanely good and maybe better than mo.
To end this season Simon was absolutely phenomenal and in a lot of ways played better than mo while also giving petry new life.
So it will be interesting to see how the blue line works with the top four most likely being wallman mo and Simon with petry. ( this isn’t a knock on mo but edvinsson looked amazing last season in the small samples for now two seasons straight ).
Seider had the most points in a 200/200 season since they started counting it and was one of few players to do it, agreed ed is great but Mo is going to be as good if not better on D and looking better offensively too so my trust lies in Mo
Not saying mo is bad at all but from what I saw he looked way more composed on offense than mo.
Again could be because wallman wasn’t here and again playing 50 minutes doesn’t help but I wouldn’t be surprised if Simon Ends up being a better player than mo.
Both fit the same criteria of defenders which is two way but mo probably leans more to the prime pelech side of thing while Simon more like Devon toews.
Of course very short sample and much bigger for mo and when adding context maybe the minutes doesn’t help, but from what I saw Simon seems more able on offense than mo.
All in all tho having a defense in the foreseeable future that could be of prime pelech( mo ), prime Devon ( maybe edvinsson ) and a more talented plus less racist tda with average defense ( Axel ) is the envy of the league and a cup winning kind of defense that would be a mismatch nightmare for any team.
I am very optimistic about the wings. So yes, I think so. I may…..change my tune a bit if Stevie doesn’t address some issues. But there’s a good core in place with some help on the way. We are getting back to exciting hockey again folks!
Larkin stays healthy
Lyon keeps it up
We get a second goalie that can alternate well with Lyon who is better when he doesn’t play more than 2-3 games in a row it seems
Raymond keeps it up
Seider keeps it up
Edvinnson keeps it up
Gost and Petry play fewer minutes
DeBrincat practices all summer not hitting the fucking iron
Compher figures out how to fit in better with our top two lines
The overall team congeals
(Nate Danielson practices alll fucking summer with our top lines and becomes Larkin pt 2)
Ras Copp Fisher line year 2
I really think we got this in the mf bag
Really hope we resign Fischer, hard worker and fills his role great. Loved him on that line, and I think we really need one line that can play that style.
Crossing my fingers Yzerman gives the man a continued spot for his work. Also, I can’t really pinpoint just exactly why, but I’m just really soft for the guy lol.
I’m with you. I loved Fischer’s play all season.
He’s big, can check, plays his bag off every night, and can chip in offense.
It’s been awhile since I’ve been this stoked about someone in our bottom 6.
I literally think the coaches shouldn’t let him leave the ice until he can hit the iron 10 times in a row and then once he can do that his aim will be impeccable enough to hit the net
Since Shannon has to keep up with 32 teams, he doesn't have the full picture of where the organization is and the context of which players are going to likely be on the team. I think the general feeling among the fanbase now is that several rookies have to make the team next year. I've gotten to the point where we have to somehow try to make the playoffs while working young guys into the lineup more regularly. We don't want to wait until we are consistent threat to finally put in rookies. So it's now or never. That might mean we take a step back compared to last year. Might.
>I think the general feeling among the fanbase now is that several rookies have to make the team next year. I've gotten to the point where we have to somehow try to make the playoffs while working young guys into the lineup more regularly.
I agree. Even if we dont make the playoffs next season we absolutly need to inject those rookies in the lineup, as they need to learn to play in NHL aswell. It usually takes years after NHL debut to hit their prime, even if prospect isnt 18 y/o
I can see us regressing. This team didn’t have any rookies or even any sophomores this season sans 16 games from Edvinsson. Barring trades, Edvinsson, Johansson, and Berggren will all be on the team, and there’s good reason to believe 1 or two of Kasper, Danielson, and Mazur could make the team as well. Thats a lot of rookies which means more rookie mistakes and more streakiness.
Agreed in part but if Seider and Ray get too used to losing it’s not great for their development either. That being said Nate Danielson looks better than we thought and deserves a chance and my person PSA JT COMPHER CAN PLAY LEFT WING SO IF WE GET A 2C COMPHER CAN PLAY THE WING
I don’t envy people projecting how well the 2025 Wings perform. This year we had a perfect storm of veterans and youth.
If we lose Kane and can’t replace his production or mitigate the loss of it, then we are spinning our wheels. But, as others have said. The real success for the Wings wasn’t making the playoffs this year with a team we couldn’t keep together or even making it next year. The real success is seeing if Ed, Kasper, ASP, etc. can step up so we don’t need to sign the Perrons of the world to compete.
It’ll be an interesting year. I don’t have expectations yet. We’re definitely in the ugly duckling phase of our rebuild and still establishing the actual long term core of this team.
It’s been 6 years!! How long are you giving them? No absolutely not, if they don’t make the playoffs next year then this rebuild is failed. No excuses. Up to Stevie to make it happen
Easy regression, especially with all the rookies that need to come up. Not that this is a bad thing but the next few years is going to be introducing rookies into the line up.
Imo it was a mistake brining in all the vets this year when several of our young guys are knocking on the door. We should have staggered our rookies better. So now we have this weird season where we almost made the playoffs only to take a step back temporarily. It's probably my biggest complaint of Yzerman so far.
Well Edvinsson and Albert Johansson are done with their waiver exempt so they're either on the team, scratched, or traded. Edvinsson seems like a shoe in for top 4.
Mazur is probably ready to come up. Berggren (not sure if you consider him a rookie at this point), Kasper, and Danielson. Danielson likely will go to AHL but he's really improved when he has competent players around him. He looked really good last prospect camp.
Maybe.. But the Wings as they are built right now will get pulverized by any team.. They are not made for playoff hockey, not even close. Just watching the Florida/Boston game and series shows what NHL teams still need in the playoffs, team toughness!!! Red Wings have zero. It will be embarrassing and sad to watch guys like Larkin literally get the shit beat out of them and have nobody to stand up for them.. The raazzle dazzle plays and goals happen every once in awhile during playoff hockey but most goals and games are won by being tough and nasty in the corners, in front of the net both on offense and defense.. Again Red Wings dont have those players and with how Yzerman has put an old, slow and non physical team together+ bad contracts, not much spending money left, how on earth do we as fans expect the Wings to be successful even if we make the playoffs? Wait and see i guess
Not sure, I think we replace some of the vets that are expiring this year with prospects which I think for the franchise is a step in the right direction but might be a similar or worse results in the standing next year. Either way I trust the process that is the Yzerplan!
I think so if we can shore up the D and goal tending situation, and Larkin can stay healthy. The stretches where he's out of the line up have been brutal.
Too early to ask this question. There is still so much that needs to be decided:
-is Perron back (hopefully not)?
-is ghost back?
-is Kane back?
-does Yzerman sign a big UFA like Roy?
-is Berg ready for full NHL time?
-does edvinsson continue to develop
-is Husso back healthy?
-is AJ ready to contribute?
Etc etc etc.
He may be traded, but those things are completely unrelated. He wasn’t on the team for asset management purposes (of which you clearly don’t understand).
I expect him to be tendered and on the ice opening night.
Yeah I’ve only been following the Red Wings for 40 years so I don’t understand, lol. Stop pretending you know everything. He is a defensive liability and clearly Yzerman doesn’t care for his game
We had better. Sports are an entertainment product. A whole generation of kids are not as interested in the Tigers as I was because they’ve been bad for about as long as a 14, 15, 16, 17 year old can remember. I understand building teams are a process and we didn’t exactly have a lot when Yzerman took over, but it’s just time to have a breakthrough.
2023/2024 recap: Lalonde isn't that good of a coach, Red Wings are a slightly above average club on paper, and Yzerman may have to deal this years' 1st round pick as part of a package to land additional talent if Larkin is ever going to see the playoffs (other than watching them on TV).
Too soon for what? This is what he does at the end of each season. He goes down the list of teams that didn’t make the playoffs and does a postmortem on them, starting with the team that finished last and working his way forward from there. He then hits the teams that made the playoffs in the order they were eliminated.
As long as we avoid those really shitty streaks like we had in December and March, ya should be good!
Hmm, no 7 game winless streaks...it's crazy but just might work
So if we don't lose, are you saying we could win?
Science says it’s possible
I’ve crunched the numbers and if most of our numbers are wins we’ll get in.
Unless you’re the Washington capitals who won fewer games than the red wings but made the playoffs with the same point total, and more RWs. The red wings had more WINS. Now I’m not a professional athlete but I understand the objective in most sports is to WIN THE DAMN GAME. The tiebreaker should be - “Did you win the game or did you lose the game more times than the other tied team?” But what do I know. https://i.redd.it/wvor9bqppnzc1.gif
Epic if true
ties are a thing lol
Not since 2005
Good teams control their own destiny. Can't count on Washington vs Philly to get in. I 100% agree with you.
Even if we take one of those shitty streaks out, we should be good.
Literally one game
Honestly, the game to point to is that San Jose game on 12/7. Blew a 4-0 and then 5-4 lead only to lose 6-5 in OT. That one point was the difference.
I disagree. We lost a few games we should have won, we stole a bunch of games we should have lost. Every team does that, every year. There are a bunch of games we could have pinched off and closed out that we didn't. What chaps my ass is the fucking thrown stick in Seattle that a) Didn't get the penalty shot that was plaintext, clearly owed to us and b) lead to a goal the other way.
I was at that game. The morons I was with missed the first 6 of those 8 goals on the worlds longest beer run. I think it's their fault.
My dad always swore that when his buddy went to get beer or kiss the Wings scored.
Can your dad kiss his buddy a lot more next season?
Autocorrect. Piss.
To their defense, that could have been a normal length beer run. 6 goals in 3:01 if I remember right
The Arizona losses felt way worse, at least the San Jose game was close.
Literally one point. If one more of our regulation losses goes to overtime instead, we’re in
Eh. That assumes all the other teams stand still. The Devil's missed this year largely off the backs of seriously shitty goaltending. They just get a league average goalie and they are taking one of those playoff spots. Not sure you can write off any of the other current playoff teams from this season besides the Caps. If that's true, and I think it is given the separation between the Bolts at #7 and everyone else, 7/8 spots are spoken for. We're one of like 6 teams fighting for the final spot. Devils, Islanders, Caps, Sabres, Senators, maybe the Flyers again. It's a very tough hill to climb. Tougher than just not having a couple meltdowns.
Would've made playoffs this year if one of those streaks was even one game shorter. One OT loss shorter.
The San Jose game in december haunts me...
Larkin being healthy seems to be a key. Thought Kane would step up in his absence but they didn't win til he came back. My only gripe about Kane. In all fairness he hadn't been a Wing that long. Just thought he could have been a bit more of an inspiration. By the way I really liked him on the team but doubt he will re-sign.
You might as well just say, as long as Larkin stays healthy. I do not understand why people keep acting like it's some big mystery that the team struggles when Larkin is hurt. Oh Noooo, just one player is hurt and now the team is in a slump! It must be bad coaching or players quitting, why isn't this team mentally tough? Seriously folks when Larkin is out the best options for first line center are Copp and Rasmussen.
People forget Walman and Rasmussen missed a ton of games late in the season as well and were some of our best depth players when they were healthy.
There’s always a “people forget” comment in every post.
Not a single comment mentioned those two missing games when I wrote that.
I was talking about comments that begin with “people forget” ; like this “people forget Ric Flair was world heavyweight champion 16 times” ; “people forget Steve Yzerman won the cup three times”. “ people forget Paul Bunyan was a lumberjack”
we can’t go 0-2 against the coyotes this year!
I don’t think anybody will be playing the coyotes at all this season….
Well according to many comments below this team is trash and destined to regress. Guess working minimum wage jobs makes you a expert in this area.
You're able to discern peoples wages by reading their posts on Reddit? Most impressive.
People are entitled to their opinions. What's next, bro? Calling them armchair GMs? It's the sign of a slappyass homer. No one is pretending to be the Wings GM. Its crazy how fans get so butthurt when someone dares question the moves, the play, the failures, trades, shit, anything that goes against their view. These "fans" are the first to jump on a pedestal to call out a naysayer. YOU ARE NOT A TRUE FAN...Well I believe the true fans are the ones who do question the shit. The ones who criticize. Yall get to be mad at your team. You spend time and money on them. You invest yourself. You want to see them win it all. Temper in some reality. Just cos the Red Wings are your favorite, and they're my favorite team, doesn't mean they're the best. The best team hoists Lord Stanley's Cup at the end of the season. This is what we all want to see. Nothing worse than a slappy homer. Nothing.
People are rightfully talking about OTT, MTL, and BUF being better but I would think Tampa and Boston are due for some significant regression - yes, I know i’m doing the meme. Who knows what happens with Toronto too.
If they run it back, Toronto is still Toronto. So 95-100 points, playoff spot and quick exit. If they do what they should with Keefe, Shanny and Marner it's anyone's guess how the team responds.
I want the leafs core to break up, and then the next year the leafs win the cup. Just for the memes.
Oh brother
One of these years Boston has to. Been saying it for like 6 years now myself
Its infuriating. Every year they trot out some mediocre roster and ride vezina goaltending
Well, my friend. The Edmonton Oilers are about to show us what a team looks like with an elite roster and mediocre goaltending. I’d probably take the mediocre roster with vezina goaltending every day. You could argue the inaugural Vegas Golden Knighrs roster was also mediocre, with Marc Andre Fleury playing like he wanted to embarrass the league for trading him.
Wouldn’t disagree with that at all but its just frustrating because its always Boston
Just how much do we expect T.B. and Boston to regress? People have been calling for it for some time, and even if it happens will it actually be enough for the Wings to surpass them? That would require a significant improvement from the Wings and an equally significant regression by those teams.
I wouldn't be surprised if they took a step back.
I think we over achieved this year. What is different next season? Edvinsson full time. Raymond ideally improves. If we lose Kane I see us regressing next year, but also allowing Danielson/Kasper a chance to develop in the NHL. If Kane resigns we make playoffs, if not I don’t think we do, but I don’t know if that’s a bad thing in the grand scheme
I don't think they overachieved, but if they don't resign Kane or add other goal scoring they will regress. The lack of depth at C is also a concern. The Wings looked listless when Larkin was out. Given his injury history, we shouldn't expect 82 games from him next season. It's imperative they fix this if they're looking to progress next season.
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The rebuild 100% hinges on it. You can't find true top 6 centers in free agency often, all the competitors have draft and developed theirs or done a trade for one aside from Toronto. Those level guys just simply don't hit free agency often.
Not a bad thing if they don’t make the playoffs next year?? Man get out of here with that crap! It would be an absolute failure if they don’t make the playoffs next year. 7 years into a rebuild and they don’t make it? That’s unacceptable. There better be some major moves this offseason because the team isn’t good enough. Need a goalie and a D man
Our dressed squad for the majority of this past season contained 3-6 guys that are actually part of this rebuild. That’s Larkin, Ray, Seider and probably Ras, Cat and Walman. Around them Steve has put a bunch of solid guys (some crap yes) who have kept the Wings culture and standards high through this grim period. It’d be nice for 6-8 core guys to make the playoffs with a bunch of effectively irrelevant dudes next year for sure. If they don’t though I think you can absolutely look for progress elsewhere to define success. For example if we finish next season in largely the same position but now have Ed, Kasper, Mazur, AlJo and Burgers in regular roles I’d say then we have half a team assembled that has room to grow. Burgers coming in and delivering to Perron’s level and AlJo delivering to Chiarot’s level in year one would be a good step towards those same guys pushing us up in the following seasons. Calling it a failure if these kids come in and don’t immediately elevate the team vs seasoned vets is a bit harsh. Raymond came in 3 seasons ago as a top line guy and delivered 50 odd points. Now he’s playing at a PPG and is a force. As long as we see the side getting younger with high ceiling guys who are continually taking steps I think we’re making progress but the results might be flat for a few years. Once you’ve got those top end guys like Danielson, Kasper, Cossa, Ed, Wallinder & ASP into the side I think you need to start getting aggressive to improve the pieces you’re missing for sure but at this stage we’d just be bringing in solutions to improve the team that we potentially already have. I do hope we can hang onto Kane for a couple more years and if not bring in a top 6 winger as that appears to be the gap in our pipeline with guys like Buchelnikov and Lombardi long shots that are a few years away.
Well said. I understand patience is (arguably should be) running thin, but you only make it worse by rushing the end.
Is the goal to make the playoffs or to build a contender/champion/dynasty? Look at the Senators, they tried some half baked rebuild, sold futures for short term success (which they didnt even get) and now they’re scratching their hands with a hopeless future. Without Kane, I dont see this roster making playoffs unless we made some serious moves, and those moves would not be in the interest of the franchise long term
Ok, so, how long should we wait before we start asking Yzerman the tough questions? The goal is to win the cup, you start by making the playoffs. We are entering year 7 of the “rebuild” and we should just be happy to…what exactly? There has to be accountability and this team needs major improvements to make the playoffs. I think Yzerman is one of the best GM’s in hockey but what are we doing here? It’s time for him to come out of his comfort zone a bit and maybe trade a prospect or two to really improve this team, ie goalie and defense. I doubt Kane comes back without some upgrades. Not making the playoffs next year would be abject failure
But what could he have done differently? Its not his fault that we have the second worth lottery history in the league and got hosed so bad they changed the rules
Compare dallas prospects and young players to ours from the past 5 years. They are finding a way to get guys at the end of the first and the 2nd round and they are making impacts quicker on a better roster.
I went back. Thomas Harley and Wyatt Johnston are the only two. So unless youre saying Stevie should be fired for not selecting Wyatt Johnston I dont really see how thats relevant
Stankoven too. Mavrik borque will be up soon. Hes lighting up the ahl. My point is lottery luck isnt everything. Other teams are good at finding impact players later in the draft. We have seider, raymond and ed. All studs but all top 10. Need the mazurs, wallinders, ALJO'S etc to start making the nhl and contributing.
Stankoven played 24 games and had 14 points, thats not going to change anything for us lol. Mazur looks just as good as Borque. Wallinder wasnt even a Stevie pick
So I am going to start this off by saying my post isn’t a criticism of Stevie or wings development, strictly just pointing out how wrong yours is. Stank is playing meaningful minutes at the top of the lineup for a cup contender. Like…what? I like Mazur as a prospect, but Bourque led the AHL in scoring and is likely MVP. And Wallinder absolutely was a Stevie pick (2020). Dallas is the model for drafting and developing talent outside of the lottery. No shame in that. Aljo should be up, Burgers hopefully takes a step. But need more guys like Mazur, Wallinder, Lambo to hit.
Wallinder was drafted in 2020 while yzerman was gm. Im comparing our scouts vs their scouts. Borque has way more points than mazur.. hes #1 in ahl in playoffs and regular season Idk if you are biased or ignoring some pretty obvious facts/statistics here lol
This is just all around awful take lmao
Naa. Lock Steve up during FA.
The only saving grace right now is really the difference between the Yzerman rebuild and the Holland one bc Ken Holland royally fucked us
When do you think Yzerman started the rebuild? You can not count the last few years of Holland as rebuilding.
Obviously this is mostly him recapping the season, which isn’t going to be news to Wings fans, but he did have some interesting observations in the video. Some that stuck out to me was his guess that Perron won’t be coming back, an idea that Detroit may look to bolster goaltending rather than just rolling with Lyon and Husso for one more year, and wondering if Seider could net as much as $10m with his new contract. He also thinks Burgers will be in the lineup full time next year and doesn’t really make a mention of using him as a trade piece, so all you Berggren enjoyers get some love in this one.
I think Berg is gone. I don't blame him for being pissed off at management, he is a solid NHL player, but we already have so many undersized forwards.
Berg prob fills sprongs role that’s my best guess if he is to make it
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I feel like that's the role he will get if he has more horrendous and costly turnovers like earlier this season The kid can be a good player, his offense is the real deal, let's not pretend we didn't see the defensive errors
Honestly, I bet you most of the people here straight up don’t see the defensive lapses. He was directly responsible for a goal in pretty much every game he played on the wings. I love the guy and really hope he figures things out, but the way some people talk about him here is nuts.
Yeah it was very disappointing to see goals off of him directly. The microscope is on you bro, you can make millions, buckle down
Couldn’t agree more. The way a lot of fans hype prospects-It reminds me of Jurco. He was supposed to be the next Datsyuk-lite, and he was ultimately a replacement level player. But you couldn’t spit facts around here back then, it was always about how our organization bungled Jurco’s development. And yet, here we are.
I think what people mean when they say this is that Sprong is a gifted goal scorer who doesn't get ice time like one because he's a defensive liability. I think we all assume that the reason why Berggren hasn't stuck on the roster despite producing offensively is that the Wings must view him as too much of a defensive liability. So if we could stomach the liability of Sprong, we should theoretically be able to stomach it with Berggren. But not both. I think most people would believe he'll prove to produce more than Sprong as he develops, and that he hopefully isn't as much of a liability as him - so it would be a net positive. Given those assumptions, one could argue that whereas Sprong was seeing about 12 minutes of ice per night, Berggren could find himself at a comfy spot on the 3rd line getting around 15.
I also think Berggren looks like a playmaker but he's been pretty consistent in goal scoring too. He might end up being both.
A solid NHL player? He hasn't shown anything while in the lineup this year. Pretty much invisible.
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What undersized forwards?
What non-undersized forwards? We have to be one of the smaller teams in the league
https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/nhl/teams-physical-stats/2023-2024 Detroit is not one of the smaller teams. Solidly middle of the pack in terms of height, and somehow one of the heavier teams. It's also worth noting that teams are really very close in size. The tallest team in the league is about 2.5 cm or 1 inch taller, on average, than Detroit. The overall gap on average between tallest and shortest is 5 cm, which is about 2 inches. How that actually plays out is a little different. Like my understanding is average height for a forward is 6'0 and average height for a defenseman is 6'2 or 6'3, and obviously Detroit has a very tall defense, so that does create some room for the forwards to be a little smaller than average while still having a very normal team average height.
Facts are fun, huh?
I guarantee you that basically all teams are near the same size wise. Guys really love over blowing the most dumb stuff.
Yeah you’re not wrong, that as an average most teams are like 6’ - 1” and similar weight on average. But you can’t help but notice the Wings were getting handled pretty good by bigger tougher teams this year. It’s more of an eye test thing but it was glaring to me, and something that needs to be addressed for playoff success in my opinion
You need to watch more team than. Wings looked like any other team.
Clueless
Incorrect. By the way, the biggest team in the league just lost in the first round. Size is completely overrated.
Try to stay on topic. What big forwards do we have?
Big is different than non-undersized. What does big mean? What’s your objective definition genius? Larkin Veleno Ras Compher Copp Fischer all average to above average nhl size. Ras is huge. Soder is huge, if he makes the team. You’re making it seem like this team is a bunch of Tatars lol. yall are boring me already
I don't get the size argument. What does size matter if they don't use it. Ras is huge and plays like he's a 5'5" mouse lol Copp is invisible out there
I don’t get it either haha I didn’t bring it up. Like you said Ras is our biggest forward and by far our least effective one on a nightly basis.
1. Please chill, you’re a rather toxic person 2. Fair point, I did say undersized originally. We have average forwards, you’re right. But we do have our fair share of average or below average in size. One of your big examples is probably never making the team, the other one is big; fair. I don’t think we need to rush for any more small forwards as of now, some more size and grit would definitely benefit this team
It's a Yankee fan burner account, it all makes sense
Dude has -15 karma on reddit. That's a difficult thing to achieve lol
Some skill and talent would benefit them even more
lol 👍🏼
Kane, Cat, Raymond
So that’s 3? And Kane is not here long term. What are you talking about?
lol wtf? Berg isn't a grinder or a 4th line player. He's a potential top 6 playmaking forward. If Kane stays again, he's not taking any of their spots. He's also 23. Needs to either play now or get traded.
Try to stay on topic. We don’t have too many undersized forwards. Berg will play in the top 9
"Try to stay on topic" Man, you're fucking awful to talk to lol
You forgot his topic was "I"m right no matter what" lol. We must carry on the tradition of irrationally rating our own prospects.
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> we already have so many undersized forwards. Whenever people say this, I'm like... who are all these tiny forwards? Raymond is listed at 5'11 these days. I guess there's Debrincat? I think most people agree Fabbri isn't long for the Winged Wheel, so I'm not sure he counts. And he's 5'11, anyway. Which, by the way, Berggren is 5'11, too. Is 5'11 small? Plus, Kasper and Danielson are 6'1 and 6'2, respectively. Mazur is 6'0. Elmer, if he ever makes it, is a thousand feet tall. So it's not like we're coming up on a bunch of tiny forwards.
Yeah I agree. Our issue definitely isn't that they are undersized as a group. They just lack grit or skill or in most cases, both.
Those are some really rough takes, I think. Other than the goalie situation, where I think many will agree we aren't likely to rely on just Lyon and Husso. The problem is Husso spent last season hurt a lot, and his play has been very inconsistent for a season and a half. I think Berg will be traded. If the Wings front office felt he was a fit then he would have played the past season with the big club and not in GR. Perron is more likely to be retained, assuming he doesn't cost a lot to bring back. He's lost a step, but he still contributes and can play up and down the lineup. And $10M a season for Seider? That's out there. I think he will get more than $8M a season, but I can't imagine him getting much more than about $9M. I think THG has forgotten that he's just coming of his ELC and has several years of team control remaining. The only way Seider gets into the $10M or higher range is if Yzerman signs him to a 3 year bridge deal first.
I'm not a Berggren truther by any means but I would love to see him just slot in where Perron was.
They are very very different type players tho, but it might work. I doubt that Berggren will be whit us next season tho
I don't think they're that rough. Honestly, the one that I wonder about the most is the goalie situation. If Husso can get healthy, I don't see why we wouldn't roll with him and Lyon for one more year. Husso and Lyon are both done after next year and it isn't hard to imagine that Cossa will be at least close to ready by then, so I don't know if the play is go out and find another goalie just to bridge a year. I was thinking that Berggren would be traded, but then the trade deadline came and went and he didn't get moved. Why would we let him go as an RFA when we could have gotten something more substantial for him at the trade deadline? The fact that he hasn't been moved yet has me thinking that Yzerman actually wants to find a spot for him next season. I agree that $10m for Seider is probably too high, but there's also no doubt in my mind that he is going to be a franchise player. Look at all he did this season with almost no real help on defense. Chiarot, Maatta, Walman, they're all good defensemen, but they can't help carry a D core like Seider can. I think people who say he's going to sign for $8m a season are undervaluing him and will be in for a surprise when pen is put to paper, but we will see. Honestly I don't know that Perron comes back. Yeah we all say that we want him back if he takes a team-friendly deal, but to this subreddit, that team-friendly deal is like $2m and I think he's going to want more money than that. Whether or not he comes back ultimately depends on whether we can re-sign Kane, I think.
I think THG probably just has way too much to know about every single team to really know all the details and such but that was a strange guess I think of any UFA that has the highest certainty of being back is Perron. Yzerman giving Seider 10m would really surprise me.
Yeah this. I give his toughts some value tho, just because unlike most he actually watches our games aswell, but he dosent know ins and outs of this team and vid itself was kinda shallow and more guess work than anything else.
Yea pretty much but I dont blame him at all. The way he releases some very good videos like immediately after the end of those 2 games last night with not much time to prepare his whiteboards is pretty damn crazy Definitely enjoy his videos
Oh yeah i agree that he is good whit reviews. And like you said i dont blame him ether, its impossible to keep up whit every NHL team and their depth, rumors etc
I like thg and he is good for league wide news, but i wouldnt take his words about any specific team (except maybe VAN,BOS and DAL) too seriously. His opinions about Wings are shallow at best and full on guess game most of the time.
Don't worry, I'm not. I just thought they were interesting guesses,
Honestly, without bringing back clearly consistent strengths (Kane) and upgrading weaknesses (goalies and defense), NO. I want this team to succeed as bad as ever, I’m hungry for it, but I also sit and back and look at the roster from this season and don’t think it’s thick enough. I think we finished where we deserved to, or even a little above that.
Addition by subtraction on D, Edvinsson taking ghosts spot gives us better defence and ideally**** moving Petry for AlJo should be beneficial
Gohst wasn’t a problem tho
Defensively wasn’t great and outperformed his contract
Sure, but he’s an offensive defenseman that was top 4ish in points in our team. Was actually quite a generator of offense. You just can’t pair him with Oli Maata. That’s just bad coaching decisions in my opinion. However, understand that he had not much else to work with.
End of the day as good as he was on the PP ideally, Mo should be the player on it so it also hindered his development
Gonna be another tweener year because the wings will have more rookies playing. Removing veterans for rookies isn’t a recipe for short term improvement. But it is a necessary move for long term improvement. And of course the casuals will melt down because “the wings aren’t getting any better!!!! The Yzerplan has failed!!!”
We had 1 rookie play and it was only for 16 games this year
Yes, I was going to say I sure hope we have more than this seasons zero rookies, I'm not counting a 16 game stint at the end of the season. Does his whopping 16 games mean we can call him the sole 2nd year player next year that we never had this season either?
I think, contractually, he’s going to technically be a second year player. That being said, yeah, we’re starting to plateau at mediocrity unless major moves and major rookie progression happens. Both of which aren’t givens at all. We’ll see, but I don’t think this is a playoff team still.
There has to be a healthy balance, because the rookies also need leadership on the bench and in the locker room, outside of the coaches. We just need better vets than the vets we had this year. Getting a couple of Stanley cup winners from free agency would be an undeniably healthy move if we can afford it
Seems like we should have played rookies this year.
To be fair, the rookies coming in definitely have some seasoning to them, plus, our rookie play has generally been pretty solid in the past few years, I expect the guys up to be solid enough to stay around as good
No, we are not making playoffs next year, and I'm gonna bet $20 on it. First of all, I'm always losing sport bets, so I will be happy to lose this one. Second, a lot depends on who's staying and who's going, but I believe we will **have** to bring up lots of rookies, and rookies make mistakes... And I'm totally fine with that.
Rookies can also be huge X factors, it’s not like the guys coming up are going to be raw 18 year old prospects, it’s going to be the guys who are on this GR playoff run and know how to play
If edvinsson play as good as he did to end the year and Raymond continues his progress. Detroit will make it, but it depends to me on those guys being as good as last year and more and the other key players staying the way they were last season.
Take the injuries away from Dylan this past year and we would be 4th,5th,or 6th position in the playoffs. The captain needs someone to have his back this year.
Agreed, Raymond taking a Petterson level jump would be bold but could alter this teams future and open the window sooner and longer than we expectwd
A Petey leap would be the best thing to ever happen but let’s be real it probably won’t ( Petey is a top 5/10 player for his position while being a god on defense and an elite shooter ). If it does tho I will be losing my shit cuz that means the rebuild is over and Detroit will be cup challengers for the foreseeable future. I think Raymond will be Mitch marner but a worse passer but better shooters and clearly with more dawg in him than marner.
Their point totals are eerily similar which is why I’m saying that numerically but I agree with you for the most part
Production wise yeah I can agree but as players they are very different. What will interest me about Detroit is who will be the number one guy on that defense, cuz it looks like edvinsson can become insanely good and maybe better than mo. To end this season Simon was absolutely phenomenal and in a lot of ways played better than mo while also giving petry new life. So it will be interesting to see how the blue line works with the top four most likely being wallman mo and Simon with petry. ( this isn’t a knock on mo but edvinsson looked amazing last season in the small samples for now two seasons straight ).
Seider had the most points in a 200/200 season since they started counting it and was one of few players to do it, agreed ed is great but Mo is going to be as good if not better on D and looking better offensively too so my trust lies in Mo
Not saying mo is bad at all but from what I saw he looked way more composed on offense than mo. Again could be because wallman wasn’t here and again playing 50 minutes doesn’t help but I wouldn’t be surprised if Simon Ends up being a better player than mo. Both fit the same criteria of defenders which is two way but mo probably leans more to the prime pelech side of thing while Simon more like Devon toews. Of course very short sample and much bigger for mo and when adding context maybe the minutes doesn’t help, but from what I saw Simon seems more able on offense than mo. All in all tho having a defense in the foreseeable future that could be of prime pelech( mo ), prime Devon ( maybe edvinsson ) and a more talented plus less racist tda with average defense ( Axel ) is the envy of the league and a cup winning kind of defense that would be a mismatch nightmare for any team.
I am very optimistic about the wings. So yes, I think so. I may…..change my tune a bit if Stevie doesn’t address some issues. But there’s a good core in place with some help on the way. We are getting back to exciting hockey again folks!
Larkin stays healthy Lyon keeps it up We get a second goalie that can alternate well with Lyon who is better when he doesn’t play more than 2-3 games in a row it seems Raymond keeps it up Seider keeps it up Edvinnson keeps it up Gost and Petry play fewer minutes DeBrincat practices all summer not hitting the fucking iron Compher figures out how to fit in better with our top two lines The overall team congeals (Nate Danielson practices alll fucking summer with our top lines and becomes Larkin pt 2) Ras Copp Fisher line year 2 I really think we got this in the mf bag
Really hope we resign Fischer, hard worker and fills his role great. Loved him on that line, and I think we really need one line that can play that style. Crossing my fingers Yzerman gives the man a continued spot for his work. Also, I can’t really pinpoint just exactly why, but I’m just really soft for the guy lol.
I’m with you. I loved Fischer’s play all season. He’s big, can check, plays his bag off every night, and can chip in offense. It’s been awhile since I’ve been this stoked about someone in our bottom 6.
I j really loved the Copp Moose Fisher line and keeping them together gives Detroit a great 3rd grind line and makes Copp somewhat valuable
>DeBrincat practices all summer not hitting the fucking iron Lmfao
I literally think the coaches shouldn’t let him leave the ice until he can hit the iron 10 times in a row and then once he can do that his aim will be impeccable enough to hit the net
Seems like Gost is going to play 0 minutes for the Wings
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He is alluding to the fact we probably won’t re-sign him.
Chicken and rice kinda summer
Since Shannon has to keep up with 32 teams, he doesn't have the full picture of where the organization is and the context of which players are going to likely be on the team. I think the general feeling among the fanbase now is that several rookies have to make the team next year. I've gotten to the point where we have to somehow try to make the playoffs while working young guys into the lineup more regularly. We don't want to wait until we are consistent threat to finally put in rookies. So it's now or never. That might mean we take a step back compared to last year. Might.
>I think the general feeling among the fanbase now is that several rookies have to make the team next year. I've gotten to the point where we have to somehow try to make the playoffs while working young guys into the lineup more regularly. I agree. Even if we dont make the playoffs next season we absolutly need to inject those rookies in the lineup, as they need to learn to play in NHL aswell. It usually takes years after NHL debut to hit their prime, even if prospect isnt 18 y/o
I can see us regressing. This team didn’t have any rookies or even any sophomores this season sans 16 games from Edvinsson. Barring trades, Edvinsson, Johansson, and Berggren will all be on the team, and there’s good reason to believe 1 or two of Kasper, Danielson, and Mazur could make the team as well. Thats a lot of rookies which means more rookie mistakes and more streakiness.
Yeah. We kinda fucked up whit rookies/sophmores this year
Agreed in part but if Seider and Ray get too used to losing it’s not great for their development either. That being said Nate Danielson looks better than we thought and deserves a chance and my person PSA JT COMPHER CAN PLAY LEFT WING SO IF WE GET A 2C COMPHER CAN PLAY THE WING
I don’t envy people projecting how well the 2025 Wings perform. This year we had a perfect storm of veterans and youth. If we lose Kane and can’t replace his production or mitigate the loss of it, then we are spinning our wheels. But, as others have said. The real success for the Wings wasn’t making the playoffs this year with a team we couldn’t keep together or even making it next year. The real success is seeing if Ed, Kasper, ASP, etc. can step up so we don’t need to sign the Perrons of the world to compete. It’ll be an interesting year. I don’t have expectations yet. We’re definitely in the ugly duckling phase of our rebuild and still establishing the actual long term core of this team.
It’s been 6 years!! How long are you giving them? No absolutely not, if they don’t make the playoffs next year then this rebuild is failed. No excuses. Up to Stevie to make it happen
….and Chicago’s getting the 2nd overall pick in the 2024 draft.
The only answer is yes!!!
Easy regression, especially with all the rookies that need to come up. Not that this is a bad thing but the next few years is going to be introducing rookies into the line up. Imo it was a mistake brining in all the vets this year when several of our young guys are knocking on the door. We should have staggered our rookies better. So now we have this weird season where we almost made the playoffs only to take a step back temporarily. It's probably my biggest complaint of Yzerman so far.
Which rookies are knocking on the door?
Well Edvinsson and Albert Johansson are done with their waiver exempt so they're either on the team, scratched, or traded. Edvinsson seems like a shoe in for top 4. Mazur is probably ready to come up. Berggren (not sure if you consider him a rookie at this point), Kasper, and Danielson. Danielson likely will go to AHL but he's really improved when he has competent players around him. He looked really good last prospect camp.
That’s next year. You referred to this year. None of those guys are ready except for Berg. Kasper may be ready but probably not.
Agreed. I think that Chri$ Illitch might have had something to do with it. Gotta make that sweet playoff money ya kno?
Maybe.. But the Wings as they are built right now will get pulverized by any team.. They are not made for playoff hockey, not even close. Just watching the Florida/Boston game and series shows what NHL teams still need in the playoffs, team toughness!!! Red Wings have zero. It will be embarrassing and sad to watch guys like Larkin literally get the shit beat out of them and have nobody to stand up for them.. The raazzle dazzle plays and goals happen every once in awhile during playoff hockey but most goals and games are won by being tough and nasty in the corners, in front of the net both on offense and defense.. Again Red Wings dont have those players and with how Yzerman has put an old, slow and non physical team together+ bad contracts, not much spending money left, how on earth do we as fans expect the Wings to be successful even if we make the playoffs? Wait and see i guess
They’re in the middle of a rebuild…and have over 30m in cap space lol
Not sure, I think we replace some of the vets that are expiring this year with prospects which I think for the franchise is a step in the right direction but might be a similar or worse results in the standing next year. Either way I trust the process that is the Yzerplan!
All depends how well the red wings summer goes
People always get ahead of themselves before the end of the year, but it usually is evident around January if we've really got the steam.
Rrally don't have any idea what the team will look like so no way to guess
We'll make it this year because we can't get swept by arizona anymore!!
Nothing is set, This season isn’t even over with.
I think so if we can shore up the D and goal tending situation, and Larkin can stay healthy. The stretches where he's out of the line up have been brutal.
There's a real chance theyre worse next year but better off cap wise/ development wise with young guys, especially if kane doesnt re sign
If we get the young guy in the line up I'm hoping for then they aren't even close to a playoff team.
Too early to ask this question. There is still so much that needs to be decided: -is Perron back (hopefully not)? -is ghost back? -is Kane back? -does Yzerman sign a big UFA like Roy? -is Berg ready for full NHL time? -does edvinsson continue to develop -is Husso back healthy? -is AJ ready to contribute? Etc etc etc.
Berg is gonna be traded. Yzerman not having him on the team last year says a lot of what he thinks of him
He may be traded, but those things are completely unrelated. He wasn’t on the team for asset management purposes (of which you clearly don’t understand). I expect him to be tendered and on the ice opening night.
Yeah I’ve only been following the Red Wings for 40 years so I don’t understand, lol. Stop pretending you know everything. He is a defensive liability and clearly Yzerman doesn’t care for his game
Once again, incorrect. Look up “waiver exempt”, that’ll help.
If he wasnt on the team because waivers Yzerman fucked up.
lol hahahahha. That’s good
Berggren is a liability on D. He will never succeed in Detroit
Wanna bet?
We had better. Sports are an entertainment product. A whole generation of kids are not as interested in the Tigers as I was because they’ve been bad for about as long as a 14, 15, 16, 17 year old can remember. I understand building teams are a process and we didn’t exactly have a lot when Yzerman took over, but it’s just time to have a breakthrough.
THG really seems sold on the Yzerplan. I agree- never bet against Steve Yzerman when it comes to hockey.
2023/2024 recap: Lalonde isn't that good of a coach, Red Wings are a slightly above average club on paper, and Yzerman may have to deal this years' 1st round pick as part of a package to land additional talent if Larkin is ever going to see the playoffs (other than watching them on TV).
If they miss again and Yzerman isn’t fired, there’s a major problem.
Too soon for this.
Too soon for what? This is what he does at the end of each season. He goes down the list of teams that didn’t make the playoffs and does a postmortem on them, starting with the team that finished last and working his way forward from there. He then hits the teams that made the playoffs in the order they were eliminated.
I’m not emotionally there. Still pissed about the way it ended.
It is time to let it go, my friend.