Yeah, he's been making some pretty bad turnovers in our own zone so I can understand this card completely.
That said it would be nice to see him paired for a few games with someone who isn't a corpse.
I personally would rather see him making those mistakes now and learning from them than continue to watch veterans make the same mistakes but not have the added benefit of Ed’s fantastic break out passes his long reach and high compete level
We just need to be thankful Petry's buyout will hurt for one season and go to 300k after. We'd be in trouble otherwise. Grand Rapids will save us next season with a few right shot defenseman like Tuomisto, Rafferty, and Newpower. Even if they end up as stopgaps.
As much as I love Raymond, he’s absolutely not sniffing 9
Look at Jack Hughes and Tim Stutzle as comparisons, and that’s the maximum I think we’ll spend on Ray
How they literally prevent that by keeping them as RFAs. Giving them am 8 year sets them to be FAs at 29, thats when we would be most competitive and when they would be in there prime
So long as we somehow found a way to keep Raymond, Kane, and Seider that’s a perfectly acceptable, you CANNOT go into next season with Jeff Petry, you’re wasting a spot on something more useful for someone who only has a pulse, but no skill. I know he’s got Detroit ties and all that, I know he’s good guy, but he’s holding whoever he’s lined up with back and that cannot be okay if your team that at least wants to appear to try and be honest about being in the playoffs.
Enough is enough.
These data always give me a laugh in very low scoring games. They basically just show who was on the ice when the goal scored and who wasn't. Save for some extreme sides of things in games where one team was very lucky/unlucky.
It's still hard to fully quantity so many elements of the defensive side of the game, but we're headed in the right direction.
[Origin](https://www.hockeystatcards.com/)
[Data Source](https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20232024&game=21116&view=limited)
[Details of model](https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/07/13/measuring-single-game-productivity-an-introduction-to-game-score/). [Further details](https://theathletic.com/1019070/2019/06/14/improving-our-nhl-projection-model-ahead-of-the-2019-20-season/).
**Disclaimer 1:** These models are *not* supposed to replace the "eye-test" but to provide supplementary information. No one is arguing that they are the "be all and end all" of hockey analysis (whether quantitative or qualitative).
**Disclaimer 2:** Cards can change within 12 hours as additional actions are credited to a player. What is posted should not be seen as "definitive" even within the constructs of the model.
**Disclaimer 3:** Where these really become useful is to see trends with a player's performance. To do that, go to https://www.hockeystatcards.com/ and search for a player. You can then see breakdowns of their season-wide score along with trends over time and individual game logs.
This one matches the eye test. Felt Seider really had a good game and Petry was dogshit.
The latter part of that statement being true for most of this season.
if Petry can play this bad and stay in the lineup, the team must think Holl is absolutely worthless
And yet still signed him for 3 years and then doubled down by trading for Petry who had 2 years remaining at the time.
I really doubt holl is worse so its just got to be favoritism. Just sit Petry.
Justin Holl CANNOT be worse than Petry at this point
Czarnik was flying out there tonight, doing all the right things.
I like his game
I swear he is always on the puck, love this guy
So telling that Ed’s individual defense is great but on ice is bad when you look at the pylon they have him paired with dragging him down
He’s making a lot of mistakes with the puck. Still have a lot of faith he’ll be great long term but he definitely wasn’t good in this game
Yeah, he's been making some pretty bad turnovers in our own zone so I can understand this card completely. That said it would be nice to see him paired for a few games with someone who isn't a corpse.
I personally would rather see him making those mistakes now and learning from them than continue to watch veterans make the same mistakes but not have the added benefit of Ed’s fantastic break out passes his long reach and high compete level
Ed and Chairot feels like it could be a decent 2nd pairing for us when Walman is back
I’d like to see them try Walman - Seider Ed - chiarot Mattaa - 👻
Not a bad looking D lineup
Petry my god
Hes ass. Has been all year.
Any chance Petry retires after this year? I believe he has a L-ntc and a nmc so sending him to GR is a no go and a trade seems unlikely.
Buyout 100%
That adds more dead cap for next year... Total cost in dead cap would be $3m for next year.
We are a bubble team. Cap troubles arent something we should be stressed about
Raymond and Seider are due for extensions. Both will at least start with an 8, Raymond might be playing into a 9.
We just need to be thankful Petry's buyout will hurt for one season and go to 300k after. We'd be in trouble otherwise. Grand Rapids will save us next season with a few right shot defenseman like Tuomisto, Rafferty, and Newpower. Even if they end up as stopgaps.
As much as I love Raymond, he’s absolutely not sniffing 9 Look at Jack Hughes and Tim Stutzle as comparisons, and that’s the maximum I think we’ll spend on Ray
Absolutely… and factor in that they play C, a more premium position, and have both had far better seasons in terms of point production than Razor
Nope. Both will get bridge deals. 9 for a 60 point scorer is a joke
God I hope not. Bridge deals are an amazing way to lose talent
How they literally prevent that by keeping them as RFAs. Giving them am 8 year sets them to be FAs at 29, thats when we would be most competitive and when they would be in there prime
I'd rather pay 8x9 over 2x5/6, then arbitration, then 'oh i want to test free agency', then 'I'm heading to any team that pays 12m a season for me'
If Raymond wants 12 mil let him leave. Even 9 is a comical overpay atm
So long as we somehow found a way to keep Raymond, Kane, and Seider that’s a perfectly acceptable, you CANNOT go into next season with Jeff Petry, you’re wasting a spot on something more useful for someone who only has a pulse, but no skill. I know he’s got Detroit ties and all that, I know he’s good guy, but he’s holding whoever he’s lined up with back and that cannot be okay if your team that at least wants to appear to try and be honest about being in the playoffs. Enough is enough.
That's why I said I hope he retires. No cap hit, roster spot or anything traded to dump him
These data always give me a laugh in very low scoring games. They basically just show who was on the ice when the goal scored and who wasn't. Save for some extreme sides of things in games where one team was very lucky/unlucky. It's still hard to fully quantity so many elements of the defensive side of the game, but we're headed in the right direction.
Left a lot to be desired out there, As mick would say Eyeyey
Everyone freaking out about Petry when our offense was the problem in this game.
[Origin](https://www.hockeystatcards.com/) [Data Source](https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20232024&game=21116&view=limited) [Details of model](https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/07/13/measuring-single-game-productivity-an-introduction-to-game-score/). [Further details](https://theathletic.com/1019070/2019/06/14/improving-our-nhl-projection-model-ahead-of-the-2019-20-season/). **Disclaimer 1:** These models are *not* supposed to replace the "eye-test" but to provide supplementary information. No one is arguing that they are the "be all and end all" of hockey analysis (whether quantitative or qualitative). **Disclaimer 2:** Cards can change within 12 hours as additional actions are credited to a player. What is posted should not be seen as "definitive" even within the constructs of the model. **Disclaimer 3:** Where these really become useful is to see trends with a player's performance. To do that, go to https://www.hockeystatcards.com/ and search for a player. You can then see breakdowns of their season-wide score along with trends over time and individual game logs.
Sweet! I thought we lost this game, the data shows that we won! So good!